One thing I saw was that summarized Legions differently; the Salamanders would save women and children first because it’s the right thing to do. The Iron Hands would save women and children first because they could fit more of them in a Thunder hawk at a time.

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Bricky replaces his fleshy forehead with an augmented forehead so that it can provide central heating to his brain and to the Ridiculous Gear crew, DK gets all flustered when Iron Daddy Feirros begins his Femboy arc and Shy removes her vocal cords and replaces it with the Iron Hand themed soundboard so she can talk exclusively in dank memes

There's already a short story about Ferrus finding some 40k Iron Hands lost in the warp due to timey wimey fuckery and he was thoroughly disgusted at the state of their augmentations.

Fun fact: Konrad kept Ferrus' head, and kept trying to get improsoned Vulcan to have dinner with it - before stabbing Vulcan to death with table cutlery.. for the third time

Imperium: Spends millions on creating biologically perfect human warriors Iron hands: Thanks for the surgery, now turn me into a robot

Imagine a face off between the night lords and the iron hands in which both sides are convinced they cannot win, so they both just leave

The tragic irony of the Iron Hands is how they sorta forgot the point of their Primarch’s doctrine. “The flesh is weak, but deeds last forever.” In purging their human weakness, they gave up their human potential to achieve greatness in the face of overwhelming despair.

Iron Hands and Blood Angels talking about depression. Raven Guard: Hold my cigarette and black coffee. I’m gonna write a poem

55:55 - I thought there was some part near the end of their lore, where Slannesh notices their spirally depression and is like "Excess sadness is still excess, and basically the more they tried to suppress their emotions, the further they fell and that one of their leaders basically said "Enough, we're human we need to feel, we need our anger and our souls." and saved their chapter.

"Tis but a scratch and just a flesh wound." proceed to replace all his lost limbs with mechanical body parts and return to battle few hours later.

One piece of Iron Hands art I love is a marine dual wielding fully automatic bolters. And a huge terminator slicing a daemonette in half with a big power sword while shooting it with a storm bolter.

I can’t believe that they didn’t go into or even mention the current chapter master, Kardan Stronos. He’s the one Iron Hand that not only represents the best of the the Iron Hands, but is actively trying to get the chapter to be more in line with what Ferrus wanted and believed( *“Activity Trying”* being the key words).

Little sad that the Man of Iron pretending to be a Iron Hands Dreadnaught wasn’t brought up. I think that’s a so hilarious.

Doctor told me I'll need a shoulder replacement in a few years and most likely have to have both my knees replaced by 45. I laughed, lowered my head, and mumbled "Iron within..." to which he said "Iron without". I couldn't help but start laughing.

"The Iron Hands are human, lord general. Perhaps they do not like to think of themselves in quite that way any more, but they are, and they share in the full range of blessings and curses of that exalted state. One condition in particular is theirs: an ancient condition which even now, with all the techno-chirurgical advances available in our glorious Imperium, resists any attempts at a cure. [...] We take ordinary bodies and make them better,’ she admitted. ‘We do so because we desire to improve on what we were born with. The Iron Hands cannot make their bodies better, since they are already perfect. Nevertheless, still they amputate their limbs in favour of metal parts and aspire to the state of machine-hood. Why? Because they fear their flesh, lord general. They look at it in the mirror of their minds and they see something loathsome." Techpriest Ys regarding the Iron Hands, Wrath of Iron

it almost feels like the iron hands avoid weakness rather than face it, whereas ferrus would want them to overcome being weak by strengthening themselves mentally and physically, ferrus' death and the whole 'iron hands being represented by the stages of grief' led to the misinterpreting ferrus' lessons and remove what they see as weak instead of making it stronger

The Iron Hands: For those times when being an 3 and a half meters tall superhuman with an extra lung, an extra heart, closed solid ribcage and covered head to toe in ceramite power armor is not enough.

Ferrus “Iron Hand” Manus, Primarch of the Iron Hands, aboard his capital ship the Fist of Iron, also made a flaming sword that he named… Fireblade.

