Awesome work (as always). Thanks for the video. - Article/video idea: price tracker on next-gen AM5 compatible motherboards and next-gen RAM vs. past gen. I'd love to know when it financially makes sense to jump forward with an all-new build (not an upgrade).

Mentioning MSRP and current market price is a great idea. I don't know why they don't do it everywhere. Great job guys

Happy New Years Adam and Gordon. You Gents are rocking and knocking out some great videos towards and into the new year, THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO!!! And Gordon, all that testing on the other video did not go to waste, it for one, confirmed that i DO NOT NEED to move into Windows 11 Pro, Thanks again.

Currently have a Ryzen 2600 in my build and chose to upgrade to a 5800x3D rather than build a DDR5 rig. All of my work and general use is done on my iMac, so the 5800x3D has been an amazing performance boost for gaming. Especially for unoptimized games like Escape from Tarkov where my FPS jumped almost 50% to 120FPS on a 3060 before I even upgraded to a RX 6800. I think I can easily squeeze another 4 years out of this rig.

Being able to buy a Socket AM5 board in 2025 is a big selling point for me. I usually don't upgrade the CPU, but I have had motherboards partially fail on me (eg audio or USB stops working). Happened on my last I7 system and I had to get a second hand refurbished motherboard. I prefer buying new. Or maybe I need PCI-E 5 slots for GPU in a couple years. I couldn't afford the motherboard with that right now, and there's no GPU's on the horizon that will need PCI-E 5. But being able to replace the MB later IF I need to is super handy, and will save having to also replace a CPU just to support a new GPU.

Very insightful for a general overview, you should do this for amd vs nvidia too

Great video, I am currently studing hardware electrical engineering and was asked to do a project on processors, not knowing much about computers from a performance level, this video helped me very much understand the difference between the two and their decades long rivalry

Really great overview of CPU market. Thanks for that. It helps a lot to plan CPU upgrade and learn about the potential each platform offers.

I ended up getting the Core i5 13600K for $300 and overclocked each core by at least 300 MHz, paired it with a $150 Z690 motherboard, re-used my old RAM and overclocked it to DDR4 4000 with tightened timings to make up for some of the DDR5 performance difference. Overall this might be one of my best upgrades in terms of cost and the performance uplift vs. my previous machine.

Just finished my 13th gen i9 initial setup and burn-in on the test bench and getting it ready to put in my Lian-Li desk later today now that I have it emptied of my old 6th gen/1080 system. My old 6th gen i7 system is going on the test bench (Open WorkBench V2) in the man-cave once I have the new beast up and running in the desk. Moved from a TUF Z170 Sabertooth with i7 and a 1080 to a Maximus Z790 Hero with i9 and an Asus Strix 3080ti....loving the upgrade.

I replaced my Ryzen 5 5600x with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and the upgraded gaming performance experience has been simply AMAZING! As for productivity, I don't do much besides simple internet browsing, KZfaq and some simple video editing in DaVinci Resolve and the 5800X3D is just fine for those kind of tasks. Once those 7000X3D CPUs come out, I'm sure they are going to be hot sellers as well!

currently planning an all AMD AM5 build. Going to be a huge upgrade to my current fx-9590 + gtx 1050 prebuilt. I've been running my current pc for about 5 years, and it's certainly starting to show its age. excited for the new generation!

I agree with Gordon (Usually do) that you should get the chip with graphics especially for trouble shooting. It is extremely useful to be able to plug a monitor into the mb with no graphics card, which lets you know whether you have a mb issue or gpu issue, it's so convenient, for very little cost. Of course the quicksync is valuable too.

