Kinda crazy how cheap Intel Macs are becoming, but are they cheap enough to justify buying one over Apple Silicon? What do you think?

Some neighbors threw out their "broken" Mac Mini from 2011. I took it home to tinker with it. And it booted right up. It is fully featured with i5, 16 gigs of RAM, SSD and HDD. Rather impressive for a free Mac.

"Looks like Intel happened" is the BEST quote I've heard in the past 6 months.

I understand the effect. Especially if you lived through the PPC to Intel transition, you know that Apple has no problem with quickly forgetting about the old. The performance doesn’t even have to be all that bad, but when software support is pulled, quality of life with these machines goes down significantly.

Can't wait how the price of the 2020/2021 27" Intel iMacs or even Mac Pros are going to be when the Apple Silicon Versions are out for a while!

I recently watched some of your older content, it's amazing how much you have improved and how much better your videos look now compared to 2 years or so ago. Keep up the good work!

I was very close to selling my 16" MBP. Then I changed my mind. It does what I need it do, and I don't want to get caught up in the "get the latest hardware" hype.

I was waiting for this kind of video from you. I also noticed the decrease of prices for all intel macs on ebay. Looked through that after a couple of days after the presentation and now it is what it is.

There are always use cases for Intel MACs. Running x86 Windows for Virtualization, Bootcamp, mission critical apps that hasn't been ported to ARM, etc ... If the price is right, it makes perfect sense. Intel Mac still has it's uses in the years to come.

Great video mate. Really interesting

As a developer I know there are still some specific workloads which run either much slower or not al all on Apple silicon. Docker comes to mind as an example. For those cases an intel mac with good specs is still a must have. Seeing these prices so low really is good news for anyone still needing an intel and looking for an upgrade. Great video!

Love all the content lately. So happy the tech drought of 2021 is finally over! My question is do you think a similar thing is likely to happen with intel the Mac mini if Apple comes out with a beefed up M1Pro/Max Mac mini?

Those are my favorite Luke's videos

Thanks Luke, been waiting for this video to come out and already wondering if you have updated your thoughts as of today in terms of the secondary market. As someone who never buys new and is on a budget this is really helpful info.

Amen. We rarely hear “just because a new product came out, doesn’t mean the old one is suddenly not good any more”. But you also support those words by your actions. 👍👍

ebay filtering advice is the best advice for someone looking there for a deal on a used macbook. Thanks!

Luke, in one of your upcoming videos on the 14 inch model, please address palm comfort. I had a 13 inch 2013 Macbook Pro for years and gave it up because the sharp edge below the trackpad always dug into my palms or wrists and made the unit uncomfortable. Is the new model more rounded? Is the deck longer so that this is no longer an issue? I don't live where I can go check one out.

Preordered my first Mac! 14” MacBook Pro, 10 core CPU, 16 core GPU, and 1TB of storage-aka the second configuration option for the 14”. Super excited to finally get into the Mac ecosystem with one of the most powerful machines they made!

very glad i basically swapped my 2019 16" for a M1 Air as soon as i could last November. I even ended up with $1000 AUD in the pocket. You could see straight away it was the right move, even the M1 benchmarks were about on par for half the price.

The 16" is a good machine. Really. Doesn't become worthless because Apple Silicon is so darned good. Glad to hear you say this.

Luke are u gonna do an unboxing livestream to open your new 5 MacBook pros?

Watching this in a Mid 2014 fully spec 15" macbook pro working flawlessly

Luke please tell me what is your view on the new MacBook pro i9. Is it worth investing on it ?

The battery life of the Apple Silicon MBP 16” sounds great! I am keeping the Intel 16” as it still a very good machine for my work.

I bought 13” 2016 MBPr on 2017 when 2017 MBP was released at few hundred dollars off ( I DIY upgraded from 128gb to 1Tb). It is still working perfectly fine for me and serves what I need. Many of us want to get the latest device which makes us vulnerable.

