In 1945, why did Britain and France nearly go to war?

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Doug A James

Doug A James

Күн бұрын

In 1945, British tanks rolled into Syria knowing that, if they encountered French troops that refused to back down, they would have to fight their former ally. But why? How had relations between these two countries collapsed to this point, and why was this all happening in Syria in the first place?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:28 The Channel's Future
0:48 Prelude
4:10 The Allied Invasion
7:18 Lebanese Crisis
11:49 Building Tensions (again)
18:32 The Crisis
22:07 The Aftermath
26:20 Conclusion
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Stay The Course by Kevin MacLeod
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Sources:
Barr, James, A Line in the Sand, (London: Simon and Schuster UK, 2012)
Bell, P. M. H., France and Britain 1940-1994: The Long Separation, (London: Longman, 1997)
Cohen, Michael J., Churchill and the Jews, 2nd edn (London: Frank Cass Publishers, 2003)
Gaunson, A.B., The Anglo-French Clash in Lebanon and Syria, 1940-45, (Basingstoke: Macmillan, 1987)
Seeley, J. R., The Expansion of England, 2nd ed., (London: Macmillan and Co., 1909)
Thomas, Martin, The French empire at war, 1940-45, (Manchester: Manchester University Press, 1998)
Thomas, Martin, ‘France and its colonial civil wars, 1940-1945’ in The Cambridge History of the Second World War: Volume II Politics and Ideology ed. By Richard J. B. Bosworth, Joseph A. Maiolo, (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2015)
Woodhouse, C.M., Britain and the Middle East, (Genève: E. Droz, 1959)

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@dougajames
@dougajames Ай бұрын
Do check out the public script in the description for a fully referenced document that includes a couple of extra fun bits of information I couldn't fit in the video!
@nemilyk
@nemilyk Ай бұрын
As with the end of WWI, nothing quite caps off the most devastating conflict of the age like "Hey, how about a little more war?"
@odoaceroftheneoromanempire7178
@odoaceroftheneoromanempire7178 Ай бұрын
Reality is Sardonic. Best sense of humor there is. I am dying laughing at this video for example. I had no idea this was happening at the time. France and England wanting more... With each other. Great stuff.
@dillonhunt1720
@dillonhunt1720 Ай бұрын
Meanwhile: Soviet Union is persecuting countless Eastern European peoples and fighting insurgent conflicts that will last for years in Ukraine and the Baltics Yeah the UN can really pat themselves on the back for being a force for peace during this time smh
@blitzy3244
@blitzy3244 Ай бұрын
Because the British started both ones
@pincermovement72
@pincermovement72 Ай бұрын
WW2 after France’s great showing in WW1 was an embarrassment to a proud nation, they had to have someone to blame and naturally we will never be forgiven being their oldest adversaries, as shown recently with the D Day celebrations where our flag was omitted.
@bob_the_bomb4508
@bob_the_bomb4508 Ай бұрын
@@blitzy3244yes because of course the Brits assassinated Franz Ferdinand and then forced an impossible ultimatum on Serbia, after which they concocted a false flag operation to excuse their invasion of Poland… …I’m sorry to disappoint you but a bloke called Archie Duke did NOT shoot an ostrich because he was hungry…
@jonwashburn7999
@jonwashburn7999 Ай бұрын
I don't think I'd learned about this before. Thanks.
@tchotayadallee721
@tchotayadallee721 8 күн бұрын
Me neither. & I loved it, but have to research some, as I'm not fully convinced about the "weak" arab influence in all this fully-Colonial Intrigue !
@ttuny1412
@ttuny1412 Ай бұрын
Now I understand why Roosevelt disliked De Gaulle and wanted to shut him out during the war.
@KevinOfford013
@KevinOfford013 Ай бұрын
Canada ejected De Gaulle and I’m rather proud of it.
@thierrydesu
@thierrydesu Ай бұрын
It's not because Roosevelt was the banks' puppet and de Gaulle was not?
@fenixman2
@fenixman2 Ай бұрын
Because he was an english lapdog, Gaulle did nothing wrong.
@imperious8516
@imperious8516 Ай бұрын
@@fenixman2bro forgot to watch the video.
@anthonyhulse1248
@anthonyhulse1248 Ай бұрын
@@fenixman2de Gualle hated the English and kept them out of the EEC.
@HenriHattar
@HenriHattar Ай бұрын
There is a really SIMPLE reason, after the defeat of Vichy Syria, Syria had DEMOCRATIC elections, however France WANTED to RE COLONISE THEM..and the British opposed this in orderto support the democraticly elected Syrian Government. France did not have any ability to fight any way and it is a sign of Gallic arrogance that the British which BOUGHT De Gaulle to power and provided MOST assistance, more than the USA to the French, turned on the British IMMEDIATELY the French , under De Gaul, decided they had won WW2 and were going to take back all their colonies even thought the people of those countries did not want them back, Vietnam for instance!
@patrickmexiquinn
@patrickmexiquinn Ай бұрын
Frances' inability let go lead to Vetinam, and the stability of USA still hasn't recovered from the us vs them party politics that event snowballed into Americana
@adrien5834
@adrien5834 Ай бұрын
Are we pretending that the British were not colonisers, now? Seriously, now...
@HenriHattar
@HenriHattar Ай бұрын
@@adrien5834 The British STOPPED it though and set goals for independence, so why are you waffling about irrelvancies? The recognised it was wrong! Do you?
@HenriHattar
@HenriHattar Ай бұрын
@@patrickmexiquinn Whoever you are you are totally incorrect and it was as early as 1976 that Vietnam actually put our feelers towards allying itself as a US supporter and for this their then head of state travelled to the US in 1978. That contradicts your story hugley BUT the reader can check out the truth for themselves.
@adrien5834
@adrien5834 Ай бұрын
@@HenriHattar It's irrelevant to point out your hypocrisy? I'm sure you think so.The British were maneuvering for advantage, nothing more. They cared not a jot for the freedom of the people of Syria.
@jameswebb4593
@jameswebb4593 Ай бұрын
The British attack on the French Fleet in 1940 is well known and documented . Lesser know was the British invasion of French controlled Island of Madagascar in 1942 . The Japanese bombers that sunk the Repulse and the Prince of Wales took off from French airfields in Indo China . It was feared that the Vichy would give the Japanese authority to use the Island as a submarine base . Another hidden event from WW2 that involved the French was , Marocchinate the name given to the atrocities committed by French Moroccan troops in Italy . When Roosevelt , Churchill and Stalin met at Yalta , De Gaulle was not invited . The big three decided that postwar Germany should be divided into three Zones , Russian , American and British ( BAOR ) no French. That infuriated the Grande Charles who insisted that they had a part . Russia agreed providing it came from UK and USA Zones . When the Brits wanted to rekindle German Industry , particularly steel production , it was the French that held it back . Too much emphasis is placed upon the Marshall Plan , whose real aim was to stop communism . Read what the man responsible has to say , George Kennan .
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
You’ve forgotten the Australian campaign that defeated the French in Syria and Lebanon in 1941.
@bob_the_bomb4508
@bob_the_bomb4508 Ай бұрын
I believe Churchill championed French inclusion in post war talks. For example, the French Sector in Berlin was carved out of the British Sector. Churchill was a lifelong Francophile - he retired there. Also he had proposed an Act of Union in 1940 to keep the French in the war, and was the earliest -though largely unrecognised- proponent of a United Europe.