I've had 5 amd computers... 4.AM4 and 1 AM5. I've enjoyed being able to easily upgrade all of them... 1 x370, 1 x470, 1 x570 1 B550 and 1 x670e. It allows me to easily pass on my old stuff to family. My daughter has two 12 core systems. She does 3d animation. My wife has an 8 core. I have the 7950x which with the right tuning it's memory is at 59 ns latency and 93 mb/sec at 6400mhz. It boosts to 5800 mhz and consumes 200 watts max. I bought it for 635 euros (including the 19% tax). I paid that for the 5900x in 2020. I live in Europe and electricity is expensive. It's just nice to know that I can drop a new or used 5th gen into the AM4 systems when ever I need to. I may even go to the 3d cache version of the 7950x if the price is right. If I was looking for a mid-range processor I'd probably look at Intel, but at the high end the 13th generation does not interest me or even the low end. You can find a relatively cheap AM5 board now. You can can find cheaper ddr5 6000 memory. I found a x670e motherboard, 32 gigs of 6000mhz ddr5 and a 7950x for 1100 euros. I could have knocked of an extra 100 if I'd gone for a b650 motherboard.

My guy, if you're going to co-host a video you have to contribute more than "Hmmmm, interesting. What else?"

For me, the decision making is simple. Given my modest needs, I buy the superior product positioned in the mid-range which usually always means going with the under-dog. Sure, lots of people make fun and scoff at products they view as "budget" or for "poor people" but I personally love the feeling of owning a PC (or anything else) that performs the same as one with equivalent parts from competing brands all while costing 50%+ less. I take pride in that; I paid way less for the same result.

well, I bought a b660 and a 12400 not terribly long ago, thinking I might buy a 13600k when they came out, which I then did do just recently. I did notice an impact while recording my video game on OBS, where with the 12400 I would experience some frame drops, but with the 13600k they are much more rare, instead of frequent it is once ever in a session. (low resolution, definitely not a graphics card issue). However, that is the only time I've so far noticed any difference, and were I not trying to record my videogame, it would have been a total waste, as otherwise things like chrome, any games I play, etc. already reached 88mph at maximum survive-able g's on the 12400. As a home-pc user, I think you can't possibly go wrong with either selection.

I built an AM4 based pc in 2017, nearly 6 years later im still using it though i've upgraded the ryzen 1700 to a 5600 on the same motherboard. If I was looking to buy again today I wouldn't hesitate to start an AM5 build, best long term value.

Thank you for this video ive learned something. Its really hard to decide which one to chose.

Thanks for the video. How about lower-end CPUs such as intel processor/icore 3 and amd athlon/Ryzen 3? Are they good for light gaming?

I started with Ryzen 1600x then upgraded to a 8 core 3700x 3.5 years later, really happy with the performance and lower power, I missed out on getting a RTX during the 2020 on. The cost and the headaches of a all build is not in the card right now. I am not starving for computing power by no means. A lot of the computer places around me are 80% gone and that has me worried about the tech.

Very good evaluation! Thank You, David

I havent seen the competitive landscape this close since maybe the race to 1ghz between the Pentium III and Athlon. its great to see and will be talked about for years to come. regarding my plans, im currently sitting on a ryzen 9 5900x on an asus rog crosshair viii impact and 32gb of ddr4 3600c14. I dont need an upgrade, but i would be lying if i said that i wasnt considering a 7000 x3d part when they launch

You mention Smart Access Memory (SAM) working better with AMD, but you can enable SAM on a Radoen GPU on an Intel platform that support ReBAR as well. Is there quantitative evidence that this feature works better on an AMD platform vs. Intel w/ ReBAR?

I've been longing for this kind of video for long. Thanks for this

This is good content. I love to see a breakdown of pros and cons.

Wow, guys, it's been about a decade since I've really paid attention and this video is, hands down, one of the best videos that explains the current chip architecture between the rivaling duo

I have a question concerning the scratch issue related to the AMD Ryzen 7 processor that was brought up recently by another reviewer. I don't recall which series exactly. Has that issue been corrected?By the way, I prefer an AMD Ryzen and am looking forward to purchasing one soon.

I'm hoping they release the 7000x3d series soon. I want to see if that is competitively priced.

Just upgraded to AM5 with a 7950x and DDR5 ......awesome performance and looking forward to those v-cache parts!!