I could see this as a big win for small businesses that use macs. I mean all of my work is done on a MBP 15 from 2016 and it still works just as it did when I got it (after free battery and keyboard replacement) I could definitely see people picking up a 2019 16 inch and being able to use it for a while. Could also just get mac mini's or airs, they are great machines for cheap prices considering the cost of everything else.

That's funny. That listing with the screen issue on that 2015 for 300.00 is still on ebay 8 months later

This is really good Luke! Having the intel macs to at more achievable price a mere mortal can get. A worker or a student that wants to get a mac in general.

I’ve never had a MacBook before, will be buying next year, and now I’m confused as to which one I should go for. The only preference I have is that I like the 16” model better. Any helpful tips for a newbie?

Will the price of M1 MacBooks go down after the launch of new ones coz I am looking forward to buy 2020 macbook

Do you have 15' mac to compare it with 14' and 16' size wise? I have an old 15' MBP and not sure on which size to get, 16' looks bulky to me from the videos! Great content, keep it up.

I always keep an eye on what should I get if my MacBook Adorable kicks the bucket, and right now, my best option would be to just get another one. I would be tempted to splurge on M1 iMac or M2 MacBook though…

Is it better to keep using your Intel MacBooks? Mines late 2018, MacBook Pro 15 inch, 32 GB ram, 1 TB SSD with Radeon Pro Vega 20 4 GB. How long will intel Macs be supported with updates and how long would applications get updated?

Essentially what to take away from this video: M1 kills resell value for all intel macs

I was so happy to see that there were i9 MacBook Pro 16s on eBay with great condition for under $1400.

Yep, that's my daily driver MacBook and I'm typing on it right now. 16" 2019 a2141 i9 with 32GB and 1TB. The price drop really hurts to see.

Thank you this was the video I’ve been wanting to hear about that I pinged u on Twitter. I guess I can finally upgrade my 10 year old MacBook Pro after I save up a bit more next year for a 2020 Intel MacBook Pro!

These kind of videos I love course I mean I love all your videos anyway but these are the kind of videos that made me subscribe to your channel. Made a passion for learning the insides of my computer and realizing that at the time I couldn’t afford a brand new Mac but how you could make a older model feel new again. Not everyone can afford a brand new M1 or Max computer right now. But in time you could get the next best thing and buy That it still has a lot of value and after all it’s a Mac. Thank you for the informative and insightful data. I have a 2017 iMac and I’m in love with it I bought it for $340 and all the bells and whistle‘s already put in it a 1 TB SSD and it has Big Sur On it with 16 GB of RAM it’s perfect for me. I can do my game development search the web download the apps I love and be up-to-date. There is nothing to be ashamed about having an older Mac

I was recently shopping for a used M1. Seems the hype for the (then) rumoured Pro models caused the used prices of the 13" to drop to just a little more than a similarly specced Air. I eventually bought a NEW 13" M1 Pro for £500 off, just a few hundred more than a used Air!

I'm a pro music composer and waited for the new mac PRO (tower) to come out before getting the old trash can cylinder!! Bought two 1Tb d500 128GB 12 core cylinders for $1300 each! Like you say regarding laptops, the power of them doesn't change just because a more powerful machine just came out.

I still love my MBP 16 i9 from 2020. It has a black spot on previous display and the replacement screen is also has some minor uneven color spots. I use it primarily for my 4k video editing for my small KZfaq channel. It's still working great. May be after M3Max or whatever they name it come out then I will buy the new or used M1Max MBP. ^_^

My concerns with an intel Mac and I owned two … is will they run Windows 11 ? I have a 2018 Mac mini with a 6 core i7 and I wonder which OS will abandon me first ? When will apple stop providing OS updates for me ? What about Windows 11 ? Can the t2 chip be use for theTPM 2.0 specification ? Will Apple update boot camp with Mac OS Monterey ?

Luke, i'd like to see windows 11 installed on one of those 2019 MBP i9's. If it worked good it would make a great inexpensive windows dev and test machine and a decent gaming laptop. Thoughts?

