Ah, all old kgb pensioners like putin himself wouldn't even dare to imagine all high levels espionage they did in good old days replaced and rendered obsolete by bunch of nerds with classified documents to win arguments against another nerds.

LMAO, don't dare them, someone might actually do it.

Nice try, FSB

@@genosse_ryoka Fsb are equivalent of FBI but for external job is SVR department

As a reminder: Leaking classified documents is *_T U R B O I L L E G A L_*

Yes we are

this whole thing is actually an fsb operation to get said tanker to do said thing

a certified warthunder moment lmao

Like dude the abrams true armor is probably light years ahead of what gaijin has

As a 19k watching people bitch about shit the Abrams is is amusing, most of us that know ab this just laugh honestly

Its Top Tier. Everything is a plastic water bottle. The Japanese and Italians are literally wet paper that can shoot 3 times faster than you.

it's a very heavy metal bottle

I just want a spall liner for the tanks

why do you want a spall liner for it if it just doesn't have one though.@@powerfulbeing4634

How do you know it? Was it ever shot by more or less relevant APFSDS?

adapt and overcome instead of cry and complain. It sucks but we do it

"No armor is best armor!" - motto of every Japanese player

Тhe Type 10 is kinda op with its reload though and relying on armor in this buggy game is a bad idea anyway.

@@quan-uo5ws As long as it stops most autocannon fire, it's good enough. ;)

@@Slavic_Goblin I mean, it doesn't. All autocannon APFSDS can frontally pen Type 10 in game.

Abrams tankers might not know anything about their tanks. But every person with an opinion on the matter knows ten Abrams tankers who know everything about the Abrams.

not like we have 20 years of first hand accounts in combat with the tank. sure bubba its all just, made up yuri@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

You "Hope" that it can stop a round or ATGM if it hits from the front. Because if it hopped to hit from any side + back it's gg

if you were in desert storm and were hit by the dollar store T72 APFSDS than yeah. but i would be surprised if it could stop more modern shells as consistently. But then again its not like anyone knows how good the armor is

⁠@@Zilliguythe dollar store apfsds is crazy lmao

My favorite is the fact that DU doesn't do according the the Russians or Gaijin. Because the US just uses a more expensive material to get no benefit. Just like they cherry pick anything and everything they want to nerf something with the US star on it into rubbish. Looking at you M18.

Becuz abama was shaking random sessions some time back. Now sides turned

​@@WandererJester yeah, US likes expensive toys, like someone didn't know

@@WandererJester I think they choose DU since it have very high density similar to tungsten yet at the lower price than Tungsten used in other MBT

@@Rururudenko DU is preferred to other metals, because of its high density, its pyrophoric nature (DU self-ignites when exposed to temperatures of 600° to 700° and high pressures), and its property of becoming sharper, through adiabatic shearing, as it penetrates armour plating.

McD Upgrade pack.

Issue with adding all these modern tanks is that the armor for the most part is classified. Gaijin in turn has to "estimate" the armor values and in turn either overpowers a tank based on "paper numbers" (Russian tanks in general) or underpowers it (M1).

@@danh1060that’s what they did for the M1A2 and M1A1HC. They just increased armor by %50.

@@danh1060 The paper numbers thing is a really huge issue, you will notice whenever you look up US equipment still in use there is a (Unclassified) tag next to whatever specs are provided. for example a lot of missiles that are used on our modern jets have a flat and somewhat short range number provided like 100Km (Unclassified) with circumstantial evidence showing that it may exceed the provided stats by about 50%. meanwhile Russia will do things like state the maximum possible under perfect conditions and state that as the factory specifications for things. their Khinzal missile for example with a speed of Mach 10 which is only achieved during a portion of its flight before the missile slows down significantly during the last 25% or so of its trip to the target. if it maintained Mach 10 all the way to target patriot missile systems could almost never intercept it successfully. China is even more difficult to pin down and harder to trust because nobody has ever gotten to take a look at the guts of Chinese equipment that wasn't a close Ally to China.

Make sense since the crew weight is around 5 Tons each

But do you have access to sekrit dokuments that prove it? You know what to do.

It's classified they are going to just put that info in a manual. Just serving myself if I need to k ow then that information will readily available if they deem individuals don't need to know then it won't be put out where anyone can read it. It will be put out that something is being used or not but if it's a secret that they want to keep close, then only those that need to know will know the specifics of said information. So second and 3rd hand sources ar going to be the best you'll get on such a topic.

@@furious_wrath7079 classified lol. All sorts of things in the US are classified, even false and untrue info.

@@cdgncgn I'll give you a big ole surprise there are certain people that are considered classified in different countries revealing their names can be a big ole jail sentence.