@jameswebb4593
@jameswebb4593 Ай бұрын
@@bob_the_bomb4508 Churchill did indeed want a closer knit union with Europe , not a Federal one . France is a beautiful country with great variety thanks to thee Alps , and the Med . Thats why it was a popular retreat for the English before and after WW1.
@NightingaleVictor
@NightingaleVictor Ай бұрын
@@bob_the_bomb4508Churchill championed French inclusion in paying the $$$ for occupation, really. Japan was already left to the United States, and Britain did not want to concede more of its influence in Europe to America and the Soviet Union, two bigger and better land empires. France was the logical ally against them.
@BStrapper
@BStrapper Ай бұрын
The french were in zero capaciry to tell the japs what they could or could not do. Even less than the brits who were far more important in that part pf the world than they would like to admit Even when they totally outnumbered the japs... like during tje Singapore glorious battle...
@mharley3791
@mharley3791 Ай бұрын
I just think it’s very funny that France wanted to keep Syria so it could continue to look like a major power and not weak when in fact was weak and not a major power. You can try to bet against reality, but reality always wins.
@alexandrub8786
@alexandrub8786 Ай бұрын
The greatst delusion of the french was to believe that the english (and american) would be better allies to them and would help against Germany.
@samgerman2883
@samgerman2883 Ай бұрын
As opposed to who? France didn’t fall because of a lack of allies. It’s widely understood that it was more powerful (in theory) than the Germans when they were invaded. The issue was their inability to modernize, horrible bureaucratic dysfunction that equally caused horrendous fractures in the military… all the way from the low ranking officers, still being selected by familial ties- something many other nations had began to faze out post WWI- to the highest level officers being figureheads stuck in the area of non-mobile warfare. The French fell because their leaders failed them. Not because their allies failed them. As much as I love De Guille, he forgot that France had fallen many times, and that the allies were giving them many handouts, acting like he was saving the allies while in exile, not vise versa.
@PSsinghBains5
@PSsinghBains5 Ай бұрын
​@@samgerman2883Bro French were Second Grade power in Front of Britain , Germany, US and Soviet Union For example in 1938 industrial potential US = 28% Germany= 12.7% Britain = 10.7% Soviet Union = 9.9% France = 4.2% Industrially French were weak and thier population was also lagging behind They didn't have the Vast Manpower , Natural resources like British Empire as well as the Industrial Potential of Britain and Germany
@alecblunden8615
@alecblunden8615 Ай бұрын
I can't think of any major contribution the French made to fighting Germany. As individuals and units they displayed skill and bravery. As nation, they were a negligible participant.
@BStrapper
@BStrapper Ай бұрын
France wanted to keep syria for the same reason britain wanted france out: OIL FIELDS! A little stab in the back of France... whats wrong with that???
@rawschri
@rawschri Ай бұрын
As Churchill once said when asked, " What was the greatest cross you had to bear during WW2 ? ", his answer was " The Cross of St Lorraine " ...
@nonono9194
@nonono9194 27 күн бұрын
Lies. His largest cross to bear was the 24 carat gold cross his Jewish financers bought him to ensure Britain sacrificed all of it's wealth to drag Germany down with it into it's ethnically cleansed modern version
@henocksherlock3340
@henocksherlock3340 16 күн бұрын
Churchill once again proved to be one of the biggest traitors to his people and of the worst dictators there ever were. If he had just accepted those germany's peace offers, we wouldn't have gone through such numbers of deaths solely for that trίbe 😒😒😒
@keegandecker4080
@keegandecker4080 Ай бұрын
There’s a lot of little rivalries in this world: Tehran vs Istanbul, Moscow vs Kyiv, Seoul vs Tokyo. But in my opinion there is no rivalry as old or as bitter as the hatred that exists between the French and British peoples.
@lordmanatee439
@lordmanatee439 Ай бұрын
Hatred between the interests of the powerful in both regions. The people do what they are told by those more educated than them.
@mohelemadembe2630
@mohelemadembe2630 Ай бұрын
Lies they are none it s all old story and history
@shronkler1994
@shronkler1994 Ай бұрын
i think the roman persian one was longer
@andytomhall6006
@andytomhall6006 Ай бұрын
Not British but English, definitely not Scotland who partnered France in joint attacks on England. Why is it the Scottish and Irish are always treated as victims when they were the aggressors. After all, the Scots are Irish and in common with the rest of the Irish were invading England or Britain as it was then. St Patrick was a monk in Ellesmere Port, kidnapped and taken as a slave. The Scots eventually took over Northern Britain and continued their attacks on England from there. Many years later the Vikings, Anglo-Saxons and Jutes invaded and Romans and Norman's followed. Incidentally a lot of the people (ancient Britons) fled to Wales and other extreme areas, so in a way the Welsh are the original English. Now there's food for thought, Taffys!
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 Ай бұрын
The hatred was more on the part of the English monarchy and ruling class, because they were of French origin themselves. The Norman kings were obsessed with their properties in Normandy, Anjou and France generally. Kings of England and later Great Britain claimed also to be kings of France and had the fleur-de-lis on their coats of arms right up to the formation of the United Kingdom in 1801. That obsession looks as irrational as the Tsars' (and Putin's) with the Ukraine.
@johnwright9372
@johnwright9372 Ай бұрын
De Gaulle was infuriatingly arrogant, touchy, haughty and arrogant, endowed with the worst Gallic characteristics. He supported the attempts by France to hold on to its Colonial Empire in the Middle East, Africa and Indochina.
@marcelb7259
@marcelb7259 Ай бұрын
He actually put an end to Algeria war and give them their independence. He did not want to keep the colonies and was perfectly aware that it was time to let them go. When it come to colonial empire, take a look at Great Britain history and their colossal Empire. De Gaulle was not arrogant, touchy or haughty, he was proud to be a French, proud of his history and love is country more than his own citizens. He was the best leader France have ever had since Napoleon Bonaparte. Both De Gaulle and Churchill had strong character and a little bit of temper, but they respect each other.
@slayerdeth0705
@slayerdeth0705 Ай бұрын
I thought he was trying to pull out of north africa?
@carterstroud5403
@carterstroud5403 Ай бұрын
John what you just described is just a normal Frenchman
@drno4837
@drno4837 Ай бұрын
those are the best Gallic characteristics, it is the reason their food and wine are so good
@johnwotek3816
@johnwotek3816 Ай бұрын
@@marcelb7259 "He actually put an end to Algeria war and give them their independence." Honestly, this was more pure pragmatism than a matter of ideology. The writing had been on the wall for a while by that point. Maintaining French presence in Algeria was not possible. It would have been too expensive and would have weakened the country far beyond what Algeria could bring. "He did not want to keep the colonies and was perfectly aware that it was time to let them go." By 1958 yes, but back in 1945, that was an other story, as his policivy in Indochina show. He wanted to restore French sovereignty on that old colony and he ordered it so in 1945. Also, the man who started the war in 1946, admiral D'Argenlieux, was a fervent Gaullist, although it isn't sure if he specifically acted on De Gaulle's order. It is however worth to point out that, before D'Argenlieux took over the Indochina question, Leclerc was there and De Gaulle did ordered him, at some point, to consider independance, at least as a way to maintain dialogue with the Vietminh. I think De Gaulle, at least for a moment after that war, believed that he could maintain France prestige and place as an international power through the old colonial. But the defeat of his constitutional project in 46, the disastrous resolution of the Indochina war, the war in Algeria raging on, the Suez crisis and his return to power in 1958 trully changed the paradigm.