New subscriber great content bro

I remember how quickly my PowerBook became obsolete after the switch to intel. I wouldn’t touch any of these unless I was happy running windows. I’d be interested to know if/how the existing M1 prices have been affected though. Might be a good entry point for people.

I bought a 2019 Mac Pro a month before they announced the transition, how do you think I feel lol

I ordered a base model 14" to replace my maxed out 2014 15" and I can't wait to try the Apple Silicon experience! I know I don't need that much performance, but I do need MagSafe and HDMI, soooo... Plus, 14" has to be the perfect display size for me! I find my 15" to be a bit to big to carry around and 13" is just a bit too small for me!

Thanks to you I just find my new favorite MacBook Pro thank you for the video

These videos are very informative. I do video editing on Final Cut Pro. I am trying to decide if I should trade in my 2019 16' Mac Book Pro for the new MacBook Pro, or wait for the updated Mac mini? Will I see a huge performance difference when editing in Final Cut? I paid 3,400 for Intel Mac in May of 2020 ouch!! Apple is only offering 1,400 for trade in

I am kind of in this situation right now. Typing this on my 16GB M1 MacBook Air that I absolutely love. I have a 2019 15" MBP with an i9/16gb/512gb SSD and I'm trying to decide if I should sell or trade it before the value drops drastically. I know it's a powerful laptop but there are other things I am interested in now that I have the M1 Air. I still have my upgraded late 2012 MBP 13" too. I bought the 15" MBP at at a great price so I'm not losing too much if I get rid of it now. Is it worth it though? I don't want to shell out too much cash for another machine but the options are very tempting. New 14" M1 Pro? Refurbed 27" 5K iMac from Apple (always wanted one of these)? Trade it and wait for the upgraded Mac mini to come out? Not sure. I am currently using my M1 Air as a daily driver even though I know that it's capable of so much more. I am a musician that will be using Studio One 5 and possibly Pro Tools on these machines as well as photo and some light video editing. I am also coming from the BYOPC camp and last night I watched Luke's video where he gutted the old 27" iMac and put an M1 mini inside of it. My mind is now blown as I never though you could even work on these newer iMac machines. I am really digging this channel and all of the new and old content.

HI, Luke, I'm currently living in Mexico, I'd like to optimize a late 2013 retina display, increasing the capabilities such as RAM and increase storage capacity as well as change the display since it has a malfunction from fabric. Would you be able to help me on this?

It's def an exciting time for Mac buying! I've got my eye on a new MacBook just not sure which yet. I can't use a 13" so the air and M1 pro were not for me. 16 would be amazing. I'll wait for reviews of the actual thing from you and others before making my decision! Even the lowest spec'd of the new Macbooks will be more powerful than any laptop I've ever had.

A week ago I bought a 2017 13" MacBook Pro Non-Touchbar model from a friend for $200 Canadian Dollars. I love it.

I bought a 16” last year right before the new m1 macs 😑 Should I sell and get an m1 pro Mac, or keep using it as long as I can?

not here in India though… the fully speced M1 Max costs almost like a brand new mid size sedan

so now the time to buy 16inch intel MacBook pro ?

I’m looking at apple refurbished store and a 2020 13” MacBook Pro intel I-core 5 with 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD cost $1699 whereas M1 with 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD cost $1609. I picked the M1 due to being faster, cheaper, able to run iOS apps, and doesn’t have loud fan noise when the cpu is running maximum speed. It is a no brainer.

Still happy with my MPB 15” 2018. Don’t need more power for my computer needs right now.

A good topic would be is it still with buying a cheaper second hand intel MacBook 16 inch or are you wasting your money? I mean I saw a 2019 16 inch i9 32gb 2tb sell for 2500. Almost half the new price.

running with a 27 iMac from 2014. I bought it new, it still does what I need it to do. I don't render video and if I did I would put the kettle on and make a tea. Photoshop and Lightroom run as smooth as ever. Be lucky stay safe.

