Is 20TB a big enough hard drive?

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Videobob Moseley

Videobob Moseley

Ай бұрын

I build a 20TB RAID for my computer...
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@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
Let me address what you are going to say, that everyone has repeatedly told me... that RAID-0 is not redundant, that if ONE drive fails you lose your data. Guess what... when your SINGLE drive fails, you lose your data. NO SHIT? That's why you make extra backups, on other drives, on the cloud, on a DVD... whatever. This isn't my first time. I have been editing video since before most of you were born, on tapes. Back when I worked on a fucking TOASTER (if you know what this is) and we had a SCSI-RAID with a cable as wide as your arm. So chill out. I know what I am doing. Shit works.
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming Ай бұрын
@@jeremyolson3837 There are DVDs that do last forever, that are made out of a ceramic substance. You can get a spindle of Panasonic's M-Discs that store 50 - 100 GB each for a reasonable cost and are legitimately good for 100+ years in storage. Not 20TB, but most people have only 100 GB of highly critical personal data, at most, which is worth investing in. Yes, I have raid as well, plus backups, but taking my entire archive of old data and dumping it on less than 10 discs ( versus huge binders before ) was a worthwhile project. That said, yes, a raid array is the simplest option. But if I was a content creator, I'd go with an 8 bay design and use raid 50 or 60 to be safe. 8 bay enclosures are pretty easy to find and having one with a raid controller built-in is a huge advantage versus asking the computer to handle it all for you. Both in reliability but also speed. Yes, 4 or 5K is a lot of money, but losing data... that's just too awful to deal with.
@rickmellor
@rickmellor Ай бұрын
Remember that RAID 0 has no fault tolerance so if you lose one of those drives you lose all data across all five. Also, it is not hot swappable so don’t pull any of those drives out or you’ll lose all the data. These things are pretty reliable these days so the risk is lower than it used to be, but if you want to protect the data you want RAID 1 or 5.
@BlainsTube
@BlainsTube Ай бұрын
When setting up a RAID array, someone should always keep in mind the Big "R"... "Redundant". You're 100% about no fault tolerance. RAID 0 means, a single drive failure and your data is "poof". Bob has uninterrupted power supplies on his audio system, so protection is floating around in his head.
@seanwieland9763
@seanwieland9763 Ай бұрын
RAID is not backup.
@chrispybee
@chrispybee Ай бұрын
@@seanwieland9763nobody said it was. The issue here is that if one disk dies, it’s knackered. Other RAID setups of where you use two disks for storage and the other two for redundancy.
@seanwieland9763
@seanwieland9763 Ай бұрын
@@chrispybee this is why a Synology NAS is my preferred solution.
@artstech
@artstech Ай бұрын
Should of went with Synology and brand name drives. Hopefully those won't have any issues.
@aceenterprise
@aceenterprise Ай бұрын
Some notes (not all the way thru video, so if you go over this, I apologize) that might help (and I'm not trying to bash the video, just trying to share information that may help, because data loss sucks): RAID is not a replacement for backup. RAID offers redundancy in case of drive failure. If data gets corrupted, infected, etc. it's simply going to replicate that same issue across the stripe. If you start with 5 x 4TB drives, in a typical RAID setup (RAID 5 for instance), you won't get 20TB, you'll basically be using one of the drives capacity for the parity stripe (in this case 4TB). So to start with, you'll have 16TB. Then there is also partitioning/formatting overhead and cluster size, which will probably leave you with about 14TB of storage space. If it's important data, I always recommend the 3-2-1 backup method. 3 Copies of the data, stored on 2 media types, with 1 offsite backup. And finally, in recent years, speed is no longer a huge issue when it comes to software vs. hardware RAID, so given the choice, I would choose software RAID. Hardware RAID is a pain in the rear to recover if the controller goes bad. You either have to replace it with the EXACT same hardware controller chip, or spend days deep scanning, hoping and praying it works. Software RAID is nice because it's hardware-agnostic. Actually, just got to the part where you selected RAID 0. I hate they call that RAID, it's not redundant. Please, don't select that. You'll be going from 1 point of failure (single drives you lose 1 drive, you lose all that drives data, but only that drive) to 5 points of failure (if you lose 1 drive, you lose the ENTIRE RAID span, all 5 drives are lost).
@Kahuna_550
@Kahuna_550 Ай бұрын
Bro took his Comptia A+ test serious
@aceenterprise
@aceenterprise Ай бұрын
@@Kahuna_550 Hehe, only certification I ever took was the Networking Essentials, was going to eventually get my MCSE, but after taking that first test, I was done. Too much memorization of stuff that back then you would keep reference books for instead.
