Is Biblical Faith a Blind Leap in the Dark? with Shane Rosenthal

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Alisa Childers

Alisa Childers

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Faith is one of the most misunderstood concepts in Christianity. Some think it's a blind leap in the dark with no evidence to back it up. Others think it's a force you wield in order to manifest certain realities. Still others think it's the opposite of doubt, and something that only exists with absolute certainty. The "Humble Skeptic" Shane Rosenthal joins the podcast to bust some myths about faith! Check out Shane's free resource, "What is Faith?"
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@theprincipledtransformatio6152
@theprincipledtransformatio6152 Жыл бұрын
I long ago discarded the notion Christian faith is not intellectually responsible. I've had a number of athiest/agnostic/skeptic friends, and when I was honest with myself, some of their questions and accusaitons needed to be addressed. I've spent many years looking for answers and much of who I am as a Christian is as much due to my skeptic friends as it is from the pulpit, because the criticism and challenges I received made me dig deeper and question. I think my faith is so much stronger for doing so, than it would have been without that process, and I am actually grateful when someone challenges my faith because of this.
@LindeeLove
@LindeeLove Жыл бұрын
I know you will say it is a cumulative case, but can you tell just a single piece of evidence that you find to be very compelling that convinces you that Yahweh/Jesus created our universe?
@theprincipledtransformatio6152
@theprincipledtransformatio6152 Жыл бұрын
@@LindeeLove The crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the most compelling evidence. That said, I am not going to get into a debate on a KZfaq comments thread. This just isn't an appropriate place, and I find little use for debate. Debate is not what I do, because it is non-productive. People generally don't change their world-views via debate. I do listen to ideas and challenges I've never heard before, but I am not going to debate, and especially with someone I know nothing of.
@vickilynn2778
@vickilynn2778 Жыл бұрын
@@LindeeLove The single piece of evidence is the bible. The "Truth" about our Creator is found throughout the whole bible, for example Proverbs 30:4.
@LindeeLove
@LindeeLove Жыл бұрын
@@vickilynn2778 So you just have a bunch of claims in a story book? That is your evidence. I hope you don't think that faith is a virtue, because it is not. It is gullibility.
@dabbler1166
@dabbler1166 Жыл бұрын
@@LindeeLove Suppose you have a friend who you've known for a long time. Lets say that your time with him has shown him to be a level-headed guy, who's opinions, when you checked them out, turn out to be nearly always what he said they were. So, you Trust him. or "have Faith" in him. Now, he comes along with some NEW opinion or viewpoint on something. He tells you what his opinion of it is, but hasn't given you a reason. Would you refuse to believe him? Many people might easily say: "I'll trust him. After all, 90% of his other opinions have checked out. Maybe not immediately, but time has shown them to be right, and I've known him a long time. There's been enough real things that I can, or have, seen from him, that I can put my trust in him for this, too". That's a better way of understanding Faith.
@davejsullivan
@davejsullivan Жыл бұрын
I'm in no way skeptical of the Bible but I'm always skeptical about teachers and teachings. They must jive with what I understand from the Bible. Pastors, especially the more charismatic ones I know, see my skepticism as a hindrance to God's power in my life. How dare I question the words they proclaim! haha. I've learned to embrace my skepticism as a form of discernment. It has actually served me well so far.
@jimfarnell5813
@jimfarnell5813 Жыл бұрын
It’s called “being a Berean” (Acts 17:11-12)😊
@alicejump2290
@alicejump2290 Жыл бұрын
Raised by a Christian grandmother, baptized at 12, yet not saved! A pastor came to our home, as a young mother, I couldn’t answer truthfully his question m “are you saved”! He invited us to a series examining the Bible and salvation! I went and keep asking God, “ show me, if you are real! “ through the lessons and Bible readings, I was convinced and through repentance, asked for salvation and forgiveness! Committed to a restored soul and Following His righteousness!
@01Camillag
@01Camillag Жыл бұрын
Our subjective experience of faith needs to line up with the objective object of our faith.