Dude ferrus led the drop site attack over two other loyalist legions, he waited till reinforcements were in system and inbound, he didnt know they had flipped and now were surrounded. Ferrus had plans for almost anything, when somebody met his requirements, hed get the pre designated paddle and go hard af on them

Remember for the War Within The Webway the emperor summons the spirits of dead loyalists to fight, which includes Ferrus Manus. Also in the short story The Board Is Set, when the piece that represents Ferrus falls and the head breaks off the emperor replies it was careless and he'd have to fix that when he has time. Couple big doors GW is leaving open...

You totally skipped the main reason why the imperial guard hate them due to the fact that on multiple occasions have used them as bait so they take less losses

Bricky: I didn’t mention toasters or shovels in the AdMec/Krieg episodes because overused memes. Also Bricky: *last two episodes*

Disappointed there was no mention of the Keys of Hel. The Iron Hands's use of techno-necromancy is kind of relevant. Anyway, I find the Iron Hands compelling for the degree to which they've responded to their trauma in very unhealthy ways. They were unequipped to handle grief they, as living weapons, were never meant to deal with. They cut away their humanity, because they couldn't stand the pain of being human. They embrace the idea of stoicism - of being purely logical - to deny they feel anything. They refuse to enter battles that aren't overwhelmingly in their favor, under the pretense of it being logical, but in actuality because they're terrified of being hurt again. They reject trust, so they can never again be betrayed. Beneath the veneer of cold steel, the Iron Hands are frail, sobbing children.

Fabius Bile created hundreds of 1 to 1 clones of Ferrus Manus for Fulgrim to try and convert to chaos. But all the Ferrus Manus clones refused and was killed by Fulgrim. So if Ferrus Manus was ever to come back, it would probably be an escaped clone. Bile also sold a pre demon prince Fulgrim clone to Trazyn.

The iron hands actually fought in the heresy to some effect, such as destroying world eater recruitment drives and I think wounding a primarch, they did this in attack cells of just iron hands such as the red talon or in multi legion groups called the shattered legions which included raven guard and salamanders led by figures like Shadrak Meduson, one cell included ebon kheshig of the white scars. Their cybernetics do have benefits such as a third heart just in case the two are destroyed. The morlocks were Ferrus Manus’ terminator body guard, they all died out or got absorbed at the end of the heresy, and the gorgon terminators were the prototype armor that manus was working on that required the implantation of the marine into the armor, there is a special terminator in 40k called the helfather who are the iron councils bodyguards which might just be space marines transferred into a machine body’s because they have had their heads disintegrated and continued fighting and a librarian remarked that they have no presence

Interesting fact, while Iron Hands and Salamanders don't get along. Their dads did. Manus had great respect for Vulkan as a craftsman. A Dagar Vulkan crafted for Manus, later saved his life against a demon. And while Manus at first sight criticized Vulkans Dagar, being to small and to ornate. He treasured it and always carried it with him. Always regretting not being abel to tell Vulkan how much it meant to him. Especially after it saved his life. Manus was not a feelings person and he quietly regretted that. Because he critizied Vulkan and his other brothers for their emotions yet admired them for them in secret. A certain hypocrisy he was aware of.

I'm surprised Bricky did not talk about the Sapphire King. The Iron Hands were being manipulated by chaos there for a bit.

An Iron Hands fleet is passing through a system on their way to retake a forge world a few systems over, when they notice a Night Lords fleet appearing out of the warp nearby. They both notice each other and scan the opposition in the hopes of gauging their own chances of winning, and both find that the Night Lords fleet is ever so slightly more well equipped. Both fleets then proceed to leave at the same time, as the Iron Hands have deemed there to be no chance of victory, and the Night Lords don't want to fight a battle that isn't decisively in their favor.

The iron hands feel like they would easily fall to Vashtorr.

