IMMOLATION INITIATIVE - A PERFECT Flamers of Tzeentch Strategy - Total War Warhammer 3

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milkandcookiesTW

milkandcookiesTW

Жыл бұрын

The Immolation Initiative is in full swing as this PERFECT Flamers of Tzeentch strategy is brought into practice against the Dwarfs in a Domination battle on Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires.
Flamers of Tzeentch vs. Dwarfs - Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires

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@mcsqueeb187
@mcsqueeb187 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the PSA at the end Indy, as a very average player who occasionally sticks his toe into mp I know the feeling of hopelessness when you run into a much better player or a build you don't have a counter for D:
@GabaGhoul0
@GabaGhoul0 Жыл бұрын
I've definitely played him before! a good reminder that if an experienced player can make blunders there's no need to be too hard on ourselves and others
@mylesdrake2949
@mylesdrake2949 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I remember this one team game I was in I mistakenly thought the enemy ally was deployed next to their ally in the woods and moved up most of my army leaving minimal protection for my backline and it turns out the enemy had vanguarded behind me and my ally and we got sandwiched between the armies and got faced rolled. I've also done similar tactics of bait and switch myself. Honestly it's just like the saying goes, you win some and you lose some. The important thing is did you have fun? Honestly if I was the dwarf even losing that would of been an enjoyable game. No cheese, just good tactics.
@M21Legendz
@M21Legendz Жыл бұрын
That Tzeentch build was quite unique. Might see one or two flamers but seeing them as a centre piece unit for that army was unusal but yet highly effecitve. Somewhat like the mornghoul army you had yourself Indy.
@AwesomeJedi182
@AwesomeJedi182 Жыл бұрын
"Sir, we have dwarves who are resistant to magic attacking us" Tzeentch in his infinite wisdom : *Magic and Magic fire it is*
@majorfallacy5926
@majorfallacy5926 Жыл бұрын
I mean, they aren't resistant to magic anymore. Which is stupid, but CA didn't want dwarves to outshine the new demonic factions.
@ToLazy4Name
@ToLazy4Name Жыл бұрын
hello mister youtubeman I didn't watch the video but I just thought I'd stop by and tell you that I hope you have a nice day :)
@milkandcookiesTW
@milkandcookiesTW Жыл бұрын
you as well sweet prince
@fiveforbiting
@fiveforbiting Жыл бұрын
KZfaqman isn't an inclusive term. We would prefer Visual Tubing Application Professional.
@supremeleaderwazzy9364
@supremeleaderwazzy9364 Жыл бұрын
@@fiveforbiting go touch grass
@saff1kill
@saff1kill Жыл бұрын
@@supremeleaderwazzy9364 Jan hasn’t heard of a joke 😿
@callumcochrane7759
@callumcochrane7759 Жыл бұрын
​@@supremeleaderwazzy9364 thats not very inclusive, what if FiveforBiting is allergic to grass or has mobility issues.
@mariojorge68
@mariojorge68 Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing Turin talk about this tac a few months ago, it's pretty cool to see it being more popular! Flamers are a very interesting unit and it's always cool to see them take the field.
@Eliphas_
@Eliphas_ Жыл бұрын
That must be the *HEAVY FLAMER* Hans was meant to bring
@jedimasterdraco6950
@jedimasterdraco6950 Жыл бұрын
I hope not considering the heavy flamer is supposed to be used against heresy, not by it.
@Dipietroa
@Dipietroa Жыл бұрын
Indy, I just want to say that I appreciate the level of thought that goes into each and every one of your videos. IMO, you're the most coherent and entertaining TW youtuber, keep up the good work!
@milkandcookiesTW
@milkandcookiesTW Жыл бұрын
thank you Andrew much appreciated!
@mcsqueeb187
@mcsqueeb187 Жыл бұрын
The value gap isn't that surprising, all the tzeench units were high value and a lot of them took some barrier damage but no heath damage, then were able to regen the barrier. You don't see that so often because usually units either get committed until they die or they get chunked down to half health or something so they get less barrier back.