@pwillow61
@pwillow61 Жыл бұрын
Paul wrote that faith is a gift from God. I don't hear you speak of this. I get you are focusing on the apologetic of faith, but don't lose the saving grace of God. I thank God for giving me faith, right here, right now. Amen.
@baronreed8131
@baronreed8131 Жыл бұрын
As Dr. Michael Heiser always said, it boils down to believing, loyalty as well as a worldview like the first century Jewish believers had. An old Christian friend once told me whenever my christianity becomes about me, it's no longer Christianity. Its all about Jesus Christ and those around us. Maybe we simply need to watch out for those that teach otherwise.
@JustHereToHear
@JustHereToHear Жыл бұрын
Can you help me where i can find Heisers sermons, documentaries, essays etc? I was blessed by a few of his documentaries but i could not locate a source where i can find all his content
@ceegee777
@ceegee777 Жыл бұрын
@@cassiem2528I’m not sure if this is what Baron meant but here is a possible scripture: Mar 12:30 and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' Mar 12:31 The second is this: 'You must love your neighbor as yourself.' No other commandment is greater than these."
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
"As Dr. Michael Heiser always said" *Bless his wife and son's hearts. I hurt very deeply for them. I am overjoyed for Mike. He isn't thinking about anyone or anything here. Having died myself by drowning I know exactly what he felt when he stepped out of his body. No one wants to come back. But his wife and son must be heartbroken. I felt for them more than I thought I would.*
@BeanBeanBeanski
@BeanBeanBeanski Жыл бұрын
​@@JustHereToHear look for the Naked Bible podcast
@christymosher1142
@christymosher1142 Жыл бұрын
@@cassiem2528 because God didn’t send his Son to die for a decapitated body. Jesus is the head of the Body, the Church. He “ made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant…” And in the same way we serve…those around us.”
@Nikki-MMG
@Nikki-MMG Жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview!!! And thank you, @AlisaChilders for sharing what you said about having had your fill of emotional faith for a time. I didn't realize others had experienced that too. I had what I considered "1 Corinthians baby milk" spewing out my nose, last year, from the over-emphasis of emotional experience/coddling at the previous 4 churches I was with (before my current healthy church gatherings). I know God is teaching me something through it. I even stepped away from leading worship after 4 decades of it. I'm going to just allow God to work through my intellectual side until He brings me full circle. I don't want anything to do with emotional faith right now. I'll sing from the back and ignore the comments about going on stage lol. Actually people finally stopped suggesting it, thankfully. I got sick of deflecting lol. I don't want to offend people's "compliments". I know they think they are being encouraging. I'll see you at CIA online.
@SteveWV
@SteveWV Жыл бұрын
Hebrews 11:1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
@mathieuguillet4036
@mathieuguillet4036 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! God's blessings be upon you! 🙏🏼
@missfizz2386
@missfizz2386 Жыл бұрын
Very edifying video, thank you both.
@tinekedijk7385
@tinekedijk7385 8 ай бұрын
The Complete Jewish Bible often translates the word Faith as Trust . So helpful.
@RainbowMan.
@RainbowMan. Жыл бұрын
Beautiful!! 😍
@kimbeaty1187
@kimbeaty1187 Жыл бұрын
Hi Alisa! I was wondering if you could comment on your recommendation for The White Horse Inn, specifically in relation to Walter Strickland coming on boArd? Do you have any concerns about his liberation theology - CRT leaning tendencies? Thank you!
@paulgemme6056
@paulgemme6056 Жыл бұрын
Peace be with you! Jesus is the King of Glory! This is not our home. The days are evil. We are going home soon.
@rachelgriffin6447
@rachelgriffin6447 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping to access the two responses at minute 33, but there are no links. Or am I missing something?
@terriwhalen3618
@terriwhalen3618 Жыл бұрын
Amen, thank you for this informative video. We are to test Everything we hear with God's Word to see if it truly lines up. I would agree, this is a form of good skepticism!
@JeffreyMcPheeters
@JeffreyMcPheeters Жыл бұрын
That should be interesting. As a Christian and background in science education I’ve often felt we are the more skeptical by nature, having a tested anchor to Truth, whereas the so called secular skeptics look more to me like ships without a rudder being tossed from one narrative to another as the waves of the culture dictate at the moment.