@MrRobster1234
@MrRobster1234 Ай бұрын
In his memoirs Churchill quipped that of all the crosses he had to bear the Cross of Lorraine was the most heavy. He actually entertained having De Gaulle arrested.
@gdutfulkbhh7537
@gdutfulkbhh7537 Ай бұрын
Wish he had. De Gaulle was nothing but a scumbag.
@vincentperratore4395
@vincentperratore4395 Ай бұрын
Why didn't he then? The only reason why de Gaulle had so cowardly abandoned Algeria afterward was that he was afraid of looking inept and stupid in the eyes of the world, after the dog's breakfast he had made over his handling of French Indo-China, (Vietnam).
@adamrmc100
@adamrmc100 20 күн бұрын
The feeling was equal with the Americans too. De Gaulle was insufferable. Even Canada kicked him out of the country after shooting his mouth of, saying "Vive le Quebec Libre", suggesting Quebec was not free. David Irving investigates and points out the wartime assassination attempt on De Gaulle in sabotaging his aircraft, probably by British Intelligence. Oddly, De Gaulle and Antony Eden were friends despite De Gaulle's shenanigans. What a shame, because the moment Eden became PM, the two of them screwed everything up with the Suez crisis.
@DavePotts
@DavePotts 20 күн бұрын
If Churchill had arrested De Gaulle, he would have got a statue in every British town !
@marcwiart5657
@marcwiart5657 5 күн бұрын
Churchill quipped both very positive and negative about De Gaulle. De Gaulle cryptically alluded to their relationship if I recall as, When I am right I get mad when he is wrong he gets mad. So we are often mad at each other! De Gaulle was in a corner so he had to fight while Churchill was in the middle so he had to be diplomatic.
@MrWorf53
@MrWorf53 Ай бұрын
Normally, I don't watch videos this long, but this was great. Keep it up.
@JohnMac3837
@JohnMac3837 Ай бұрын
De Gaulle's last laugh in 1965 he announced selling US dollars for gold thus leading the United States officially off the gold standard basically defaulting on its debt. And here we are at the economic end game.
@erwannthietart3602
@erwannthietart3602 Ай бұрын
Tbf the signs of the US abandonning Gold standart was already present, De Gaulle France mostly just did a nominal "f*** you" to the US rather than help its economical decline, they didnt even stop using the Dollar in itself nor stock them again afterward, they just converted what little dollars they had on hands to gold and then kept on going as usual
@brucenorman8904
@brucenorman8904 Ай бұрын
It was 1971 not 1965
@JohnMac3837
@JohnMac3837 Ай бұрын
@@brucenorman8904 While true by Nixon in 71, De Gaulle In a press conference in Paris, on the 4th of February 1965, President Charles de Gaulle advocated the return of the world's money system to the gold standard. Following this speech, France announced that it would convert some of its dollar reserves into gold.
@SenorTucano
@SenorTucano 25 күн бұрын
💯
@alanbeaumont4848
@alanbeaumont4848 16 күн бұрын
Being on the Gold Standard is what prolonged the depression of the 1930s. Gold isn't magic; money is valuable if you use it to stimulate your economy and generate something valuable. Britain ran its war on credit from May 1940 onwards because caving to Nazi Germany was unthinkable.
@oliver8928
@oliver8928 Ай бұрын
This is a really fantastic presentation. Thanks for sharing.
@HSPGelton2
@HSPGelton2 Ай бұрын
Excellent video Doug, thank you!
@thomast7794
@thomast7794 Ай бұрын
Great video!
@wargoose25
@wargoose25 Ай бұрын
Excellent video, something I'd never heard of before.
@JasonChahine
@JasonChahine Ай бұрын
That was a great video, it found the length to be great, details are important. I just subscribed, keep going!
@ElGrandoCaymano
@ElGrandoCaymano Ай бұрын
Excellent work Doug. Very interesting. It was well-presented, with a riveting script and relevant photos and reminders of the characters, really quite professional. I've subscribed and hope you do more!
@AlgoKumo
@AlgoKumo Ай бұрын
This was highly informational
@user-hl7nt1og7k
@user-hl7nt1og7k Ай бұрын
Funnily enough, I was reading about thos for the first time the other week... Great video, just subscribed.
@adamlee3772
@adamlee3772 Ай бұрын
A really very interesting video. Thanks for sharing. Well worth the ten additional minutes. 😊
@user-tc6kf3we2p
@user-tc6kf3we2p Ай бұрын
Well Done. Excellent research.
@Karottenbrot1
@Karottenbrot1 Ай бұрын
You don't need enemies when you're allied with france...
@oliviervece6121
@oliviervece6121 Ай бұрын
What about about the british attacking France in peace in 1755, letting down the great alliance in 1711/1712 (dutch and austrian garrisons refusing to let the retreating troops to come in), leaving the spaniards protecting their retreat from Toulon in 1793, letting the french behind in Dunkirk....
@evasiuk
@evasiuk Ай бұрын
@@oliviervece6121🏳️🏳️🏳️
@kiankier7330
@kiankier7330 Ай бұрын
the same could be say about the British
@cpj93070
@cpj93070 Ай бұрын
@@oliviervece6121 😂😂Excuses Excuses French boy, you are embarrassed because Britain gave France one last big f*ck you. 😂
@Fleur-fg4nr
@Fleur-fg4nr Ай бұрын
@@kiankier7330 - yes, or the US.
@ralphraffles1394
@ralphraffles1394 Ай бұрын
British army units played a significant role in the liberation of Paris, yet De Gaulle insisted that the first victory parade was American and Free French only.
@Curmudgeon2
@Curmudgeon2 Ай бұрын
The Brits only contribution to the liberation of Paris was landing in Normandy and fighting their way across northern France. Ike did not really want to go into the city as it might soak up too many resources... but due to the popular uprising he ended up having to. 4ID opened the way, French 2nd AD disobeyed orders and attacked from the wrong direction, got hung up and lost a lot of people. Finally pushed into the city. De Gaulle wanted two Divisions to secure the city and Ike said no, but he had the 28th ID march through the city as a show of force and then go back into the attack on the other side. De Gaulle was a major pain in the ass, but they needed someone to counter the French Communists...if De Gaulle was even half as wonderful as he thought he was, no one would remember Jesus...did one good thing; kept France from going communist.
@aconsideredopinion7529
@aconsideredopinion7529 Ай бұрын
The British were very much third class participants…
@GeoffSinderson
@GeoffSinderson Ай бұрын
I recently read a book by Paddy Ashdown covering the resistance movement around Bordeaux in which the British SOE was heavily involved. At the war`s end De Gaulle was presented to members of the resistance. He totally blanked the British in the line-up whilst bigging up the French efforts.
@davidmacdonald1695
@davidmacdonald1695 Ай бұрын
@@aconsideredopinion7529 Nice try at trolling but the British were first among equals in that campaign. French completely insignificant as their army had been in 1940. Americans were good but overrated.
@davidmacdonald1695
@davidmacdonald1695 Ай бұрын
@@Curmudgeon2In other words, the Brits’ ahem “only contribution” was doing most of the donkey work for France and the US to take the glory? Nice try troll…
@ThrowerTimothy
@ThrowerTimothy Ай бұрын
Doug - you make the videos you want to make and the audience (with me included) will find you - this was a story I had never encountered before and I thoroughly enjoyed it
@The_PokeSaurus
@The_PokeSaurus 20 күн бұрын
Happy to see you still using this channel.
