This video was an answer to prayer because I have many questions when reading the old testament. Thank you; praise God!

If you think God is less vengeful in the New Testament than the Old Testament, read Revelation . . .

Brilliant! @alisa Childers you're creating quite an excellent video library to tackle difficult subjects here on KZfaq. I've sent many to your Clay Jones video on OT difficult subjects and now I'll send them to listen to Paul Copan as well. Keep up the good work sister.

I thought God was very strict and always angry in the OT. However, when I read the OT as an adult a shift happened. From the VERY beginning God's love and grace shines through. When Adam and Eve sinned, God punished them, but He also made them better clothes. When Israel sinned, God punished them, but also helped them. It's not about God being angry all the time, it's about Israel sinning all the time and God forgiving them over and over and over. I mean Israel had no excuse. They lived under His cloud and fire column and still doubted and sinned. I think it's difficult to read through the whole OT and not see God constantly forgiving. So I assume people who think Him angry etc hasn't actually read the whole OT.

You have some fabulous guests Alisa, so informative. knowledgeable but humble in character just a delight to watch and hear this gentleman.

OT God vs NT God: have you read Revelation? JESUS treads the winepress of God's wrath.

A productive conversation. Thanks. That comment about something being a metaphor doesn't negate it's impact flicked a switch. If i said "it's raining cats and dogs" (a phrase common to the UK, though obviously not literal it still makes it quite clear that it was a heavy downpour. It seems to me those people are choosing to ignore normal grammatical rules whenever they find text that they don't like.

Hey Paul! I live in West Palm Beach and I’m curious of what church you are plugged into? I’m looking for a church that teaches God’s Word. Thanks!

29:42 Pagan Nations' Law Codes 43:04 Elisha's bears

I have had some of these named people as my profs in university. Can confirm that they teach these confusing things to students

I wonder, Alisha, if you can answer or ask one of your interviewees to answer what the difference between a curse and a punishment is. Because he calls the punishments of say Rape or adultery I.e. stoning or death as just threats but not exactly to be carried out and then these curses that God pronounced on Israel for disobedience towards him are not threats, but a foretelling of what actually will happen……?

Thank you, Alisa, this was an excellent topic to explore.

Just finished the book 'Is God a Moral Monster?' after Frank Turek's recommendation. A vital read to refute the subtle false 'progressive' teaching of God of the Old Testament as different to the New Testament. A very helpful biblically focused insight into this topic.

2 Kings 2:23 the only youth group mentioned in the bible

Do any of you ever wonder why God didn't make this stuff more clear to us? There are so many ways that the broader text contradicts itself. It seems God is not clear or He wants to create a tension and force us to figure it out to some degree.

God is full of Mercy and Grace even from the beginning with Adam and Eve, Cain, Noah and family, Abraham, Sarah, Issac, Jacob and sons, Moses, Isreal, Joshua, Jonah, Ninavah, David, etc…, and Jesus doubles down on what is sin when he condemns everyone with the Sermon on the Mount. He says Adultery is not just outward but inward, Murder is not just a physical act but a spiritual one of hatred even as simple as calling someone a fool, and he doesn’t give permission to divorce like Moses did but because of the hardness of our hearts. We are all condemned by his words, as all men are judged guilty of sin and death by Christ Jesus. We can see the Fullness of God, the Fullness of His Spirit on the Cross. We see his wrath, his judgment, his hatred for sin poured out upon Christ. This is a both warning and a call. Those who reject the Goodness of God in Christ who suffered and died for our sin will suffer the wrath of God for eternity. But we also see the Grace, Mercy, Forgiveness, Kindness, Faithfulness and Love of God in Christ’s suffering and death upon the Cross. We see the Fullness of God poured out upon the Cross. Through the Cross we receive the Spirit of God in Full. We see God in Fullness in Christ. We see the Fullness of his Love and Goodness in Christ. If we like the Jews Reject Christ we are rejecting the Goodness of God and will are left with his Wrath.

Puzzling sidenote question: Why doesn't the Holy Spirit say anything? As in: any commandment or direct instruction or admonishment? Has he? Where? What? Jesus said: if you love me, keep my commandments. And didn't God ever speak to Moses? and tell Abraham to go "to a land that I shall show thee". But-- what has the Holy Spirit ever come out and said? Why the silence? Am I mistaken? This is puzzling.