@plektosgaming
@plektosgaming Ай бұрын
Also, I agree. Eventually a drive will drop out in a bay like that, usually due to internal error correction and re-allocating blocks taking too long - a known problem with SSDs as they age. Doubly so with multi-layer flash. Running MLC and raid 0 - I've seen it over and over again and those cheap bays plus SSDs is.. I've seen them go bad in as little as a week or so, especially if there's a power failure (or even small brownout) involved. The hardware is fine (not like it shorted out or something) - the array just drops a drive due to how it's all cobbled together and.. poof. Array de-syncs and it's gone. I personally run an 8 bay chassis connected to a UPS ( a must, IMO ). I got mine on sale years ago for about $500 (they normally run about $800-1000). Connect it, set up raid 60, forget about it. EDIT - that's for the NAS "brick". Drives were extra, of course.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
Yep. If you have one drive and lose that drive, you lose everything. I hate this dumb argument.
@aceenterprise
@aceenterprise 29 күн бұрын
@@RobertMoseley I was trying to explain that RAID 0 is actually worse than losing one drive, as it introduces more points of failure. But hey, you do you.
@BlainsTube
@BlainsTube Ай бұрын
Park that RAID array behind a good CyberPower AVR and go with RAID-1 for the "redundancy". If your data is important to you, forget max capacity and mirror your drives.
@JuanCarbajal-oe5pj
@JuanCarbajal-oe5pj Ай бұрын
Much love bob
@jbworkman2218
@jbworkman2218 Ай бұрын
Man, you are a cool guy! Enjoy all your videos
@mxp2000
@mxp2000 Ай бұрын
A software raid can also be moved keeping the array and 1 Drive on the desktop.
@jeffmorrison579
@jeffmorrison579 Ай бұрын
If you know anyone that 3D prints you could get some sleeves inserts printed to hold the drives still to make sure they stay still in the bays .
@BSFJeebus
@BSFJeebus Ай бұрын
Surprisingly, Sabrent makes some pretty good products
@BillCarlson
@BillCarlson Ай бұрын
It all comes down to the use case! If you need a lot of storage (I've got 30TB and looking to upgrade, probably going with a Synology NAS with ~80-120TB of space) I still think right now the best bang for the buck is a hardware NAS with mechanical drives. But for video editing I would recommend dedicated NVME drives in the system, as big as you can afford. Edit them on the NVME then toss them out to the NAS for backup. The reason is bandwidth - NVME drives are 10x faster than Thunderbolt, USB C, 10gig ethernet, or any other external connection (in the consumer space!). Less over head, too. But this will probably out perform whatever your system currently has.
@TeksTherapy
@TeksTherapy Ай бұрын
I'm down for more computer videos ⚡⚡
@PhilipSmyth-yn2eh
@PhilipSmyth-yn2eh Ай бұрын
buyers remorse
@teflon165
@teflon165 Ай бұрын
You are rocking some new age tech there BOB. That is the type of room/resources you need for video editing these days. Well Done friend.
@raaawkstaaar
@raaawkstaaar Ай бұрын
actually outdated already, don't get me wrong it's better than what I have or will probably ever own for I just don't have the need or the disposable cash! I think after he reads all the comments from the techies he'll return all this for NVMe and a better enclosure!
@jillchenicek9197
@jillchenicek9197 Ай бұрын
SSD drives are great, love mine
@EinkOLED
@EinkOLED Ай бұрын
It looks like a toaster made for robots
@SuperBigDog2U
@SuperBigDog2U Ай бұрын
Hope those drives are dependable, and even the actual storage size advertised. Never heard of that brand and I've seem some on Amazon getting off-brand storage that is not what is advertised in storage or dies quickly.
@nicholasnarcowich9163
@nicholasnarcowich9163 Ай бұрын
You are upgrading to something that suits you just fine. I am trying to move away from spinning HDD's and that is soon. I am thinking of trying an SSD on an old Windows XP computer to see if & how well that would work. With all my work, gardening, & I must watch some KZfaq, I may never know... maybe Linus will do a video on that :-) Thank you for sharing :-)
@scentilatingone2148
@scentilatingone2148 Ай бұрын
Use both spinning rust and solid state configured with ZFS.