@@JAnx01 Technically, the US Government and Military isn't allowed to lie to a US Citizen. If someone applied for a freedom of information act pull on the armor composition of the M1A2 in reference to Depleated Uranium armor, the Government would have to provide the documents, now its no guarantee how much would be censored out, but it could prove that the abrams does have depleated uranium in the hull.

It is absurd to think the US hasn't improved the hull protection of the Abrams since the 70s when it was first produced.....with how much the weight has increased there has to be more armor.

@@legogenius1667 Its frankly just Gaijin trying to pretend they care about realism when the answer is their own skewed sense of balancing the game. The real issue is the lack of spall liners, honestly. im fine with hull weak spots, although the UFP really should be harder to pen.

@@M3RUL3Z Well if so they're doing a terrible job at it. The Abrams has one of the lowest winrates of any of the top tier MBTs.

@@legogenius1667 gaijin has done a terrible job with ground batttles for the better part of a decade now. Its oppressively unfun

@@M3RUL3Z I'll second that. I really wish there was a true competitor game in the same niche as War Thunder which would force Gaijin to be less greedy and incompetent, and offer a less aggressively monetized option.

Was going to post the same 8 years as a 19k. Good luck. See you in Fiddler's Green.

T-90M is V3 worst nightmare 😂

​@@RMD9455 T-90M lost in Ukraine and they haven't even used the Abrams yet

@@RMD94 No. Just like any other tanks, its biggest nightmare is an artillery barrage. T-90M does NOT go tank hunting. It's a mobile protected direct-fire artillery piece, and is used as such: destruction of enemy fortifications. That's why it's loaded with primarily HE-FRAG ammo. That ammo is the reason for the infamous turret pop. NATO tanks don't carry that kind of ammo, though if they did, they'd pop just the same.

@@wantedpumpkin1446 Yes, in vast majority of cases to artillery barrage. Abrams would be stopped by arty and then penned by drones and killed. No need to send a T-90M against it when a Krasnopol and Kornet-M are plentifully available.

Yes, and those are individual vehicles, which i support for other tt's as well. so, if there is avariant of the abrams with du in the hull - add it. but that doesn't mean all other abrams variants have du in the hull.

Still they not necessarily give them declared characteristics.

T-80U with thermal imagery : One prototype built but Gaijin implements it Abrams with 5 confirmed units with DU hull armor : Only 5 Abrams had it sorry we won't correct it

What vehicles would those be? I can only think of the early APS (which were in actual use) they have, with the one off prototypes generally as special event or premium vehicles

@@Svannuta T-80U with thermal one prototype ? may I ask for a source, even though, the thermal upgrade could be easily named T-80UE-1 if that was true, as T-80UE-1 is just T-80U with better FCS and optics

It’s been more than 5, of I had a nickel for every time a document has been released I would have almost a dollar

@@apersondoingthings5689 It's 14 leaks at the moment.

@@burningphoneixmost of the 'leaks' have just been export restricted documents that were already available online behind a paywall

@@burningphoneix still close enough to a dollar

Canada doesn't use the M1 Abrams. It is equiped with Leopard 2A6M and Leopard 2A4 of various configurations.

IDK. In the 90s they talked about selling the Abrams to Canada. @@philipped.r.6385

"cast iron hull" Lmao, yeah right.

bro, cast iron armour is not a thing.

Were those t72s soviet frontline variants?

вы ошибаетесь , у 2а6 броня в корпусе 450 мм у 2а7 650мм . там же видно дополнительные модули брони !

If it is, how come my Svinets doesn't pen it frontally? Not even the driver port is a killshot now as the sights just eats my 3BM60 or it slides into the turret cheeks.

@@pilotmanpaul лоб корпуса леопарда 2а7 теперь 650мм а был 450

@@pilotmanpaul that’s the add on armor, the hull composite itself should be better than the hull composite found on the 2a6

​@@pilotmanpaul Gaijin did indeed give it an additional armor wedge in the front, but in reality the whole internal frontal hull composite block should have been upgraded.

Why not? Doctrine presumes that Abrams will use hull down position and turret was upgraded many times.

@@Pechenegus Yes but all available data + logic shows that you still need to keep hull armor up to date. Modern APFSDS rounds can pass through several meters of dirt with little energy loss. So if you're hull down, a round could be shot low, go through the hill you're hiding behind, and penetrate your hull if it is not sufficiently armored. While the hull does not need to be as armored as the turret, saying its armor doesn't matter at all is crazy talk, and would never be accepted by any engineer or protection analyst, of which the US has many. There is zero chance, and I mean zero, that the SEP V2 still has the same armor package on the hull as the original M1A1 Abrams. Even without DU, it's been improved. New thermals don't weigh 10 tons.

No new tank hulls have been made in the US since the 1970s

@@davidrobertson5700 That's just blatantly untrue. Even the M1A1 was produced in the 80's.