Am I an exception to the rule? I have a 2010 Unibody Duo on 16gb ram, but beyond Logic Pro, I don’t really do anything beyond what my iPhone can do. Is it worth limiting myself to intel or going M1? After all I still can upgrade my hdd. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Some SW still do not work well on Apple silicon. That's one of reasons for the pricing.

How do you think this affects the intel 13" pro prices? Are they not going down as much?

just upgraded mine mid 2010 on 16GB ram and 512GB SSD, quite good for a long time MacBook models.

I have a 2009 15in MacBook Pro that I use just for school. The problem I’m finding, I cannot find a 2016 Microsoft office to actually work when downloaded on it. I only use it for schoolwork, no gaming, no editing videos or anything. Is there a way to upgrade the older MacBooks without buying a newer one? I do not have the $600-$800 to upgrade to a newer machine. I know there are cheap 11in and 13in machines out there for $200-300 but the smaller screen is not comfortable for me to type on and stare at the screen for long.

This is exactly the video I came to see. I’m about to get a 2019 16” i9 because as much as I want the new ones, they’re just not ready for prime time in my line of work and I’d rather get something that I can use now and then resell when the new ones are compatible.

My buddy just picked up a 2015 13” Pro on FB Marketplace for $200, the only issue was the display delaminating. Apple is supposedly still doing free replacements for it, but even if they’re not it’s easy to just remove that layer so I’d say that was a solid deal!

Will the price of new intel MacBook Pro go down from authorized resellers as well as apple stores?

Still holding out for a 5600m 16” secondhand due to I do a lot of software engineering and virtualization as well as a need for boot camp without carrying another windows pc. M1 pro/max are mind blowing but doesn’t fit my usecase right now.

I’ve ordered a base 14” with 1TB of SSD. I’m hoping to sell my 2016 13” for around £500-600 on eBay. The older Intel MacBooks seem to have kept the value they had before Apple silicon better than the recently discontinued ones.

I just had a look at the Australian eBay entries in a similar way you did. There's a lot of dreaming going on there. I got a 15" 2019 base model for AUD2700 six months after they discontinued from a Deals site new in box, they retailed AUD3499. People think they can get AUD2300+ for 1-2yo ones! I've had a keyboard replacement in 12 months so got a new battery and essentially new lower case. I suppose my only hope is a keyboard failure in the last year of the replacement program and they say "Look we can't find any replacement cases for a 15" 2019 here's a 14" 2023 M2 Pro base model".

I told my 2018 13" MBP last month in preparation of a price drop after new model announcements.

Unfortunately, with this market we now have to factor in (or out) which models have the butterfly keys. Regardless of preferences, the failure rate and repair has to be considered. Personally I would filter out all models with butterfly keys just to be safe.

Is there any chance of bootcamp making a comeback in new Macs??

Although I recently purchased an M1 Macbook Air, I'm keeping an eye many of the 2020 Intel Macbook prices.

I rolled back from a base M1 Mac mini to a 2020 Intel i5/16GB/512GB (open box model on eBay). I got better specs at a much lower price and I can run Boot Camp, a necessity currently. Eventually I'll go back to Apple silicon but at the moment, as good as it is, the M1 just didn't meet all of my needs.

When will apple silicon macs start to show up on eBay

Luke, I really appreciate your videos about perspective of various Apple products! Do you have any sort of thoughts about concept of next baseline model of Macbook Pro (low-tier model)? Thank you! P.S. My guess is: 1) no full redisign, but new pro keyboard; 2) m1 pro chip with low-tier specs (8 CPU, 12/14 GPU cores; 3) 8 gb RAM; 256 SSD at base 4) 1299 $ and I think this update may be in the same time than we see next generation of high-tier Pro models with new M2 chip, because otherwise it may cause a decline of high-tier sales.

The problem with the 16" 2019 Macbook Pro's could be the fan noise.

