Spf with Alkohol tends to sting my eyes... 😣

@@Stephanie-hq6py most likely actually the fact that it's a chemical sunscreen!! i personally don't have any problems with my moisturizer which contains alcohol, but I do with chemical sunscreens

They are great in spf , Skin Aqua Sunscreen has it and that's from Japan .

@@Stephanie-hq6py it's common if you have sensitive eyes , do you have it with other European Organic Filters too ? If so I would wear a mineral one just in eyes and eye areas . Hope that might help ?

@@johncheffy4775 I love the Skin Aqua GOLD. It just stings my eyes so bad. 🥺

Could be a poorly formulated hand sanitiser - anecdotally my mum's hospital provides a few because people had different sensitivities, it took her a few goes to find one that was good for her hands

haha love it when things like this happen

Could be a poorly formulated hand sanitiser - anecdotally my mum's hospital provides a few because people had different sensitivities, it took her a few goes to find one that was good for her hands

Doesn't seem to make a huge difference even on broken skin that's already irritated pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35460528/

Alcohol has been found not to damage the skin barrier, even when already compromised

it is used as a solvent and it makes the texture feel lighter

The tingling does come from the alcohol, but it's been found that it doesn't translate to harm to skin, it just shows that your barrier is damaged. Kind of like how water will do the same on a paper cut...

@@LabMuffinBeautyScience ooooh yeah then my barrier is just generally in bad shape. After contact with water it usually feels like cracking, alcohol feels the same but tenfold...

Yeah my oily dehydrated skin also can't handle it. I think the product itself has to be formulated to still be hydrating enough as she said but I haven't found anything that outweighs it on my skin. So yeah maybe we're to sensitive lol

There's no evidence for this - the study that found free radicals was based on what happens in the liver when you drink alcohol.

Damn I use adapelene and spf in my alchol is so good

Depends on what it's doing to your face - your face tends to be more sensitive, especially if you use a lot of active ingredients. Facial skin also tends to have more pores, so the potential for clogged pores is greater.

Most products have moisturisers in them, which prevents the dehydration from happening in the first place. It's like saying rollercoasters are unsafe without safety harnesses, but most rollercoasters have safety harnesses

asian people are POC...

It could be any of the other ingredients in the very long list, many of which are far more associated with inflammation and irritation - why single out the one that has very little evidence of skin barrier disruption?

@@LabMuffinBeautyScienceI thought the same initially. These are new filters. Maybe true in theory, for skin at baseline, but patient testimonials and experience are also sufficient evidence, especially where already compromised skin is concerned. I think there is way too much alcohol in the new UVmune formulas and not enough moisturizing ingredients to balance it all out for my eczema prone skin. I have fewer issues with Eucerin's new sunscreen with alcohol in lower concentration. I got a physical burn from immediate use of the new LRP sunscreens. Funny enough it was the new Hydrating UVmune that caused more irritation than the new lighter shaka fluid version. My guess is the alcohol concentration matters. Just not good to market it safe for already compromised skin. My derm also indicated that in practice it is not recommended that patients with sensitive skin and eczema use alcohol based products. I agree with you it really depends on the formula. And alcohol can cause dehydration like you said for baseline skin. However, the more dehydration eczema skin is exposed to the more chance of a burn according to my derm. Curious why aren't there more studies re alcohol on facial skin vs. hand sanitizers on hand skin? Why didn't you include studies on facial skin for comparison?

I mean any of the other ingredients - there are about 30 in the list, so it could be any of them or a combination, and on top of that there's concentration effects. The issue with testimonials based on products is that you can't identify which ingredient or ingredient combo is the culprit. Unfortunately a lot of dermatologists aren't entirely on top of the literature when it comes to non-drug ingredients and their effects on skin. Here's a breakdown of the research on alcohol in skincare: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLpdacWLupaRkmw.html There are more studies on hand skin because governments allocate research funding based on expected benefit - it's much easier to get funding t research how to deal with healthcare workers' hand eczema than for skincare.

Same deal, depends on the formula.

Hahhahaha yep!

But there's no known mechanism by which alcohol would wreck your skin barrier, aside from dehydration (which can be overcome with other ingredients)? If your skin barrier is already compromised (e.g. by using tret), alcohol will make it sting, but stinging doesn't mean damage (e.g. plain water stings cuts). See this video for more details: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLpdacWLupaRkmw.html

It doesn't seem to be an issue even for compromised skin barriers - much less irritating than surfactants + water pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35460528/

@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I’m sure nobody appreciates the stingy feeling you can get from some high alcohol containing products. I’ve had personal experience with this. Even if it’s technically not bad. I wonder were all the certified derms that say to avoid it if you do have compromised skincare barrier get their info from? Must be different research papers.

@@SpaceOutlaw_ yeah I think in another comment she clarified that if you feel a tingle the barrier is already not healthy which I think applies to my skin. Don't know if I'll ever get "healthy" skin so I'm just gonna stay away from alcohol in products.

Much of the research was done on people with hand eczema pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35460528/