What is your recommendation for the following two applications: DaVinciResolve 4K (clips 10-bit / 4:2:2 / 600 Mbits) and MS Flightsim? with GPU 4080 /16GB

Thank you for this insightful video guys. I work as a manga assistant using clip studio paint and lately I've been thinking to upgrade my PC. CPU: Ryzen7 3700x MoBo: B450m steel Legend Ram: 64gb ddr4 3200mhz cl16 GPU: rtx2060ko ultra This PC has been serving me very well but when I need to free transform multiple level or playing around with vectors I come across a lot of stuttering and dead times. I know that clip studio uses mostly a single core and that the GPU is used only when 3D models are adopted. Would upgrade to the i5 13600k help me case scenario?

We are talking here about top tier parts which are only required by a small % of people who have very demanding workloads. Great review! Or for the folks who want to have always have the latest and greatest which gets out dated pretty fast!

Crazy that the "bottom end" intel chip still has 14 cores dude... we've come a long way in just 5 years. My first build was an i7-7700k which was the "high end" gaming chip and had a whopping 4 cores that boosted to 4.7ghz. Upgraded to the 10 core i9-7900X from Intel which OCd to 4.7ghz all core. Just upgraded from that to AM5 with the 7950X and it's been really nice. All that just reaffirms how much I love building computers and seeing the leaps that have been made in core count/clock speeds is awesome!

I built a Intel i5 12400 on a Asus rog strix b660-f (external clock generator) for it's OC capabilities. Intel Arc a770 16gb delivers gaming performance better than expected, specially for the asking price compared to team green or red in Spain.

Straight off to the bat and unbiased, love it! Subscribed!

Another advantage for AMD on AM5 is the gaming performance on the Ryzen 5 and 7 being very similar to that of the flagship Ryzen 9, meaning you don't have to go for the top of the product stack if all you are interested in is the best gaming performance. Whereas Intel typically segments their stack with noticeable deltas in single core / lightly-threaded workload performance. It seems wasteful to me, gaming on a productivity monster, when all I really need is 6 or 8 cores... but I also want the best possible gaming experience. In the past that meant buying an i9, but now I can have that on an 7600X or 7700X.

Missed a comparison of how many cpu/chipset lanes the platforms have.

I just built with a Ryzen 7700X on AM5 and am shocked that no one mentions the slow boots. With fast boot enabled, it takes about 35 seconds to post!

After the new year, I'll be building an editing rig for our videographer at the office. He's using the Adobe suite and a couple other applications that he is familiar with, and I find myself struggling whether or not I'm going to go intel or AMD for the CPU and whether or not I should give AMDs GPU a shot if I go AMD for the CPU. That's assuming that I don't get a Nvidia quadro GPU. The budget should be ~$3,000. The user is insisting that he has 64GB of RAM minimum. While I find myself wanting to give AMD a shot for this rig, I'm not sure if I would trust a stability of an all AMD rig using the Adobe suite.

Why do we have the right guy when the left guy tell every significant content of this video ? :-O

i have Ryzen 9 5900 CPU and Nivida RTX3070 GPU, they seem to pair really well, I've noticed a overall better temperature compared to when i used intel with Nivida.

I went with DDR5 on my i9-12900KS on the newest Z690 Gigabyte board, and thats keeping in mind that i have 128GB of Corsair Vengeance LPXDDR4 on my RMA'd Z390 Aorus Master, I still need a i7-9700K or a i9-9900K (KS), for that setup, its been a rough year (2022), and i STILL NEED a new GPU, have a contest for the new year ;)

I hate when people call the intel chips "sixteen cores" instead of "eight plus eight cores." It gives a lot of bad information for viewers, especially people who haven't been keeping track of the CPU space these last couple years.

I'm waiting on those 3d cache versions. I bought the case,mobo,gpu,ssd's,aio,fans,vert gpu stand,ddr5 just waiting on the release, reviews and price.

Zen4 has built in video output, combined with Eco-mode that is a really low powered cool videoplayer or office machine.