@gregturner1947
@gregturner1947 28 күн бұрын
First time I have come across your channel. Impressive coverage of a topic I have never encountered. I consider myself a student of international relations and war history. This was all news to me, and I find it a well informed piece. Thanks for covering it.
@alexanderperry1844
@alexanderperry1844 Ай бұрын
The French Government was in Vichy (without De Gaulle) through much of WWII. The Vichy Government actively opposed the British (and Allies), whether in Africa, the Middle East, Madagascar or Far East (they even facilitated the Japanese attacks on Malaya and Burma). The French people were badly let down by their leadership, which appears to have learnt nothing (again).
@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098
@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098 Ай бұрын
Vichy was right
@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098
@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098 Ай бұрын
French surrender was the right decision and opposing the allies was in the French national interest
@animaniac2618
@animaniac2618 Ай бұрын
Wrong, Vichy was neutral until the British attacked the French Navy at Mers-el-Kébir.
@b4c9g8m3
@b4c9g8m3 Ай бұрын
"The Vichy Government actively opposed the British" is a blatant lie, and can easily be fact-checked on any wiki, really. After the british betrayal at Mers-El-Kebir (which they still sometime try to portrait as justified, like the Copenhagen bombings), all Vichy did was send some bombers over Gibraltar, and that was their strongest offensive operation against Great-Britai. Vichy declared its neutrality and defended its territory, that is all...
@louise_rose
@louise_rose Ай бұрын
The plain fact, which is omitted in this video because it very much sees things from a Brit perspective, is that de Gaulle and Pétain (head of the Vichy gov't, and before that, PM of France during the May/June 1940 invasion by the Germans, until he handed in the surrender of the French army to the Germans) were *competing* over which of them should be seen as the true representative, the legit leader of France and the French nation. de Gaulle claimed that Pétain and the Vichy men were traitors, and by 1944 he could certainly claim that history had proved him right. Most people in France since WW2 (no, I'm not French but I know the country) would consider Vichy a bastard government that had no real claim to speaking for France, just like Lord Haw-Haw did not represent the British.
@stephenhall9251
@stephenhall9251 Ай бұрын
What a well researched and interesting video. I’ve learned a lot. Not too long for me 👍
@d.c.8828
@d.c.8828 21 күн бұрын
Almost no other history-focused (English) channels cover this rather convoluted period of history, but I'm glad to have found your video! Subscribed!
@robertsansone1680
@robertsansone1680 Ай бұрын
Very interesting. Thank You
@burtbackattack
@burtbackattack Ай бұрын
Superb video Doug. This is a piece of post war history that I was completely unaware of. Looking forward to any future uploads you've got planned.
@user-ss5yq6rl2z
@user-ss5yq6rl2z Ай бұрын
Thank you for the self relflection and citation on the making of this documentary. That was as enlightening as your detailed account of this little known aspect of WWII.
@Beartore
@Beartore 18 күн бұрын
Thought I was watching the Beeb. Excellent production, good sir, bravo👏
@willevans429
@willevans429 20 күн бұрын
Well this was new to me, well done, very well put together
@douglasprewer7913
@douglasprewer7913 Ай бұрын
The French capitulated in 1940 so no French involvement until France was liberated in 1944, in fact France actively opposed Britain hence the destruction of the French fleets by the British. So not really good allies after all.
@donsalluste1581
@donsalluste1581 Ай бұрын
The french answer of levantine countries independance could be understand at a larger scale. In deed, all countries near of French Syria and Leabanon are English or under English influence. So French défend only their own interests. De Gaulle said :" In international relationships, there is no friendship, only common interest"
@perjohanaxell9862
@perjohanaxell9862 15 күн бұрын
20 minutes isn't long. I think you did an excellent job explaining the insident and the build up to it. I didn't know anything about it before so it was very interesting thank you.
@GeorgeTheDinoGuy
@GeorgeTheDinoGuy Ай бұрын
I was pleasantly surprised when I found a video from Doug A James in my inbox. Brilliant video. I am developing a fascination with world war 2 after my recent dive into the Cold War, fascinating stuff. Reminds me of the tension seen between France and NATO in the sixties.
@plebius
@plebius Ай бұрын
First time on this channel. Gotta say, great video and I really appreciate the sources in the description.
@dougajames
@dougajames Ай бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed! Do check out the public script in the description too for a few extra fun details in the footnotes!
@stevetaylor8298
@stevetaylor8298 Ай бұрын
This video makes me appreciate Churchill even more, not only was his country and Commonwealth at war, but he had to keep an eye on some of his 'allies' as well.
@michaelreeves8164
@michaelreeves8164 4 күн бұрын
The adage, "You are never too old to learn" is true for me in this video. I am old, but I never knew of this particular piece of history.
@rickreeves3781
@rickreeves3781 4 күн бұрын
I really enjoyed this
@conveyor2
@conveyor2 Ай бұрын
de Gaulle didn't become President until 1959. In 1945 he was only Chairman of the Provisional governemnt.
@ad3l547
@ad3l547 Ай бұрын
He had a great influence among the peoples.
@benjaminhodzic4840
@benjaminhodzic4840 Ай бұрын
Keep it up mate
@nathangillispie51
@nathangillispie51 Ай бұрын
Very interesting. Something i didn't know about and great to learn.
@francisebbecke2727
@francisebbecke2727 Ай бұрын
Blowing up the French navy had something to do with it, but the British had little choice. The French Admiral Darlene could have scuttled the fleet, turned it over to the British, or sailed it to America. The US Admiral King could have done something with those ships.
@jermseventy8341
@jermseventy8341 Ай бұрын
Why should the French be concerned about destroying the navy of "german puppets"? De Gaulle and others should have praised the UK for its quick thinking in making sure that the German Led-French Government didn't have a navy to help Hitler take the rest of Europe unopposed.
@stlawstlaw7585
@stlawstlaw7585 2 күн бұрын
Cheap attempt to justify war crimes... most of French fleet remained in France/Toulon, they never gave it to Germans (eventually scuttled). It was that hideous British attack (worse than Pearl Harbor) that almost forced France into Axis, not prevent it.
@ronwilson9815
@ronwilson9815 Ай бұрын
Yet another example of just how disastrous and stupid the Sykes-Picot agreement was.
@stirlingmoss9637
@stirlingmoss9637 Ай бұрын
Most expediecies are given time and retrospective wisdom
@rosesprog1722
@rosesprog1722 Ай бұрын
True, while promising the same area to the Arabs and the Zionists, a triple lie. Very few regimes allowed themselves to such multiplicity, secrecy and disregard for human life in history, and we are watching the consequences on TV these days.
@ElGrandoCaymano
@ElGrandoCaymano Ай бұрын
How do you figure? Sykes-Picot has nothing to do with French control. They were determined to control the Levant. Look at the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
@ronwilson9815
@ronwilson9815 Ай бұрын
@@ElGrandoCaymano Sykes-Picot had everything to do with French Control. It was what the agreement was all about, giving the British control of Palestine, Jordan and Iraq and the French control of Lebanon and Syria. It also of course led to the complete [expletive deleted] up that the world is still dealing with today!
@matthewgliatto7339
@matthewgliatto7339 Ай бұрын
@@ronwilson9815Yes. It’s not about whether UK or France was *more* imperialistic, it’s about how appalling it is that they were *both* so imperialistic. Why should we even *care* which of them was even worse than the other?
