Jeff pastor please tell me where trinity is in the bible

Jeff "Chirp, chirp, chirp" Kwaku "Chirp. chirp. chirp" James "But chirp, chirp, chirp" Kwaku "Unless, chirp, chirp, chirp" James "Chirp, Chirp, Chirp" Kwaku "CHIRP, CHIRP, CHIRP" Jeff "CHIRP, CHIRP, CHIRP!" I've learned so much listening to you guys.

@@benzun9600 it's through out the whole Bible

​@@benzun9600 all over its only tgat you choose not to listen. Start with genesis 1v27. How can one personality say let us create? Verse 2 same chapter tells you of the Holy Spirit also present at creation. John 1v1-3 expressly allude to the fact that Jesus is God and Creator

The guy with the beard always sounds and comes across angry. I've heard him in his confrontation with Mormons in the streets of Utah. I do not believe in Mormonism but I find his manner controlling ( beating down of others)and offensive.

@Eternally Righteous Jesus is referring to people being gods of this earth as rulers and judges among other people. Check the definition of gods (plural). You need to understand the context in what Jesus was saying.

Jesus uses this passage as a rebuke to the religious leaders. Psalm 82:6 rebuked the religious of Israel who acted like they were gods, when they were not God.

@Eternally Righteous I urge you to talk to dr james. He can answer your Hebrew and Greek issue. I would not have told you this if I was distorting anything. I believe too that jesus was affirming His deity but the pharisee were trying to kill Him for it. 😁 I understand your mormon so please talk to dr james white if your interested in seeking truth.

@Eternally Righteous I have not called you name and you have started to call name. I have been nice to you please do the same. Go and debate live with dr james if you think he is phony. He talks to Muslim many religious people and they all like him.

I am pretty new to this stuff. I thought there were no Gods before YHWH or after him. Like i said im new ive read parts of the old testiment KJV and recently finished the New testiment last week. But i thought our God said there were no other before or after him. If that is correct im assuming that means we cant be a god.

GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST. what an amazingly lovely story. Aren't you just BLESSED? Can't you just FEEL that when you stop and think over your story , and how The Lord stepped in and did a miraculous work in your life, and SAVED you!?!? Wow your story right there makes even Me feel alive! Glory to God, amen X100. I'm so happy for you. !! :)

This was awesome to read, Christ bless you brother!

So good to hear Rudy... God is amazing !!! I'm an Ex too.... so grateful that I am free of the Moronians !!!

Thanks so much for sharing! God bless you and keep you! I have a question, what does "but once I truly read the Bible"? -BobA

Tell me one doctrine that you were doubtful about? That you thought was not part of the gospel

Or you have an incredible talent for listening and only computing what you want to hear.

​@@ChrisNevaMiss17no, I'm with the other guy. The young Kwaku was talking so much while saying so little (of value or coherence).

@@numarkaz I think it’s so ironic that Protestants use the KJV of the Bible until there views are challenged, then they all become experts in Hebrew. Also, why did Martin Luther alter the Bible to push his viewpoint?

Word vomit as I call it out when I see it at work.

I was thinking the same thing.

One dude debating another dude about which magical creature is true, based off of texts written in the Bronze Age.

​@@bn2870 magic is science we don't understand, you just admitted you know nothing about God.

@@xcritic9671 didn’t know magic is science we don’t understand. Good to know.

@@bn2870 tis a colloquialism

@@xcritic9671 not sure what you mean.

Exactly! Listening to him constantly interrupt, refuse to listen, and throw out random rhetoric without any context was hard to listen to.

@@wretchedpoet29 it was especially hard to listen to toward the end when he was saying James wouldn't let him finish his point while Kwaku was constantly interrupting him.

Unable to provide opportunity to use scripture after being told you don’t understand scripture. A bit disingenuous to provide an opportunity to respond a certain way and then saying not allowing a full response in the way asked

sad. Is the way of Mormons! They love to try to twist things so JS looks better.

Also wouldn’t comment on his own religions books without having them With him. Doesn’t he know or trust them?

Definitely does. Well said. Appeals to the original sin of pride at its very core.

More like do you want to have the blessings I have my son. That sounds like a loving father to me. Rather than I will remain god and you will remain in your state forever, that sounds like what Satan wanted when the had the war in heaven Satan wanted to be above rather than equal. Like god wants us to be equal with him.

@@jplifesong This is not the focus for latter day saints. Part of eternal life is progression.

@@melissanieciecki8626 according to mr Smith. I don’t rely on mr Smith for any resemblance of truth. Sadly millions of lost people caught up in the cult / false religion of mormonism...are entangled deeply in it. Thankfully not me. :).

I'm sorry but yall have this wrong

You’re great for this

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lol

Stalin

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? John 10:34

@@JoshuaTCoe I am Time, grown old to destroy the world

@@JoshuaTCoe context bro. Jesus was condemning them

And 'the words in your Bible are very small,' when Jeff pointed out he didn't know where the reference verse was. This whole 'debate' is like someone wrestling with an eel.

There is only 1 God.

Sounds like when Protestants claim Jesus’ declaration of Peter as “Rock, and on this Rock I will build my church. It’s just poetic” or when James very clearly made the point that you’re not justified by faith alone. And when Luther said this was an epistle of Straw. Interesting how the tides turn when Protestants are held to the fire 😂 Seems a little “choosey” to me.

@@bn2870 I’ve never heard anyone claim poetry for those passages. Talk about an epistle of straw 😳

@@masont2429 well then you should take seriously the obvious claims of the Roman Catholic Church. Peter was the 1st pope, clearly. And according to St. Augustine.

I know! As a teenager I went to the Mormon church in the 70s . Man they hated black people big time

Who won?

The Christians converted to mormonism and the Mormon converted to Christianity

@@qsfoodreview2840 Jesus won. It was Jesus. Which means both of them won. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Go make some money this year, and nobody will care what you believe in.

Yeah that depends on what you mean by Jeff. It's technically not Jeff, it's Jeffrey, and a variant form of the name Geoffrey (itself from a middle french variant of Godfrey, Gottfried). It is most commonly spelled as Jeffrey though. Because the variant is spelt 'Godfrey', it actually means God Free, which means the ancestry understood us humans can be free Gods. Just as the book of Mormonism says. That proves the book of Mormonism to be true.

Tyler hilarious 😂

@@Tyler-no7uj this got to me 😂😂

😂👏🏽

He’s disagreeing with theology, Jeff’s name has nothing to do with this 🤷‍♂️

@Bon Jovi @28:53 -White asks Kwaku some pretty basic questions. -Kwaku directly admits that YHWH is the one who created all other gods. -Kwaku then tries to change the subject because he knows he can't go further without committing heresy in the eyes of his church. It's really not that hard. If the scriptures say YHWH created all things that came into being, and that He Himself never CAME into being, but always was, then that means He is the Ultimate. There are no other gods, in every sense of that word: there are only idols.

@Bon Jovi YHWH is the tetragrammaton. It is the abbreviated name of the LORD Yahweh that appears in the Old Testament. YHWH = LORD most of the time when you read in the old testament.

@Bon Jovi I think you typed your reply to the wrong person friend.

​@Bon Jovi Yeah sorry I should have read the earlier comments. And yes, I do think Kwaku is trying to avoid heresy but 29:14 again, the question is once more repeated and Kwaku admits that YHWH created all other 'gods.' He still, however, retains his position despite the obvious admissions that YHWH is the one who created all things that were ever created. This whole 'debate' is really just White quoting scripture and Kwaku doing his best to avoid falling into heresy. I don't disagree with you that he's avoiding heresy to his church, but it's not that he doesn't know. He has answers ready from mormon doctrinal sources, especially when referring to the interpretations of text that supposedly show that ancient jews were polytheistic (seen several times before the 28 minute mark). He obviously knows his position, and what he is trying to defend. His position remains indefensible though when put to the standard against scriptures that say that God is the only god who ever has been or ever will be.