@SymphonyEternally
@SymphonyEternally Жыл бұрын
Thiiiiiis is the kinda army I almost always play as Tzeentch! I cant help it, I just LOVE the flamers so much, the bursts of color are gorgeous and absolutely MELT enemies. You'll never see me without a minimum of 2-3 in my armies.
@artje90
@artje90 Жыл бұрын
flamer def top 5 unit in the game 4 sure
@toxlequa
@toxlequa Жыл бұрын
Nice to see flamers working.
@OneWhoBonks
@OneWhoBonks Жыл бұрын
almost seemed like the dwarf player was expecting a mortal build from tzeentch with all the great weapon infantry he brought against them
@12SickOne34
@12SickOne34 Жыл бұрын
Where were the Gyrocopters when the gun line fell? Where were the Gyrocopters when they ran over the artillery? Where were the Gyrocopters...?
@milkandcookiesTW
@milkandcookiesTW Жыл бұрын
yeah so I haven't watched too much Dwarfs vs. Furies games when Gyrocopters were used. Any idea what the competitive consensus on Gyros is when faced with Furies? Are the Brimstones or the Steam guns more popular? (I imagine Steam are more popular vs. Skaven and Beastmen and low armor chaff factions, while Brimstone more popular vs. Chaos and hard armored targets). I do know that Gyros are an important tool for Dwarfs right now, especially in Dom. I just dont know how people feel about them as a core, or keeping them alive when 4+ Furies are bearing down on them
@LurchTheBastard
@LurchTheBastard Жыл бұрын
I feel like bringing gyrocopters into a fight vs a faction known for a LOT of ranged play and decent fliers isn't going to be high on many people's priority list.
@luhs6839
@luhs6839 Жыл бұрын
@@LurchTheBastard It can work if you keep the gyros close to slayers and land them to bait furies to the ground once they target your gyros. But probably more micro than its worth, given how much more cost effective furies are in that kind of exchange.
@thepiousskeleton6046
@thepiousskeleton6046 Жыл бұрын
@@milkandcookiesTW Gyros into Tzeentch is a terrible idea due to Screamers even more than Furies but both units can deal with them relatively easily.
@Aedrion-
@Aedrion- Жыл бұрын
No, my Lord nEvergreen .Terence... we are alone.
@alexsitaras6508
@alexsitaras6508 Жыл бұрын
God damn I love the smell of change in the morning....
@Aedrion-
@Aedrion- Жыл бұрын
*Sniffs coins* "Hmmmn... Ahhhh!"
@bornotb-hj6dc
@bornotb-hj6dc Жыл бұрын
nice to see a domination game
@mylesdrake2949
@mylesdrake2949 Жыл бұрын
That was a crazy game. I've never seen Tzeetch do such and off the wall build like that with what's considered "weak" units. Kudos to the Dwarf for trying to fight back against the insane early pressure. There are very few players who wouldn't buckle eventually from that pressure.
@theduketw
@theduketw Жыл бұрын
I suspect the reason the value didnt reflect what was seen is that barrier counts to that in game counter (doesnt on unit cards) Nice to see the comment on treating players well when they lose, it's something that could stand to be said more often by more voices. Every glorious victory requires a defeat
@rhymenoceros3303
@rhymenoceros3303 Жыл бұрын
*JUST AS PLANNED*
@nytecrow6452
@nytecrow6452 Жыл бұрын
I have always loved Flamers. Even Skaven Flamers feel so great when they deal their dmg
@olpossum5186
@olpossum5186 Жыл бұрын
i'm new to multi player, just focus on dom, and played against ghouls the other night. i know what it's like.
@Type_3_Screamer
@Type_3_Screamer Жыл бұрын
That was honestly disgusting 😂, veteran or newbie that amount of pressure is brutal
@vincent78433
@vincent78433 Жыл бұрын
that was spectaculair love seeing flamers in action
@pdthepowerdragon5412
@pdthepowerdragon5412 Жыл бұрын
I came for the fireworks, I stayed for the analysis.