@HenrythePaleoGuy
@HenrythePaleoGuy 17 күн бұрын
Really great video Doug! I learned a lot of new things from it. :)
@johnwright9372
@johnwright9372 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this insight into a mostly forgotten chapter of history.
@aidanacebo9529
@aidanacebo9529 Ай бұрын
I consider myself a fairly well read expert on matters concerning WWII. this is the first time I've heard of this event. it truly makes my day when I learn stuff like this. thank you!
@chrischristie1486
@chrischristie1486 Ай бұрын
Wow every day’s a school day. I knew nothing about any of this. Fascinating.
@timnicholls19
@timnicholls19 25 күн бұрын
Didn't think very highly of de Gaulle with out hearing this. Now even less
@garychekerdjian9
@garychekerdjian9 Ай бұрын
Thanks
@keithdavies1395
@keithdavies1395 Ай бұрын
Well that wouldn't have lasted long, would it? Wonder if De Gaulle would have buggered off to England again?
@JamesKelly-fj8zi
@JamesKelly-fj8zi Ай бұрын
I found this interesting and learning something new. My father and uncle Syd was there for the Syrian campaign in the 2nd3rd Field Regiment 2nd AIF but in reserve. So saw no action there. Unlike in the Pacific.
@WanderlustZero
@WanderlustZero Ай бұрын
Respect to your uncle and father. It must have been galling (no pun intended) to have to go to a country and fight our erstwhile allies, and then have no-one ever speak about the incident ever again, so stop the French throwing a hissy fit again.
@JamesKelly-fj8zi
@JamesKelly-fj8zi Ай бұрын
@@WanderlustZero I do respect my dad, mum and all my uncles they all served. Dad always said he had a good war. Meaning he didn't get hurt or psychology injuries, no PTSD etc. Another person don't believe me or he thinks dad a psychopath. But dad never use physical punishment on me, he always made me feel shame when I was naughty. So dad says he had a good war and puts it down to superior training. In Townsville they called for volunteers so dad and Syd joined and ended up in 2nd7th Independent Company. For 45 years dad was wearing the wrong ribbons when he finally sent away for his medals he was told he wasn't entitled to the North Africa Star. Its because he didn't see action in Syria, I think someone stuff up and they are telling him porkies that he's not entitled to it. Dad was upset about that, cause some joined the Commandos after basic training where this would have shown he joined up earlier and was in the Middle East. He always sung Legon Of The Lost most popular song after Lilly Mallane over there. He also had great respect for the Japs.
@petem7118
@petem7118 Ай бұрын
I like the way you said…”staunch allies “ 😂😂
@deanrogers1843
@deanrogers1843 22 күн бұрын
Adored the video and have subscribed. It’s not a part of history often covered as it’s overshadowed by WW2 on things like ‘The History Channel’
@francislacross1806
@francislacross1806 Ай бұрын
🇬🇧UK : hey psst.. buddy. How about one last war together huh ? 😏 🇫🇷France : u already know bro ! 😝
@johnbowman4103
@johnbowman4103 Ай бұрын
And look at Lebanon now. From 70% Christian to Muslim dominated, and their wealth collapsed as well.
@Twasforthevine
@Twasforthevine Ай бұрын
That has nothing to do with France or degaulle . Its a Palestine Israel thing. Tje lebanese civil war was in the 70s.
@JacobFraps
@JacobFraps Ай бұрын
It does though. France is the reason why it stayed majority christen ​@@Twasforthevine
@Twasforthevine
@Twasforthevine Ай бұрын
@@JacobFraps ah i thought the original poster was blaming France for Lebanon's current misery.
@swallowxx
@swallowxx Ай бұрын
Whose wealth? Also, so what?. They govern themselves, that's a good thing for every nation.
@tonyclough9844
@tonyclough9844 Ай бұрын
If you want to see what happened to Lebanon Google Bridget Gabrial she escaped with her life.
@munkittytunkitty
@munkittytunkitty 9 күн бұрын
How utterly fascinating! I didn't know about any of that - I doubt many people did
@daffyduk77
@daffyduk77 Ай бұрын
interesting, thanks
@ttuny1412
@ttuny1412 Ай бұрын
The French, we hate being occupied by a foreign power and being treated like less than second class citizens in our own country. Also French, but we want to keep occupying foreign countries and treating them as less than second class citizens in their own countries.
@DD-qw4fz
@DD-qw4fz Ай бұрын
Same as Netherlands and Belgium.
@Muddy283
@Muddy283 Ай бұрын
@@DD-qw4fz and UK (except that, since 1066+, we've never suffered the ignominy of being occupied, being an island)
@Fleur-fg4nr
@Fleur-fg4nr Ай бұрын
Britain (Boris etc): "We want to be able to say "F*-K you, there's notihng for you to say about our laws and institutions" to the EU and everybody else.. That's the meaning of true sovereignty."" Britain (Boris and others): "How dare China impose their own laws on Hong Kong?? That place used to be OURS! We want to have a say!"
@druisteen
@druisteen Ай бұрын
@@Muddy283 Your prime minister i from India !
@dunnowy123
@dunnowy123 Ай бұрын
He's a British citizen and BORN IN THE UK you dolt. How can people still be like this, how much more of more of a Brit does he have to be? Does he need pasty skin and no rhythm? ​@@druisteen
@willhovell9019
@willhovell9019 Ай бұрын
The poison of colonial rivalry, and the Vichy legacy. Churchill lost power in July 1945 but Britain hadn't started the process of decolonisation, with the French going on to fight wars in Vietnam, and Algeria and Britain in Malaya, Aden and Kenya.
@Mulberry2000
@Mulberry2000 Ай бұрын
Wrong they had started the process of decolonisation, India became independent by 1947, it did not happen in a vacuum, the brits had to negotiated it.
@philhawley1219
@philhawley1219 Ай бұрын
Don't forget the British intervention in French Indo-China during the power vacuum caused by the Japanese surrender. Truman was all for handing over European colonies to the Chinese sphere of influence.
@user-hl7nt1og7k
@user-hl7nt1og7k Ай бұрын
Malaya wasn't a colonial war, not really. It was a Chinese minority Communist insurgency,, with very little support amongst the ethnic Malayans
@BStrapper
@BStrapper Ай бұрын
Britain message was: do as i say not as i do...
@BStrapper
@BStrapper Ай бұрын
Britain only gave up on india because it did not have the power to keep india as a colony. Keep the empire was still a major objective.
@MrSpikebender
@MrSpikebender Ай бұрын
There was so much more going behind the war that we will never know. Great video. My opinion: 10 minuets too short, 30 minuets too long, 20 minuets shall be-ith the proper amount for the video.
@robertmitchell8630
@robertmitchell8630 Ай бұрын
Well done I was professor you got A+
@JackKlumpass
@JackKlumpass Ай бұрын
That De Gaulle character- he had some front - the lanky lodger is what I like to call him.
@georgepayne9895
@georgepayne9895 Ай бұрын
I enjoyed the memory of Churchill, when he said 'of all the crosses I had to bear, the cross of Lorraine was the heaviest'. Another story was told by an interpreter at the Foreign Office. Churchill had called for de Gaulle to attend at Downing St. The interpreter was tasked to be present.Churchill started his talk. The interpreter interpreted - return translated as 'my general, I have asked you to come here...' Churchill interrupted with a growl. 'I didn't call him 'my general' -& I didn't 'ask' him to come here!' At this point, the interpreter fled in tears. It took a while to find a replacement interpreter. When one was found, he entered the office, to find de Gaulle & Churchill, each with a glass in hand, chatting in French (in which language Churchill was fluent) sitting by the fire like old friends!