@@NatoStorm not , go check then I shall accept your apology. Thanks

Radiation might be a valid concern on armor breach because fine uranium dust from fragmented and powdered armor plates will fill the interior of the vehicle and the crew if alive will breathe it in, if the crew have gas masks with particle filters they might be okay, but if not that's guaranteed lung cancer.

@@resonance314 "your lung cancer was determined to be non service related"

@@resonance314 that is a good point, I assumed that there's a risk of DU shrapnel, but DU dust would be far more concerning since shrap can be surgically removed. Something else I was told is that apparently Gaijin had somewhat poor justification by stating that the Abrams chassis could not mount DU due to it's weight, but to be frank that hadn't stopped any tanks in WW2 and there's still the fact that the weight is what it is. I still think it's bizzare that all this controversy is over a game that very loosely simulates realism.

Uranium dust is a serious heavy metal poisoning and incendiary hazard, in addition to the (somewhat limited) radiation hazard. If it's compromised internally, bailing is a good idea in general. Saying "Radiation!" just gets the troops to move fast and not ask questions.

​@@resonance314DU (as in, DU thats been shot at) is toxic only if you ingest it,its not radioactive,its similar to lead,it wont kill you just because you touched it, but if you dare eat acidic food on lead plates you're gonna suffer.

Abrizzler

Also add that the 2a5 and a6 don’t have hull spall liners while the 122s do

The 2A7V is currently the strongest tank in the game. Isn't that enough? Do German mains need an additional crutch again? 🤣

Look at the TT win rates for Germany compared to America most american a2 sepv2 players have 20-30% win rates whilst 2a7 players have 50-70% win rates (it also doesnt help gaijin keeps throwing premium abrams like the kvt or click bait into top tier america) the 2a7 already has the best armor in the game and has the controversial spall liner that stops most spall. I dont think the 2a7 needs the armor upgrade that the swedish got

oh boy how much of a crutch do you german mains need? Lepoard 2a7 is already the best tank in the game armor wise stops just about everything from the front

They're the greatest example of *the boy who cried wolf* whenever they reverse obviously acoustic nerfs people have complained about for years 😂 Hence why people are complaining and how they have the momentum to shoot down dev claims *(excuses)* for shit like clay pigeons ❤

also dont forget how they nerfed the xm-1 unhistorically based on a document distorted by an angry russian main

Yall keep yapping my leclerc got no armor and decent reload i dont even vompqain about it i manage to kill 3 to 5 enemy regularly

@@arilavanderboom4990 oof

@@arilavanderboom4990 This is true, us French mains have penetration, reload, speed, acceleration, turret traverse, armor, and stabilizers nerfed

The challenger 2 TES had that as well

​@williewilson2250 Yeah but they screwed up the ERA/NERA blocks on it (Proctected against 30mm apds vs 30mm kinetic protection)

Exactly, it's especially true when every day Abram's are going through upgrades to better versions of hard/ soft ware or getting different packages installed

While you are correct about most of those letters, there's some confusion here as A, B and U are not related to 'modification' but rather which factory model it is, so if you look at the T-80 as an example, the base model is the T-80, however it was later upgraded with the B model, then later with the A model then lastly the U model, each one from a different factory, while the T-72 was first upgraded with the A, then later the B, but was never designed in the factory designated U. Also M means modernized in most times, but it can also mean export if it's an older vehicle such as the T-72M

@@vonvonvonvonvonvonvonvonvo7009 U means improvement. And it was only used only for the T-80 line. It's still technically a modification or an improvement because of the turret being completely redesigned and B is usually used to indicate a modification upon a the tank. The T-80B and T-72B both are up gunned and up armored versions of there base counterpart and A is typically used to designate the first change or an alternation between models (however whatever the fuck the ussr did in the 1970s with the T-80 made it confusing considering it goes T-80, T-80B, T-80A T-80AV (BV) and then U, where the fuck did U come from?? Like i understand The A was essentially the U but why?). Still don't know what E means though Essentially A,B,U are improvements upon early models to then be used as the basis for later modifications A usually is the earliest version, B is usually the next modification and U is innate to the T-80 for some reason

​​@@leschroder7773 there's also a T-72BU program, but later series production model renamed it to T-90

T-72S and T-72M1 are different; T-72S uses the same armor as the T-72B and the T-72M1 as the T-72A

There were way more changes than that, the SEP V2s weight is calculated with the TUSK addon package

@@domaxltv and it is still not enough

105 to 120 is a HUGE change. And DU is super heavy. 10 tons from them is very realistic.

@@olisk-jy9rzThe era is 1814kg alone, Plus there like protection, Better systems, Era plating and in SEPV1 mine upgrades etc, it only increased 7 tons from the original, 2 of which is from era, Plus APS, Plus crows, Plus IED systems, PLUS digital map interfaces, PLUS a better engine which is heavier, FLIR, tank-infantry phone, FBCB2 and blue force tracking, crew compartment cooling and more, You say DU ARMOUR DU ARMOUR, U have to be a moron to believe they would put DU armour in a tank so when u get hit u breathe in all those radiation particles and get lung cancer.