I just can't wrap my head around why people of color are members of a church that initially didn't like them and wouldn't let hold the priesthood until the one and only true church succumbed to political pressure. Why would you ever join knowing that this racism existed and only changed due to political correctnesd.

I love that “Jeff and James” clearly get rattled by a 20 year old making very basic points.

You misspelled interrupt as "respond to"

Yes exactly, i was surprised at how many times he set up the same straw man to keep knocking it down. In the end i believe he perfectly understood the explanation from Dr White but refused to see it because by feigning ignorance he doesn't have to concede the point. He's young and still learning and hopefully will come to the actual Christ. But i think he should have shown a little more humility when talking with an actual scholar like White, especially when making statements like it's common knowledge Jews were polytheistic and the Trinity doesn't make mathematical sense after being repeatedly corrected. Still an interesting discussion ain't it funny how JW, LDS, Judaism and Islam all use the same arguments about the Holy Trinity.

Matthew 16:16-18

Same hurts my heart for him

I once fell into this camp, as I was involved in Mormonism for 20+ years before falling away, feeling that something just wasn't right, and later in life when I was dealing with a major illness, experiencing night terrors, powerful panic and anxiety attacks, fiery brain syndrome... I was miserable and found myself turning to the Lord, got a Bible (KJV), and for the first time in my life, started to read, study, and pray on the word of God. I prayed and asked the Lord of the Bible, to show me his ways, to guide me to know spiritual discernment. Soon after, I found a true Bible teaching / preaching church, with a great pastor that sticks to the Bible only, and holds true to it's teachings, doctrines, principles. My eyes were opened and I came to the full understanding that everything I was taught in Mormonism was false, and now today, when I look back at where I was, I can't even imagine how I started there in the first place. What I have seen is that the vast majority of Mormons that do leave, they fall into atheism and leave for other reasons that are not spiritual in nature, as in, they just give up and don't even feel like there is a true God, a true Christ (one in the same) and don't know how to digest or accept the Trinity let alone the God of the Bible, and not the God of Mormonism. As I listen to this young man speak, he seems to constantly stumble over his own thoughts, his own beliefs, and continuously sows confusion as he ping pongs back and forth on the terminology he is trying to use, the meaning of the words, and this is the same thing I have witnessed from the LDS leadership for as far back as I can remember with what I call "double talk". When we can go back and look at what prior Mormon prophets have declared, only to have it refuted by future ones, it concerns me greatly as the theme seems to have shifted from "trust in the prophets" to "trust in the current living prophet" and "pay no attention to those dead prophets, because they are not living, and we are, so listen to us".

@@dgmr22 K shouldve shown some Humility??? LOL Are you serious? The other 2 need to humble themselves. Theyre actually gettn angry and combative in attitude... Passive aggression MUCH!!!

They’re both wrong

Jeremy Grogan wow that verse is fire! 🙌🏻 spot on

Daniel Malone Jr. what do you mean?

The Conservative Christian Both Mormonism and Protestantism are false

sKepTicS jUst DonT hAVe tHe spIriT.

This is the pre-mortal Jesus Christ talking. Did he forget that he had a father? "God" is often used as a designation of authority. Certainly there was no other "authority", since his father had given all authority to him regarding the earth. Then Jesus gave up that authority to come to earth and be born as a helpless baby. Then he was crucified, resurrected, and exalted to that authority he once had, on the right hand of God.

@@robertrosskopf4641 No this is the One God talking.

@@zoomervince2457 Why is that important to believe? You can argue for it. You can argue against it. But why is it important to believe that there is just one God? Jesus prayed to "my God". Is his God not a god without Jesus? Or is his God a god regardless of Jesus? Is it important that "god" have just one definition? Or could there be gods of different types? Could the scriptures define "god" differently than modern Christians? Would that be all right? Or would it be the end of faith, if modern Christianity had adopted some false notions about God? What prophet first proposed that God is a trinity? It isn't a word ever used by Jesus or any apostle... so where did it come from? Why is it important to believe in a word that Jesus never used? Would it be a sin to call it the godhead, as it is written in the scriptures? Where does God demand that we call it a trinity?

Robert Rosskopf My friend, there is one God, and Jesus Christ is that God. John 10:30- I and My Father are One. This is two people of the trinity being told to us to be equal by Christ Himself. Jesus also tells us in John 4 that God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth, and The Life my friend. God bless you and Jesus Christ loves you so much my friend! Repent and believe in the Gospel of Christ’s death on the cross to pay the price for our sins, His burial, and His resurrection from the dead, defeating death, so we could receive eternal life!

For starters I believe in the Trinity, but I believe the fundamental issue in discussing the Trinity is all based on how we view God. As a Christian with you I'm as omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. So saying he is the father the son and the Holy Spirit can Logically make sense. But the LDS view of God as a man or Deity that has limited abilities Then believing in the holy Trinity is extremely difficult. You need to first agree on God's "power" or the lack there of

Also the further this goes on, the kid has constant body language of someone who's not listening. He's just waiting for a void to respond to nothing.

I was just recently reborn as well after realizing I really wasn’t a Christian the first30 years of my life. Now withe Grace of God I can now interpret and comprehend the truth in the Bible. I learn a lot from debates and apologists. No matter the denomination, I can tell who is speaking the Truth. It just so happens certain denominations seem to not speak the Truth

That's what all those fake theological degrees will get you. Plus, people call you doctor when you aren't one.

@@StevenJamesPorter maybe it’s Satan talking to him. I think it’s the devil.

What caused you to stop using logic and become a Christian? There’s not enough historical information to confirm that Christianity is right about Jesus and that a God as described in the Bible exists? Like do you choose to ignore the lack of evidence and just believe? Because if that’s the case then that’s okay.

www.alislam.org/book/christianity-journey-facts-fiction/❤️🌹❤️

@@peaceloveandcompassion6185 begone satan!!!

@@christismylordandgod ❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹

I came here and for very confused

You didn't learn humbleness from the arrogant Mormon I can tell you that much.

That was funny hahah

But they can’t…

Nicene creedal Christians like James White also say God is incompressible. Unknowable. Without Feeling, Without Passion. It is just another difference between to true Church of Jesus Christ, and the rest of Christianity - as we believe it is the first principle to know God the Father and His son Jesus Christ. Of course the trinity is unknowable and incompressible because it breaks the dictionary, and math. It can't be described in logical terms - hence it is unknowable. I call the trinity an "it" but really it is a non-"it". Its nothing. Not made of material, which is also another impossibility, and where does this trinity exist? everywhere and nowhere. Again another impossibility. The whole trinity thing is almost 100% incorrect, which is hard to do on almost any subject. And the trinity is most definitely not biblical - its creedal.

Again, Dr. White seems to flex by using comparative jabs such as: 1. being around longer than his opponents, 2. his kids understanding the Trinity Just drives me crazy. He comes across as so cocky. Not humble or kind in any way. 1 Peter 3:15

I think what he meant was, "My kids pretend to."

Exactly! He doesn’t want to know what they believe.

You don’t understand the bible and you deny what The bible says “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:8-9‬ ‭ESV‬‬ and “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭11:14-15‬ ‭ESV‬‬

The demon inside him was calling the shots...masquerading as a "holy" spirit.

both parties in this video are guilty of this

@@Cygnusx2210 guilty of what?

James 1:19

@Anti Anti Mormon tell me your testimony

@Anti Anti Mormon I am a Mormon

If this video was titled "Dr. James White VS Baby Obama".. this video would have went viral LOL! #MadeYouLaugh

@Anti Anti Mormon You never need to protect truth from lies, but you need to protect lies from the truth. Truth destroys lies. So keep your lies protected from everyone because you know somewhere deep down or subconsciously that Mormon theology is built on quick sand and Joseph Smith was a liar and swindled people his whole life. Read a biography on him and his character shines through pretty clearly, he was a huckster.