@frankmastromauro5630
@frankmastromauro5630 Ай бұрын
Good video
@mydogpeaches1
@mydogpeaches1 Ай бұрын
hey there video bob very good video and i know that a lot of people have posted and i might be repeating some things anyway when it comes to most peoples data it’s extremely valuable and you definitely don’t want to lose it now you didn’t sound like you were keeping your data all in one place this is smart however i just wanted to say something because of my personal bad experience and the data recovery process and it was only a single drive was so expensive i didn’t have backup of it and thankfully i got the data back because to lose my files of my dad and my grandparents were talking everything from pictures to videos his family genealogy truly it would be devastating anyway you kind of said what you plan to use the drive an i totally agree doing a hardware raid is the best way to go depending on the systems use it also will give you good performance overall but unless you’re working with massive files that requires a ton of storage for a short period of time i would never recommend a raid zero configuration the changes of a drive or controller failure is just far too high so now everyone has a opinion about what raid configuration to use and what is best an what is not i do have lots of experience with raid 6 it requires a minimum of 4 drives and you can lose 2 of them out of the 4 without losing any data now a hardware raid is the best in my experience however you really want to make sure the controller has battery backup and try to stay with known brands as a controller failing can be catastrophic to your data resulting in complete data loss with no recovery option in certain situations the battery backup is of course there in the event of power loss so any data stored in the controllers cash can be written when power is restored and the last thing you really want to be careful with the place you purchase your storage media as well as the brand as storage capacity being faked is a big problem these days it’s less of a problem if you’re getting the parts from the manufacturers own store on amazon sandisk for example or from a brick and mortar store im not familiar with the brand you picked personally but i will say that in most cases if it’s to good a deal it probably is so i always test the the drives now before i put them in a raid configuration and see if you get data corruption if you fill it half way this is a much harder thing to do on a spinning disk so normally you get what you ordered on a spinning disc plus it’s easier to get the main brands an the last thing with solid-state storage, you are limited on how many reads and writes you have as the flash storage wares and will fall over the an can’t be as easy to recover if needed because if the chips damaged it’s done so a spinning disc has its advantages but now im just rambling sorry for the long post but its helpful i hope 🤞
@tater_salad84
@tater_salad84 Ай бұрын
I've got that Yottamaster model you showed. That sucker is heafty. it weighs about 7 pounds empty. With my 5 18tb seagate enterprise drives in it, it's a good 15 pounds. But it's a great unit.
@Scaryscooby
@Scaryscooby Ай бұрын
i currently use 11TB and just about full again, my back up KZfaq vids and media off my 2 phones take up most of that, i use mainly 1 phone for pics / vids and the other mainly vids. this is X2 as i have backed up on another PC outside the house
@potatochobit
@potatochobit Ай бұрын
Depends if you want to save your original filming before editing. You can always get a second in the future if you need space.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
It is "saved" on the main computer hard drive, then uploaded to KZfaq, then saved on my iCloud, then saved in Time Machine, then BACKED UP on this EXTERNAL enclosure, which is backed up again on another portable drive and put away. It will be fine. It's a mass storage drive.
@farerse
@farerse Ай бұрын
it depends how much porn you need to download
@RoeVenturesLLC
@RoeVenturesLLC Ай бұрын
19:42 4TBx5=Good GamingTower setup a lot use this type setup on Twitch gaming. Good for storage. Want to add not removing a drive otherwise lose all data. “All for 1 and 1 for all.”
@KennyVloggins
@KennyVloggins Ай бұрын
Nice
@charlesbronson5235
@charlesbronson5235 Ай бұрын
20TB 😳😱Wow
@seanwieland9763
@seanwieland9763 Ай бұрын
Blackmagic Cloud Store (which is a device and not “in the cloud”) might be more expensive but it’s also the more reliable and seamless solution on Mac for video editing storage. This solution looks like it could be a little janky, tbh. The no-name SSDs don’t inspire confidence either, but I’m paranoid about data integrity.
@raaawkstaaar
@raaawkstaaar Ай бұрын
I agree, if you're going to spend $8K on a new system don't scrimp on the storage. I predict that fan quits working in 2 months time! If I didn't see that it came from Amazon I would have guessed TEMU! But what do I know my system is older than Bob's and it's PC Windows and my biggest SSD drive is only 1TB. I'd be happy to be able to spend what he spent here on a new tower! LOL
@lasseystad3266
@lasseystad3266 Ай бұрын
Love your videos. Just a heads up in all well meaning. Be very careful with storing valuable things on that device and disks in raid. If one disk goes bad everything will be lost ask me how i know. If I knew what I went through before, I would have gone with a bigger TB dual disk NAS where one disk work as a backup to the other one. That way you will always have a working backup if one disk goes bad. So please what ever you do dont store your valuable memories on that storage you bought. Regards from Sweden.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
People keep telling me this as if we don't know this shit. IF you your SINGLE hard drive fails... you lose your shit. If your multi disk drives fail, you lose your shit. No shit. No fucking shit. You are kidding? You mean to tell me if your solid state drive fails you lose your data? You got to be kidding? REALLY?