And also forgot to add the rheinmetal gun is way heavier by some tons

While yes i do agree with you on that part the Abram in game "can't" play hull down as the turret ring is a huge weakspot along with the gun manlet

You know when you unlock thermal in T-80U it becomes T-80UM. Just like T-64B when you unlock ERA it becomes T-64BV or BMP-1 become BMP-1P

The thermals on T-80U were implemente in limited numbers, and as far as I know, its literally directly swappable between the nonthermal and thermals night vision sights

The T-80U when you get the thermals in-game becomes the T-80UM. Not only one T-80UM was made, as it was a mid-90s upgrade. Stop spouting nonsense.

The T80s that have thermals are the T80UM, T80UK and T80BVM All of these are actually modern versions so they do get the thermals. Also, the T80U becomes a t80UM when you get thermals. And the thermals on the t80uk are only first gen so who cares...

@@domaxltv Then gaijin said that only 5 abrams with the DU armor exists so they cannot give it ingame. Double fing standards.

If the source is classified, it would be illegal for them to possess the information. If they actually accept and use such data, then governments will go after them. You really don't want to make the US government your enemy, these aren't good understanding people who will calmly explain to you why you shouldn't use and republish their classified data in a video game. I don't get this criticism.

​@@tiikerihaiit's showing that no matter how credible a source is, they won't take it

⁠@@tiikerihai they quite literally ask for classified sources and get mad when people send them

@@tiikerihai That's because their goal isn't to collect classified materials to implement in game. They're collecting it and forwarding it to the Kremlin and then deleting it off their local servers when done. Gaijin is and has always been a Russian company through and through with Russian executives. They only moved their offices to Hungary to get around Western sanctions and licensing restrictions. This whole Abrams debacle screams classified documents fishing on the highest order.

prove me wrong but i remember they add classified APDSFS shell for some chineese top tier tank after leak with photo and documents but actually it's very risky for them

dont care

Cope, what the hell are you even complaining about, now RedEffect is right about people doing what they do.. and complain lmao

According to all of the images of the Abrams on Wikipedia - it does have an extended turret neck ring.

You don't seem to be aware you don't need an exposed turret ring to have it damaged. Try playing german panzers, they all have nonexistent turret ring neck and even an additional deflector around the turrett, yet any round that pens in that zone will insta lock the turret turning the turret ring black. Classic example of low skilled or clueless players complaining about things they don't even understand.

Googled M1A2 SEP and the ring is indeed exposed just as is in the game. Same tiny area too but doesn't really matter when your Dart slides right up to it.

Does it mean that the M242 is a bad gun? M791 is a bad shell? You can’t take it on board from 20-30 meters with two barrels, after flying over the FPV tank, the repelled anti-tank gun and the tank were stopped only by the reverse gear and a tree? Yes, even a tree had a better chance of stopping a T-90M than a Bushmaster =) Better look at how a 2A4 is stopped from a kilometer away by a 2A42 cannon, that’s where the power is 💪 And most importantly, all the operators were in place and didn’t run anywhere =) But you know What didn’t the Russians see on the battlefield? M1A1, as it were, has already captured 120,000 in 4 months of the offensive of the Russian Federation and repulsed 8,000 in 15 months of the counter-offensive of Ukraine. And the reason? Russia doesn’t know how to fight, we watch the video, and there they kill Russians, they can’t do anything against the West, intelligence is free 24/7, radio intelligence, there are no factories, and they just supply weapons, I can’t understand anything, how the Russians manage to always receive from everyone, never be able to do anything, everything is worse for them, and they come to Berlin, and they seize 120,000 kilometers of Ukraine or 20% of the territory. Can you imagine if you give them brains and good weapons?

@@SuperTpyc I just want to see the funni man:(

according to....?

@@jameshodgson3656 According to deity in my dream

Bs lmao

According to his anus

600mm according to the D.O.D@@jameshodgson3656

devoid of normal armor? What do you expect, the Russian doctrine is to R&D world leading ERA applique to the tank, and gaijin chose to ignore the M829A3, made to defeat modern russian ERA. Also for speed, really? Gaijin doesn't model road surfaces properly. Neither the M1 or T90 are pushing past 50km/h offroad. Secondly, any tank's top speed on road is achieved slow enough to the point that most warthunder maps have 1/2 roads that would accomodate those top speeds. Lastly, any tank with a spall liner> any tank without in WT, despite the abrams possessing Spall liners in the armor plate IRL.