@velkyn1
@velkyn1 Жыл бұрын
Tested anchor to truth? How so? You have no evidence your god merely exists, or has done anything christians claim.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
*I was in the middle of interviewing and negotiating to go on staff one of the DFW areas many Mega-Churches. I remember sitting in the Green Room just off stage with the Pastor who founded the Church, his Exec Pastor and 2 other men who really weren't that memorable either. But this Pastor asked me 'Are you more negative in your thinking as you approach certain situations or are you more positive and optimistic?' Without batting an eye I said 'I am neither. I am REALISTIC in my thinking as I approach situations.' He looked very perplexed and then ask 'Can you tell me what you mean specifically?' To which I said, 'Because if I assess a situation that is critical in nature & I color the data I'm assessing with a more positive slant than is warranted I will not implement a plan that is serious and detrimental enough to resolve it efficiently & likewise, if I assess a situation doesn't indicate a truly serious threat but I color the data with a negative slant then I'll be prone to take a sledgehammer to a horsefly and squander time and resources in the process.' Now, this is right after he had gone for about 20 mins about what a Positive thinker he is. The look on his face will never be forgotten by me. See, I don't value skepticism anymore than I value any other kind of 'ism' when it comes to assessing information. The skeptic often looks for reasons to disbelieve. That is an information filter. We cannot afford to have those in our minds.*
@velkyn1
@velkyn1 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthchannel349 as usual TTC makes little sense. It's nothing new that he has no filter in his mind, considering the conspiracy theories he accepts ignorantly.
@StageWatcher
@StageWatcher Жыл бұрын
@@velkyn1 What would you accept as an evidence for God's existence?
@velkyn1
@velkyn1 Жыл бұрын
@@StageWatcher "What would you accept as an evidence for God's existence?" a chatty burning bush. This god coming down and having a chat with me. An amputee getting a limb back would go a long way. I was a christian, prayed not to lose my faith, and surprise, no god did anything at all. This god should be able to provide evidence, and know what I would accept, just like it supposedly provided evidence for Gideon and Thomas. I have a question for you: what would you accept as evidence another god existed than yours?
@marciegunter1049
@marciegunter1049 Жыл бұрын
Where do you find his free resource? (I couldn’t find it.)
@parkcitypj1
@parkcitypj1 Жыл бұрын
Where is the link to the PDF you said would be in the show notes. There's nothing but promotional links.
@carlafoss9248
@carlafoss9248 Жыл бұрын
I think I can come to both conferences!!!
@cherylcb54
@cherylcb54 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, thought-provoking discussion on Christian faith. I can't find the PDF that was mentioned.
@lainiegresham3996
@lainiegresham3996 Жыл бұрын
I came here for this reason too - there isn’t a link 🤷🏻‍♀️
@paulbriggs3072
@paulbriggs3072 Жыл бұрын
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED THE SCRIPTURES EVERY DAY to see if what Paul said was true. (Acts 17:11) So they were not Kool-Aid drinkers but examined the Bible to see if these things were true.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
True. But that isn't skepticism. That is showing great wisdom.
@TeachMeLordGod
@TeachMeLordGod Жыл бұрын
I try to tell people that sometimes when you don't see it for yourself or didn't witness it doesn't make it untrue or fake. The absence of evidence doesn't mean something didn't happen especially when other things happen around us as a chain reaction due to said cause (but not the direct cause itself) can prove as well that there is more than what meets the eye. Imagine being blind, deaf and paralyzed, if everything a lie then?
@velkyn1
@velkyn1 Жыл бұрын
the absence of evidence is strong indicate that a claim isn't true. It's always rather fun to see this claimed for the bible, when christians whine that if we haven't seen various concepts in science, they can't be true.
@jimfarnell5813
@jimfarnell5813 Жыл бұрын
Biblical faith is not a blind leap but simple step in following where the Scripture & the supporting evidence leads…
@parkcitypj1
@parkcitypj1 Жыл бұрын
Great questions every Christian should ask themselves and be able to answer with conviction. Why is your Christian faith true as compared to those who claim they to are "christian" yet do not hold to the biblical tradition and teachings.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
Huh?