@lasseystad3266
@lasseystad3266 Ай бұрын
@@RobertMoseley All I said was keep backup of the backup IF you store valuable things. I know you have some really valuable videos from old times with Pantera etc, just didnt want you to loose it. Hard for a viewer to know what you know and I think thats why so many commented on it. Just want you to be safe, thats all. Regards from Sweden.
@kellyanderson7115
@kellyanderson7115 Ай бұрын
I've written off 2.5 ssd's. Everything is going nvme. The real world lifetime of nvme drives is way longer than necessary for most people. I bought a 2TB nvme that I'm in the process of swapping into my notebook. I'll take the old 1TB nvme and swap it into my server that currently is using a 512G. Then the 512G will go into an external USB case. They're great for trickle-down upgrades.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
Those are cool but they cost more to do the same thing I needed.
@MASS_ONE
@MASS_ONE Ай бұрын
all I know is I miss Windows XP. technology is getting crazy. electric cars and A I and robots need to goooo
@trainman665
@trainman665 27 күн бұрын
Glad I’m not the only one!
@harlanmartin9964
@harlanmartin9964 Ай бұрын
Video Bob.....I just want to add....I know you are a smart dude and in no way am I bashing at all.......but, I have built every machine I own, and I have to have a machine that is the best of the best as it is my tool box.....I use AutoCAD and engineer kitchens ..... I went thru years of using PC parts that always failed.......I look at it like this, I started sparing no expense when in comes to my tool box and Corsair products are very good in RAM, SSD's, and cooling.......water cooled shit
@anasevi9456
@anasevi9456 Ай бұрын
I agree you should not cheap out, more so with storage. But Corsair is not perfect, the problem with so many of these computer companies is they contract out like mad. You cannot put the same weight into their brand as cars.
@harlanmartin9964
@harlanmartin9964 Ай бұрын
@@anasevi9456 I understand..... but I have tried and true results with Corsair for over 15 years ..... and if something fails, which never has, they will replace it
@raaawkstaaar
@raaawkstaaar Ай бұрын
Can I educate you without offending? An ellipsis ( ... ) consists of three evenly spaced periods and is used to indicate the omission of words or suggest an incomplete thought. In general, an ellipsis should be treated as a three-letter word, with a space, three periods and a space.
@harlanmartin9964
@harlanmartin9964 Ай бұрын
@@raaawkstaaar an ellipse to me is a 20 x 26 serving tray at a high end restaurant
@intel66
@intel66 Ай бұрын
@markrosenberg4614
@markrosenberg4614 Ай бұрын
22tb sandisk ssd is $600 now, in a case warranteed.
@thadoggma
@thadoggma Ай бұрын
Read the title more carefully! "SanDisk Professional 22TB G-Drive Enterprise-Class External Desktop Hard Drive - 7200RPM Ultrastar HDD Inside"
@tonycoffee7335
@tonycoffee7335 Ай бұрын
20TB.. that should be big enough for the GTA 6 install.
@harlanmartin9964
@harlanmartin9964 Ай бұрын
go check out Corsair
@BSFJeebus
@BSFJeebus Ай бұрын
unfortunately, the SATA SSD speeds will be limited by the interface, 800+ MB is decent, an M.2 NVMe RAID enclosure is probably the way to go. With modern PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 SSDs, you're talking up to 7,000MB+
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
fucking thing transferred a 4GB video in 1 second. How much faster do I really need this to be?
@Zeldachief128
@Zeldachief128 Ай бұрын
I've got 32 TB myself but your calculations are a tad off on this one Bob. Ok, the connection you have going from the drive bay is 10 Giga BIT per second. Not byte. There is a difference. The particular drives you got are able to read up to 560 Mega BYTES per second and write up to 500 MB/s. NVMes, while more expensive, can read/write anywhere from 3,000-7,000 MB/s, 10 times faster than your standard SSD. Yeah if you're building a NAS, speed isn't necessarily always your priority, but if you were doing something, say editing a video for KZfaq and the video files were being pulled from the NAS, that's where you can experience a bottleneck, under heavier loads. Not too shabby otherwise, but just because the bay says "10 Gbps." No. RAIDs can fail as well. Just because it's an SSD doesn't mean it's fullproof. RAID5 is the best bang for your buck because, while you'd only have 16TB instead of your 20...you could at least have a drive fail and not lose any data. Thus you could replace it if need be without losing anything.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
I just bought the M2 Ultra, max spec, 8TB internal, so I will only use this for storage.