At first I really didn't understand the Iron Hands because they seemed like Space Marine Ad Mech, but after listening to Bricky explain them and Ferrus Manus, they make so much more sense. And they're actually kind sad. While the Mechanicus wants to improve their flesh, the Iron Hands are afraid their flesh won't be enough. Ferrus Manus's whole mantra was strength. And yet, he still wasn't strong enough to keep himself from dying. Imagine your father or mentor, the strongest, most courageous, most hard-working person you've always known. They scare away all the monsters, keeo you safe and guide you through life. With them, nobody could ever hurt you or lead you astray. But then one day, the most evil person you ever met, overpowered your father/mentor and killed them. Imagine what that would do to your head. The Irons Fists are very well aware of their humanity, they're terrified of it. Not just their flesh, but the emotions that come with it. Believing their humanity has doomed them. While the Iron Warriors believe they will always be the strongest, the Iron Hands fear they will never be strong enough.

The funny thing you missed is that after Ferrus’ death, some Iron Hands went so mad with grief that they “Turned the Keys of Hel”. Essentially, over the course of the Great Crusade, they and Ferrus found tech that even Ferrus thought was too dangerous to play with. The big one was cybernetic resurrection, which straight up brought Iron Hands marines back from the dead with just advanced tech. Even the Iron Hands at the time were horrified by this but only considered it thanks to the madness of the Horus Heresy.

So the fire fighter comment from Bricky, there is an ongoing operational risk assessment that informs decisions made on any emergency event. The basic idea is "risk a lot to save a lot, risk little to save little" as a risk/reward evaluation. Properly using it, an incident command can efficiently use the resources at hand and effectively achieve the objectives at hand. It is a cold calculation for decision making to provide for the safety of everyone as time and different operations continue. Fire fighting is largely reactionary, meaning that the fire has been active for a time prior to arrival, though sprinkler systems, alarms, and public safety training have added to the life safety precautions and prevention. In a fully involved fire, by the time emergency services arrive, the conditions are so bad that survivability is pretty low. Searches are made where possible and information is gathered to ascertain if someone needs rescuing. We will do whatever is possible to rescue someone in need, but conditions in a fire rapidly deteriorate and the reality is that smoke renders the environment deadly. The MGM Grand hotel fire in Las Vegas had fatalities caused by smoke inhalation for instance. So there is a level of emotional detachment that allows us to make a decision based on the facts. We want to save anyone we can, but not at the cost of our own lives for what may more likely be a recovery. There is also a limitation of our equipment, air tanks only last so long and the time is shortened by exertion. The air also has to last to get in, complete an objective, and get out. Big box stores are really bad for this for the distance and complexity of the layout, you just don't have enough air. On top of that, if a fire fighter goes down, trapped, and/or injured, then it can take multiple firefighters and cycles to get one firefighter out. Firefighters are passionate people, who like the Salamanders will make amazing efforts to save lives, but it's based in training, skill, risk evaluation, equipment, experience, and leadership. We will definitely push the boundaries of risk/reward to the edge, but too far and we are risking not going home to our families, having to risk our family unit of our crew to rescue us, and failing to achieve the rescue we started in the first place. The Salamander's compassion, courage, and dedication to duty of those in dire situations are certainly values we hold. The experience, understanding of Operational Risk Management, a level of emotional detachment, and leadership allows us to make the hard decisions to hold where the risk and reward don't balance. In wildland firefighting, evaluation of people's homes have to be made to decide if the resources to protect them is valid. There are many reasons why one home vs another can be protected, but it is a heavy weight to write off another's home, firefighters have had to watch their own homes burn from wildfires (Cerro Grande fire, Los Alamos, NM). This is where the cold reasoning comes into play, where the Iron Hands calculation of the facts at hand, where leadership and command has to restrain efforts so that tunnel vision, rash decisions, and high emotions don't snowball in a worse situation. These are decisions we can agonize over, but have to be made. These are very broad strokes that are painted in the ideal setting. Everyone has their own specific situation and personalities that exist, and comparisons to Space Marines is lol at best. The context for me is working in a volunteer fire service that was under manned like most volunteer services in general. We did a lot with less, and I do see a comparison of being stretched too thin in an environment of great need. 70% or so of the US nationwide fire departments are volunteers. Finding people to volunteer for such a demanding position as fire fighting, is increasingly more difficult, and in general the same is true for volunteer services of all kinds. Fuck wrote a book, sorry. Thanks Adeptus Ridiculous for the content. Helps lots on bad days.