@@M3RUL3Z M829A3 was made to defeat kontakt-5 ERA not modern Relikt

But blows up the same as red effect shows us 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@haythemsandel8303 "and any future ERA". While you could still assume through classified info that Relikt can defeat A3, it'd be even harder to justify if defeating M829A4. Im fine with keeping Russian protection levels for balance sake. But with how unbalanced top tier is, Gaijin's game is currently both unrealistic and unbalanced. There's a reason it's considered a worthless cesspool filled only by morons and meta slaves.

LOL

while i love shitting on russia, they did disable the optics and the crew rammed a tree and bailed. so..yes...it was out of combat, but it didn't get penetrated or destroyed

indeed but how did the turret spin out of control?@@thecursed01

Feels the same when i play war thunder and they bully mbts hahahaha

@@thecursed01 Where I come from that is called a mission kill. Tank was also later destroyed. So that means that Chadleys destroyed a T-90M. I never said that they penetrated them, and I think a lot of the comments similar to mine are saying the same thing… but salty Russians are just assuming that means they Bradley’s penetrated the tank. Trying to make a formula for “Bradley’s did this, crew did this, tank did this and drone destroyed tank” is just a long winded way of saying “Chadley’s schwacked a T-90M”

Exactly. RedEffect is ultimately a Vatnik and has always had a huge raging hardon for Soviet/Russian equipment. The original NRC document was edited for publishing and only allowed to admit the known trainer models that were already commonly known to be out in the wild. At 2006, all of the tanks in production would already have been in active service and were standard, modern equipment at the time so the world of the day becomes disinformation. Meanwhile, when someone writes something in Russian on a napkin, Gaijin puts it in game and RedEffect is simping and championing it.

​@@Talishar the truth. I'm unsubbing and getting this guy's shit post out of my feed

@@Talishar"vatnik" The guy literally live in a NATO country...

@@TalisharRacist much?

@@karakarakiri9568 And? There are a ton of Russian lovers in the US. Where you live means nothing. The guy's video history overwhelmingly fluffs Russian hardware to a disgusting degree.

You don’t know that tho, that’s just reddit cope, if gaijin war Russian propaganda why does Russia have the 3rd worst win rate

@@byzantinehoney3384 For ages Russian MBTs straight up did not model spall. It was an on or off value that Gaijin literally had turned off for Russian tanks. This isn't reddit cope, these are verifiable facts.

@@byzantinehoney3384 Russia has, historical, a higher WR than any other nation. Period. Its only recently that Russia's WR has not been #1.

@@byzantinehoney3384 After the new patch, before russia 11.7 was topnotch with 73% winrate. Even youtubers admitted it.

lol, it’s hilarious someone is trying to dispute the OBVIOUS Russian bias in this game and the OBVIOUS cutting the nato (US in particular) short. It’s legit not even possible to debate this, it’s a fact that everyone with a brain knows.

The crew: 💀

More reliable source than anything Gaijin and their biased developers use.

nah you're thinking about the wrong thing ,think about the guys repairing it and having no shielding against the radiation ​@@Fred_the_1996

And the loader is a superhero capable of loading the cannon in 0.5 seconds. Using a third hand, of course

My cat also told me this it must be true

Gaijin seems to have no trouble assuming other top tier tanks have upgraded their armor over the years.

are there french document available on it? and do you happen to have a friend that knows both french and russian? force them to translate it.

Well, the UFP is not really protected by much composites, according to the armour viewer, so it kinda makes sense that just about anything penetrates it, just like the Abrams front plate... I mean, if you have reliable documents about the protection then you can send it to Gaijin, most of them should have around the same protection because, well, they weigh around the same

as a fellow french main we get screwed so hard, where are our LTs with stabs!!!

Don't gaijin hate france

It's even worse. France (just like the US with the Abrams) kept their armor classified for the swedish trial. So, the swedish use the Leopard 2 armor scheme to extrapolate both US and french armor. Which of course was wrong, because both US and France used more modern and compact armor scheme.

damn! wasnt expecting ConeOfArc himself when i hit the "newest comments" button. xD

Woooo, go ConeOfArc lmfao

Still somehow the weight of the Abram tank still increase but no armor its crazy that gaijin think that Abram is a paper weight.

@@billlhooo6485 this is the main reason I don't like gaijins response. The tank has gained weight between the variants so clearly something is causing that increase. Some of it can be explained by add-ons externally and upgrade packages but several tons is not an insignificant amount of weight.

The NRC document is also an incomplete souce, as it was amended a few months later to change the 5 hulls to as needed.

Relikt was also a response to the darts made to defeat K5

They mean, that skill of US team is so low, that nothing will help them, abrams is beautiful in WT

Even if it made no difference, it should be added.

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755I agree. It should be added for the SEP V2 at the least. It’ll make it easier to kill the Kontakt-5 Tanks.