IM on Ryzen 1700 with Vega 64, and the MOBO shorts outsometimes and for some reason the new drivers are laggy on YT. What do I dO? Shall I just get the best of last Gen. Unfortunately I dont want Intel or nVIDIA because I dont like their business practices. Do you think its worth just getting the best of last gen? 5800X3D and 6800XT?

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here with a 10yr old 8350 build and still managing decent 1440 gaming. FINALLY ordered some new parts(5700x, x570 ITX, 2TB m2), technically "last gen" but it was a $300 savings compared to AM5 and I already have the RAM from another build. I don't need raw performance but I'd like to at least get into the current decade of parts. Next up is likely the 7800XT, I tend to buy my GPUs 1tier down from the top and then hold onto them for 3-4yrs. I'm coming from a Vega64(died)->580 from my parts closet->RX6600 bought out of desperation. Sadly, this build is already EOL but I fully expect it to last me another 6-8yrs with a GPU upgrade sometime ~2027-28

Once the Ryzen 5 5600 came out with the same performance as the X with lower temps and power draw... I just got the first AM5 mini ITX board I could match it with and never looked back. The future proof aspect, low heat and low power draw won me over. And since i'm so alienated with the "trusted industry brands" and how the market has evolved the last 2-3 years, I have been sitting on the fence but couldn't really convince myself I had to join the bandwagon. "it's still fine, if it breaks down I'll see". My I7-6700 was/is still going strong for gaming, development and anything I have thrown at it. Even VR with a 1070 gtx was quite decent. BUt it was a quite sightly box that is an eyesore. And, in comparison now, was pretty loud. Still holding off before I get a new GPU, but for my daily tasks the iGPU is performing well above expectations.

Ok, I got a question. Microcenter has the Ryzen 7 5700G for $169.00.. I know this is a last year thing but with Inflation as it is ,What is the most affordable APU computer you can build with THIS chip?

As o0thers have suggested, the 5950x at sub $500 is a nice upgrade for a lot of AM4 users. The 5900x is $340. So you might be able to get a big upgrade for not too much money, depending on what CPU you are currently using.

My question is whether I should use My Z790 plus tuf with a 13600k & 64gb of DDR4 ram (3600mhz) (which I have already) or a 7900x and a B650 Aorus PRO AX (I would just have to buy DDR5 ram since it's the only thing I'm missing. I'm running a 3070 right now but if I go with the 7900x I'm going to grab a 7900xtx GPU amd if I stick with My DDR4 board with My 13600k, I'm going to grab a 4080 or 4090. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Just upgraded from a Ryzen 2700x to a i9 13900k, my lord WHAT a difference.

I went with the 13600k and 3200 DDR4 and since I’m a really smart guy, I turned on XMP. I didn’t overclock the cpu because I’m not a really smart guy.

Was looking at a 7900x or 7950x but the price for a decent board is slightly off putting. Throw in gpu prices in Australia currently and I'll be holding off. Current p.c is still going just fine.

I have gone down the X670e path with a 7700x with the idea of replacing the 7700x near the am5 platform end. Also I have just retired my old intel 2600k sandybridge after 12 years of continuous desktop use to a true nas server So what ever system I went for was a massive upgrade

I personally felt that it was too early to jump on the AM5 bandwagon as with any new platform it needs to age a little to work out the kinks and driver/bios issues...instead I opted to grab the 5800x3d for $349 and along with my FTW3 3080ti I should be able to wait for better things down the road so, in a year or two I'll re-evaluate my upgrade options :)

One thing not mentioned is latency. Intel has better latency overall and AMD has higher data output. May be apples to oranges but I personally prefer the lower latency. Didn't seem to matter much after I got a 905p in each system tho.

I think it's worth noting that upgrading to Intel is currently roughly $200-300 vs and if you have ddr4 and are looking at the lower end of the budget. Amd is more expensive, but you can buy now then buy again at the end of am5 lifespan and you end up saving money

The guy from FrameChasers tested SAM by taking a 7900XTX and comparing equivalent AMD and Intel CPU’s and *in gaming* Intel still pulled ahead.