@Zeldachief128
@Zeldachief128 Ай бұрын
@@RobertMoseley I dig it! You're absolutely right though. I work in the field. USB C ain't going anywhere for a while, bet my IRA on it
@DougForce
@DougForce Ай бұрын
No redundancy is the only issue with RAID 0 - how will you back it up? Cloud?
@BlainsTube
@BlainsTube Ай бұрын
Bob definitely needs some version of a "redundant" RAID array. I'm sure he cares about the integrity of his data.
@Irishgip1
@Irishgip1 Ай бұрын
Merch shop?? When ya gonna start selling VideoBob shirts and other things?? Magnets, coffee mugs etc. That’ll be money sir.
@thadoggma
@thadoggma Ай бұрын
You'd never see the rated speeds from NVMe drives in an external enclosure like that. SATA SSD's are probably the cheapest fastest option in your use case.
@PeepingTime
@PeepingTime Ай бұрын
👀
@vanbraxton8422
@vanbraxton8422 Ай бұрын
Send the other 1 back
@vanbraxton8422
@vanbraxton8422 Ай бұрын
Call in your computer guy & make another video😅
@claudiaclaudia936
@claudiaclaudia936 Ай бұрын
😅WTFIT?
@derekw6811
@derekw6811 Ай бұрын
Definitely not a hot swap unit. That’s not how any of this works.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
Not in a 0 config, but possible in this enclosure: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CM73VQKH?th=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=videobob-20&linkId=a9b1b846a754df1c642cf5388acd8f8f&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
@charlesbronson5235
@charlesbronson5235 Ай бұрын
WTF you think that’s enough memory? 😂😂😂😂😂
@raffe65
@raffe65 Ай бұрын
🙂👍🇸🇪❤️
@MASS_ONE
@MASS_ONE Ай бұрын
why are there so many haters in the comments
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
cause they can't afford this shit I guess?
@MASS_ONE
@MASS_ONE Ай бұрын
@@RobertMoseley I can't afford a Rolex n I enjoy. Just haters.
@LandmineX1970
@LandmineX1970 Ай бұрын
You should consult Linus Tech Tips. That would be an awesome collab video!!
@skid599
@skid599 Ай бұрын
Not enough memory Bob. My videos are at least 30TB. Amazon is trash too.
@MASS_ONE
@MASS_ONE Ай бұрын
how long are they? holyyy crapp
@rickylongboard9222
@rickylongboard9222 Ай бұрын
Video bald mostly
@harlanmartin9964
@harlanmartin9964 Ай бұрын
ssd's are the shit but that case you got there for them is trash man
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
why?
@harlanmartin9964
@harlanmartin9964 Ай бұрын
@@RobertMoseley I just wouldnt put 5 cheap ssd's in a case like that.....that one small fan will not create enough cool air running thru.....and I would never, ever array more than 5 Tb drives together.....if you have that much info, its probably important.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
@@harlanmartin9964 I have always had multi drive raids, usually 4, spinning drives. Been lucky that none have failed. I usually have extra backups on regular cheap externals.
@mantafahrer5346
@mantafahrer5346 Ай бұрын
@@RobertMoseley Because SSDs get significantly hotter under load. It's like a cheap bracelet on a Rolex or cheap boxes on one Bang & Olufsen Attachment. PS: Also think about a backup so that the data is not lost if the part ever wears out.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
@@mantafahrer5346 These actually don't. They aren't working that hard. I had them transferring 10TB worth of stuff for a long time and they weren't that hot.
@sk8er4lifeez
@sk8er4lifeez Ай бұрын
I'm a tech dude and let me tell you 20TB is a joke.
@RobertMoseley
@RobertMoseley Ай бұрын
I have a 16TB now that is half full, it will be fine.
@raaawkstaaar
@raaawkstaaar Ай бұрын
depends on one's needs and budget...I only have 1TB SSD w/ (2) 2TB WDD's so 20TB would be a wet dream for me! Reading many of these comments really confirms how technology out of date my set up is LOL
@raaawkstaaar
@raaawkstaaar Ай бұрын
@@jeremyolson3837 I have no need for a server or any reason for a HD that large! I also have a cell phone from 2019. I still wear my Air Jordan's and VANS from HS and that was 34 years ago! lol
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