Here's an idea: Bring back Ferrus, let him have the character development he deserves, but *keep him away from the Iron Hands.* The Cicatrix Maledictum is a convenient way to do this. You could even then play with different groups of Iron Hands knowing different amounts about how he's back. I like the idea of one group getting 100% irrefutable evidence that he's back and refusing to believe it, another group getting rough, unclear, ambiguous evidence and being divided and uncertain, and then another group being nearby, hearing nothing at all (or maybe seeing something reinforcing that he's *dead* ) and continuing to cling to their belief that he's still alive anyway.

Yes! Yes! A million times yes! It is magnificent to see you guys checking the Iron Tenth. Many believe them simple, yet in my opinion are the most grim dark legion in 40k. Have a glorious day everyone! Thanks for the vid.

Wish they could have talked on iron daddy feirros. One of the few exceptions to the iron hands being purely logical, he strikes a balance between emotion and logic primarily through his dry, grim sense of humor that constantly gets on the nerves of his fellow iron hands astartes. Only reason he has yet to get kicked out is because he's damn good at his job, so they can't even call him weak for it. It's a very interesting dichotomy and example of how the iron hands philosophy isn't always correct, which leans further into the Iron Hands chapter's denial and and insecurities.

I hate to be that guy but bricky forgot about the literal daemon formed from the Iron Hands suppressed rage and emotions

The iron hands need more love than they're given.

I was afraid of this episode, but now it is time: I officially like one loyal Space Marine Legion.

Flesh is Weak But Deed Endure - i think Vulkan to Ferrus Manus

Iron Hands: Revive Ferus Manus head... but it's a servo skull now. "Congratulations father you are no longer weak" *SCREAMS*

The Iron Hands clans being the stages of grief is also fun an interesting, as you run into the issue of "If Space Marines know no fear, can they truly make logical decisions?" Like, fear of action is a valid concern in the military, but you need to understand that in order to successfully plan actions.

So you’re telling me that the Iron Hands are trying to be harder, better, faster, and stronger?

In one of the only really good Iron Hands novels, Wrath of Iron, the company of IH that are trying to root out a demon invasion on a hive world literally use and entire army of Imperial Guard as a diversion. Just run them suicidally into a wall of enemies they couldn't possibly beat so the heretics would be focused on that and not them. When the IG general is like "bro, what the fuck?" The Iron Hands Captain is just like "we're more important than you, cry to a Salamander about it."

How could you not talk about Iron Father Feirros? He is an interesting character, and his mini looks cool.

I recall somewhere that the Iron Hands, Raven Guard and Salamanders worked together frequently during the Crusade, their legion doctrines making them quite a powerful combined arms force. Also they all didn't get along with Horus.

Honestly, I want Ferrus to come back next in current 40k. Not because he's particularly my favourite, but to bring him back through the work of his psychotic children, barely a man anymore. Like, the Iron Hands go full "flesh is weak" on Ferrus and bring him back and he just fucking hates what they did to him, but nevertheless is alive so he might as well do something with that. My point is, all loyalist Primarchs that are brought back must have super depression.

They also were okay or accepted the Primaris quite well as they came from mars and I doubt they’d be mad at having more soldiers who have some upgrades/new quirks armor and weapons in hindsight they could be close to the Iron warriors with a couple things added or removed

The best thing is never having to buy an over priced character that you will never use.

The wiki page for Ferrus Manus is just a redirect link to Fulgrim.

45:22 Funny you mention that scenario because it happens in the short story The Calculs of Battle except the Iron Hands led by Iron Father Kardan Stronos drop down to hold off the swarm so more IG can get off world to fight another day

12:20 Not to mention the blood angels still have the Sanguinor

One idea that I've seen regarding the return of Ferrus Manus is that his soul could come back and become the machine spirit of an Emperor Class Titan. And, like, it's really silly, and I don't know how exactly they'd do it, but I would fucking love to see it.