@stevetaylor8298
@stevetaylor8298 Ай бұрын
As others have said, I usually balk at videos this long and which stray from the title slightly at the beginning, I'm glad I persisted. This should be taught in schools.
@dunnowy123
@dunnowy123 Ай бұрын
I find all these little side stories within World War II fascinating. I love learning about the complex dynamics within the Allies
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 Ай бұрын
Doug, as you "I suppose" must know, after the fall of France in June 1940 The so-called free French were totally reliant on British arms & support, if there was a disagreement over Syria, at the least there would only be a Little a/ pushing and shoving b/ light firing over each others heads b/ extreme screaming from De Gaulle & other French leaders. But certainly not War
@Kamfrenchie
@Kamfrenchie Ай бұрын
Why so called ? And using allied arms and support is nothing unusual. The USA had done so in ww1 for a variety of things if memory serves.
@jureeratpholseela7508
@jureeratpholseela7508 Ай бұрын
And later from 7 September 1940 with the first Convoy FS1 the British were also on a life line from the USA in the so called Battle of the Atlantic ,US also supported Russia with loads and loads of weapons with the artic convoy, Crazy times
@cdcdrr
@cdcdrr Ай бұрын
France: Why are you fostering a coup in the Levant to erase French influence and replace it with Britain's? Britain: We are not attempting to interfere with Syria and Lebanon! France: Really? Because everything you're doing seems to result in the weakening of France's position, and strengthen your own. Isn't that funny? Britain: We swear it's all just a coincidence if it looks that way. I mean, we have centuries of history of doing exactly that, but it's not the case this time!
@AlexC-ou4ju
@AlexC-ou4ju Ай бұрын
Perfidious Albion going to perfidy a little more.
@kristianmorris9738
@kristianmorris9738 Ай бұрын
This is very Black Adder. Love it!
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Ай бұрын
French influence? Culinary for sure. How did French influence work for them in Algeria and Indo China?
@BStrapper
@BStrapper Ай бұрын
​@@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qethe french took those countries out of the middle age. Really Nothing else.
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe Ай бұрын
@BStrapper Thanks for the timeline. French should have retired their colonial designs. Learned this the Hard way.
@Crashed131963
@Crashed131963 Ай бұрын
Nobody realized that much closer Libya had oil until 1958 .
@anonimosu7425
@anonimosu7425 Ай бұрын
In a random given year, why did France and Britain nearly go to war.
@RegentOfGreece
@RegentOfGreece Ай бұрын
Despite their differences and heated arguments directly with each other, it's clear Churchill and De Gaulle considered each other friends and allies. The Anglo-French friendship is forever!! ❤
@brucesim2003
@brucesim2003 Ай бұрын
Not so sure of the friends part of friends and allies.
@jackjohnson6339
@jackjohnson6339 Ай бұрын
De Gaulle is living proof that human shite can be stacked over 77 inches high.
@RsgNoise
@RsgNoise Ай бұрын
And Churchill over 50 inches large
@KingAgniKai
@KingAgniKai Ай бұрын
​@@RsgNoisewhataboutism shows a lack of intelligence
@RsgNoise
@RsgNoise Ай бұрын
@@KingAgniKai commenting on yt also ✌️
@hdemuizon9034
@hdemuizon9034 29 күн бұрын
De Gaulle was a lot of things, but surely not human shit, he organized all the french resistance, and that's how the D-Day was so successfull. I think that this video is great but surely don't show all the little details, cause basically it's saying France played like bastards, while they had reasons to put so much efforts on it. England was tempted to take the old french colony, and the US wanted france to became their puppet state after the war. If it wasn't for a strong character like De Gaulle France would have been shared between the US and the UK, at least by their influence.
@tiptoptechno
@tiptoptechno Ай бұрын
Absolutely brilliant presentation. New subscriber here.
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
To ignore that it was an Australian campaign shows the intellectual limits of the presentation and its bias.
@JamesKelly-fj8zi
@JamesKelly-fj8zi Ай бұрын
​@@seanlander9321This doco is really about the actions of 1945. Which I didn't know about. 2nd AIF was part of British and Free French (a lot of French legation officers) invasion 1941 it even included the Arab Legion from Trans Jordan. The doco mentioned it 4 minutes in and some of the photos I am sure from the Australian War Museum. My father was in 2nd3rd Field Regiment 2nd AIF that's 25pounders lucky dad wasn't in Sir Roland Cutler mob. Culture got his VC cause he was the only one to survive their forward observation post losing his legs.
@JamesKelly-fj8zi
@JamesKelly-fj8zi Ай бұрын
Dam auto correct. Even when you type it in correct you move on the dam thing changes it on you. So I'm not only stupid thing making typos and spelling mistakes.
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
@@JamesKelly-fj8zi The British, Indian and Free French were part of the Australian force. The command, finance and logistics were Australian. The Free French refused to fight. Cutler lost a leg.
@JamesKelly-fj8zi
@JamesKelly-fj8zi Ай бұрын
@@seanlander9321 I knew I had something wrong a bit more than I expected.
@dennis2376
@dennis2376 Ай бұрын
That is interesting, but confusing because France asked Briton to help them with Vietnam. This was something that I did not know about. Thank you.
@WanderlustZero
@WanderlustZero Ай бұрын
Britain had suppressed the Viet Minh and restored order, before leaving so the French could roll in. On handing over, General Gracey told his counterpart 'They've had a tough time. Go easy on them' So of course the French started just driving through towns and villages machine-gunning everything in sight -_-
@user-ke8hd8yy8u
@user-ke8hd8yy8u Ай бұрын
french bashing all in one vid, Nice one
@sego4125
@sego4125 Ай бұрын
Wow, this comment section is just a concentration of anti-French Anglos...
@LowellHulsopple
@LowellHulsopple 14 күн бұрын
As an English & history (B.A.) scholar of WW2 history, your research is as better than anyone else's, finding even more facts than I've enjoyed before. Excellent work, & may you prosper from this adventure!
@dougajames
@dougajames 14 күн бұрын
Thank you! I did an English and History degree as well strangely enough!
@user-rq7el8nh6q
@user-rq7el8nh6q Ай бұрын
Winnie seemed to live above his means. No possibility he could be beholden, is there ?
@myne00
@myne00 Ай бұрын
I'm surprised that the USA didn't tap France on the shoulder and threaten to withdraw the Marshall plan funds as they did with the Dutch over Indonesia. The same ostensible logic applies. "No more empire, mkay" If only they did. Perhaps Vietnam would have been less bloody - albeit, the main motive there was communism. US policy has always been somewhat schizophrenic if you believe their reasons at face value though.
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 Ай бұрын
Well, the USA were eyeing over France and its empire all along (just like the Brits), they even went to the level of spending years forming US men that would be officials in France in a US imposed militaristic colonial state for the French people (check AMGOT France) thankfully De Gaulle was here and managed to counter the US plan, giving a tap on their shoulder wouldn’t only be dumb but would also discredit the USA themselves as they had their own colonies around the world, in the Caribbean and the Pacific (and still do to this day).