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
*Faith is simply what you believe based on a foundation of accumulated knowledge. Thats it. Its nothing less. Nothing more.*
@thomasjalbert1424
@thomasjalbert1424 Жыл бұрын
In vain, do I look for a PDF document in the description !
@mattr.1887
@mattr.1887 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it is.
@zoebrugg7594
@zoebrugg7594 Жыл бұрын
I have a series question, Alisa; is Christiananity dying? I've heard this question in my textbook and is a talking point for plenty of videos. But you're smart and a wiser woman then me. And so far, this question has bothered me.
@S_F_D_
@S_F_D_ Жыл бұрын
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
35:44 I can't find any verse in Deuteronomy saying in the absolute "don't follow your heart" ...
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
35:52 The reference to Ecclesiastes 9:3 actually doesn't state that there _is_ insanity or evil in the hearts of men, but that a certain circumstance fills these with it ... Ecclesiastes is warning against disillusionment. Not "the heart" in general.
@markdeduke606
@markdeduke606 Жыл бұрын
Two passages are quite clear on Christians being more skeptical ; Proverbs 3:5-6-5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; 6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. And 2 Corinthians 10:5-5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
@JewandGreek
@JewandGreek Жыл бұрын
Your heart is not deceitful and wicked if you're born again and indwelt by the Holy Spirit because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts and He lives in our hearts to lead us and guide us into all truth. We're new creatures in Christ, and are partakers of the divine nature. These are new creation realities. The deceitful heart stuff was BC.
@CherylHaurik
@CherylHaurik Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos. Praying for you everyday. We can't find hope and peace in this world but there is one that can give us true hope and peace. Because he Loved us: John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Because of his Grace: Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Because of Hope: Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
7:57 In fact, I try to find the reference in Proverbs 17, and neither Douay Rheims (my normal go to) nor KJV have "believes everything" ....
@Dazies4JJ
@Dazies4JJ Жыл бұрын
Proverbs 14:15 New International Version 15 The simple believe anything, but the prudent give thought to their steps.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
@@Dazies4JJ Here is Douay Rheims: *The **_innocent_** believeth every word: the discreet man considereth his steps. No good shall come to the deceitful son: but the wise servant shall prosper in his dealings, and his way shall be made straight.*
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
Haydock comment has: Ver. 15. Innocent. Good and unsuspecting; (Jos. ix. 14. and 1 Cor. xiii. 7.) or rather credulous. 1 Jo. iv. 1. C. --- Sept. "the man who is not bad." --- Steps. Sept. "repenteth." H. --- No, &c. This occurs (C. xiii. 13.) in several copies: but here it is omitted in Heb. &c.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
The LXX has the same verse division as you. So, only first half of what I quoted. ἄκακος πιστεύει παντὶ λόγῳ, πανοῦργος δὲ ἔρχεται εἰς μετάνοιαν. translated as: The simple believes every word: but the prudent man betakes himself to after-thought. Not forethought, but afterthought ... I think the translation "simple" and "prudent" owe more to your translation than to "akakos" and "panourgos" ... I'll look the words up.
@Dazies4JJ
@Dazies4JJ Жыл бұрын
@@hglundahl the scripture that he references is Proverbs 14 and you are looking at Proverbs 17. There in lies the issue. I am unfamiliar with the translation in which you are posting. Have never heard of it and tbh have no interest in the Catholic Bible. I was just giving you the scripture reference that the speaker actually references and it is Proverbs 14. If you go back and listen he gives Proverbs 14. Not 17. 😊
@JamesRichardWiley
@JamesRichardWiley Жыл бұрын
Wikipedia: "Faith is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept. In the context of religion, one can define faith as “belief” or “trust” in the doctrines or teachings of religion. According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, faith has multiple definitions including “something that is believed especially with strong conviction”, “complete trust”, “belief” and “firm belief” for which there is no proof”. The New Strong’s Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words states that “pistis is used of belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same." Hebrews 11:1 states that "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen"." My reply: Testing for reliable information comes first followed by faith and trust as long as it continues to be reliable. Bible stories written by anonymous authors about long ago people and events cannot be tested for reliability.