Fr , they say “ God cursed them with black skin “ like bro how does one even believe this

He just wants attention

You obviously don’t know the history. The prophet Joseph Smith was an abolitionist and the very first presidential candidate to run on a platform of abolishing slavery and treating native Americans with respect. In fact, he was the first presidential candidate to be assasinated and a lot of that was due to racist “Christian” Missourian’s that were afraid the Saints would grow large enough to vote to abolish slavery in their state. The racism entered our church years later after many southern baptists were converted and brought their racism with them. Fortunately, we have removed that remnant from the southern baptists and other evangelicals that joined the early church and introduced the curse of Cain nonsense to the early saints. None of that came from the restored church setup by the prophet Joseph smith.

Brigham was wildin😂😂😂😂

The one and only thing Mormons got right, and they cucked out on it.

The twelve oxen represent the twelve tribes of Israel going out into the world, gathering scattered Israel from both sides of the veil. Why are oxen used? Much of it is symbolic. The oxen are related to the work being done. There is a reason for being under the baptismal font. They carry the work. An ox is a symbol of a good worker. Being a bull that is castrated and tame, you wouldn't have any trouble with the animal working the field. It is meek and obedient. I am sorry that you were forced into Mormonism and that your mother would beat you if you said a word against it. I pray that you may reach the point of forgiving her.

What a wonderful testimony. Live for Jesus my friend! God bless you

I have Family that are Mormon and they are Brain Washed it's so sad, the grandkids were taught this false doctoral Joseph Smith crap since Birth and they are Well Educated people but have 0 common sense!! They couldn't pour water out of a BOOT!!

Praise Jesus I’m a Christian father of a son that I allowed to be baptized in the LDS church I’m so thankful to Apologia Studios for sponsorship of this debate, and I’m the beneficiary of a stronger Christian faith I’m also thankful that my son’s eyes were opened to this false prophet I’ll continue to pray that Almighty God will forgive our ignorance as well as our sin s I’m recently baptized by immersion (probably 50 years or more late) and I’m praying that my son will be baptized again into the TRUE church I’m SUCH a late bloomer

You know that the Temple of Solomon also had a font on the backs of twelve oxen, right? When one is baptized, they become adopted into one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Baptism is a Jewish conversion rite.

Nic Epperson hahaha that was my first thought when the video started.

I wonder who paid for it?

Looks like a Clan meeting room lol

Lol

What's with that occultic symbol right above Jeff's head???

@@thepreacher5934 😂😂😂😂Ikr?! "Pastor Anderson".

Debates are not lectures. He was not there to learn anymore than they wanted to learn anything from him.

@@chancebozeman5171 Yes exactly Chance. I applaud Kwaku. He smiled and remained calm and more at peace than the Dr at least ... throughout. Until towards the end when Kwaku became more on the offence to put forward his view and stop their bullying. The other 2 were like you said... Trying to lecture. One could see them both, especially the good Dr? Becoming angry impatient agitated and even condescending toward Kwaku when Kwaku would disagree ... or offer his own views opinions and beliefs. Passive aggression so obvious. Especially from the Dr... Sad really... Trying to tell Kwaku what he did and didn't understand and even what Kwaku believed. Which is a common tack with evangelicals and LDS Haters. They know our faith better than we know our own Faith lol...

@@chancebozeman5171 There's a rebuttal I have given to the accusations of the LDS Church being non Christian and non biblical. I have answered many such accusations with this simple rebuttal that absolutely no one has come back with an answer for.... Not even an attempted answer or rebuttal yet ... and that because? There is absolutely NO REBUTTAL, WHATSOEVER...!!! and it's been almost 2 weeks now after answering so many accusations on Jeff's threads, with this simple Scripture... I don't think I will ever get a rebuttal because there isn't one lol. I mean we see all the time how different sects can and do twist and INTERPRET scripture to suit themselves. Yes. We see and hear it all the time But this scriptural rebuttal is plain simple TRUTH that cannot be misinterpreted NOR have any but ONE interpretation ... and it totally destroys the validity of any Christian church claiming to preach the True Jesus and or Gospel at all... This one Scripture validates our church as the One and Only ... TRUE GOSPEL AND CHURCH ON EARTH... Simple.. Maybe you know the Scripture I'm referring to??? ;-) Let me know if you'd like to know the verse I speak of...??? Clue??? LOL It's a New Testament scripture... ;-)

@@chancebozeman5171 PS... This scriptural rebuttal destroys any argument against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Validates us as the only Church with All TRUTH!!! Validates ALL our Doctrines, Interpretation of scripture especially the nature of God and the Godhead... I'm actually going to share this with Kwaku as well... As the Bible says... " by their own words shall they be condemned" As Joseph our beloved prophet said ... Christ declared! " they draw near to me with their mouths and with their lips do honour me but their hearts are far from me!!!

moron, if you can't even get the first part right ... the second means nothing. satan did NOT say "eat the apple, you can become a god" satan said "eat of the "fruit" then you can be "like" god, "knowing good from evil." go read your bible, dummy.

@@grayman7208 God Bless you. Hope you find the peace you clearly lack.

@@Johanmiami1 i have total peace ... thanks. my you find the truth. god bless, and good luck.

@@grayman7208 The real Jesus Christ of the true Bible is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Not the carbon copy created by a false prophet scammer who is dead.

@@grayman7208 Funny joke. You cant spell Mormon without Moron.

Perhaps

Jeff and James had to do that because they were losing a debate to a teenager.

@@BoxChildFilmsis this sarcasm? You think they were on the losing end of this debate?

@@cizneerob as an outsider - with absolute zero investment in either side - this grown man is trying to convince an open-minded college kid that some strange, convoluted belief system is easy to understand for 10 year olds. No it’s not easy to understand. Which gives this kid every right to say “sounds different to me!” This dude is debating the science of unicorns. Good for this kid for not obsessing his time with this. Mormonism is just as insane as Protestantism. Just about every outside, secular scholar agrees the Jews had a polytheistic belief system which kind of morphed into a form of monotheism very very late in their history. This is a waste of human energy. Strikes me that these two older guys have to argue about this to continuously convince themselves that their convoluted belief system is written in the sky. Even though there are 40,000 protestant denominations. And why Catholic scholars laugh their asses off at these guys. And I’m not Catholic, but I would be if I believed there was a dude who walked around on a lake and rose from the grave after being buried dead for 3 days 😂

Total agreement.

Won’t happen.

Lol. You guys are funny

@@bn2870oh you who lack little faith. God turned saul into paul. God made the heavens and the seas. ALmighty.

@@meganw9380 good for you.

good for all who recognize this*@@bn2870

Go to a fake school and maybe they’ll give you a fake degree in patience like they gave them fake degrees in theology.

It made me laugh out loud that 2 grown men are intensely arguing a kid who isn’t old enough to drink alcohol.

​@@bn2870you mean the type of kid that the Mormon Church sends out on 2 year missions everyday?

@@h_nt_r yes. That is correct.

@@h_nt_r Yes for sure. While most "Kids" Kwaku's age are out parting indulging in sex drugs and rock n roll!!! Who give up or postpone their sporting and professional careers etc to go serve the Lord without purse or script.... What an awesome example to those his age and even most adults!!! God Bless them ALL!!!

420 hell yea! Smoke weed every day!

13:14 if you wanna skip the intro

lets all flip to chapter 4 verse 20 see what they are telling us LOL jk

Thank you for that. They should just cut the intro instead of having us stare at them awkwardly for 4 minutes.

Soooo glad you did!!!

Praise the Lord!!! I was raised Mormon too and God led me out to HIM!!

Kate Blease, same here 33 years ago. Praise God! 🕊

Boy ?

Terry, what's your issue? Are you claiming Kwaku is a girl? He looks pretty male to me...

So who do you say the winner of this debate?

​@qsfoodreview2840 The Truth is the winner.