@RebelCannonClub74
@RebelCannonClub74 Жыл бұрын
I feel embarrassed for finally realizing Flamers of Tzeench represent the Fire of Knowledge... and that lords of Change represent the raptors that punish Prometheus
@user-gk2pp8dq9p
@user-gk2pp8dq9p Жыл бұрын
what? THIS is why Tzeentch has so many fucking birds?
@13Lictor
@13Lictor Жыл бұрын
Huh, I always assumed the bird aspect was associated with fate. You know, how looking at birds often would mean omens
@Gabriel-px8cv
@Gabriel-px8cv Жыл бұрын
@@13Lictor might be both
@pianospeedrun
@pianospeedrun 8 ай бұрын
Waaaaaa
@tictactic7909
@tictactic7909 Жыл бұрын
This was an extremely entertaining video. Just got back into playing Warhammer 3 after a break. I decided to start back up with a play-through with the first ever race I ever used(High Elves). One thing about Warhammer 3 that is super entertaining is when you can get those high damaged range troops on a killing spree(flamers here, sisters of avelorn for HE)
@panzerspahwagen527
@panzerspahwagen527 Жыл бұрын
the man literally doomstacked a pvp match
@callumwarwar
@callumwarwar Жыл бұрын
Wow at 1:30 that Exalted Flamer absolutely melted some Thunderers. I will have to try Tzeentch some day.
@supak15
@supak15 Жыл бұрын
I love the smell of warp flame in the morning.
@eomat
@eomat Жыл бұрын
Wow that was insane.
@BBNBLu3Smurf
@BBNBLu3Smurf Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure I played a newbie that was nurgle. I was the Vampire counts and I whooped that butt however he did stick around and eventually won!!! It takes time but was cool to see because that was me at one point💯
@Casualfield
@Casualfield Жыл бұрын
Flamers have 1.4 Vegetation Ignore Time so putting them in/behind forests is pretty big brain.
@sushanalone
@sushanalone Жыл бұрын
6:16 Crazy Mohawk UMGI you say? THATS A GRUDGING.
@micahmccomb7155
@micahmccomb7155 Жыл бұрын
No one: 40k tabletop in late 2022:
@1YCARADOFACAO
@1YCARADOFACAO Жыл бұрын
About the being respectful part, one other thing to add. Who would've EVER guessed that sort of build from Tzeench? Who could have prepared for that sort of situation, we alll know dwarves aren't known for their mobility so it's hard to answer a bad situation when it ends up happening.
@mikavituhandle
@mikavituhandle 11 ай бұрын
I do wonder if the Dwarfs found pot of gold at the end of this raindow.
@arthurdaffos1490
@arthurdaffos1490 Жыл бұрын
Dwarf player: Gabagool! Over heeeeere!
@blinkyrem
@blinkyrem Жыл бұрын
Irondrakes (Trollhammer Torpedoes) looks like a hard counter to Tzeentch with fire & magic resist and high single entity damage
@blinkyrem
@blinkyrem Жыл бұрын
It's not so simple as this! In WH2 maybe, but Irondrakes have Spell resist not magic resist in WH3. Also I suspect that the Flamers have resistance to the Irondrake attacks too, which I forgot exploded. The Irondrakes win, but definitely not a hard counter.
@50ULL355
@50ULL355 Жыл бұрын
Get the heavy flamer! Wait........
@AkhshamiKsyAksKhaos
@AkhshamiKsyAksKhaos 11 ай бұрын
Burning...if only my kins warp flame merely...burned...😈...
@jamesruskin992
@jamesruskin992 Жыл бұрын
This was an example of two different skill levels for sure. The dwarfs definitely responded slowly, but the moves they made were the correct ones just sadly too late to change the outcome. Total war 3 is definitely a steep learning curve, especially when fighting Tzeentch, even more so against an experienced Tzeentch player. So they should not feel bad about losing, if anything it’s taught them a valuable lesson that they won’t likely forget soon.
