VERY nice plan! Hope you get to do it sometime :-)

I love love love the look of a moots and many others, but I'm pretty sure other builders can build a comparable product for $1,000 or even $2,000 less and you'd never know the difference in a double blind test. And nor would a testing rig record substantially different results.

Please note we are delivering our bikes to customers on average in 4 weeks and in some cases, even faster. These are hand built products with an incredible level of quality and we believe this is an investment you'll always treasure.

Brent Whittington I don't argue that. I still believe that you get what you pay for and these bikes are no exception. High end stuff.

cheaper than an SWORKS built by a 13 y/o boy on the other side of the planet....

@@brentwhittington1184 Moots prices their bikes as though their Ti is far superior to the rest of the world.... the labor cost is not that much more to produce the frames. Moots is just a boutique company that is great at using marketing to sell people on a dream

@@endebtedone Stonier and Mosaic are about the same price. You pay a lot for an American made bike that is made by small shops.

im getting the same feeling! ^^

hahaha

no moots are overpriced

Wow they are moots.com/bike/farwell/ $7900 plus shipping I am sure.

KZfaq Comment Guy it is all just marketing saying carbon fiber is stronger. They don't test impact. They test load

Not only that, but the quality control of metal tubes to carbon monocoque frames is not even close. To this very day, the inside of carbon monocoque frames look quite bad. Resin pooling, voids, and delamination spots are the norm. I love that carbon can be shaped to tune aero qualities and comfort, but there are 3 main downsides: 1. Impact resistance is not great. Crashes, whacks from dropping the bike or things dropping on the frame, stones hitting it, etc. can cause damage quite easily. 2. Abrasive resistance is practically nonexistent. Only the toughest resins designed for breaking surfaces address this on aero carbon wheels. But the frame can be critically scratched. Cable rubbing, shoe rub, and laying down a bike in gravel will eat away the frame quite quickly. Carbon racing wheels for cars might employ different protective measures that bike frames simply don't have. 3. Quality control. Who knows what's in the inside. Often, it's not good. Over-engineering is used to cover for layup abnormalities. Carbon is strong and light and reduces vibration, but I like carbon fiber for large applications that can cover for it's lack of toughness. i.e. aircraft wings, drive shafts, large tubes, etc.

Guoenyi hey there, guy from 2 years ago. In case you still wondering. Aluminium is the lighter (less dense) material, however it is also less sturdy. Therefore, More aluminum (thicker tubes) is needed to make a bike frame, than it is with Titanium. Therefore, a Ti bike is about 5-20% lighter than a comparable aluminum frame, while the Ti frame is also a lot more compliant.

Steel, but all depends on the alloy composition. Steel is the softest, but if angles are steep in seat tube combined with stiff carbon fork, then it's all the same. Benefit of titanium over aluminum or carbon is aluminum fatigues over time (long time, but typically the cheapest) and carbon can be awesome built in custom ride quality and does not take well to rock chip or falls and can end up a cracked frame. Best part about titanium bikes is durability and retained value. For example, my 2001 litespeed tuscany frame sold on ebay for 900 bucks this year, and I paid same price for it 4 years ago. It was a very comfortable ride, but as I got stronger, I wanted something stiffer.

Oh boy. and you'll soon realize that carbon is sure stiff, but you'll always be thinking about that Ti frame.

I have 2014 Specialized AWOL steel frame and love it. uber comfortable with a Brooks saddle and can ride all day. I've ridden a few Moots and Black Sheep and see the appeal and would love to have one but for the price of just the frame I'll pass for now.

the Frosthammer was their fat bike but they seem to have d/c'd it.

Titanium is the 9th most common element in the world. It's the blending it with aluminum and vanadium and working/welding it that makes it costly. If titanium could be shaped easily. Forget about it, only pros and sponsored riders would use carbon/fiber. Everyday riders would opt for a titanium aero frame that would last a lifetime. It could be tuned for comfort as well. The truth is that carbon monocoque frames are still quite bad internally in terms of quality control. Excess resin pooling, voids, and delamination are quite common.

It's dug out the same place everything else is dug out. It's mixed with the other ores and stuff and the what not. No there are no titanium mines. Well maybe, hell I don't know.

you answered your own question... it would lower the cost.

yeah but just wait until you get BB creak.