If anything, this should've been the final battle, have the Legacy Squadron fight the Harvester's mothership, while the Queen launches a separate assault on Area 51. And, before that, have a few smaller battles here and there.

Like the worst commander in history with the best equipment to offer…

Some of the best aesthetic design work ever. The bombers look great too.

They're very beautiful

@@christophersanders3252 Super-duper B1.

Thats so f*cking true

actually without the pacific rim sequal we would have never had pacific rim the black, which is pretty good for a netflix show.

i honestly think that this movie would've been better off in a seperate franchise interly, it's own in my opinion. it had potential and lots of it honestly. the tech was interesting, and the idea itself was amazing, an story to tell honestly. i would've honestly watched movies comprised of these exact scenes, sadly i know that this is supposed to be an remake of I-day, when watching this. just the classic hollywood blockbuster flaws made it an plotless sinful mess, but i honestly think that the story of this movie had potential. and what i mean exactly is. the first original I-day was an story about an alien race invanding earth, and destroying iconic landmarks, and such. there were many message within it, but at it's heart it was just that, an alien movie. and what i mean with the potential the sequel had, was just the universe it created with the lore beheind the aliens, the fallen worlds, humanity as a whole after this attack. it could've honestly been another iconic new-time franchise. (sadly thats never gonna be lol, really sad tho, wish i could see more of these scenes in movies that are there own

and to really visually represent my thoughts. 3:19, if u see that sequence, do u think of indenpendence day.

In my opinion I like resurgence and uprising

The moon tug was nice, though the bombers were just B1 Lancers with beefed up engines.

I never had a problem with the look and design. Not much of a solace in this catastrophe of a film but yes, the ships are cool.

The mothership's main energy cannon is especially cool when its charging up to fire

@@chrysecreative5575 I think that's why they look so good. The jets have a lot of advanced technology, but they designed them to resemble modern aircraft because that's what everyone's used to.

I very much dislike the fighter jets

i mean star wars didnt see it coming

@@3takoyakis that wasn't quite the same thing in my opinion

i mean to their defense, they really had no option lol, either they get sniped away, or they try to commit bombing

It's not like we already did this to them once anyway. It's a completely new tactic!

Could’ve at least used some fucking cruise missiles

Collisions*, but yes

they did this for more entertaining effect

bro its a fictional movie.

@@samueljoslyn3958 yes ik

@Firefox13A ah, thank you for the spell check lol.

same reason everybody's face is exposed in the Avengers movies. Screen time with your mask on doesn't count

just like those pilots always took their oxygen mask off and talk in "Top Gun"

Lol same reason why main characters usually dont wear helmets in medieval themed movies

The face is everything for actors.

it's a me, mario

to what kind of theme park's do ye go to, jeez.

What’s wrong with the music?

Yes that old timey 1950-60s superman batman sounding crap.

The next step up to fighters and small craft would be something along the lines of Raiders, Frigates and Tactical Escorts, like a Klingon B'rel Bird-of-Prey, the Romulan T'varo Light Warbird, and a Federation Defiant-Class Tactical Escort (ships along the sizes of the ones listed). I'm using Star Trek and Star Trek Online references, btw. I would think that the firepower of a Klingon Bird-of-Prey (Disruptor Dual Heavy Cannons) would have a little more punch than what a fighter would have. They'd have a bit more range than the fighters, and could take out those massive turrets. Plus, the ships mentioned would also carry shields strong enough to tank the turrets for at least 3 minutes. Larger ships (such as the cruisers), unfortunately, would be too big to enter the atmosphere to engage the colony ship. Unfortunately, this is treading into cross-universe territory. With that being said, I would love to imagine the USS Defiant diving in and doing a full Phaser Quad Cannon barrage as it flies by the turrets, and evades the majority of the plasma bolts fired at her.

you wanted them to attack with tanks lol

@@TheMrRexsmith At least with something a bit less squishy and with a bit more punch.

I thought it was good. Its sucked will smith was not in it but that was will smiths fault! Screw you will smith!

I'd second that ...

@@liamloxley1222 Completely agree. If they wanted our core. They could have set up a defensive parameter, drilled, and extracted our core before anyone even understood what was happening. They win without firing a single shot. It was nonsense. I did however like the re-imagined washington, DC. But that was about it.

are any of you on this thread a director, producer, actor, ect???

@@jacksullivan6468 I don't need to be one to criticize a movie. Heck, they would be more bias to give them a good review. I own them NOTHING.

yeah that's not how commercial writing works

@@user-jt5vm3mi1w ??

@@arbiter8246 Hollywood makes its money by "raising the stakes", on everything, always, no matter how stupid it is

@@16minutesinspace because otherwise audiences criticize films as just being repetitive, and the film suffers.

@@Shadowkey392 Tell that to the John Wick films. You can do the same thing in a different way, especially when it's a flashy action movie.