@editedcactus43
@editedcactus43 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't Rome, or Rome Remastered, be Total War 3?
@campber9908
@campber9908 Жыл бұрын
They really need to replace Golden Hounds with Final Transmutation on the Lord of Change RoR. The Slannesh and Nurgle ones get rare spells so it makes no sense the Golden Bird didn’t get one.
@carolusrex4469
@carolusrex4469 Жыл бұрын
The LoC RoR also has +60 armor to represent a constant glittering robes.
@Binaeroooo77
@Binaeroooo77 Жыл бұрын
love watching some stunties gettin cooked
@arn1345
@arn1345 Жыл бұрын
G R U D G E R U D G E
@holysaintknight343
@holysaintknight343 Жыл бұрын
GG
@papacrisp207
@papacrisp207 Жыл бұрын
I want to buy this game. I have the first one and second one but not sure I want to spend the 60 dollars for it? Is it worth it to buy right now? Does anyone know when it might go on sale again?
@joshramirez2049
@joshramirez2049 Жыл бұрын
Probably over the summer
@Aedrion-
@Aedrion- Жыл бұрын
The Book of Grudges doesn't have enough pages for this.
@prof.dr.4277
@prof.dr.4277 Жыл бұрын
Please CA.. Give the dwarves some units in the upcoming dlc to not get bogged down like that.. Some miners on goats, some rune golems.. Give us dawi enthusiast something that makes them a little more flexible. Just a tiny bit
@greyslenderman7614
@greyslenderman7614 Жыл бұрын
7days since his last video:0
@joshmilner4864
@joshmilner4864 Жыл бұрын
Trogdor!!!!!
@charlesman8722
@charlesman8722 Жыл бұрын
Tzeench violating the Genova convention since time immemorial.
@artje90
@artje90 Жыл бұрын
well the dawi were played lore accurate. failing to adapt to the times needed :P
@seranonable
@seranonable Жыл бұрын
Indy.. this is unrelated, but in ranked I keep encountering chaos dwarf players that seem to just get free unlimited range cannon shots like from campaign that will wipe out entire formations at a time. is this a known exploit? is CA planning on fixing it that you know of? it's ruining ranked.
@worstprofessor895
@worstprofessor895 Жыл бұрын
Known exploit. The Warhost of Zharr, Zhatan the Black's faction, gets a campaign ability in multiplayer that it is not meant to have. If you see a Chaos Dwarf player with a blue shield for their faction, you might want to dodge.
@seranonable
@seranonable Жыл бұрын
@@worstprofessor895 Thanks man. I appreciate it.
@milkandcookiesTW
@milkandcookiesTW Жыл бұрын
yep Guns of Zharr ability from the blue subfaction, should be fixed in the next update
@seranonable
@seranonable Жыл бұрын
@@milkandcookiesTW Thanks Indy
@meechie101
@meechie101 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense flamers go thru trees cmon now
@meechie101
@meechie101 Жыл бұрын
I will say dwarf gunline was the one counter to the flying circus of tzeentch in table top fantasy due to the anvil crippling d3 units flying abilty each turn and do dmg. Interesting how the matchup has changed in real time with bigger maps
@defrte
@defrte Жыл бұрын
did the dwarf player go afk?
@stilloading5652
@stilloading5652 Жыл бұрын
The golden hounds would be way better as a summon
@Sleexb
@Sleexb Жыл бұрын
Flamers need buffs honestly they are just not good in most circumstances.
@Sleexb
@Sleexb Жыл бұрын
Their flame puffs have surprisingly small hitboxes. Unless the sightline lines up in a favorable way, most of their flame shots will fly past or over their target. You see this a bit even in this game, around 9:00. Despite the amount of flamers shooting, surprisingly little damage being done.