​@@qsfoodreview2840not about who is right, but what is right, and that is the God of the Bible. Not the book of mormanosticisnmitis

That kid was completely disrespectful. Just because he wasn't screaming and throwing chairs doesn't mean he was a gracious guest. Mumbling under his breathe instead of listening? Talking over even the moderator when he was trying to clarify. Rewatch it. He was catty like a schoolgirl eager to shout how right he thinks he is. Now go watch the video where he was being a complete herk on another podcast and making fun of Apologia Studios with his friends. Listen as he makes fun of the way the man looks. That's his character. He is not speaking from God. You can clearly tell

@@justin10292000The “truth” in this instance is subjective, none of you have empirical evidence

EXACTLY. ive seen this before in mormon debates when a claim is brought up and then backed up by scripture by one debater then the other debater throws in their claims but can't show evidence for them, and when they are able to show evidence it's a personal interpretation instead of the plain scripture. God did not make the Bible hard for us to understand, why would the good Lord complicate something so important so that we could not understand it? We should have child like faith towards the Trinity and not twist scriptures for our own sinful finite minds to comprehend. if we need help with certain texts we should ask God for help and not lean on our own understanding, when you do try to do it on your own you'll have something similar to the mormon doctrine that at its worse is a misunderstanding and at its best blasphemy.

This is because both of the other debaters did not allow him to clarify himself

Matthew Burns? Wrong! He had lots of time but never used it to do so, more than once they tried to steer him back to him saying he could defend a point and he still went elsewhere

Let the truth be told He was a bit disrespectful but he did a pretty good job defending himself. He did not play by his opponents rules: as is Mormon custom 🛃

Yup. He only has claims and his faith is in the work of man rather than God.

"i just don't believe that" "many many people believe xxx" therefore xxx is a true represent?

José Matias are you saying they are comparable? That’s...blasphemy.

@@bcreel83 no, he is saying Kwaku should be referencing scripture like Jesus did rather than stating his personal beliefs

They said that and give their false interpretation

J K yeah I re read that. José, my apologies for being ignorant. Really. I should have taken a second look. And I’m sorry for insulting and being hasty. I was wrong. I apologize .

He is not a lying man... but every report shows him looking like a man, with head, arms and feet... Paul said that we were children of God, and shouldn't expect God to be gold, or silver or stone. What should we expect? That God is a man like ourselves, albeit perfect and immortal.

@@robertrosskopf4641 How is God a man when in Philippians 2 it says: Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, *and was made in the likeness of men:* It says Jesus was in the form of God, BUT took on the form of MAN, so if God is a man, you are basically saying Jesus is a man who took on the form of a man, and that makes absolutely no sense... if Genesis says God made man in His image, and according to you mormons that somehow magically means God is a man, then why does phillippians 2 says Jesus was in the FORM of God BEFORE He became man, if God is a man? Jesus taking on FLESH means flesh is not the form of GOD, but something different (spirit), notice He WAS in the form of God, BUT NOW took on human flesh (man), THUS GOD IS NOT A MAN. Also you end up butchering Johns prologue and John 1:14, because after all according to you God is a man (flesh), so it makes no sense for the Word to become flesh (man) if He is already flesh (man). Repent of your heresy that God is a man. What a wicked cult, truly sons of satan and doctrines of demons. You must repent of this blasphemy.

@@first_last2740Language is imperfect. Words can convey too little or too much, being subject to imagination to some degree. We think we know what people mean when they say something, but we aren't always on the same page. Trinitarians look at the Bible and imagine that it teaches the Trinity. The members of the Church of Jesus Christ look at the Bible and imagine that it teaches the Godhead. Which is true and which is imagination? And who has the right and responsibility to define the terms? Ultimately, I think it is God's responsibility to define the terms. That can only happen through revelation. We have to go to him to understand what his prophets have written. Otherwise imagination comes into play, and a clever conman can preach a different gospel, and persuade people to believe in the philosophies of men. The definition of the word "Trinity" cannot be found in the bible, because the word "Trinity" cannot be found in the Bible. The word "Godhead" is in the bible, but it is never really defined. The Greek Theotes is translated as Godhead in the confusing verse Colossians 2:9. The subject is given in the previous verse; Paul is talking about the nature of God. His point is that we should 1) ignore what the philosophers are saying(v.8), and 2) that the fulness of godliness was in Jesus(v.9). What were the philosophers saying? The philosophers were teaching that God was immaterial, and that he was more akin to thought. God, as embodied in Jesus, was very material. These are not discrepancies that can be easily harmonized. All of Christianity eventually ignored Paul's council and went with the Greek philosopher's definition of god, the god without body, parts or passions. Then came along Joseph Smith, who saw God and Jesus in a vision, where God introduced Jesus as his "beloved son". Are these the gods of philosophy? The ones without body, parts or passions? Or are these the gods of the New Testament, the Father and the Son that Stephen also saw in vision? So, then, what is a man? According to the ancient song, men are a little lower than the gods (Psalm 8:5). "What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the gods, and you have crowned him with glory and honor." The word "elohim" is usually translated in this verse as "angels", but the word is unmistakably "gods". In Genesis it is the "Elohim" who create the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1). What is this "glory and honor"? In Revelation 3:21, the faithful are promised that they will sit on the throne of God. It doesn't get more glorious or honored than that. To sit on the throne of God is to act as God. Philippians 2:6 tells us that Jesus was in the form of god. Jesus had a physical body. "Handle me and see, for a spirit has not flesh and bones as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39) So God has a physical body, as tangible as mans, just as Joseph Smith taught. Men were created in the image of God(Genesis 1:27). Our form or image is dictated by our DNA. So if you define a man as someone with the form or DNA of a man, then Jesus was certainly a man, and by extension, his father was a man.

Robert Rosskopf your pathetic excuse to reject what I wrote shows in your ignorance of the scriptures and you utter butchery of them. Notice how you refuted yourself, on the one hand you say that the word Elohim means “gods” and yes it does, however words only mean what their context determines them to mean, it’s not a lottery guessing game where we pick and choose whatever we decide they mean. The Bible is CRYSTAL CLEAR that GOD, THE GOD, YHWH GOD, the ONE AND ONLY, created heaven and earth and ALL that is in them. This action of CREATION is ascribed to the FATHER SON AND SPIRIT, notice how these 3 are ALWAYS throughout the entire Bible, not only 2 or 2, and not 4, but THREE over and over and over and over and over again. I don’t care what that son of Satan Joseph Smith said because he should have read that of even an angel comes preaching a different gospel let him be accursed, by the very words of scripture Joseph Smith is a son of Satan. My crystal clear example of Philippians 2 utterly refuted you, as everyone can see your pathetic attempt to answer fails miserably. Luke 24:39 is after the resurrection, not sure if you knew that.... and we Christians believe Jesus does indeed have a physical body, note how you refute yourself again, IF THE WORD BECAME FLESH THEN WHATS THE POINT OF BECOMING FLESH IF HE ALREADY HAS A PHYSICAL BODY HELLLOOOOOOOO???????