@robbchristopher158
@robbchristopher158 Жыл бұрын
I've decided that I want to become an Eastern Catholic.
@davidcantu6996
@davidcantu6996 Жыл бұрын
17 as it is written, "I have made you the father of many nations"-in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. 18 In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, "So shall your offspring be." 19 He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah's womb. 20 No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21 fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. (Romans 4:17-21, ESV)
@joshbeard9809
@joshbeard9809 Жыл бұрын
On E=MC2. Since it is based on the theory of special relativity and theories are not laws. E=MC2 could be wrong. Question everything.
@martinopper1523
@martinopper1523 Жыл бұрын
As babies we completely trust our parents so I suppose when we are born again we trust without knowing everything about Jesus and God. 2 Peter 1:5-6 comes to mind.
@ianliggett3063
@ianliggett3063 Жыл бұрын
Seems like Alisa believes the gospel is only for those who are able to hear it.
@nfcapps
@nfcapps Жыл бұрын
Only non Christians think it's a blind leap. This is the same difference between holding information about an issue and having knowledge about that same issue. Why do they think we spend so much time evangelizing and apologizing (as in apologetic) to non believers?
@TeachMeLordGod
@TeachMeLordGod Жыл бұрын
Seriously for real. I had a nonbelievers accuse me of saying that when they quite a piece of scripture out of context (specifically about the book of Timothy about women staying silent and not teaching men and they were trying to silence me wrongly on that basis) and said of course it is only out of context so it can fit your view, like yikes... can't talk to someone like that. I feel like I get into more debates/arguments more than anything.
@sanjeevgig8918
@sanjeevgig8918 Жыл бұрын
YOU read in a book that god created the universe out of nothing; created Adam out of dirt; created Eve from his rib; god impregnated a virgin girl in Israel who gave birth to a son of god; a dead man rose after three days and then ascended to heaven; and if you "accept" this story, you too are going there. And you say there is no blind leaps in there ??!! LOL
@nfcapps
@nfcapps Жыл бұрын
@@sanjeevgig8918 and you are obviously a non Christian who has not actually considered anything beyond the basic information talking points you learned through interacting with a Judeo-Christian society. Thanks for proving my point so thoroughly. You are mistaken that our only point of reference is the Bible. Again, just proving even more how correct my original point was in all facets.
@sanjeevgig8918
@sanjeevgig8918 Жыл бұрын
@@nfcapps CAN you provide any NON-biblical writings from any writer who was a contemporary of Jesus who wrote about his miracles OR his ministry or his divinity ??!! I'll wait. LOL
@nfcapps
@nfcapps Жыл бұрын
@@sanjeevgig8918 again, thanks for so thoroughly proving my original point. But when I said that isn't the only point of reference we use for belief, that's not what I meant. I'll wait while you look for the same from Mohammad's contemporaries. Let me know when you have those references and we will trade.
@thejohn17project15
@thejohn17project15 Жыл бұрын
Nowhere in scripture are we called to be skeptical. I challenge everyone to look up the definition of skeptical and skepticism in multiple dictionaries. It is to have an attitude of doubt. There is a big difference between judging biblically, i.e. discernment, and having an attitude of doubt and unbelief. Skepticism is in no way the same as biblical discernment. Neither are the two compatible. Skepticism is a worldly way of thinking not a Godly one. Scripture says to test all things not to come at things with lenses of doubt and unbelief over your eyes.
@theeternalsbeliever1779
@theeternalsbeliever1779 Жыл бұрын
Paul told the Thessalonians to _test_ all things (1 Thess. 5:21). John stated that a Christian shouldn't believe everything they hear, and that they ought to _test_ what they hear(1 Jhn 4:1). So yes, the Bible does say Christians should be skeptical. Paul praised the Bereans as being noble because they looked into the scriptures to test what he preached against what they read instead of just taking his word for it.