@@good_praxice1588I totally agree. They play as though they’re Rank 4 Germany, believe they’re invulnerable with tiny weak spots. The Abrams was designed to be used in hull down positions because the hull armor being its weakness. Hence, due to the weight budget/restrictions, DU was applied only to the cheeks.

rpg29 can pierce the turret cheeks. seen it in iraq

⁠@@mach533xwhat variant of an Abrams, was it a regular M1A1 because if so than yeah, if it was a M1A2 or a HA than probably not, I also think that the account hit the side or rear

@@mach533x their are only 2 reported incidents of that getting used to successfully damage an Abrams and the only one that hit the turret hit the side of the turret and not the cheeks. the other shot hit the lower rear hull of a different tank.

I tried to visit there earlier this year but ran out of time. Just to see the M1-A1 on display. Its very close to the one I served on in 1991. And yes still VERY classified, the armor alone is a nightmare if lost or cracked open. The closest clue i can share with you about Du and its usages, is the high rate of cancers in Abrams crewmen.

@@mach533x You are probably referring to an abrams that got immobilized by an SPG-9 recoilless rifle, and incapacitated by firing M830A1s on the side of the turret, and a hellfire on its turret cheeks during Thunder Run circa 2003.

if so they might add the Abrams with the DU on the LFP as a expeirement vehicle not the standard to all Abrams.

Yeah Russians making Russian weapons appear superior is nothing new lol.

Every nation is warthunder have prototypes

Crew survived, tank can probably be taken back to the rear and repaired once the town is captured

​@@speen9430😂😂😂😂 cope more

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​@@rogeriofukuma4077indeed that is a taken out t 90 Thanks for proving my point

new video of lancet destroying leopards

@@J2L12L not much of a feat tbh

thanks gaijin for adding another premium abrams...

then why does no other nation have such bad wr despite also having top tier premiums, sometimes multiple

@@meezo9980 well, the abrams premium is new, so people flocked to it, when the premium leo or t72 were added things were similar in germany and russia to what usa is seeing now

@meezo9980 Also, the US is the most famous of them all

Exactly this. So many people in AIMs and Clickbaits that leave after 1 death. Meanwhile when I explode in my T-90M or Leopard after 2 mins, I switch to another tank and go on my merry way.

Isn't the FOI only available after 50 or 60 years? Thought it wasn't tested until like the late 80s/early 90s

@@williewilson2250 honestly I have no idea if I recall correctly you can place the request no matter how old something is, I think that the 50/60 year thing is when the files become declassified on their own but I could 100% be wrong even then I think you'd have a better chance getting the US army to declassify info related to the thumper project then the current M1 models

they are looking at 130 mm now that things are getting hotter

The NERA and composite values are the overall thickness of the materials combined. Really, only the RHA and like 50% of the NERA is useful as kinetic protection (300mm flat, 400mm at 45°) Material matters more than thickness, which is why the ceramics are better at chemical protection and only decent with kinetic rounds

Have fun swallowing sabot through the angled side

@@Goddamndan200It won’t happen if a building is blocking my side armor. You don’t know what side scrapping, or front scrapping is. So don’t speak on topics you have no knowledge of which I speak of. Furthermore interesting language, maybe it’s your activity schwallow rods on a Saturday. Don’t project that on me good fellah. If you’re the gumbo to try to shoot through a building that can’t be shot through to hit side armor, then when that guy peaks the corner to blast you. Don’t complain. You were the goof ball who thought that was a bright idea.

Source?

​@@IzakSemrdoiiSource: I made it the fuck up

List your source instead of making up shit

@@IzakSemrdoii If you dig far enough through government budget reports you can find that they have been consistently ordering DU for both the turret and hull. Also new thermals are not 10 tons.

@@NatoStorm source?

There are still a lot of vehicles from early cold war and WW2 that still haven't found their way into the game yet they could add but Gaijin want's to add flashy things that make click bait titles and headlines. Pretty sure the F-16 was added so quickly to the game because its all over the news due to a certain conflict in eastern Europe at the moment.

Only time it really gets annoying is when armchair tankers online start arguing that x tank is actually better than y tank because these War Thunder stats say so

They could easily add tanks like the XM800, XM723, tow/dragon variants of m113, stryker tow variants, m249 vigilante (might have this wrong), the Knight Systems armored gun vehicles, the CATTB, thumper, Sheridan up armored version used in desert storm... and probably a few I am forgetting. Just for the US alone. There's a ton for Britain and France. A few more for Russia. US and Russia both had crewless turret prototypes that were cool. Tons of stuff left to do.

Problem is though, no matter how they implement these vehicles, the community will inevitably be outraged.

@@dominuslogik484 they have to add top tier stuff, lots of the original players (me included) have already researched pretty much everything in game, they could add 50 ww2 vehicles and I'd have the researched in a month.

Chadley*

1 damaged T90 and you blow your load. You recovered from Bradley square this quickly?