Alisa can you please delete the Indian scammer bots that have top comment on your video?

Gods straight up built different

This is so, so good

Everybody loves Jesus as long as you don't define who He is - Voddie Baucham

God has never ever killed anyone, but thousands of people have killed one another.

Turn over the table again, Jesus.

So loving your enemy is not the same as forgiving them... If they offended you and are not repentant it doesn't mean bearing a grudge against them either, but forgiveness requires repentance. That is the pattern I see in scripture. I am I missing the plot?

I have Paul's book "Is God a Moral Monster?" and I cannot wait to get into it. Unfortunately after sudden illness, followed by a move, and then a miscarriage, I haven't been able to take a moment to read through it. By the grace of God, He's given me a moment's respite from the craziness of the past two years and I'm excited to begin it. Thank you both so much for your ministries in apologetics and your devout desire to endless research and growth in understanding our Lord. Bless you both!

If I'm remembering correctly, Greg Boyd is an open theist.

Law originally is designed for the Judgment of both angels and humans. However since Adam being kicked out of heaven/Eden, humans are no longer living inside God's dwelling realm. Law now is only seen by angels but not demonstratable to humans. OT is for God to demonstrate through Israel how strict God's Law could mean, such that later humans can understand what God's Grace through Jesus Christ could mean. That's why in OT God appears to be harsh to His people Israel. God is harsh such that the incapable humans can bring forward His message of salvation across history by means of Israel's loyalty and dedication.

Could you try to talk about 1 Samuel 15:2? This verse has got me confused, can God kill babies while still being just?

With all due respect to some of the commenters, most of the people that take issue with this are those who have not even read the Bible, had no discipleship and have not gone to any clergy to ask questions, they just pick and choose verses and make asdumptions. I think the hang up here is the tone of each book. For example: OT- Adultery = Laws of Moses says, stone her to death. NT- He who is without sin cast the first stone. Also, the woman at the well. NT- "I do not condemn you". OT- Stone her! OT- Men had several wives, committing adultery, yet a woman did not and was the only one in that covenant (between husband and wife) who had to remain faithful or be stoned to death. NT- Jesus often talked about adultery of both males and females and held men accou table, if the wife remarried or the man she remarries. A little odd still, but at least there was some accountabilty as oppsed to none in the OT. OT- An eye for an eye NT- Turn the other cheek; love your enemies. See what I mean? As for me, I understand the differences and why many laws and commands were made. We have to remember, the Jews were suppose to be different, set a part, God's Chosen people to bring the gospel to the world, and they had direct access to God who is Holy and He walked, protected, and sanctified them, (well He tried), but they were rebellious. In addition, the OT dealt and focused primarily on the Jewish plight; whereas, the NT was the ending of the Jewish plight up to their Messiah, then its opened to all the Gentiles, which did not have the teachings, laws, and traditions of those the Jews had to adhere to. Entire generations were being trained and the Gentiles were closed off from that according to what we know through the OT

Did you really just call rape seduction? Wow.

God is the same always has been. Idk is there a topic about this I thought u guys know it already

The Crucifixion was to show us that sacrifice does not make us realize we are innocent, forgiveness does that. Forgive them for they know not what they do" is the focus, not death, which is impossible for Spirit, which we are. "That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit." " If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent."

Wow!!

More than 42 mocking young men! Can you imagine? It was also a physical threat to him.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is True. The Hebrews wrote in Hebrew, the romans wrote in greek. The so called modern scholars, like to say Mark was written first. Because it is the least flattering. Under this assumption any degraded document would be called first/original. What they don't say is why don't mark mention a resurrection? He didn't believe it? or he didn't think it was important? or was it that it was written by a roman stooge to destroy the message of The Messiah? In Matthew and Luke the genealogies are a contradiction. Matthew said the woman held Him by the feet and worshipped Him. Luke says that Jesus said, don't touch me for I have not ascended to My Father. Spaul contradicts all the other 40 Inspired Books including Matthew. Old Testament so called "contradictions" are few and can be easily explained with proper translation. In the "New Testament", there are many irreconcilable differences. Because only Matthew was originally written in Hebrew. "Matthew" was written anomalously/untitled. It is The Testament of Messiah the last Inspired book. The roman/greek books that fallow are roman lies, propaganda and contradictions. Wake up brothers and sisters, God didn't start speaking greek after they killed His Son. Rome is the beast of Daniel 7 that was given power over the saints for a season. Wake up the Brothers and Sister, He is coming soon.

