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You guys got AdMech'd ?

Good , dark angels are always overpowered, would be good for them to be poor for an edition or 3

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@@alanrickett2537 lol ok so you just started playing during 9th and couldn't beat the king of the mid tables. Good to know.

nah, they just love to make people buy extra models $$$

and it was good too because apparently Bladeguard are just a superior unit in every single possible way

​​@@emdeo on the defensive, sure But they pack a massive charge punch with a chaplain for +1 to hit AND wound. We should also wait to see what rule changes the epic heroes get with the codex; asmodai might be a beast with them

@@william9557asmodai doesn’t give them much. Reroll hits in melee. Honestly these guys would probably go best with Azrael for the invul

That would make sense and be like wow release. Instead we got the primarch and then these lads. Well I take it anyways

They definitely play against a DA player, and it looks like they've been losing a lot...

They don't, they let all their play testers go in mid way through 9th edition

​@@dragonling748it shows.

@@SAMcGarvey1explain how they massacred AdMech then😂

Warhammer isn't really meant for matched play.

fat nerd across the room: *slams fist on table* "HE DIDNT FUCKING SAY THAT!"

Then he died

Stand Proud Emperor, you’re strong. - Horus Heresy. I wonder if anyone here will get this reference…

It’s like modern movies, they literally tell you in long exposition what’s going on instead of visually being able to tell a story.

Horus accidentally a whole Heresy

That's exactly what I'm doing with them. Leading SB squads

Even have a vow of silence thing going

Totally

Many of the Sword Brethren don't even carry swords! These guys at least got that right.

Or at least 5 toughness. Their shoulders look like the heavier style that comes with t5 for regular primaris like heavy intercessors, eradicators, and captains in gravis armor. Plus they have a some extra armor plates on their forearms and hips.

I’d say give them the Ap and a 2+ save show they are wearing some of the best armor in the chapter despite the milllenia passing since they are Hersey era dark angels heck if they tossed in toughness 5 they would be excellent even at that cost with our Grandmaster Azarael

Lol I love how much people are crying about the changes and new models. How do you guys deal with unexpected things in your life? Do you fly off the handle every time? Seek therapy. evolve or die.

Well it's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter at all. What else do you feel the need to complain about?

​@@joheric8886you ok?

@@joheric8886 pretty sure he said he "thinks"....as in he was stating his opinion. If you really have to be this edgy over someones opinion then maybe head back to the /r atheists forum or does that euphoria not work there anymore?

Just like the dreadnought sized nemezis sword of a GK NDK.

There is little to no consistency between the stats of a weapon and it's visuals, unfortunately.

AP-2 is pretty rare now.

@@davyheijlands1956 Bladeguard have AP-2 D2

@@davyheijlands1956 normal power fists?

Fuck that maybe ap 2 but they don’t need all those things just because they are deathwing. Should have just been all one codex for marines and then we could skip the whining they all inevitably do when their “special factions” isn’t better than the regular marines

Def don’t need all that. The ap needs a bump but making them just flat superior to the bladeguard ain’t it. They really should try to be a closer analogue to the black Templars sword brethren. The sword brethren are like deadlier but less defensive versions of bladeguard, which is what I feel should fit for the companions as well. Maybe not as killy as the sword brethren, but should be better at dealing with character units. If you want a unit that has all the best statistics possible for elite infantry, just play custodes lol.

Just remember, the more you cry about things you think should happen while having no agency to actually enact change fill me with joy and pride. Keep crying about things subverting your expectations. It's gold and reddit loves this.

You need The Emperor's Peace lol. @@joheric8886

I’d just make them general purpose bodyguards. Give them 5+ FNP as long as a character is attached to the unit, and change their weapon to A4/Ws3+/S6/Ap-1/D2/Heavy, Dev Wounds

Never forgive a crap codex!

It's terrible for multiple reasons and ultimately sucks for both standard marines and divergent chapters. For divergent chapters it's because of what you mentioned. It makes it less likely for GW to pay proper attention to the codex unique detachments and their internal balancing. It also makes them less uniqur. It's worse for regular marines though, since now their detachments not only have to be balanced around their own roster and interactions, but also other ones. If it's broken for some other chapter, you end up with a no-win situation. It's extremely poor game design. This is true for most souping rules, as it creates problems for the faction that the unit it originally belongs to (being nerfed cause it's problematic in another faction), but also for the faction that soups it in, as core issues sometimes require you doing so (which then aren't addressed). Perhaps it would be fine if Gladius was generically allowed for all divergent chapters, but it would be much healthier for everyone involved if all the other detachments in codex space marines were limited to that codex.

I agree. These should replace blade guard not be an extra

I'd rather put azrael with them for the 4+ invul

Asmodai with bladeguard

Hell no. I hate what they are doing making stuff hordey but 9th was the WORST 40k since 6th. The end was just so atrocious. Outside of being a competitive scene player running weird souped lists it was horrible at the end the codex creep was the worst ever witnessed in warhammer with the ignoring invuns and healing rules etc

I'm going to use them to grind into plastic dust and snort.