I had the best sleep during Terminator Dark Fate and then again during Rise of Skywalker.

Both of you are relatable 😂

Like Pacific rim sequel. The mummy 3 and Indiana Jones 4

I watch the first one in 1996 awesome movie. I thought this one was good wish they would come out with a 3rd movie.

@@jovanlopez5284 and ghostbuster 2016

@@haechiwr that one is a reboot. But true, it shouldn't of been made

I hate this movies cgi, like this cgi is made in china l think.

IKR? I want a toy of one so bad! 😍

It is the most aesthetically pleasing earth fighters in any movie so far.

@@TurnAGundam Apparently we were going to get one but since the movie tanked at the box office it was cancelled.

No. This needs to stop where it's at. No more movies.

@@Amp661 They can continue it via a comic book series or animated film. Live action is pretty much out of the question given how this flick bombed.

Alternatively we can all rewatch the first one and pretend this movie didn't exist.

@@MrSpy13011 What's wrong with it? I loved this one!

@@Amp661 no, we need a conclusion, stop hating what's good.

When they took down the ship in the 1st independence day they got alien technology. Now in independence day resurgence they got alien technology and its not an air force base its a base ran by the earth space defense, Which is pretty cool.

Their

Yet still, in the first 10 minutes of the alien attack all have been destroyed glfkvkfdööd

@@alperendogan6062 I mean the aliens also had 20 to prepare

Their*

The original used both practical and CGI.. Just look up how they made the exploding cities and White House scenes all miniatures. This movie is all CGI. It immediately shows

I think you need to see more present day game cinematics then, some of them are more movie-like than movies…

@@thegreatjedi309 the movie sucked..period. and no i'm not a hater..and i'm not jealous of their success.

@@myroo7572 It could've been so much better, especially given how long it took to even get a sequel.

Acs Combat CGI better than this

Thank you. Hollywood does not know the difference.

The trap was luring them in to catch all the bombers in one swoop and disable them, and block the bombs in their own shielded envelopes. You saw, all the landed craft that were just sitting there doing nothing and they just LET them come in close.

@@Piemur1 A trap is intentionally deceptive. A defensive system is just that, defensive, which by definition is something you expect from someone you're attacking. If you break into someone's house and they shoot you, it's not a trap. Likewise, you go into a fully operational enemy base and get shot by the guard, you weren't trapped, you just weren't prepared.

If the Emperor deliberately let you know the location of 2nd Death Star and have a huge fleet waiting for you, only then you can shout "IT'S A TRAP !!"

@@whatevera5998 yes, this was just "let's charge the front gate without any cover then act surprised that they had a defense system. It also made no sense. If they have shields that can contain an explosion that close, then following the I verse square law they could use a weaker shield to protect the inside of the ship. Also, having your shield generator INSIDE the the erosion is how you lose a shield.

I agree, the lines couldve been better and the action sequence here couldve been more comprehensible but it just ends bout like three minutes in

Also, in promotional videos, an f22 raptor is shown. An aircraft that can take an emp. Wouldn't tech have advanced enough to allow an electromagnetic pulse to not do shit to it?

@@mahmoudsalaheddine8358I don’t see any reason why the aliens wouldn’t have tech advanced enough to bypass emp defenses

@@jsphlml Moreover it's not clear that it was actually an EMP; just something that could produce the effects of one.

Just had this thought the second before I saw your comment.

Look like SU 50 but is alien ver

F-22 Raptor with alien repulsorlifts slapped on

@@binhduc1182 they combined Russian SU50’s and American F-22’s if I remember right.

There was a deck cannon on the D.C city destroyer that destroyed the Welcome Wagon in the first movie, but as you said, the aliens in the first movie was just a reconnaissance/mining op, and thus brought the bare minimum, but seeing how well Mankind fought back, they took it as a literal threat, and prepped for retaliation with an actual fighting force. I WANT to like this movie and I dig how each side faces off stronger than before, but it feels rushed and Ike a video game.

Wrong. This is supposed to be the mining ship, the one in the first film was the military.

@@buragi5441 pretty sure the one in THIS film is the military ship, I’m almost certain it’s brought up at one point in this film, that the ones who came before were not outfitted for extensive combat, and so only had the bare minimum of military equipment, a far cry from this ship, with point defence guns.

@@commandercritic9036 Probably because they didnt attack the mothership in the first movie, so we dont know if that one had defenses too. Remember in the first movie the City Destroyers were the ones being attacked by the humans, but the mothership was in orbit. In this one, it's the mothership the one that descended to the planet.