My favourite chapter. No heroism, no mercy. The distilled brutality of 40k

There was a great audio drama I listened to where the Iron hands were fighting alongside militarum and pdf against nids. The whole thing was a command squad arguing with hq about their Battle Calculus and trying to push up success rates to acceptable limits, eventually seeing that loss was inevitable and pulling out. At first you are lead to believe they were performing a last stand, but at the end you realize they showed up at the start, fought for 15 minutes, realized they couldn't win, and left

Hol up, the Iron Hands are have this big chip on their shoulder for the Salamanders and Raven Guard retreating, but they don't even bother showing up for some fights?

Iron Hands are the legion Perturabo actually deserved (and probably would have wanted).

It feels ironic hearing DK say that the Iron Hands are interesting when the cold logic and bitterness strikes me as one-dimensional, yet individuals within the Chapter like Iron Father Feirros with his hot takes strike me as a cool lad in his pursuit of balancing logic and emotions whilst surrounded by TI calculators. That being said the aesthetic is ballin and I wish they were shown off more in books.

Raise the storm clan-brothers!

would it be ironic Ferus returns but with a full metal body~ he wanted to strip the metal of his arms and now he has a whole body made of it lmao

Fulgrim holding onto Ferrus's head could be neat. You know he'd do some Macbeth monologue with it.

Super underrated chapter/legion.

Im just immagine Ferrus comming back and weeping tears about the state of his Legion. And Guilliman standing behind him and just laing a hand on his shoulder while thinking about the state of imperial callenders....

The virgin iron hands: "The flesh is weak" The chad salamanders: "but deeds endure."

All you hear from iron hands in battle is silence broken up at random by the doom 2 sound effect for Doomguy taking damage.

"Therapy?! Have you seen those prices?! Those cost an *arm* and a *leg* !" "And I already bought these." _vrrrrrrrrt_

If Ferrus comes back I would do it like this: His soul was saved in the necrodermis of his arms. Eventually those arms get placed in like a pool of Necrodermis and his entire body is rebuilt out of pure necrodermis so he looks like a silver statue of himself. How this would happen is that his arms are collected by Trazyn for his vault and a malfunction drops them into the resurrection chamber. He could then escape possibly with the help of Clonegrim. After this the Necrons would be very interested in Ferrus as he is a Necron with a soul, arguably what the Necrons want to be.

Narratively... there is no therapy in England, only drinking and fighting your bros in bar fights. Therefore, you can't put it into a GW army as the undertone. Also, google definitions: Body Dysmorphia Disorder: A mental illness involving obsessive focus on a perceived flaw in appearance. May also be a specific body part perceived as mutilated or twisted. Dysphoria: state of generalized unhappiness, restlessness, dissatisfaction, or frustration, potentially related to multiple potential issues.

I think iron hands covering was bit weak. No mention of their history being storm walkers nor mentiones of any characters. Most of the episode was just talk about their idealogy.

you guys should do "The End and the Death" for the next book club. kind of a longer one, but i really enjoyed it.

If Dk loves Depression: the legion he's really going to love the Raven Guard when their time comes. Sad/vengeful bird noises.

I highly recommend the new Lion book for the next book club. Amazing listen on audible and it gave me all the emotions. One of the best books I've listened to.

After watching, I now want a named Iron Hands character who could symbolize acceptance. He probably has few if any bionics. The reason why he has few bionics is he has had the Iron hands ideology deconstructed, perhaps a tech priest emphasizing that he rids himself of his flesh to preserve the knowledge hes learned, while the iron hands rid of their flesh to purge weakness that isnt there. Perhaps he then gets into an argument with a blood angel over civilian casualties, boiling over to the blood angel stating that your primarch is gone and your incesent need to purge yourself of weakness will never bring him back. The iron hands would be furious but would be great to point out the hypocrisy of how human emotions are weakness yet here you are as angry as Ferrus Manus was on Istvann. Slowly the Marine will begin to look around and start to question. Why do the astrum militarum fight when they are so weak, why bother mourning when millions die daily? Why do other Space Marines mourn their fallen kin while the Iron hands don't? Until finally it leads to an epiphany for the Iron Hands marine that relying on iron can be a crutch, perhaps in a fight his bionics malfunction and leads to him getting saved by the blood angel earlier. But in the end he comes to the conclusion that Ferris is gone, and having faith that becoming metal will save you from weakness is in itself weakness. Leading to him becoming a pariah of the iron hands, being seen as a weak fool when in reality he has found a stength none of them could hope to possess.