@@pacus123 disabled T-90*, damaged can mean anything like some scratches on the paint

@@pacus123 russia lost over 450 vechiles since the start of Avdiivka offensive, lost it's landing ship, first nation to lose awacs a50 plane. But Ziger copes about 9 damaged bradleys which were recovered for the repairs later. It really sounds you have none good news, do you?)

​​@@tetispinkman9135russia fights a modern army at least not goat breeders with ak47s

It has money standards not double standards

Yea there is a group trying to get gajin under federal investigation! Finally!!!

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you clearly didnt watch the video

agreed Gaijin is a russian company so there for: russia BEZT in DA WOrLd Armor iz made out of Stalins Mustache Putins Soul and the Sweat of Socialist hard Working comrades.

@@gavinj243 you would be the dense genius to tell me I didn't do something when I did. My point is still valid genius. How about you read what I said again and come at it with a better perspective.

Nobody takes you seriously because you are a tech tree nationalist

They hand hold USSR so much the Leopard 2A7V and STRV 122B+ PLSS dominates Top Tier with ease. Meanwhile France Top Tier has better W/D than US Top Tier.

Based on the Bradley Act, it is not destroyed individually, but in packs of 5-10 vehicles at once, then we can conclude that it is outdated 🤣 .

bruh getting hit from a iraqi t72 isnt surprising or crazy. if the abrams were t72bs it would have been the same result. the iraqi t72s couldnt even pen their own downgraded export armour array.

Buddy 🤦‍♂️ even in the Iraqi’s case, they didn’t have the rounds to back up the tanks. They only had 3BM3 and 3BM4 APFSDS rounds, which were outdated for the time. Russia doesn’t export their top end APFSDS rounds

@@thisismyshitpostingaccount5991 How the fuck did they stick 115mm apfsds into 125mm guns? they had 3BM9, 3BM15, and 3BM17 in their stockpiles (all of which were training rounds in the USSR)

@@magnum6763 My bad, I meant 3VBM3 and 3VBM4, which are the penetrators. They're used in the 3BM9/10 and 3BM11 projectiles, respectively. But you're right, they did have up to 3BM17 books.google.ca/books?id=yFu1CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=soviet+apfsds+ammunition+iraq&source=bl&ots=TX8jYUmdDc&sig=lNPsVKmFOIf0H2kYW8bc4-2PbFA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=soviet%20apfsds%20ammunition%20iraq&f=false

Iirc there was an upgrade that streamlined wiring not too long ago saving tons of weight so gaijin is wrong.

The additional weight is due to the widespread access to McDonalds for the tankers

Did you see the video at all? He showed how that claim comes from a public source where there is no mention of improved hull armore.

@@sauce1542 yes, a single source in which they cherry picked sentences out of. That’s ONE source from 2006 when the subject wasn’t yet declassified. What about all the other sources he didn’t cover that prove there is in fact increased hull armor in the SEP and SEPv2 that people have brought up?

​@@bobh9492thats because they pulled out ALL the wiring and updated it. If you add literal tons of wires to an already existing vehicle without changing it, yeah that doesn't seem right

Ngl, the only difference i would see as acceptable is that it would be needed to make a different penetration algorythim for them since they react differently from normal apfsds, but outside of that its full on lazyness

The current calculation is very basic, yup. It cannot account for advanced features like break away tips which would significantly improve the performance of a shell like M829A3 against ERA. they could make a whole new system for this or just add a blanket modifier to certain shell types vs ERA protection, same way ERA has differing values for KE and Chemical munitions in game. Saying "it has no difference" is just them saying "we won't change how the game works right now, stop asking". I figure it's the same with the M1 series armor. The community over the years has provided plenty of evidence that the hull should have appx 500 to 650mm RHA protection vs KE threats. Gaijin doesn't see it as a needed change for the current state of the game. It's just a shame they hide that fact behind denying perfectly credible documents.

i would prefer the shells be added just to have some diversity. and it's not like 1 more shell would tax the game's systems too much

Gajiggles doesn't like the home team being fodder for enemy guns. Simple as.

These rounds would absolutely shit on Russian tanks, that’s exactly why they’re not being adding gaijin loves their commies

So they were wrong about Gaijin only adding spall liners to the T-90M, they were wrong about the Abrams having spall liners, and then they were wrong about DU armour just being commonly accepted knowledge as if the sky were blue. What will they complain about next?

Fetal alchohol syndrome is very common for you people 😂

​@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755some things with ATGM or missile and probably F-15 missile

@@larryfoulke1596 Germans got spall liners. Undeniable proof of Russian bias. I wish I was joking.

​@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 why would people be wrong for pointing out the t90m shouldn't be the only tank to get spall liners? Its a terrible balance decision

source?