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God is different for each person who added a new chapter to his biography.

God is a wonderful God, the only God. You must obey His Word to go to Heaven

Father forgive them. The details need to be paid attention to. People who write fraudulent works leave out details. From what I understand detail can help to prove the authenticity of scripture. Jesus cried out loud something while on the cross in Matthew and Mark but in Luke it is Luke.23 [34] Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Acts 7 [51] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. [52] Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: [53] Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. [54] When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. [55] But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, [56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. [57] Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, [58] And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. [59] And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. [60] And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Similar to what Jesus cried from the cross. Forgive them. They did the unforgivable sin, Mk 3:29 1 Tim. 1 [12] And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; [13] Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. Without Luke .23 [34] Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do and Acts 7 [59] And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. [60] And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

No God is not a bully,nor should he taken lightly. The OT has many hidden gems God changed Jacobs name twice from Jacob to Israel. Therefore confirming he is Israel Genesis 32 27/29 27 Then the man asked, “What is your name? Jacob,” he answered. 28 The man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob. You have wrestled with God and with men, and you have won. That’s why your name will be Israel. Now that Jacob had returned from Paddan-aram, God appeared to him again at Bethel. God blessed him, saying, "Your name is Jacob, but you will not be called Jacob any longer. From now on your name will be Israel." So God renamed him Israel. (Genesis 35:9-10, NLT ). Isaiah 44 1 "But now listen, O Jacob, my servant, Israel, whom I have chosen. 2 This is what the LORD says-- he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you: Do not be afraid, O Jacob, my servant, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen. 3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants. 4 They will spring up like grass in a meadow, like poplar trees by flowing streams. 5 One will say, `I belong to the LORD'; another will call himself by the name of Jacob; still another will write on his hand, `The LORD's,' and will take the name Israel. 6 "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. 7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened since I established my ancient people, and what is yet to come-- yes, let him foretell what will come. Psalm 40, love this psalm, so many hidden treasures, like verse7. Psalm 40 For the director of music. Of David. A psalm. 1 I waited patiently for the LORD; he turned to me and heard my cry. 2 He lifted me out of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; he set my feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand. 3 He put a new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put their trust in the LORD. 4 Blessed is the man who makes the LORD his trust, who does not look to the proud, to those who turn aside to false gods. [1] 5 Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders you have done. The things you planned for us no one can recount to you; were I to speak and tell of them, they would be too many to declare. 6 Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but my ears you have pierced [2] [3] ; burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require. 7 Then I said, "Here I am, I have come-- it is written about me in the scroll. [4] 8 I desire to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart." 9 I proclaim righteousness in the great assembly; I do not seal my lips, as you know, O LORD. 10 I do not hide your righteousness in my heart; I speak of your faithfulness and salvation. I do not conceal your love and your truth from the great assembly. 11 Do not withhold your mercy from me, O LORD; may your love and your truth always protect me. 12 For troubles without number surround me; my sins have overtaken me, and I cannot see. They are more than the hairs of my head, and my heart fails within me. 13 Be pleased, O LORD, to save me; O LORD, come quickly to help me. 14 May all who seek to take my life be put to shame and confusion; may all who desire my ruin be turned back in disgrace. 15 May those who say to me, "Aha! Aha!" be appalled at their own shame. 16 But may all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you; may those who love your salvation always say, "The LORD be exalted!" 17 Yet I am poor and needy; may the Lord think of me. You are my help and my deliverer; O my God, do not delay. Psalm 118 v17. I shall not die, but I shall live, and recount the deeds of the LORD. Love this ❤️.

OT = Jewish God. NT = Christian God.