@scottanos9981
@scottanos9981 Ай бұрын
​@@brunol-p_g8800LOL since when did the US government care about hypocrisy or irony during the Bretton Woods years? The real reason they didn't pressure France too much was the desire to sweeten the deal in allowing the formation of a West German nation. Basically "go along with our cold war plans in Europe and we'll look the other way for now". On top of that, many advisors in the presidential cabinet during the postwar years despised the UK more than France for having a competing, if not waning, global empire. Dismantling that was more of a priority than intervening in French internal issues.
@AlexC-ou4ju
@AlexC-ou4ju Ай бұрын
The us feared a communist takeover in France more than they feared a communist takeover in Vietnam. That was why the US used the Marshall plan - not out of any brotherly love.I’m quite surprised the French didn’t go all founding fathers after either WW and just default on their debts especially after the US started backing out of its Versailles commitments to France but expecting France to honour theirs to the US.
@gagamba9198
@gagamba9198 Ай бұрын
There's a prevalent yet unfounded idea that the US said 'jump' and everyone replied 'how high?' It's a caricature of international relations, propagated by the numbskulls who are film screenwriters and authors of fiction novels as well as genuine dictators who wield such power domestically and disseminate propaganda: 'No, it's the US that strong arms everyone. Not me.' The stooges repeated it. It ignores each party had a say. Upon the elections of '46 the Fourth Republic had 15 parties in the legislature, meaning everyone formed coalitions. The largest was French Communist Party (PCF) with 28.5% of the legislative seats. It formed a tense three-party ruling coalition with the leftist French Section of the Workers' International (SFIO), the third largest party with about 18% of the seats. The tension was the SFIO refused to support the PCF leading the government. The third member of the coalition was Popular Republican Movement (MRP), a schizophrenic party, with 26% of the seats. Though nationalist and even right of centre, the MRP found common cause with the left because it too supported mass nationalisation of business. The MRP was de Gaulle's party nominally until he had a falling out with it and formed his own Gaullist party. In March '47 the PCF and SCIO argued over military spending for Indochina, which the communist's opposed. Then a dispute over wage freezes arose between the two in May. Again, the PCF opposed. This led to a schism between the two parties, the PCF's ministers being kicked out of their posts, and a collapse of the three-party coalition. Uproar. General strikes. The Marshall Plan was announced in June. Stalin rejected the Marshall Plan for the USSR and fomented a mass movement against it in Europe led by the communist parties. A new coalition formed with the SFIO, MRP (without De Gaulle and his loyalists), and group of parties known as the Radicals (of the Left) who were of the right - French context where 'the right' historically was monarchist. This was known as the Third Force. Of the three options, Communists, Gaullists, and Third Force, the US decided the third was the least worst of bunch. But the Third Force was no pushover. It understood that it had the US over a barrel. 'You going to work with the Communists or the Gaullists? You know you can't do so and we know you can't do so. You're stuck with us.' A stand off. Who would blink first? The Third Force launched the Monnet Plan, a programme of massive government investment and economic modernisation focused on infrastructure and industry. As this was inflationary, it reduced the quality of the people's lives and furthered dissent. Using its right of approval for projects, the US tried to force the Third Force to spend some money on social welfare programmes to counter the Communists, but the Third Force stuck to its guns. The US blinked. Each party had some power, but neither had a totalitarian's power. With the smooth came the rough, and each had to put up with both.
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
The Americans were motivated to ‘persuade’ the Dutch about Indonesia after the Dutch reneged on every agreement with Australia to have their colony returned to them. It was their own treachery that sank the Dutch, not American.
@Markfr0mCanada
@Markfr0mCanada Ай бұрын
This is horrible. If being occupied by the Nazis doesn't spell out what is wrong with the concept of imperialism I don't know what does. Yet here are the French, focusing on occupying someone else while they are occupied.
@gdutfulkbhh7537
@gdutfulkbhh7537 Ай бұрын
Keep in mind, also, that the French efforts to keep their crumbling empire were a direct cause of the Vietnam War.
@coygus4422
@coygus4422 Ай бұрын
Why are most people seemingly forgetting that the British also had a globe spanning empire
@adrien5834
@adrien5834 Ай бұрын
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 Total nonsense. The direct cause of the Vietnam War was America's absurd crusade against communism, nothing else.
@WanderlustZero
@WanderlustZero Ай бұрын
@@coygus4422 the difference is the British willingly gave theirs up.
@coygus4422
@coygus4422 Ай бұрын
@@WanderlustZero They "willingly" gave theirs up after realising that fighting endless guerilla wars was no longer profitable
@dalriada842
@dalriada842 24 күн бұрын
Why was it British government policy to be so mindful of French pride? They've been competing with the French for centuries. Was the free French contribution to the war so important, that it was worth putting up with an arrogant man like Charles De Gaulle, when France was under the thumb of the Germans? I would like to thank him, however, for blocking the UKs entrance into the EEC. Had we gotten in earlier, we would still be mired in the undemocratic tar pit that is the EU.
@johnyoung1761
@johnyoung1761 19 күн бұрын
As to the length and detail, I, too, found it very good. Its almost as if the fractal nature of the splintering narrative is the most important thing to recognize about history!
@erwannthietart3602
@erwannthietart3602 Ай бұрын
I love how most of the comments are straight up hating De Gaulle. As a frenchman, that just means he did a FLAWLESS job. You hate him because he disobeyed order? France loves him because he was the head of the french liberation. You hate him because he was arrogant? The English preemptively attacked the french fleet in the doubt that they would surrender instead of deciding to switch side or more likely sabord itself, the Americans straight up championned a pro american puppet which would certainly be anti colonial imperialist. But pro American imperialist. De Gaulle was no one's puppet and his arrogance permitted this, because he disobeyed he showed France was still autonomous, its nominal, but still thencase. You hate him because he held back on many diplomatic stuff yet made an alliance in Moscow 1944 while not doing the same for UK/US, and was pissed because of not being included in the big 3? We love him because he made sure France was still recongised as the great power it was, even if it was by complaining so hard everyone just decided to follow to shut him up. The US or UK didnt want to help France gain its own nukes even though the french were the first with a patent in the 30's for the nukes and french nuclear knowledge first went on to help the UK's project then through the UK's help to the US Project Manhattan? Well France does it anyway. They refuse to have France in the highest leadership of the United command of Nato? France left it for 50 years etc... Please hate more De Gaulle, that just emphasise his success in helping France
@zz_mast_zz7987
@zz_mast_zz7987 29 күн бұрын
Je t'aime
@nickelouscage
@nickelouscage 23 күн бұрын
Interesting viewpoint, never thought about it that way. To be honest, though, I’ve not thought much about inter-allied relations during the war other than the shaky alliance with the Soviets
@alexwallace5486
@alexwallace5486 20 күн бұрын
Where was alk this bravado when the nazis came, oh, there was none , you just surrendered, we (the uk, America, Canada) liberated you. I'm sorry we bothered. De Gaule stated in a meeting he wanted every American soldidr removed from french soil, he was asked if that included the 40.000 dead, De Gaule shutup and left the meetjng in shame. That sums up De Gaule.