Most underrated loyalist Geneseed line. RED TALONS!

Iron hands are entire army of Adam smashers

You forgot one thing about they way they fight. They just walk at the enemy in silence. They do not take cover, they do not flinch, they just walk into oncoming fire and slowly return fire obliterating their enemies.

The concept of the Iron Hands going through the stages of grief is SOOO COMPELLING!

The Silent King learns about Iron Hands hangups: "Lamentable, foolish children."

I want to say 'thanks' for your connection of the stages of grief to the Iron Hands chapter. I'm working on a Wounded Warrior project (being a damaged vet myself) and the Iron Hands and their prosthetics called to me as a natural home for that. But your connection of grief to the Iron Hands really strikes a cord with how many service members feel about their lives post service. Much appreciated gents. Never listened to your stuff before, but I'll always appreciate this one.

It's funny that the iron hands were actually one of the strongest legions with ferrus, as Horus actually said that if ferrus would have joined him the loyalists wouldn't have stood a chance against them.

Head Jokes never get old. Just like Ferrus Manus.

i play Iron Hands as Loyalists, BUT i also Play Iron Hands as Chaos :D when the Iron Hands lost their primarch some of them said screw you to the empire as they felt they had betrayed them. so some of them made the Brothers of Hel, referring to the Keys of Hel that where used to resurrect Iron Hands Marines, though those resurrected where missing most of their memories and some where insane only remembering their death and the betrayal, hence they turned to chaos. this is also the way the Loyalists is trying to resurrect Ferrus Manus, with the keys of Hel. can you imagine if he comes back this way, with almost no memory. this could lead to him not wanting to redeem the Iron Hands but embrace it like they are doing.

Iron Hands Chapter: dependable, commendable and surprisingly deep Ferrus Manus: barely even existed

FM comes back : are you winning son's IH :"yells in dos" you drop common loot father

Really liked the Iron Hands after this ep. Was kinda hoping for more on the clans and how they deviate a bit from the Codex by having the clans be the basis of company structure. Ah well. DK: Istvaan V was a bit of a massacre. Bit of an understatement there lol

I mean, if Ferrus comes back, I just expect him to come back looking like Colossus from Xmen. Y'know, instead of being headless, the Necrodermis will make him... A MetalHead.

Thank you, I've been really excited for this

As an Iron Hands player I don’t mind the head jokes you guys are cool

This is the most i have been able to learn about iron hands in forever. This video makes them sound interesting

Is it just me or are the Iron Hands the perfect counter to the tyrannids?

The iron hands are super interesting. Like how it's a principle of there's that emotion is weakness, but at that same point the only believe that as a form of fear of their weakness. In a way, the Iron Hands shun emotion but are wholey ruled buy it. Also I wish bricky would have talked about named Iron Hands. I know their arnet many and that's the joke but I'm pretty sure theirs one chapter master that still remembers ferris' teachings and still hold on to his flesh.

You three hit a chord with me today. Thank you. Got a few things to face up to and make better.

I the book Wrath Of Iron they go into how the Iron Hands have emotional dampeners installed in there brains to make sure that all there thoughts are not clouded by emotions and such. Later in the book it also goes on about what happens when they turn off the dampeners, and what happens and how they use and deal with all the emotions that end up flooding back

“Emotions are weak. Boopidy boop-boop boop.”

The forge chain isn’t for longevity. It’s to annotate different clan companies. As they move companies they get new forge chain. And the whole fight in silence thing is because their home world has constant sand storms and to yell would just get you a mouth full of grit.

Raven guard next? Done iron hands and Salamanders

Would love a series on the gods and not just the chaos, but eldar gods too

54:15 Bricky: "it is called the iron stone" Dk: *laughs*

My mat came in yesterday. Its really good quality. If you ever do more, I'll buy'em.

top intro music on all of youtube sometimes i even stick around just to hear the outro as well

Not gonna lie was just thinking about the FerrisManis episode and wondered if y'all had an iron hands video. Perfect timing