Any Intel CPU above a 12 Gen CPU I7 - i9 1700 socket should have zero issues lasting through 2025 as well.

Better value with DDR4 but makes less adoption rate for DDR5. Best is both options for the consumer to choose which memory or have it flexible to use DDR5 in future as an upgrade

I think AVX512 is a huge extension and costs a lot of transistors and die area. Since it is not viable to include it in the efficiency cores maybe they sacrifice more silicon hardware for thread director to manage AVX512 multithreaded tasks on the performance cores only. Still a shame AMD got AVX512 support when Intel is dropping it on consumer.

Sometimes I have feeling like Gordon didn't even try to run 13th gen on DDR4. He constantly from video to video present that support as advantage ignoring performance loss that came with that. It's ok when we talk about entry level CPUs (which mostly aren't out still) but suggesting someone to buy $300-500 CPU and then left almost all gain over older generation on table to save $100 on RAM?

I want to go with AMD for the advantage of being able to upgrade my CPU in the future but, I saw a video that showed the new AMD chips take long to boot and get to windows so it kind of got me on the intel fence

Been in the tech world for 25 years now and I can tell ol boy like many of us got some anxiety problems. The faces he makes which is what I do a lot are priceless.

I just got an intel i9 13900k processor. please recommend the best motherboard with the least problems and expansion? The best seems to be a $1000 board really do not want to spend that much. Already putting out $500 for a Radion 6800 card so I can build a dual boot system with Hackintosh compatibility.

Longevity is the biggest reason I'm going AMD. Just built a 7600x + XTX system and will upgrade to whatever X3D chip comes out. What's interesting is over here 7600x was a bit cheaper than the Intel competitor and the XTX was a whopping 400 bucks less than 4080. Edit: typo

AMDs A4 socket has been around for a long time because AMD ensures their CPUs are backwards compatible for as long as they can. But not every upgrade goes smoothly. My previous gaming PC was on a Asrock B450 chip set. At the time the Ryzen 3000 series just came out and were beating Intel processors of the time like a drum. I got the Ryzen i5 3600 cpu plus a cheap AthlonGE just to flash the motherboard. The flashing completed with no issues. I popped in the 3600 and the board doesn’t post. All hardware is fine as putting back the Athon worked perfectly. I had to return the 3600 and get a 2600 which wasn’t what I wanted but it worked with no issues. It was not until 2 years later after a later bios update did I try upgrading to a R7 3700x (5000 series were still too expensive at the time). It works though it takes about 30 seconds to post (every time it starts). The faster cpu vastly improved my gaming experience over the 2500, however there were still some studdering. I recent upgraded my GPU from a Radeon 5700 XT to Radeon 6800 XT. The performance increase was vast but still some of that studdering issues here and there. I figured it could be a cpu limitation again but with my wonky Asrock B450 board who can say it would have issues with a 5900x or 5950x CPU. I was going to change my motherboard anyways so if that is the case why not give Intel a chance. DDR 5 motherboards are still expensive and so are the memory. Really High speed memory really don’t make much of a difference for gaming right now, unless using an IGPU like on AMDs 6900HX systems. I went Intel as i bought an Asrock z790 board with DDR 4 memory support. The CPU I chose was an Intel I7 13700K as I wanted 12900K performance at mid range prices. The 13600K wouldn’t have been that much of an Improvement over the 3700x previously had. The new intel system just makes games so silky smooth. I got 8000 point increase on fire strike benchmark (demo version of 3D mark) vs old system. The only thing is Intel cpu can be a power hog. It can go as high as 253 watts by default and much higher by those who OC. Combine that with a 300 watt GPU. That’s 600 watts. I have measured a max of 611 watts on my new rig vs 450 on my old rig. The Intel processors will also need a 240MM AIO or better. If using air cooling only the largest heat sink and fans will work. The AMD CPUs have a lower TDP of 105 watts save the 7950x at 170 watts. But they too can go higher than that. My 3700x has TDP of 65 watts and I have seen it go as high as 85 watts in games. Still lower than the average of 157 watts the 13700k draws. Still I am happy with my intel build.