I remember a long time ago there was something that looked like a keyboard that connect to a TV, it functioned like a computer and it had a game on it with a guy swinging, model 300 or something. A Tandy.

Hi Luke, I love this video. This is the first time I felt I can justify swapping from PC to Mac. The moment they announced the very first M1 I thought Intel and AMD would have to play catch up. If I could give you a little bit of feedback, for people like me who don't know every single model name, it would be great to highlight the Mac you are reviewing in your charts. I'd change the colour of the bar and try to keep it in the same place, unless you order them by performance. It would make it much easier to grasp the chart. Thanks!

Ok, I am actually waiting for some of the used M1 Macbook Airs and Pros at crazy low prices in our local market in Bangladesh.

I've been hunting around too and I haven't really seen them get enough cheaper that I wouldn't jump to M1 instead. Maybe it's because anything from the US tacks on an import fee in Canada and the local market isn't as large here. Unless you want to sell me one of yours if it's near mint lol

How about performance? Compared to the Air or entry Macbook pro with the Intel 19 using apple software like final cut etc? Since their prices are similar. You could be better off with entry level Mac or Air 16gb tam.

16 inch 2019 MBP is an awesome and capable machine. If you can get it cheap - don't even hesitate (unless you have one of course)

An important video for PC users. I like this channel for doing PC videos too

the 5600m was a beast, and if you mined with it, it was THE BEST mining GPU because of that HBM2e, it was basically a 5700XT with a lower power target, but MUCH faster RAM, this actually made it faster in quite a few use cases, unfortunately mining was one of those so it probably drives the prices way too high

Seems like it's a great time for older yet functional fully depreciated machines (12-15) for the prices of anything newer you may as well pinch you pennies or get an apple credit card to get one of the new machines.

I had a quick look and whilst the UK isn’t as large a market as the US there were loads of i9 32GB 2TB 8GB GPU 16 inchers for £2000 - £2500 in good condition because in 2019 no one knew Apple would make there own silicon based shiny things. PS love the ending music, super chill.

All of these systems can be used with Ubuntu/Linux in the future instead of MacOS so amazingly well. They have better battery life than many windows laptop too

Almost bought intel mbp 16 last year. I’m glad I waited…

This is not what I like to hear when I'm about to sell my 16" tonight 😆

Personally while I love the M1 mac’s, I plan to wait a few years for it to fully integrate into apples system. For now, I’m going to stick with my fully maxed out 2020 13 inch intel MacBook Pro, as with its specs it should last me a couple of years before I decide to upgrade.

We’ll it’s 2021 Apple just released the new MacBook Pro’s and I got myself a mid-2015 retina 15” maxed out for $750.

What do you think guys, how M1 Macbooks will hold their resell value? I'm thinking about sell my Macbook Air next year and get new MacBook Pro 2022

Are the PCs upgradeable?

Amazing content as always, Luke! I'd like to share my own story of selling my old gen MBP. I was able to sell my 2017 MBP Non-touchbar 256gb for $800 after claiming all the repairs and warranties from my local authorized apple dealer. They replaced everything from the screen all the way to the bottom case. Afaik, only the motherboard wasn't replaced. It was like brand new after all repairs but I really wanted to go M1, so I got myself a Mac Mini with the money I got :))

You just gave me the idea Luke to look into this. I have a 2011 MacBook Pro and 2013 iMac both aging now. I want something new, but might need windows/intel for 3D printing I’ve been debating just trying a Mac mini but this… may well solve my problem. Edit: yeah these prices aren’t happening in Australia..

Do you think that the M1 MBA will drop in price? Because I think many people have bought it to get into apple silicon and now are upgrading to the 16 inch MBP because this is their desired size.

I just recently picked up a 2017 MacBook Pro Base Model in perfect condition for 450€ (which is a very good deal here in Germany) - I don't need a super powerful machine (because I have my Windows desktop for that) and this is my first Mac ever, so I figured I'd give it a try Very happy with it so far!