It is not surprising that there are people in their right mind who affirm that the God of the Hebrew Bible and the God of the New Testament are the same being, since their comparison is an exercise in analysis and literary commentary on texts. Nominally, they are the same God: the God of Jewish monotheism. In the Hebrew Bible Yahweh is the main character, the most important character by far from those who appear in the OT; in the NT, the Judeo-Christian God becomes a very secondary, very minor character. He couldn't even be considered a supporting character; he is practically missing from all accounts. On the other hand, in the Hebrew Bible the Son does not exist. Only by forcing certain sayings and events a lot, and with a lot of fantasy and imagination, it is possible to insinuate that there are references--not even implicitly--to the second person of the Trinity, to the Son of Man and Son of God. The NT narrates some of the sayings and facts that are attributed to Jesus, who as a good monotheistic Jew, believed in Yahweh as his God and that of the Jewish people. On the other hand, the hypostatic union in Jesus is hardly hinted at in the NT (especially in the Gospel of John). The ambiguity when scrutinizing the nature (essence) of Jesus and how he could be related to the supposed divine substance is evident and unquestionable. The most logical and rational interpretation of the entities considered and called God, both in the Old Testament and in the New, is that the God of the Hebrew Bible is described in great detail, while in the NT nothing is added about nature (essence). ) of the literary character named Yahweh.

Acts chapter 17 proves that the false god of Abraham is not the father of Jesus, or the God of the New Testament as you say.

Christianity stole Judaism for it's foundation, and then the very first book(Matthew) "replaced" Yahweh for Jesus. "Replaced" being, ideologically and not literally. Hence " “I am the way and the truth and the life. *No* *one* comes to the Father except through me(Jesus)." OT God = I have a select group who are mine and if you go against me you will DIE in this lifetime. NT Jesus = Everyone can be in the ingroup but if you don't believe I will TORTURE you forever in the afterlife. Any PERFECT ETERNAL being, who is without flaws simply by it's very "nature"... and infinite in knowledge, wisdom and POWER, cannot, I repeat cannot, be considered _just_ ... in judging ANY severely less and fallible and finite creatures, especially creatures IT created. WITH full knowledge no less(omniscience).

what is God here? Because God is going to be different for everybody.

The sooner people realize that Moses projected his own anger onto his idea of who God is and what God said, the sooner people will get over their fear of God and through forgiveness, change it to love. God didn't tell Moses He wanted people stoned for adultery or any other error. God is our Teacher as the Holy Spirit, not a punisher. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love." It's not only in the Old Testament, it has also crept into the New Testament and quotes attributed to Jesus. Either love is patient and God is love or love hasn't patience and includes hell and punishment. “Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

To support what Alisha said about the tone of the OT in terms of the warrior era and the writers of the OT, can also be seen in Paul's books. When he was in prison, his tone was very sad. As a survivor, I disagree 100% with you when it comes to the treatment of women. They were property and a commodity for fathers in the OT. The story of DINAH is a big example of rape and Jacob wanting her to marry him so he would gain wealth. Men's approach to this, like your guest, is just ridiculous and he is devaluing the plight of women in OT times. You always have inaccurate excuses like Jacob, David and the Levite if the unknown woman, you try and sweep it under the rug or minimize it. The only thing you gain by that is turning victims away from God, revictimizing women, and devaluing them like their own fathers did in the OT. As a result in the OT, people died, women were treated harsher, the victim was devalued futher by their fathers. The ones who did care were either killed or cursed i.e., Absolom and Jacobs sons. Instead, you need to point out what God did do as a result of these men's actions or inaction, along with the customs of women having no right to inheritance, societal values, and less monitary value, etc. MEN WERE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN THE OT. ONLY MONITARILY RECOMPENSE TO THE FATHER, NOT THE VICTIM LIKE YOU WOULD FOR PROPERTY! When are you men going to acknowledge the treatment of women? Then you get upset over the femnazi movement, yet its because of people like you Paul who try and minimize it all and those who cannot recognize women's sufferage in the OT. Yes, I am leaving angry!

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This man is preaching a divided Kingdom, a double minded God... instead of RIGHTLY dividing the Word and dividing our Father (who IS LIGHT), with the god of this world (Satan).. Christ is the absolute revelation of God, and the image of God, because NO ONE had the TRUE image of Him. "ALL that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them." If you do not use HIM as your veil through the OT you will be LOST in an unfamiliar, dark spirit. Do not let pastors deceive you into believing in a wrathful, DARK spirit of God - for GOD is light, and in HIM there is no darkness at all. WITHOUT Him is darkness, therefore the DARKNESS does NOT come FROM HIM, it comes from being separated from Him. These people are perverting the Image of God and creating a spirit of wrath and fear for you to cling to. They blasphemy God by confusing Him with the god of this world (satan, the prince of this world, the prince of darkness and wrath).