Will the i5 13600k work in a Asus Z170 pro motherboard? Currently running a 6600k ?

Does intel also scale down their power consumption more for light computing usage? Most people aren't running full load the entire time the PC is on.

Now another video needed but for laptop cpus and Gus ✌🏼

Amazing interview xD

You missed a few. Ryzen 7k has PCIe 5.0 : Intel is still at PCIe 4.0. Ryzen 7k has display port 2.1. Intel is still on 1.4b. Ryzen 7k has USB 4.0.

I'd say if you're on a strict budget, the Ryzen 5000 series (specifically the 5600 series) is still perhaps the best bang for your buck. It's still a 6 core hyperthreaded (12 threads) processor running in a socket AM4 configuration so still very much an option, and you can find them for under $200 and lowest I've seen is $150 for a bare CPU. Pair that with a nice AMD or Nvidai graphics card and 16+GB of RAM and you have a decent mid-range gaming system, despite the CPU being now about 3-4 years old. Still a very capable, budget, CPU that you could probably install in most computers (including some OEM pre-builds) because it's only a 65W processor. That being said though, since I do graphics work (photo editing of large files) my next build I will go back to an Intel system. I build a Ryzen 5600 system because I didn't want to spend a ton of money and didn't want to invest in an expensive video card (as this was during the pandemic, so I see where AMD does fall short with the Vega 8 graphics versus the equivalent Intel Iris graphics --I believe the equivalent is the Iris Plus or Iris Xe) which seems to have a better performance overall; the photo editors I'm using BTW are more CPU based so video cards are not of that much importance to me using Photoshop, and even Adobe states that high-end graphics cards do not necessarily mean proportionally faster performance in PS and Lightroom. It will just be better than an iGpU in most cases. One thing to note about multi-core performance is that most OSes do support a large number of cores, but the software (applications/games) need to also support multiple cores (most do at least up to 4 cores these days and some can utilitize 16 or more, particularly graphics-oriented programs like CAD or Photo editing software and even some modern games) to gain any benefit when you start getting into the 12+ core counts. If an application is not coded to utilize more than say 4 cores, then that application will not run any faster on a 16 core than it would on a 4 core. Now the fact the OS can run on probably more than 4 cores may help with multi-tasking and may give the appearance of better app performance, but if you look just at the app itself, it may not be any faster. And this is something people don't realize unless they know a bit about programming. Now with some of the modern OSes it is possible to help out apps that are not fully compatible with large numbers of cores through some software and hardware technology that will let the system allocate say 4 cores but make it appear as 1 or 2 cores to an app, so thus improving performance as well (this is sort of what virtualization can do when you have a multi-core system... the hypervisor in a virtual machine / server can give the appearance of one core, or many, to the program, and acts as a barrier between software and hardware.

Gordon knows the word is "competitive", not compelitive, right? Thumbs up for the video. Thanks!

very interesting topic i want to keep it your video but no subtitle we from other country not so well in english but can read english good i hope next video you put subtitle or automatic subtitle from google that will help a lot like on the other side of road wich a lot of sound from motorcycle and cannot hear what you talking thanks in advance

Hi in my case is for general purpose I want to play and virtualization what would be better intel or amd?

I think a huge talking point was missed here; gaming. They are nearly equal in that regard, but the longevity of AM5 vs 1700 makes it a total win now that the former cut CPU prices and DDR5 is getting insanely cheap (regular sales for 32GB 5200-5600 for $100-120).

Closed captioning is an accessibility issue. Why the hell does PC Magazine have it turned *off*?!?

Gordon, those Z790 Motherboards, beyond the intro level boards can get very pricey at the mid--range on up motherboards. I agree though the AMD Motherboards started out way to expensive, it makes considering shifting to AM5 more difficult, when so many AM4 motherboards offer great choices with excellent CPU options at cheaper prices.