😂

@TheWardie88 like, are we taking crazy pills or are they? Do they not understand what the unit is, and just try to force in rules? DW knights, sword s6 ap 2 d1 / Mace s6 ap 1 d 2 New great sword unit - s6 ap 1 d2... wat? Like, WHAT?! Who the fuck approved this? On pure visuals alone, hell drop the attacks, go 3 attacks at s6 ap 2 d2 and I'm so much more pleased then this bullshit. It's not even internally consistent in the application of its rules to weapon types. What's next, our big Plasma Cannon is ap -0 gives target cover? Like holy fuck, I'm not usually a get mad at rules guy, but I've played this game as a dark angels player for 22 years, and I'm looking at switching to guard.

Good. Why should Divergent Chapters be superior in every way? They get the most attention, have the most unique datasheets, their own Codices etc. The rest of us aren't even subfactions anymore, but simply the inspiration for a detachment that anyone can play as.

@@matjov who the hell said they should be superior in every way? Take the sternguard, take the Vanguard, and give me back my superior terminators and bikes. Second of all direct your frustration at GW. None of the divergent chapter players wanted your own flavor to evaporate either. I get they wanted to pair thing down, fine but this is lazy what they did to us and the more codex compliant chapters. We all lost character.

@@r.j.macready fair enough, but at least you're getting new models. Meanwhile Salamanders weren't even allowed to keep Brayarth Ashmantle.

If they are 105pts then they’re basically the same per model as Terminators, for a unit with AP-1 weapons and no invuln save… brilliant stuff from GW

Buy them and proxy

That's still a lot of wolves

@@AnalogBass Yeah, and the DA are still Arrogant pricks, Nobodys giving up their entire personality.

I remember people making the same complaints about the necron previews and they seem to be doing fine so maybe let's wait until we have book in hand before doom saying yeah?

The codex is alright, my problem is that the only way they'll probably make it balanced is by cutting points, and everyone is sick of horde space Marines ​@@snowconesyrup2698

@@snowconesyrup2698 the full codex has leaked, it’s very bad news

@@snowconesyrup2698 somebody leaked the entire dark angels codex, all the datasheets are either the same as the current index or they’ve been nerfed. There have been absolutely no improvements

@@snowconesyrup2698But preemptively complaining is so much fun

ap1 is the WORST ap value to have in 10th my dude. You're paying points for an AP value that gets immediately invalidated by AOC, which is absolutely everywhere. AP1 on shooting is even worse because with the prevalence of cover it essentially creates the same issue just without your opponent having to play the strat

They could have made them glass cannon character buses that would use transport but with 3-6 unit size, Impulsor is not really good for them.

To be a glass cannon they would need to be able to deal damage first. Im skeptical of their profile. Only hitting on a 3+ feels bad, then there's the loss of AP@@SZUPERhun

@@jonathanmalone1943 Yeah it's a shame. Both compaions and knights are a joke in terms of damage and they are overcosted. Though cost can change but even if they are cheaper, they can't be cheap enough to compensate for their low damage.

The only hope is to have good strategems, that the points costs of competitor units go up (ie bladeguard), and perhaps even that some of the character buffs have changed for the better@@SZUPERhun

Consider for the same investment Azzy could be leading Sternguard who bring crazy dakka with his sustained 1 and the deathwing vow bonuses

Yes

Steel is not strong boy, the will and hand the wield it, that is true strength.

@@piercebrosnan9528 fair, and who knows their unit ability might do awsome

The fallen proer are still chaos marines. These are dark angels that wrere just in the wrong place at the wrong time

These guys are no longer Fallen, they've all been personally judged and found redeemed by the Lion himself. But that doesn't mean the rest of the DA chapter has to like them. The Fallen angels who drank the Chaos kool-aid are still Chaos Space Marines.

They were purged by the Inquisition for being heretics.

The video says 3/6

I think they shouldnt buff the factions that get codexes, they should correct balance issues and offer more unique playstyles. the nerfs are heavy handed in this case but saying all factions that get codexes should be better just leads to imbalance in the game and is why 9th felt so cluttered in the end

@@martinfllan9163 They should buff that are weak to have more competent playstyles and buff alternatives to must takes (or nerf the must takes if they really are that strong). They just kept the index rules that everyone knew most of them are bad. They should have changed the index detachment and some of the characters rule wise. Now they will stay weak for the whole edition and they might get points reductions but nothing else.

After 9th editions powercreep, seems like 10th codexes tend to not be straight buffs, more like side grades or nerfs. Which is quite funny how everyone didn't initially believe GW promise of getting rid of rules bloat which actually happened, then expected cycle codex powerup is gone as well.

9th edition after AoO was my favorite state of the game. The nerfing when codexes come out just needs some changes to your outlook. I can’t wait for the eldar codex because I don’t play them! But -1ap sword is so bad

@@SZUPERhunthis codex was gonna have been written and likely finalised before the index came out, too late to course correct now… And they’ve already shown they are willing to do major changes to detachments outside of codexes, case and point death guard actually getting a detachment ability. No reason to assume they’ll suffer for the whole edition yet.

The problem is that apart from everyone and his dog fielding 6 of them + Azzy, there is no point in using them. So unless you WANT to reduce your army's power...

@frankterrian339 at least dark angels have something that is an auto take, I play death watch brother...we ain't got a shiny turd of a unit that immediately people think of when they hear "I play deathwatch"

And I didn't even realize we were that good to begin with!

Could be another unit made from the box.