@acannon2700
@acannon2700 Жыл бұрын
​@@Sleexbit's true. They can however shoot right over blue horrors, without friendly fire at all😊
@misterphoenyxx5159
@misterphoenyxx5159 Жыл бұрын
Clearly they have fixed flamers, because they were underwhelming at launch. O_O
@danielrullmann5131
@danielrullmann5131 Жыл бұрын
the flamers just barely paid for themselves and this was probably the best flamer game since TWW3's launch. a shame but the vid was very enjoying thx a lot
@meowmeow9326
@meowmeow9326 Жыл бұрын
one thing about "paying for themselves" to pay attention to, is if the unit survived or not. all of these flamers still had a LOT of spunk (if not all) left, meaning they ran out of enemies to fill in more "value" - keep in mind they could also replenish their ammo. the most important thing about the gold value a unit got on the field is if they routed / were killed off or not. if not, it only means something if they got a massive gold value. if they survived and healthy but didnt fill in their gold value, one can chalk it up to the battle not lasting long enough for them, they chose cheap targets, or the unit doesnt do a lot of damage. moreso its more important to pay attention to how the unit played out on the battlefield. did it do its job? did it survive and with how much hp? was it effective in battle? what were its expectations and goals on the battlefield and did it reach them or exceed them?
@milkandcookiesTW
@milkandcookiesTW Жыл бұрын
glad you enjoyed it! and yeah damage value is a useful stat but doesn't always tell the whole story. sometimes it gives the wrong impression. very possible to get huge value on a unit and it still not have done its job or contributed in the way it should have to win, and vice versa
@OmegaSupremeWCheese
@OmegaSupremeWCheese Жыл бұрын
Get ze flammenwerfer
@SilentSpringz
@SilentSpringz Жыл бұрын
I kinda want to play multiplayer but man i just suck hard in this game even after years of playing. Its fun but i dont wanna deal with try hards steam rolling me. XD. But i play modded to so yea no dice. Also hard to find a player for co-op campaign with SFO. That wont cheese fights that take like 20+ min just boring to watch. I play also same time each day etc etc. I like sharing units so both keep playing in our turns. Im fully yolly co-op.
@dominicmanester8125
@dominicmanester8125 Жыл бұрын
Just as planned.
@dratesdragetes777
@dratesdragetes777 Жыл бұрын
Nice plays by tz but man some of those flamer volleys straight up missed, not the players fault but it is kinda sad to see.
@yamatoko219
@yamatoko219 Жыл бұрын
Huh, dwarves being great when they are playing to their strengths but having a bad time when confronted with change and suprise? Jee, never saw that coming at all, it's not like this has bothered them for thousands of years.
@smilingbear7430
@smilingbear7430 Жыл бұрын
First!
@joahbramhall3781
@joahbramhall3781 Жыл бұрын
That was disgusting from tzeentch. Why did they even submit the replay? Clout for glorified seal clubbing?
@eikoslamiad
@eikoslamiad Жыл бұрын
Domination ugh. Skip.
@user-ib2sv5cz2g
@user-ib2sv5cz2g Жыл бұрын
Well.... your PSA at the end is pretty much the explanation... it looked like he just sat there for the first opening minutes. A single whole army redeployment across the far low level point negates the flamers entirely. Flamers still poop and would of got dunked on if he just simply got away from the trees. So I just think the title of the video is a little misleading, majority of players would style all over that flamers build.
@GabaGhoul0
@GabaGhoul0 Жыл бұрын
heheh come give it a shot 😈
@user-ib2sv5cz2g
@user-ib2sv5cz2g Жыл бұрын
You really trying to dick wag this fight lol? Sure, you bring that build on that map and watch me handle you. Give me a time and a room name.
@ProbablyFat
@ProbablyFat Жыл бұрын
Seems like more of a taking advantage of an exploit using the trees then actual skill lol...
@callumcochrane7759
@callumcochrane7759 Жыл бұрын
Its not much different than putting archers behind a treeline where they ignore the vegetation while taking reduced damage back. Dawi dude just needed to reposition to objective 3 and bait the flamers out of their cover
@nerath639
@nerath639 Жыл бұрын
Exploit, whaa ? its an intended feature since wh2 in order to make trees useful. People who ignore this tactical piiece are just bad
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