@@Saiyan0X hmmm, okay you have a point, but I would say the very reason that the first mothership DIDN’T descend to the planet’s surface is yet MORE proof that the first wave was a mining expedition (with military personnel along for the ride). And even if that was NOT the case, it is clear the first mothership was more vulnerable than the second, being a different design, so even if it was military the two waves had different strategies. The first was patient and calculating, aligning everything up just perfectly, before a sudden and decapitating strike, designed to cripple the leadership of the natives. But for this strategy to work, you need to hit lots of different places at once across the globe, so a single ship isn’t gonna cut it. So instead, the mothership releases a multitude of smaller vessels (which also happen to be the vessels they’ll use to mine later, I mean, make the most out of what you have am I right), to carry out the individual strikes. As David explains in the first movie however, this requires that all the ships be able to communicate with each other, even on opposite sides of the globe. The Mothership is the hub for this communication, the aliens hijack our satellites, sending messages up to them, which are then forwarded to the Mothership, which sends them on to a different satellite, so as to reach the intended recipient of the message. There’s a fatal flaw in this strategy however. If anything happens to the Mothership, all of the City Destroyers are suddenly cut off from one another on a hostile planet, which of course is exactly what happens, and as a result, the remaining City Destroyers turtle up and begin calling for help. With this is mind, it makes a lot of sense, for the first Mothership to stay in orbit, where its more difficult, if not IMPOSSIBLE for the Natives to reach it, I mean, why risk dangling your Achilles Heel where the enemy can strike it? Knowing this, it’s then logical to assume, that because this PARTICULAR force of these aliens, specialise in a strategy that keeps the Mothership out of harms way, it wouldn’t normally need Point Defence, and we don’t really see any evidence for such weapons while following David and Steven (Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith’s characters respectively) through the Mothership. This however STILL does not explain why the CITY DESTROYERS did not have point defence, if they were part of a MILITARY expedition, ESPECIALLY if their the ones taking the risk of putting themselves in the hostile territory. Now the second Mothership, has a completely different strategy, bold, blunt and to the point, “YOUR PLANET BELONGS TO ME NOW!” There’s no careful alignment of assets, no meticulous plan, it’s just get in, kill everything. The second wave doesn’t even have multiple ships, just one great BIG one, so now, it makes sense to have a lot of armour, and other defences to protect the ship at all costs, since it’s going to be in the firing line. Don’t get me wrong, your point is valid, but even if the first wave was military, surely there’d be evidence of more active defences like point defence on the Mothership (for what we are shown in the first movie, there is very clearly none), and at the very LEAST there should be point defence on the CITY DESTROYERS, the ones who are in the most danger. The fact that we don’t see any of that, suggests the aliens are either SUPREMELY arrogant, and rely far too much on their shields and overwhelming fighter numbers… or… the first wave WASN’T military.

Good question 😁

I would guess the EMP disabled the alien component of the tech, which would probably be what powers the engines and weapons

@@thegreatjedi309 which also makes sense they likely developed those in response to them stealing an alien ship in the first film

I agree, i enjoyed this film

The plot is far too messed up to think about rationally. We have been saturated with too much alien stuff over the last 20 years to where we can point out flaws that 1997 viewers would have never thought up.

Agreed. The writers can take a hike, the Concept artists and the CG Department take the cake.

Nice reference but yes drink would be nice

That's why the movie felt a little different if will didn't make it through because of suicide squad

They thought the guns would be enough

True, but missile and guided missile won't do much if there's shield and point defense guns, plus, that EMP traps

Yeah. This could've been a decent sequel if released between 1997 to 2000. Hell, it could've worked at his time with some small tweaks, even if Will Smith said no: -Jake's character should've been David's son. To swap the roles of the action duo in the next generation. -A way longer battle for the Moon, still ending in Earth's defeat. -President David Levinson. -Forget about the Queen for now. It sucked.

😂 Man this sucked

Agree

Lmao atleast FA was in the same universe.

The original used both practical and CGI.. Just look up how they made the exploding cities and White House scenes all miniatures. This movie is all CGI. It immediately shows

80-90% practical FX enhanced with CG in the original. This is a bunch of video game CGI.

The explosions in the first movie: cities, fighters, planes, were all EXTREMELY satisfying.

Nope. I'm glad it didn't

Never say never. Even with this film not doing anywhere close to what the first film did money wise, the third installment could happen in another form. I'd prefer an animated film to finish the trilogy.

No. It sucked in this and it will suck on the third. Leave it alone.

Rly...

What is even the point of this comment?

@@jackcr2477 well NOBODY ASK YOU

@@Sahilprakash1999 Do you think somebody asked you to copy a random quote from a video and comment it for no reason?

@@Sahilprakash1999 kid

It's already confirmed they just want the resources like minerals so they honestly should just chuck asteroids at the planet and kill everyone off. Way easier if you ask me.

Their ship would break into pieces if they tried that for real.

LOL ironic considering that might’ve ended the film

😂😂😂😂

also remind me of the SU 57

maybe they have a low stall speed (the point where the wings stop producing aerodynamic lift)

Just change the title and thats fine.