If anybody can tell in few words in this entire world, AMD or Intel? Which is better? Without if or buts

I’m currently building a 7900x build got all the components around black friday just waiting on case fans & gpu spent around 3000 CAD so far

One dude gives all the talking points while the other guy just says, "what else?"

Is there an issue of CHECKSUMS when it comes to AMD vs Intel - with the former doing FEWER of them than the latter? Do both of these processors have similar stats when it comes to- gaming and 3D processing?

The best part about all of this is AM4 is still crushing it to this day.. AM4 is the reason why most people didn't upgrade to Zen 4... If you really are concerned about having the best gaming CPU today.. You will buy a B550 Board and a 5800X3D and pair it with a 4090. Facts. Now if You Really are a "Content Creator" you are going to want a newer platform like the AMD 7950X or the Intel 12900K/13900K. All though both platforms are on Par Intel slightly faster in single, AMD will give you ZEN 4 Zen 4 Chiplets and Zen5 probably all on the same AM5 socket so that would be my pick if I had to choose.. I would go all AMD/Radeon.. I did with a 5900X and a 6800XT build about a year ago..

What about non gamers like myself? Which CPU is better? (4K video rendering (and under) with not a lot of special effects, photoshop, etc.)

ASUS X670 Hero with USB 4 and 7950X rocks especially at 105W @37C at the desktop with minimal performance loss (maybe 5%) but runs cool & silent even under Benchmarking stress loads !

I own an 8700k and i want to upgrade but i cannot decide what. 13600k ,7600x or 7700x becouse now prices are strange.

"Hmmmm" "Interesting" "Go on" /Slightly chuckle Guess who I am. 😆

So which is BETTER?

I built my second AMD computer last year, first time using a amd CPU and GPU together. For me it's always been a out the price to performance aspect.

Gordon, you did not mention The AMD new quick-sync equivalent (no clue how well it works) or the fact that most X670 boards (not rare)have USB4 which is compatible with almost all Thunderbolt3 devices. Maybe you were just were unaware.

bought 5800X3D for my AM4 system for gaming and also an i7 13700K on Z690 for productivity.

Strength: We can thank AMD for Intel giving better value/price for their CPUs. Before Ryzen, Intel was price gouging like nVidia is currently doing. One way consumers can help balance the scales is to invest in the competitor so they stay competitive. We benefit from competition in the market.

Two weeks ago bought r9 7950x for 560eur + asrock b650e pg riptide wifi for 250eur and crucial 2x16gb 4800mhz cl40 ram kit for 115eur, because couldnt find any info how ram speed effects gaming performance, found only german review who mentioned that it doesnt matter and i couldn't find reason to pay more than 3x for 6000mhz ram kit for no gain, only gain is on AIDA64, i just tuned crucial kit to 5200MHZ CL34 It handled it at same 1.1v. Main problem i ran into is that asrock board either you use cheap or expensive motherboard when you turn on xmp or expo boottimes is extremely slow, if i use default its like 5s, if i use xmp or tune it myself its like 30s+, from reddit post its known issue and yet agesa update which came week ago didnt help. My 7950x can do negative offset of -30 on all cores, tested blender, cinebench torcher test for hour and played warzone 2 using my RTX 3080 for 12h straight, no crash. Ran into issue day one because my old assassin III didnt had correct mount, they can send it but i need to wait month to arrive it, used backup deepcool beta 200 st cheap 10eur am3 cooler and i only lost 10% in sintetics, in gaming performance was the same compared to AG620 BK ARGB i bought couple days later with proper mount, KEEP IN MIND on ZEN 4 backplate doesnt come off like on previous zen cpus, if you have older cooler with own backplate it wont fit, you need to take out whole bracket which holds cpu itself. SO AM4/AM5 has a catch.

Its no baller CPU, but I am still loving my Ryzen 5 3600. Paired with a 3060ti & a 2 TB SATA SSD I'm enjoying 1440 gaming at 120+ FPS in any game thats optimizes worth a damn.

Full stack of Ryzen X3D are on it's way! Thinking about getting the 12 or 16 Core

Thank you Mr Mackey!

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