@thejohn17project15
@thejohn17project15 Жыл бұрын
No the Bible does not say to be doubtful and unbelieving. That is the literal definition of skepticism. Testing things against scripture is wise and discerning not doubting and unbelief. Show me any verse that says we are to approach things in the body of Christ with doubt and unbelief.
@jaquirox6579
@jaquirox6579 Жыл бұрын
Wow Alisa… you really sold out for the sponsor money. Scripture says to freely give, what was freely given to you. Of course you can and should make an income from your work, but there does begin a point where you are just gathering in excess, and at the expense of the Body that’s trying to actually learn from your content. You had already previously divided your content and put half behind a paywall, so why is it even necessary now to also do ads every few mins? Seems excessive imo. I greatly enjoyed your content a couple years ago, before you went so heavy this direction. Now I struggle to watch 1 video, knowing that I can switch it to many others who don’t ram products the entire video.
@dabbler1166
@dabbler1166 Жыл бұрын
What is Faith? Hebrews 11:1-6 New King James Version Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks. By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. ******************************************* Skeptics will pooh-pooh Faith as Blind belief. I don't think it is. I think of it more as a TRUST that we have, in God, that while we may not be able to explain everything, it is worth having trust (Faith) because there are enough things that we can see that point in the direction of there being an intelligent Creator. It would be interesting, in verse one, above, to get a bible dictionary and look up the word "Substance". Preachers often quote these verses but never tell us what "Substance" actually means. While we're at it, we should also look up the meaning of the word "evidence" and how it is defined (instead of just reading it). Also, where it talks about "the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible."....this gets me thinking of Creation, energy, power, astronomy, God, and there's enough there, to have FAITH, that someone (God) is behind it all. There is enough that we can see, to have trust, about what we can't see and an intelligent creator. My opinion. Skeptics will counter that there could be no God and that the Universe was always here. My comeback to that is: But even skeptics don't think the Universe and it's rocks, dirt, water and gases are ALIVE. So, HOW did self-aware and intelligent humans ever come from an UN-intelligent and un-aware Universe?? On the other hand, If there is an intelligent creator God, it wouldn't be that big of a deal to make us, with a spark of it...i.e..."in our image, after our likeness." So again, another "pointer", worthy of putting trust in (Faith).
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
That is a description of faith not a definition.
@dabbler1166
@dabbler1166 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthchannel349 this is a non-issue. You are severely "splitting hairs" here. I feel confident that many many folks would frequently consider a description to work just fine as a definition, or for the two of them to be inter-changeable. This is quibbling over nothing. Read it again. Its USEFUL as it is. And its Biblical. Be happy. (more below) ********************************************************* On a different note-- I often read what others say in the comments. They have the right to have their say and their opinion. Its what a comments section is for. But-- If you've done even a little comment-reading on your own....have you noticed?.....i find it remarkable that ssooooo many people who leave a comment DO NOT cite or quote ANY Bible verses at all, to back up their own points! Did they just become Christians only last week? Amazing.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
@@dabbler1166 *If you understood what FAITH is you wouldn't view it as splitting hairs. Using Hebrews 11 as a definition OF Faith is one reason why people are still so confused about what Faith is, How Faith Comes and how it Functions.*
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
@@dabbler1166 "i find it remarkable that ssooooo many people who leave a comment DO NOT cite or quote ANY Bible verses at all, to back up their own points!" *You are merely easily impressed and subtly amused*
@dabbler1166
@dabbler1166 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthchannel349 OMG. READ your own Bible in hebrews 11: 1. It says: Faith IS . . . The Bible itself is giving us the definition of what it is.
@reality1958
@reality1958 Жыл бұрын
Considering much of the biblical claims contradict evidence one could make the case that much of it is a leap.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
*Will you just stop already?*
@reality1958
@reality1958 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthchannel349 stop what?
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
Allow me to be 'skeptical' in your interpretation of Proverbs 14. The 'simple man' here is a FOOL who is un-wise in his affairs and gets into trouble because he isn't prudent. This is not talking about FAITH. Its talking about WISDOM.