@@first_last2740 I understand where you are coming from. You have been taught by mainstream churches. You are unwilling to give up the fantasy that the salesman have sold you. No one wants to admit they are wrong. I get it. In the game of pride, one must never admit they are wrong. Otherwise one appears to be mortal, and subject to error. I would bet that I know the scriptures in far more depth than you do. I notice that you didn't refute even one of the long list of scriptures I quoted. To the average Christian, they are invisible. You don't even see them. Or you translate them to words that are meaningless, and thus diminish the gospel of Christ. Either way, your teachers are false teachers, and you have been led astray. You said "words only mean what their context determines them to mean". There is some truth to that. The same word can have multiple definitions, and one must select the correct definition based on the perceived context. That being said, one must ask why one word is used if a better word is available to communicate the idea. Why select "gods" if one means to say "angels"? Either the author is an idiot, or the reader is trying to change the subject. I believe it is the latter. Men are only a little lower than the gods. IF I just arbitrarily change words into completely different words, then how will anyone understand me? How can I have any hope of being understood? Jehovah (or Yahveh, if you prefer) is the creator, the Father of Heaven and Earth, and he was the premortal Jesus. He was the great spirit, before he was born to mortality, at which point he was no longer god. He was just a helpless baby. He needed milk just like any other baby. He did those things that babies do. He didn't answer prayers or run a universe. His Father took on a greater role, while he was living a mortal life. Actually, the Bible is not crystal clear when it comes to what "all things" represents. "All things" is vague. It is never spelled out. It is a generalization. When there is an elaboration, the opposite is communicated. "without him was not anything created that was created"(John 1:3). That implies that not everything was created, and that Jesus was not the only one involved in creation. So which is true? The generalization, or the specific? The way that language works, is that generalizations are only true generally, and are modified when greater detail is added. You get in the car, put the key in the ignition, turn the key, and put your foot on the gas pedal and the car goes. This is a generalization. Perhaps the battery is dead. Perhaps there is no fuel in the car. Perhaps someone stole the tires. Although generally true, it is just a generalization, and must be taken as such. Of course Jesus didn't have a physical body before he was born. He was a spirit. His father had a physical body. And when Jesus returned to reign with his father, he had a physical body too. He didn't die twice. Stephen saw them both, Father and Son, reigning together.

God is mythological, so he has no math.

@宇宙不思議な no

Colin Java how did you even wander to this page lol?

@@jonhowerton2537 Was looking at mormonism, cause its funny.

Colin Java God definitely brought you to this page ! YOU might think it’s because you were going to be amused, but God has better plans for you my friend, I hope you listen to more of this channels videos

Well keep praying because they're pretty passive aggressive. I hope you don't think that's what patience and understanding and wisdom and calmness and grace looks like.

@@chancebozeman5171 yes passive aggressive for sure! Two grown men pikn on a young 20 somthn year old? Half ther ages and yet he held his own. the Bible actually testifies of the Book of Mormon and the truth of the Book Of Mormon. Consider this!!! You dont know it but every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ they all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived....Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... John saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven to deliver the Everlasting Gospel to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord... So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from god but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, So Id like to say to all LDS deserters! Ya might wanna reconsider your choice!!! Just saying!!! Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered, coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by HIM. The only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth...

How the heck did you find Dr White and Rev Jeff patience and understanding, what we’re you watching? They were bashing that young man! Bashing they were far from being humble

@@nigejames8825 These 2 had they lived at the time of Christ would have been on the side of the Pharisees holding up the words of long dead prophets of the OT to condemn ridicule persecute and finally crucify the Christ. They are full of self conceipt.. Certainly not the way Christ would have taught His Gospel... I cannot believe people watch this and claim these two are patient and humble... lol

you mean White tells Kwaku what he believes... but clearly has no idea what he's talking about.

Right clearly this kid thinks he’s cute. The two men of God see right through him.

@@thepreacher5934L + L

​@@thepreacher5934 careful throwing that stone, try not to forget the glass building you reside in.

I LOVE HOW KWAKU SAYS ...WE DONT KNOW HE WAS SPEAKING OF HORSES.....WHEN JOSEPH SMITH AND HIS BROTHER ARE ON HORSES ON STATUES, I BELIEVE JOSEPHS MYTH KNEW WHAT A HORSE WAS ...REPENT AND PLEASE LOOK AT MORMONISM FOR WHAT IT IS ... FALSE

Carl J Martin I was talking about comments on this feed. Yes I understand debate and yes I understand the arguments. What bothers me is people who are watching a Christian podcast throwing hate and shade to the people trying to bring the gospel and work through serious theological differences

Then asks a short series of questions with simple references and then each one has to pick a side. Stay with Jesus, or go.

My thoughts exactly! So true!

That verse pretty much puts a direct finger on the main problem of Mormonism. I'll use that one all the time now.

@Paula Wallace well there is no word fallen angles ,and lucifer most definitely was the king of Babylon but the concept of fallen angles is there. The elohim rebellion and the the nephiliam were born .God divides the nations according to the elohim in heaven who were fallen and deceived the nation s .the very principalities that Paul spoke of the spiritually rules nations .so Lucifer is the king of Babylon but can also be talking about the principality governing the nation. Habakkak says that those nations attribute there power to their gods, well i dont think he was just saying it

@Paula Wallace may man ok the god of wine is not before christ my bro but after lol. Also i said maybe it can hold symbolic worth too .i know that Lucifer was the king of Babylon. Totally agree but u say i know nothing but you dont even understand the divine console .now the nephiliam were a mixed breed of people so yea they were mighty men but not exclusively. There were different breeds coming froming different races .also just because you think Paul and jesus spoke against the law doesn't make dosent mean they are false teachers..i am a Hebrew by blood and a son of isreal by faith . Yeshua nor Paul spoke against the law but against the traditions of men ,you probably were deceived by the lack of discernment of their rhetoric which was design by the Most High to confuse and offend the religious mind ...Paul uphold the law and tought to keep the law and jesus showed how to keep the sabbath correctly. Read the Hebrew. The (sons of god ) are in Hebrew the (elohim ) these are the ones who are to be cast down on the last day .the one that in Daniel ,the prince of Persia stopped the angel from coming to daniel .this is a elohim, a principality that is in the heavenly places which is cast out of the presence and service of God and his good will .im assuming im talking to someone who atleast knows the old testament and believes in it . Im not a Christian but a disciple of christ and a keeper of the law just like the 1 century disciples did. Maybe u miss that with bad info and Christian digma ....the word fallen angel isn't there bur the concept is present. Christian dogma is wrong but the so called miseading name (new testament) is real

@Paula Wallace also Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin of the most strict sec of Judaism. At the very least paul is only a pharisee. You can't find a example in the bible that says he tought against moses which i cant throw down .James even himself confronted him about this. Telling him that people say you teach against the law but james said he knows its not true .paul himself say about 3 different times that he doesn't teach against the law ..have you read act like 16 and up?

😂 me too put it on to go to bed now I'm up

Lol

Hahahahhaahahahah

he is a blasphemer

Lol "Christians" are the same way with the bible and we actually tell people to read book of mormon and see for themselves if it's true. Proud lds. The thing with the bible is that there are tons of different churches that all claim truth from bible. Yet have variety of doctrine.

@@bobbq8380 different church’s claiming the Bible doesn’t invalidate it. That’s like saying there are many different world views that people express mainly in English that contradict each other therefore English is a problem. No there are just different views and verse taken out of context

@@Mel-ye9ec Not trying to invalidate the bible at all. I am invalidating that every church that has the bible is God's one true church or has the "best" or most truth..... Yet any version of the bible clearly states one Lord, one faith, one baptism. So evidently we're all wrong or only one of us is right. What I honestly care about just as much as gaining more lds converts to my faith is ALL faiths working together as one. As much as freaking possible. If not, we are very ingenuine and our claims to being Christian are most certainly invalid no matter what faith we are. I swear Christianity has become the laughing stock of the world and it will very remain so or be so if we keep condemning each other for stupid differences over doctrine. Crap like that keeps making sure Christianity is the most divided thing in the whole world. I feel true Christians should be more focused on teamwork rather than poking at who is right or wrong. Even have the audacity to act like God and say such so and so going to hell or so and so are very "bad" people. Last I checked only God can judge. If anyone here is really Christian or about peace, go and pay it forward or go do good for random strangers. Such as a catholic that could use some handyman work, a Buddhist that needs help with travel, a Muslim that could use a hand with groceries, and an atheist / military vet that could use some reliable resources for better work. I've absolutely have had no doubt I've been blessed randomly by all of the above heaven sent my way by God.