Give soruces or stfu

​@@jonyvoleMoscow, is that you? 🤓

@@mamarussellthepie3995 no? Im just asking what sources he has, cos like, saying someone ks wrong and then not telling them why is... yea

@@jonyvole As far as I can tell, There is few types in spall liner world and one of them is integrated hard type spall liners.

www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1619/ML16190A098.pdf They amended the form and did not list a LIMITED amount of hulls or turrets

most likely future models will have them, but as states in the video even the sepv2 dont have du hull yet

@@altacc0604 No, what the video said is we don't have a specific source indicating that sepv2 definitely had DU hulls. So the author of the video doesn't believe any exist. His arguments against the first source is decent. The other source indicated there were 5 tanks that had it, at a training ground (read: testing facility for implementation). His retort was that he didn't believe it was wide spread because unnamed sources who have been in the tanks didn't believe it to be true. Anyone in a tank isn't going to know the exact composition of materials that make up composite armor. Just because a tank commander says it does or doesn't have it means not a whole lot. Composite armor is still very much a classified thing. We do know, per the video, that there definitely was five tanks at one point in time that had DU hulls. The tank crews would be told that they have a composite armor with steel, ceramic and a sandwich of materials that make up the armor. Because it's one thing to give a tanker a chunk of money to get info from them. It's another thing entirely to give an engineer enough money to get info from them. Not that it doesn't happen. But there's a lot more tankers floating around than there are engineers who work on the armor comp.

@@SlavicCelery you does make sense. tank armour is generally heavily classified so its hard to get decent information on them. the crew could very well be told there is no du but they actually couldn't know if that is true. So rn the general public no one knows if the mass deployed abrams have du or not

@@altacc0604 Pretty much. The real beef with WT is the fact there was 5 tanks (per a source) listed with DU hulls. But that's not enough for them. They will do many other prototypes of other tanks. What's stopping them from introducing the DU hulled "prototype"? All that said, going back to the prior point of Tankers not knowing the hull composition - consider a grunt knowing about explosives in depth. It's not in the job description. Knowing that something is RDX or Composition 4 is one thing. It's a whole other ball of wax knowing how to make the stuff. Most explosives aren't even classified. Just because you're blowing up stuff doesn't mean you know exactly the chemical compounds are in use. You should know the general blast effects, but effects are not the building blocks of the creation of the material. Similarly, knowing you got some bomb ass composite armor and knowing what's in it, are very different.

You mean Abrams vs T-62?

When, in Iraq most were blown up by aircraft, as well as the british of course .

​@@eth_saver Lol keep coping, the Abrams killed a lot of T-72's in Irak.

​@@misterputin8898lion of Babylon tanks. Domestically produced t72s with full steel armor, no composites.

​@@misterputin8898the t72m?

I am sure all tanks would fail that it sounds more like a issue on the tankers then the tanks there a reason tanks try to stay out of urban areas and especially where your surrounded you will get killed very fast

It's exported Abrams with less significant armour protection than current US army abram.

lol thinking Saudi have the same abrams the US has is insane. US only sells its shit variants or variants that are not considered peer threat. Same thing happens with planes, we also tend to strip our stufff out of armor and planes before we give them to others. Hence why other nations have F16's but they do not have the same block or radar's that the US uses.

Well, nobody can resist people being wrong on the internet, not even people with access to classified documents.

War thunder moment. I once used AA SPG autocannon to attack tank weak points in the War Thunder mobile. In real life autocannon is lethal against tank side armor

Two Bradleys and two attack drones. The tank remained intact and the crew was alive

They will definitely assume a lot in them. Mb only in Armata they will have something realistic bc they can talk to UralVagonZavod

they did, just incorrectly

again no source

@@haythemsandel8303 The inner walls of the tank are rubberized kevlar panels about 1-2 inches thick. They are a spall liner.

I totally agree its not accurate and shouldnt be used to say if a nation is weak or strong, however in this specific case there seems to be truth to it because gaijin randomly increased most abrams rof by 30% recently

@@kingderpington6082 pretty sure it used data from thunderskill

You can literally see multiple nations with much worse vehicles at the same tier outperforming the US, because US players, despite honestly having some good tanks and planes, just don't know how to play the game because it is many people's 'default' choice when starting out in the game, and US tanks at top tier play nothing like they do leading up to it

all stat are from thunder skill. And far i remember only Japan has a different server.

That'd wreck any balance. If DM53 could just go around penning anything, it'd be incredibly overpowered to use and fight against

@@Goddamndan200 Good that they just passed Object 195 to the devs. You know, the 152mm gun tank with some 1050mm pen APFSDS??? Lolpen will be allowed for Russia sooner or later.

both L26 and L27 were also designed to counter russian ERA.

M829A2 was designed with Kontakt-5 HERA in mind. The entire point of it was to deal with this ERA type. In game it doesnt. A3 was designed to deal with Relikt. Its probably capable of penetrating Relikt ERA, considering older ERAs like 3BM42 can occasionally penetrate it