@DonaldSeymourjr
@DonaldSeymourjr Жыл бұрын
I've leaped in the dark blindly. AND to save your viewers some time, it is not of God. We have to plan strategically and present our plans before God. We must seek his approval.
@aboveandbeyond9844
@aboveandbeyond9844 Жыл бұрын
Yet scripture tells us it's the other way around... That God has already laid out our plan... And what we need to seek is His way of seeing it... And then walking according to it.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
@@aboveandbeyond9844 You're both right.
@underground50-
@underground50- Жыл бұрын
Yours is a very common mistake.
@aboveandbeyond9844
@aboveandbeyond9844 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthchannel349... No doubt there is a need for a type of practical planning on our part... But this only has value if it is aligned with God's economy. Jonah made a plan to run from God and what He wanted Jonah to do... But we all know how that worked out. The sense I got from Donald's comment is that we need to make plans in ourselves (meaning, apart from God), and then take out self-contrived plans to God for His "...approval..."... Which, if this is what Donald was saying, is just completely contrary to what scripture tells us regarding the matter. Amen.
@aboveandbeyond9844
@aboveandbeyond9844 Жыл бұрын
Almost everything spoken in this video presentation was in and out of their fallen natural man... Sure, it was spoken with good intentions... But good intentions do not guarantee that what is spoken is God. And that's a huge, fundamental problem within the folly that is today's Christianity... The presenting of natural man's take on the things of God, and not God's actual speaking.| And natural man's good will never save us. Near the end of the video, Alisa Childers put forward that she had a crisis of faith that caused her to make a turn toward something new regarding faith... But even after this turn she still struggled in a way. This is completely understandable... As her turn was in and of herself in her natural man... It was just her natural man trying to find yet another way to be good at faith. But the effort of our natural man will always fail... Just as scripture clearly tells us... Because there is NOTHING good in our natural man. So then what? Christ Jesus. The answer to everything is Christ Jesus. Including our faith... Because He is, in our born-again of God person (our new man that we need to "...put on...") our faith. Christ Jesus is the faith by which man can believe...INTO... all that God is, has done, and is doing. And so, Alisa... That's what you need to hear (which I hope you have from me), then see, then enter into as the reality of your being... And then... Live out as your Christian expression, every moment of every day. Christ Jesus, Himself... IS... our faith... When we live Him... We are living by faith... Galatians 2:20... "I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God, who 8eloved me and gave Himself up for me." The apostle Paul stated... "...the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith of the Son of God...". So what is this "...faith of the Son of God..." that the apostle Paul lived "...in the flesh..." in? The answer is found in Paul's switch from using the term "...Christ...", to using the title/term "...Son of God..."... Because, whereas the title/term "...Christ..." denotes His anointing that was for the carrying out of His mission, which is to carry out God's plan and accomplish God's eternal goal... the title/term "...Son of God"... denotes the Person of Christ Jesus, and His Person is for the imparting of God's life into us - "...I am the way, the reality (truth), and the life...". Therefore, the faith in which we, as born-again of God believers, abide in and live out God's life, is of the Son of God, Who is this life within us, and Who imparts this life to us. This is why earlier in the quoted verse we read... "...it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me..."... The apostle Paul was saying that he no longer lived according to the faith of his natural man... But now lived by the faith of the Person of Christ Jesus, Who, Paul being born-again of God, was dwelling one with Paul in His regenerated spirit. Your need, Alisa... Is the same of every born-again of God believer... And that is... To deny ourselves in our trying to be exercised in the faith of our natural man... And allow Christ Jesus to be the reality of our living and being...By Him becoming the faith that we live by. The reality of "..we walk by faith...", is for Christ Jesus Himself to be our walk. And it is only when this becomes our reality - corporately, meaning in more than one believer - that we will have the proper expression