I actually think both men handled themselves really well, under the circumstances. It was inevitable that Kwaku would get frustrated towards the end when his points weren't landing.

i think his arrogance is really just a defense mechanism to cover his insecurity and lack of knowledge. the kid cannot catch an argument laid simply in front of him. he is kinda smooth brain

LOL they are all arrogant. Knowledge breeds arrogance. I would be 3 times as arrogant as them if I were half as smart as any of them (yes even Kwaku El is very smart)

He's not arrogant. He's just well read and good at debates. Some people may not agree with his ideas. That's another thing.

@@scottbrandon9390 ...well, after all, the arrogant can't see arrogance. They think call pride as 'well read' and 'good at debates'.

So where all not gods children?

the Bible actually testifies of the Book of Mormon and the truth of the Book Of Mormon. Consider this!!! You dont know it but every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ they all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived....Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... John saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven to deliver the Everlasting Gospel to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord... So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from god but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, So Id like to say to all LDS deserters! Ya might wanna reconsider your choice!!! Just saying!!! Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered, coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by HIM. The only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth...

You’re just as heretical to them.

Additionally: Evangelism is growing. There has been a rapid growth, thanks to the global Christian revival that's taking place worldwide. Especially in Eastern Europe, Russia, & the U.S. Unfortunately for Mormonism, is seemingly declining. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i-CdjNl7ytm0YZs.html And; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oa-Ro6Wl25bdmWg.html

And very disrespectful by his mumbling at points being made.

He couldn’t defend himself or Joseph smith so he had to act immature and show him self to be an ass. He clearly lost the debate he brought a stick to a tank fight. Logic and truth beat him. Hopefully he will walk away from being a Mormon to knowing the real and true Jesus

I will pray for him. He's really a good kid and I quite like him.

This is very good news for Christianity. I hope the trend continues. But as I read these posts, I am saddened by the antagonism in most of them. We should be respecting each other and working together more instead of attacking each other so much.

Hopefully those seeds planted will eventually come to fruition and Kwaku will come to serve the one true God and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior

Kwaku’s testimony of a loving Heavenly Father that understands us was so powerful that I felt it in my heart that it was true. Good on him for bearing his testimony at the end of the show!

@@srilankangenie He gave his testimony about a false Jesus.

@@m7m746 Calvinist Jesus is not biblical. Jesus doesn’t organize the holocaust

@@srilankangenie I agree with you. Maybe you shouldn’t assume that I am a Calvinist.

Yes I agree with you but Jeff doesnt know his Bible.... Consider this.... The Apostle John prophesied and declared...... "I saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord... So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity including Jeff here ... claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from god but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! Clearly the Bible is not all God intended us to have... Seems Jeff hasnt read this Bible Prophecy!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth as evidence the Bible is not all God Has for us!!!!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, Just saying!!! Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered, by an Angel coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by HIM. The only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth... Simple Gospel Truth!!!

@@jferristubeto be a prophet you can’t get prophesies wrong. Joseph had many. But of course you won’t open your heart to the truth.

@@crispyjitsu So what prophecies did he get wrong? Please share!

@@crispyjitsu Thanks for your comment Chris but it seems you have no rebuttal to John's prophecy concerning an Angel bringing the Everlasting Gospel to preach to the inhabitants of the earth before the great and terrible day of the coming of the Lord? Now why would God find it necessary to send an Angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel to preach if the Bible contains the Everlasting Gospel. Clearly it does not contain the Everlasting Gospel. The whole of so called Christianity declare the Bible to be the complete word of God. The Bible contains all God ever Intended for us to have! Yes? And yet we have the Apostle John telling us the Bible is not all God intended for us to have and that God would send an Angel to bring/deliver the Everlasting Gospel to preach to the inhabitants of the earth. Looks like John got it wrong ... According to your Christianity... He got it wrong big time!

@@jferristube In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied the Lord’s return within 56 years (History of the Church, Vol. 2, pg. 182). By 1891 this was proven to be a false prophecy. In 1843 Joseph Smith prophesied that the United States government would be overthrown and wasted within a few years if they refused to redress the wrongs committed against the Mormons in Missouri (History of the Church, Vol. 5, pg. 394). The United States government has never formally redressed any wrongs committed against the Mormons in Missouri and the government still stands nearly 170 years later. In 1832 Joseph Smith prophesied that the present generation of Mormons would not pass away before the temple of the New Jerusalem would be built in Zion, Missouri (Doctrine & Covenants Section 84). The Mormons were forced to flee Missouri and no temple was constructed there in Joseph Smith’s lifetime or within the generation that witnessed this prophecy. In 1832 Joseph Smith prophesied that the United States civil war would eventually engulf all nations (Doctrine & Covenants Section 87). This prophecy did not come close to being fulfilled. Joseph Smith made many other false prophecies in his lifetime. By the standards of God’s word, he must be labeled a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

Leatherwood Outdoors now you know how non believers see christians.

Tom, Christians never stick with sound exegesis... and other things? Oh, you're pointing out that Christians and unbelievers disagree on what truth is... Oh, OK. Well, sure. *Of course* that's the case. However, in _THIS_ case (the debate), both parties (Christians and the Latter Day Saint) agree that the Bible is true. So the analogy you are trying to draw is a false one and was actually the point of Leatherwood Outdoors' mention of rabbit trails, sticking with sound exegesis, etc. However, if you're trying to change the topic to a rabbit trail, to not think critically about what Leatherwood Outdoors was saying, and (possibly) to just tote the unbelievers' line at all costs, then I find that to be the very definition of ironic.

Leatherwood Outdoors, I think what you're saying started to become even more... visible when Kwaku flat out said James White didn't know if he had done more study than Kwaku had. I think what you're saying was coming to the surface when that occurred. I mean... you're talking to someone who has been alive for multiples above your own lifespan (James White almost 57 and Kwaku... not 28-29)... maybe don't assume you have studied a topic more than the elder person has? Especially if it is the person who has been alive for longer who is making the claim that he has studied a topic more than you have (and has displayed his passion for said topic over a two hour period of interaction). I'm sure James White can know how long he's studied something and compare it to the age of his opponent. I mean, if James is ONLY twice the age of Kwaku, then Kwaku will have had to study the topic for over 2 times the amount of time that James has had to study it, in order to say Kwaku has studied the topic more than James has... And I'm pretty sure James is more than twice Kwaku's age (given Kwaku is still in school: college I assume). So I agree. He did look bad in that regard. I still applaud him for coming on the show and "going to the mats" as Jeff said. I think he even had some good arguments in there, too, which Jeff and James didn't address as well or as much as I would have liked, but I think that was, at least in part, due to the rabbit trails and such that you mentioned.

TheMe0wsCat then let me explain. christians attempt at sound exegesis fails to prove their holy text. to claim mormanism or any sect as true is just a claim to faith. but in the way he did not defend his cult to you. christians cannot defend their cult to non believers. there is no good reason to believe any supernatural claim from any holy text. there is no God because it is defined as nothing, nowhere for zero seconds. that means there is no difference between this supposed God and one that does not exist.

Kwaku is an idiot - and that's being kind.

Pray these calvanists and mormon are saved and preach Who the real Go of the Bible is. He does NOT cause sin for His "glory".

Why are you praying for that? Isn’t it predestined anyway…? 🤔

@@howabout5177 he was determined to pray. Duh :) if he decides by his own free will to pray, that would be taking God's glory. What makes him smarter or better than others that didn't pray?

@@rocketsurgeon1746 "calvanists"??? You're putting Calvinists and Mormons in the same category?? Love to hear that rational!!

@@mhoward1456 neither believe in the God of the Bible.

That is pretty manipulative to say the least

he knew exactly what his beliefs are ... and he was arguing against two calvinists by himself. and every christian knows calvinism is a cult.

@@bigboybrock1205 no ... it was "manipulative," it was just a bulls**t comment.