@erwannthietart3602
@erwannthietart3602 20 күн бұрын
@@alexwallace5486 yes. Exactly, THAT arrogance is EXACTLY why De Gaulle was a good leader for France, because while you hid behind oceans and seas and think yourself better in hindsight, the Liberators of the world and that we are ungrateful for not letting you run all over us in return. He was forced to leave his country in shame to lead its resistance from a place he despised aka England. His arrogance was the last thing keeping France together, if he wasnt such a Prick France wouldve been led by an Americanied puppet, which is only varely better than the occupation, because the only thing that would be differant is that the occupiers wouldnt be nazi but american imperialists. He left the meeting you speaking of outraged not ashamed when the answer to "all your soldiers should leave France" was "including the dead ones?" Itd be like France asking the US in a similar circonstances "including those that died so your very country could Exist?". Its a total lack of respect, when its 100% obvious the dead ones should be respected anyways, and it was only the living who would have to leave. Same lack of respect that led to De Gaulle leaving the Integrated Command of Nato in the first place. We arent ungrateful for the liberation, we simply dont like that you would dare think we need to look up to you as liberators and act like a puppet state to your every whims because of it, when we are also an indepandant state and a great power in our own right even if no superpower. At the very least De Gaulle def thought line that. And he was damn right about it. Fun fact when Pompidou, De Gaulle's ideological heir was President in the early 70's, the US was so miffed about France's wish for autonomy, that Kissinger said they needed to destroy France's ability to be a nuisance (to american interests is obviously implied). Happy to say it didnt really work and the US didnt truly manage to prevent France from reaching its autonomy. At leadt not till the 90's for sole unchecked Hyperpower reasons
@stephenevans6070
@stephenevans6070 Ай бұрын
Staunch allies?, marriage of convenience, France wanted to remain and still is a colonial power, people should remember that when they bang on about the British empire, an empire that ceased to exist 70 years ago, while France still occupies of wealds power over approximately 14 African nations
@ianjones1034
@ianjones1034 Ай бұрын
Exactly , Macron is persuing French influence in Africa by trying to implement schooling whereby French becomes the primary language in Africa , no doubt in years to come French citizens will take solace in the fact that African migrants will be able to converse with them prior to mugging, raping or commiting murder
@Kamfrenchie
@Kamfrenchie Ай бұрын
How are we still a colonial power ? we dont occupy any nations nor do they dance to our tune.
@loco141r3
@loco141r3 Ай бұрын
“The British empire died 70 years ago” ?? Let me introduce you to Anguilla, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Falklands, Virgin Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn, Gibraltar, St Helena South Georgia etc. France has no lessons to be given from Britain regarding colonial stuff
@martinvandenbroek2532
@martinvandenbroek2532 Ай бұрын
In the end I think the French made the smarter choice by reconciling with Germany and becoming one of the driving forces in what became the European Union. The UK on the other hand clamped on to old time sentiments and is now an isolated country slowly sliding on a downward spiral. Best of luck lads.
@theawesomeman9821
@theawesomeman9821 Ай бұрын
@@Kamfrenchie explain the hundreds of pro-French coups in Africa the last 75 years, supported by French soldiers. France still treats its former African colonies like they were never independent.
@frankthompson6503
@frankthompson6503 25 күн бұрын
Big yes
@user-ri1ti6go7s
@user-ri1ti6go7s Ай бұрын
Good history revealed... I didn't know this
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
The conquest of Syria and Lebanon was an Australian led, commanded and financed war. The Free French were an embarrassment and a logistical and financial burden who refused to fight. The Australians took Damascus (for the second time) and forced an armistice on the French on Bastille Day 1941, a humiliation the French have never forgotten. The British and Indian involvement in Syria and Lebanon Campaign was extremely limited with virtually all of their casualties coming from very poor hygiene.
@pierren___
@pierren___ Ай бұрын
It seems you forgot that Vichy France was a neutral country, thus they werent suppose to fight to the end.
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
@@pierren___ Vichy claimed neutrality while fighting for the Axis. Traitors as well as liars.
@Kamfrenchie
@Kamfrenchie Ай бұрын
The free french refused to fight ? can you prove that ? considering there were Free french doing very well even in Russia, inside the normandie niemen squadron, your claim is bizarre.
@druisteen
@druisteen Ай бұрын
Could you just gave us a break whive your francophobia ??
@seanlander9321
@seanlander9321 Ай бұрын
@@druisteen Francophobia? Yeah right. Its history as it is, not the bull the French want it to be.
@andytomhall6006
@andytomhall6006 Ай бұрын
Britain and France were never staunch allies. Both Churchill and Roosevelt disliked DeGualle, not as much as Churchill hated Stalin though.
@Simon-ch7yd
@Simon-ch7yd Ай бұрын
Actually, they weren't such staunch allies. For starters early on the French navy in Algeria refused to join Britain and hostilities took place for 4 days before the French scuttled their ships. Don't get me started on Petain's Vichy.
@DavidRMason1
@DavidRMason1 Ай бұрын
Not too long. Fascinating.
@tml721
@tml721 11 күн бұрын
45 years ago I read a book called "The Deed" it was about Loyd Moyn's assassination. It focused on the 2 men who shot Moyn.
@mohamadalakhras9750
@mohamadalakhras9750 Ай бұрын
thank you for making this video and shining a light on this unjust act of violence by France against my country
@WanderlustZero
@WanderlustZero Ай бұрын
The story should be told! As should the stories of Algeria, and Indochina, and everywhere the French decided to spill blood and crush democracy to assuage their battered ego.
@hdemuizon9034
@hdemuizon9034 29 күн бұрын
@@WanderlustZero You seem to despise us for that, but it's basically what humans have always been doing in their history. There's no bad guy and good guy, everyone is sorta colons and colonized at the same time, that's all. saying it's about ego is pretty unaccurate, it's about ressources
@WanderlustZero
@WanderlustZero 29 күн бұрын
​@@hdemuizon9034 despise is not quite the right word... but what gets me is the hypocrisy; I grew up with the stories of the French resistance, and bravery under occupation by the nazis. Algeria, Indochina, Syria all seem to get airbrushed out of history. How could people endure that, and then go out and do the same to other people? Even a lot of the resistance fighters became soldiers and went to Indochina, at some points fighting alongside former German Waffen SS now serving the foreign legion. I don't get it. What resources are worth that?
@fakshen1973
@fakshen1973 Ай бұрын
France lost its war. It just wound up being on the winning side once the dust settled. Sorry about your navy. But you insisted.
@Mulberry2000
@Mulberry2000 Ай бұрын
Yes just like the Americans in the war of impudence.
@zachalexander963
@zachalexander963 Ай бұрын
@@Mulberry2000Are you referencing the revolutionary war? Whichever wars your island has waged with or against us, you’ve played only a minimal part. We saved you in both great wars. It could be argued that Britain has simply been on our winning side scores of times now.
@Mulberry2000
@Mulberry2000 Ай бұрын
@@zachalexander963 READ A BOOK. As for your post the UK saved the American at the battle of the bulge.
@stephenchappell7512
@stephenchappell7512 Ай бұрын
​@@zachalexander963 Prior to mid 44 it was Britain that had more men at arms than the US with the tables being turned only in the final year
@philhawley1219
@philhawley1219 Ай бұрын
@@zachalexander963 Are you still winning in the ex-French colony called Vietnam? You failed to emulate the success that the British achieved under similar conditions in Malaya/ Malaysia.
@thomassalois3508
@thomassalois3508 5 күн бұрын
De Gaulle was always a difficult Ally at best
@philipnorris6542
@philipnorris6542 Ай бұрын
While Churchill and de Gaulle certainly had their share of disagreements as politico-military leaders, they didn't lose their respect for each other as men; Churchill, in his memoirs, refers to the 1945 Syria episode as an "uneasy interlude", and he says that de Gaulle responded to it in a statesmanlike manner, which makes the possibility of an Anglo-French armed clash seem rather unlikely, to say the least.
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