of the Lord's one church that He declared that He would build. All of the Jesus People this, and the Baptist that, and the rest of the denominational and non-denominational so-called "...Christian...: efforts... All just folly. This is not to say that God cannot bring good from that which was meant for evil... As He surely can, and has... It's just not the way of God for us in His perfecting of us. His way is for us to be Christ Jesus, expressed in and through one corporate living and being that is the expanded expression of the Father one beloved Son. How do you think the members of His one church become children of God? We become children of God... Because... He whom we have believed INTO... Is the Son of God... And we, therefore, become, even as He is... The many sons of God. Alisa... I truly believe you have a heart for God... But there is no laying hold of the things of God's heart, apart from letting go of the things of our own natural heart... Which is not an easy path to take. The person you were speaking to in your podcast seems to have a lot of knowledge about all sorts of matters... But little to no Christ... Which is not to save that he is not a born-again of God believer... It simply means that he has not gone on further with the Lord into the proper working out of his salvation by denying himself, picking up his cross, and following Him. And I can, before the Lord, say this of most of the claimed "...Christian..." speakers I've heard over the years on KZfaq... Especially the popular speakers. Don't fall into that trap my sister in Christ... Don't think that your KZfaq channel has any value to it, in and of itself. As God rebuked Elijah, saying... 1 Kings 19:18... "Yet I have left Myself seven thousand in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed unto Baal and every mouth that has not kissed him." God can replace every so-called "...Christian..." speaker on KZfaq, with His chosen speakers, in the blink of an eye... And maybe already has. And if this is so... Check your heart... Will you be disappointed, and maybe even offended by the thought of God doing this... Or will your heart say just a simple, "...Amen, Lord... Your will be done..."? Amen.
@sanjeevgig8918
@sanjeevgig8918 Жыл бұрын
Prov. 3 Verses 5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and LEAN NOT UNTO THINE OWN UNDERSTANDING. READ and OBEY the rules till you reach heaven IF you think god does something "wrong" it is YOU are wrong in your understanding. LOL
@sanjeevgig8918
@sanjeevgig8918 Жыл бұрын
Bible: Our god* killed god** for a day and half to save god's* creation from god's* wrath. . LOL
@sanjeevgig8918
@sanjeevgig8918 Жыл бұрын
@@lark8356 SCAMMER ALERT.
@lark8356
@lark8356 Жыл бұрын
@@sanjeevgig8918 Thank you for your response.
@aboveandbeyond9844
@aboveandbeyond9844 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps before speaking in ignorance regarding what biblical scripture says... You could try to learn what it actually says. Amen.
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
"Our god killed godfor a day and half to save god's creation from god's wrath' *When will atheists ever come up with your own material? Copying and Pasting boring 38 year old Richard Dawkins butt nuggets aren't going to cut it anymore.*
@sanjeevgig8918
@sanjeevgig8918 Жыл бұрын
@@thetruthchannel349 SAY the people who keep COPY-PASTING verses from the book to prove the book. HA HA HA HA HA
@areuaware6842
@areuaware6842 Жыл бұрын
Faith is for the inexperienced.
@areuaware6842
@areuaware6842 Жыл бұрын
@@lark8356 , You don't want to talk to me.
@lark8356
@lark8356 Жыл бұрын
@@areuaware6842 I truly would be grateful to converse with you.
@areuaware6842
@areuaware6842 Жыл бұрын
@@lark8356 , Then say what you have to say here.
@lark8356
@lark8356 Жыл бұрын
@@areuaware6842 I prefer to avoid long conversations on KZfaq.
@areuaware6842
@areuaware6842 Жыл бұрын
@@lark8356 , Fair enough.
@nuttysquirrel8816
@nuttysquirrel8816 Жыл бұрын
If rational thinking and logic were one of those old west style Colt 45 revolvers, and you handed that revolver to Christianity, Christianity would fire all six rounds into it’s own foot. 🤣😆
@thetruthchannel349
@thetruthchannel349 Жыл бұрын
*Ya, im sure that FELT clever when you typed it, probably felt a little less clever when you read it back to yourself. Most definitely had lost all of its promise by the time you smashed the blue button - YET you DID it anyway & SHOT yourself in the FACE. The difference here is... You shot yourself with the SAME bullet 3 times consecutively.*
@mithrasrevisited4873
@mithrasrevisited4873 Жыл бұрын
Trying to make fairy stories come true. The bible is a book of fables.
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