@@grayman7208 it’s pure manipulation at its most basic form. Trying to convince somebody that they know what you believe better than you do yourself…

@@bigboybrock1205 yep. and the phony part of the whole thing is that durbin and white are calvinists. and calvinists believe that christ will not save everyone, just the "elite" ... and of course durbin and white are part of the elite.

www.alislam.org/book/christianity-journey-facts-fiction/❤️🌹

Amen Brother 🙌

Bad decision

Amen Mark !!! God bless you on your journey ! 🙌🏽

@@bigboybrock1205 please tell us how finding the TRUE God in the Bible and escaping the false Mormon God, is in any way "a bad decision"? Telling your people that Jesus was "CREATED" and that God WAS NOT ALWAYS A GOD AND WAS HUMAN, or even that WE can become God's and are given our own "planets" with humans who will pray to you, IS CALLED BLASPHEMY

I want to thank God I’m Mormon. Thank you, Lord. I am glad I’m saved.

Petty Christians😹

@@bn2870you follow a religion that says “the Bible is corrupted but we have Gods true word” so does that mean mormans , Muslims, JWs are all true???? Because they say the same thing… btw you are not going to be a god and have sex with a bunch of women 🤡

I am want to thank god I am a mormón, now I know the true I found it in my history, my beloved it PERU😅

​@@rudytomas6091well, it's against The Bible

If he answered what book it was from correctly would it make what he believes true?

@@bigboybrock1205 I don’t remember what his point was now since this was 3 months ago, but no, simply remembering the book would not make him correct. Now if it was really a poetic, then he’d have a point. But when you don’t know where the verse is from, you don’t know if it’s poetic or not either.

Its easy these days to find yge verses quockly using your phone. Just typing in a few words of the verse and the letters kjv usually yield whatever verse it is that you remember but that you don't remember the chapter and verse for.

Does James White realize the verses he’s quoting were given to him by the Roman Catholic Church?

@@MansterBear Heres somthn thats not poetic but simple prophetic TRUTH... Im going to share somethn you need to see and understand. It will show you the Truth of the Book of Mormon right ther in the Bible you claim to believe... I hope you will see the folly of what you believe. If you dont then Its bcos you are in Darkness and there is no light in you. Ill pray for ya! Consider this!!! You dont know it but every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ. They all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived.... Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... The apostle John prophesied in Revelations.... "and I saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to PREACH to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord... So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel to the earth.... IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE? All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us to have. Ther is to be no further scripture from god but here we have god telling us he would send an angel to BRING the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question. So Id like to say to all LDS deserters and haters! Ya might wanna reconsider your choice!!! Just saying!!! Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered, by an angel, coming from the presence of God in the Last Days!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by HIM. The only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth... God Bless... No one ever gives me a rebuttal to this Prophecy. The silence is deafening. Maybe you'll be the 1st??? LOL

We need to remember to love our neighbor as ourselves. Even though with this young kid and what he believes is wrong we should pray for people that are lost...🙏 PS remember the fruit of the Spirit Galatians 5 22 23. You have a blessed day bud.

You’re just upset because he has a coherent world view and you guys have to nitpick the Bible to fit within the view of early church fathers. We believe we can ask God and find out what to be true for ourselves. Kwaku might get firey which I will push back on but he’s right. You guys don’t have a single logical nor coherent answer on how the Book of Mormon came to be. Nor how 2 of the 3 witnesses even when they left and were excommunicated never denied the truth claims of Joseph Smith nor the Book and stayed true to that testimony til they died. But no explain that and then say he’s over his head.

Mormon apologetics are rare due to at least two facts: 1. Personal truth 2. Inconsistent reasoning.

James Maurer you’re an enabler for sinful behavior Kwaku displayed. He was disingenuous and tried to use false arguments throughout refusing to consider the truth or anything outside what he has been myopically programmed to believe. This guy came with a contentious sinful spirit and tried to even proselytize like some ungrateful arrogant snake. Don’t feel bad for a pretentious self edifying sinner like this kid, don’t be an enabler to those who are disrespectful to gracious people.

@@I_discovered_civilization nice, agreed, this kid will never learn if we coddle him, he needs to be knocked down a peg, saw him on Heart of the Matter (I love Shawn) and he was impossible to listen to

DekkyTheAwesome you’re an idiot because you stupidly say I’m dogmatic without evidence, strawman much? I addressed his behavior as an unwilling participant to their discussion, yet you come here with strawman tactics? Lol, dude you’re stupid af.

not really.. they explain multiple times but he refused to acknowledge their explanation.. he even said that normal people can't understand what they said.. even i understand "trinity" and "spirit" at 10 years old, years before i was saved.. am i not normal then?

That’s because these guys were more interested in defending ‘reformed theology’ aka John Calvin’s teachings rather than what the Bible actually says. Pathetic.

@@bricksandconcrete 1 being is 3 persons. Done

"that's very poetic"

I think it was more like, 1 does not equal 3, but yeah sure...

Because he is not genuine!

I’ve had to pause it and back more than twice. I just started and I’m really trying.

I think Kwaku is frustrated with Kwaku

Yes! Haha you said it 👏

go on hate on a brother

This kid is more patient than “Dr.” White. And he probably can’t even legally drink. They both believe in lunacies. Good for this kid for having a more open mind.

@@bn2870 Lunacy?....please elaborate

@@lespaul382 believing a guy turned water into wine and rose again from the dead is a good place to start.

@@bn2870 I'm assuming your an atheist?...

@@lespaul382 I guess. Agnostic is a better word, but sure.

yes Id agree....Jeff and his girlfriend here using Human Logic to try and explain God! LOL Two grown men pikn on a young 20 somthn year old? Half ther ages and yet he held his own and did very well. the Bible actually testifies of the truth of the Book of Mormon Consider this!!! You dont know it but every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ they all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived....Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... John saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven to deliver the Everlasting Gospel to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord... So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from god but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, So Id like to say to all LDS deserters! Ya might wanna reconsider your choice!!! Just saying!!! Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered, coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by HIM. The only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth... Anyone with half a brain can work this one out lol

So glad we have evangelical Christians around to Usurp the role of Christ in judging people's hearts. I'm sure He really appreciates that. Thank goodness us evil Mormons have you all to show us the true way.

@@chancebozeman5171 Christians are called to judge doctrine, teaching, and others actions righteously. (Matt 7, John 7:24, 1 Corin 2,5,6,14, 2 Corin 11, 1 John 2:18-20, etc.) Scripture is the authority, not any one person. Joseph Smith is a false prophet, that's been proven already. I pray you stop following the deception.

@@Tayman47 you were judging his heart by saying he was prideful and egotistical. That's not what Christ teaches. Also, you aren't judging righteously my friend. That's clear by you thinking you know what's in others' hearts. You don't. Christ didn't teach that scripture was the ultimate authority, He taught that He was the ultimate authority and He gave that authority to His apostles to act in his name. No protestant faith claims that authority, only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Roman Catholics claim that authority. Also, the bible tells us to pray in private, doesn't it? Are you praying, so I'll see your good works and glorify you? Maybe you are the one who is deceived.

@@chancebozeman5171 1.) I was judging his words/actions/ignorance. Righteous judgment is based upon the revealed truth and Word of God which he distorts and lies about. Just like the false prophet JS did. Also, Christ directly teaches to judge matters of the heart, just look at him reprimanding the scribes and Pharisees for saying they follow the law but in their hearts they don’t. You’re wrong. Let me know if you need specific scripture book/chapter/verse but I urge you to look for it yourself. 2.) maybe you misunderstood or I wasn’t clear so hope this helps: the Bible is the authoritative source for truth. That’s how we know the “true way” which is what my comment was replying to. No Christian claims to have authority or the “true way” we simply follow what The Bible says about the way, which is Jesus “I am the way the truth and the life” Also nice strawman but telling you that I’m praying you doesn’t mean I prayed in front of you or others for show. I’m not sure you understood what Jesus was saying. Paul told people he prayed for them all the time. Jesus is saying we shouldn’t pray to put on a show (go read the full context of Matthew 6 to see)

@@chancebozeman5171 making sure you saw my comment here on the other thread

White sure does. Or he simply talks over his guest.

@@Grendel-td5nf he wasn't talking about White.

I’ve noticed that many lds are trained to interact with Christians like that🥲😅

@@Grendel-td5nf 😂 we watching the same debate?

@@kelslo74 2:11:25 he sure was talking about him. its all always funny and sad watching calvinists try to defend their predestination nonsense.

I truely truely do not understand why kwaku even agreed to this...it really amazes me

Yeah mic drop your way to evangelism! That's how we roll. James White's so so cool. He's a badass

@@davidolivares499 haha that’s so funny. It’s all perspective. Kwaku who hasn’t spent the last 30 years studying for these kinds of debates just totally held his own against two famous evangelical apologist. I’m freaking impressed by that kid!

@Zach well that is not a sound statement. With that view you have you would reject Jeremia and Timothy. (Jeremiah 1:7 and 1 Timothy 4:12) and would you think the Teachers of Israel in the temple could dismiss 12 year old Jesus this way Luke 2:46-47.

@@dsto3077 did we watch the same dialogue?!

Sometimes you gotta push the debaters when you see them going off mark

I think they called it a debate but I’m sure this was more of a conversation lol

Dr. White did poorly on explain the time and hour and answering kwaku’s objection to Jesus sitting on the throne in Isaiah’s vision. Since God is Spirit by nature and has no form, it is obvious that he is manifesting one within his creation so he can be seen by the host of heaven. And for Jesus no knowing the time or hour, Jesus being the creator of all things is saying it is not given me the authority to disclose to you the knowledge of this event. The Son knows everything, but doesn’t know this event in a period of time, but he gave revelation on everything that he would do upon his return. The first and the last, he knows the generations that will be alive on the last day. What, he can’t triangulate to determine this specific moment in time, but all of creation is upheld by the power of his word.

What do you mean? 🤔

If I may, what is your comment about "seeing" the kingdom referring to? Is it the debate itself? Or is it my comment per se?

@Hale Hafa what is the source of true revelation then?

book, chapter, and verse? i would like to check your quotation in the Authorized book to make sure you quoted it correctly

@@charlessamuellasiste2752 God almighty through JESUS CHRIST by HOLY SPIRIT and ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH and Apostolic tradition and BIBLE in that order

With his own false doctrine? Lol

@@orangemanbad Whats holding you back?

@@orangemanbad 99% of what Jeff said was just quoting scripture from the Bible... what false doctrine?

@@Tayman47 god is not a man. The Bible says so clearly. Sacrifice is not what god wants for repentance of sin. In fact, sacrifice was only for unintentional sin. God said no one can die and take away the sins of another (then specifies almost as if to predict Jesus’ later myths) saying a father cannot die for the sins of the son nor the son die for the sins of the father. God also says he does not change. There’s a list too long of discrepancies but you get the point. We must turn back to God and away from men and idol worship.

@@orangemanbad repent and trust In Christ!

if God didnt ordain everything then man are creating actions outside of God's control? open theism?

Yes - because he doesn’t agree. I get the sense that this White fella is far gone from ever changing his mind. If you believe that “Scripture is the standard alone” but think your one isolated belief system is the “obvious right way” to read it, I can’t think of a more arrogant stance.

Kwaku knows his own beliefs just fine. and he destroyed durbin and white for one simple reason ... white and dubin are calvinists ... and ... calvinists believe god created all things, and controls all things, predetermined all things, and made all things exactly the way they are. ... thus god also created evil. therefore since calvinists believe god created evil. they are blaspheming against the holy spirit ... the only unforgivable sin. calvinists also believe the only people who will be saved have been predetermined by god. and since calvinists believe god predetermined who will be saved ... they have removed free will - the gift of god to humans, and removed jesus from the equation. ... and of course ... calvinists are arrogant enough to believe they are some of the predetermined to be saved ( without a shred of evidence) ... despite the fact jesus claimed he came to save all mankind. 1 timothy 2:3-6 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. in fact ... in that respect calvinists are just like muslims. since god (according to calvinists) has already determined who will be saved ... (and who will not be saved) ... those who will be saved do not need christ and those who will not be saved cannot come to christ. thus calvinists are not christians.

🤣🤣🤣 right

@@thepreacher5934 troll

@@thepreacher5934 troll

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Yeah he literally just talks in circles and because he's a pleasant person it's disarming to anyone who's expecting a heretic to be foaming at the mouth...kinda like the Hollywood idea the devil is running around with a pointy tail and a pitchfork as a lil red troublemaker, Satan and his ministers are not that conspicuous when they're really out to do harm.

Yes because there are demons at play

your characterisation of Kwaku was the same attitude the old more wise Pharisees of His Days looked upon Christ... The Pharisees of today do the same thing like these 2 Calvinists....they hold up the words of long dead prophets to condemn persecute malign and finally crucify the Son of God Himself!!! History repeatn....Funny that You dont know it but every single sect on the planet does not have the complete truth and do not follow the True Christ they all claim we LDS follow a false Christ and claim we are deceived....Nope! They are the ones who are deceived... John prophesied and said ,,,,"I saw an angel flying in the midst of heaven BRINGING the Everlasting Gospel to PREACH to the inhabitants of the earth before the Great and Terrible Day of the Coming of the Lord..." So the question is.... Why would God find it necessary to send an angel to bring the Everlasting Gospel IF the Everlasting Gospel IS ALREADY HERE AND CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE. All of Christianity claims the Bible is all God ever intended for us. Ther is to be no further scripture from god but here we have God telling us he would send an angel to deliver the Everlasting Gospel! Hmmmmmmm!!! The validity of the Christian doctrines, among all sects, ALL live or die, Stand or Fall on this one prophecy by John!!! Many other scriptures but this one alone would be enuff evidence for the sincere seeker of Truth!!! It doesnt take the HG to tell anyone the answer to this question, So Id like to say to all LDS deserters! Ya might wanna reconsider your choice!!! Just saying!!! Dont be deceived!!! This is His Gospel and Church... Joseph was a Prophet of God. The Book of Mormon IS the Everlasting Gospel prophesied would be delivered by an angel, coming from the presence of God the Father in the Last Days!!! His name was Moroni who delivered the ancient divine scriptural record we have today as the Book of Mormon TRANSLATED by the prophet Joseph Smith containing the Everlasting Gospel!!! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints ... is the Church and Kingdom of God on earth Restored by HIM. The only Church with All His Authority and the complete Truth...

Maybe that's why they wouldn't allow the kid to speak uninterrupted. He got less than half the time to speak than his opponent in each exchange.

"Most false religions fall apart when you question there doctrine" What is the doctrine of your religion?😁 Can you spit it out?????😅

Did your mind blew with my simple question?

Christopher David Suryanarayan he’s so unprepared. It’s ridiculous. And he came there knowing what the discussion was about. I don’t know what he thought would happen.

Omer Jamil what? How? They were so patient. Kwaku just made statements and never did anything with them. He makes nailing jello to a walk easy in comparison with his wild wiggling

All 3 of them do, it’s kinda sad

Which one?

@@bn2870 the Mormon

@@4hisglory926 lol 😂- after watching a middle-aged man talk over a 20 year old and say let me “give you a ‘humble’ nudge.” Ain’t humble when you have to call it “humble” bro. And as an outsider, he looks like a complete jackass pontificating about the “science” of some mythical story that never happened 😂. Get a real job.

I wonder how God actually feels watching his children literally rage and fight over Him. I can't believe He supports it

Amen 🙏

Mimi, You completely nailed this discussion. This young LDS man , is a know-it-all and it is so frustrating to have to listen to someone like that. I can only pray for him and also pray for those in this comments section that are also LDS. It is so frustrating to have so many cults out there.