AMEN! We need new producers!!

Second that; my thoughts exactly. Barbara must go.

I don't understand why both producers can't let Bond go and find a new way forward. Especially Barbara Broccoli seems to be making very odd decisions (or not doing anything at all). I do hope that they find Bond proper new 'management' - thankfully the company is under Amazon and not Disney.

I might be inclined to agree…but be careful what you wish for. Who knows who we’d get in their place.

Will babs and michael hand it down to their children or grandchildren?

This is exactly what they should do, but they won't. Exploring Bond's emotional life, even though it was handled with almost no nuance for the most part, has gotten EON showered with accolades throughout Craig's tenure. Barbara successfully broke free from her father's image of pumping out 'disposable' popcorn entertainment, and successfully made a name for herself in the industry for eschewing what came before. I wholeheartedly believe EON deem making 'classic' style Bond films beneath them now - they got a taste of rightfully earned critical praise with Casino, but this led to 15+ years of misplaced smugness; the wheels gradually falling off with each successive awful creative decision sanctioned. Now, I don't think they see a path forward. They made Blofeld his brother, they made him resign every film, they made him fall deeply in love twice in less than a ten year period, they made him a daddy, then they killed him. What the hell else is there to delve into? The only logical decision is to return to making actual Bond films, not this embarrassing car crash of a $300+ million dollar soap opera. But how can they when it's granted them such status among their industry peers? So they're stuck between what they perceive to be a rock and a hard place, even though the 'rock' in question is Cubby and Harry's legacy, aka the dependable bedrock that was 1962-2002.

I agree about the missions being important to refreshing the franchise. Perhaps it's a bit formulaic at this point, but they should consider Martin Campbell for the comeback film with a new bond since he's so good at doing it.

Definitely need to find ONE director to stick around for several movies like John Glen did. This crap of switching directors for every movie needs to stop.

@@stuffedsheepshead I agree completely with this. I think they were even surprised themselves at the massive success of Skyfall - the only Bond to make over billion dollars by a considerable margin. With Spectre and NTTD, they have been trying to chase that success by cherry picking a part of Skyfall (its emotion) and turning it up to 11 at the expense of some of the core aspects of the Bond franchise. Before Craig, and probably even before Skyfall, the idea of making Blofeld part of Bond's family or killing Bond would have been laughed out of the writers' room. I look at something like GoldenEye as a good balance of emotion (Bond being hurt by Alec's betrayal), or of course Bond's revenge in LTK.

Perfectly said

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plus she hasn't the balls to admit it when quizzed, instead she's happy to kick the can down the road not even trying to come up with a plausible reason for the delay OR that ending to the last film.

Needlessly vile comment.

The franchise has been around 60 years by constantly evolving. Even early on, comparing Moonraker to 'From Russia with Love' is a very different experience but Moonraker was a massive hit because it was the right film for 1979.

Let Bond be an Agent, who fight without weapons against crime, manipulation, corruption etc.

Young people like be a hero and do that they see in such criminal weapon films, exist a lot of true cases, that is bad. You should get a hero without weapons etcYES, than we have a better life

Yea definitely starting to seem like that ending was perhaps a lot more final than we had all thought….

Too many fans still want to believe that Daniel Craig was great in the role - forgetting he fought for this ending/ bond to be killed off for years. Everything Goldfinger touched turned to gold, everything Daniel touched turned to….

The lead actor should know his place. It's good to be the lead, but you don't give this person the power to demand what Craig did and crown him a "producer." He did NOT have the Midas touch

Craig disrespected the role and franchise....ultimately

Probably Barbara saying what don’t you Bond fans get? We killed him! Move on. Good ol Barbara. Cubby rolling over in his grave.

Can’t wait to pick one up

I hired Kim Sherwood's Double or Nothing from the library and tried to read it - it was unreadably bad. Like - the most far left, neo-marxist, wokest of woke woke BS I had ever tried to read. I've heard that Higson's latest is equally as bad - portraying some badly written Nigel Farage analogue as the evil baddie as if "ooh the far-right bogey-men are the real problem with the world today". No thanks. I downloaded Raymond Benson's Zero Minus Ten from Audible instead and I'm quite enjoying it so far.

A few viewpoints on James Bond literary and cinematic, past, present and future. They are great Bond adventures. Quite a few of the continuation novel authors are active on social media. Raymond Benson, Jeffery Deaver Anthony Horowitz and Kim Sherwood are just a few who have liked and interacted with fans. There are also several Bond alumni in general who have liked my social media posts. I recommend the Dynamite Comics run. The authors also interact with Bond fans. Hang in there fans, the memories are always there, and more of the people are lovely. For future Literary Bond adventures, I was thinking of Charles Cumming and Charlotte Philby. Both are thriller writers, with a bit of spy influence. Fleming wrote Bond as a modern day character, IFP should stick to that for now. A modern day spinoff I would like to see are for certain villains: Blofeld and Irma Bunt, Goldfinger and Oddjob, Alec Trevelyan and Francisco Scaramanga. They could all have interesting backstories set in the modern day BEFORE they meet James Bond. The only 2 negative things that I will say about EON's future with Bond is that Purvis and Wade should be done writing. Great ideas men, but it's simply time for a change. Even Richard Maibaum took breaks! And sadly bashed 2 of the 3 movies he didn't work on. Also, no actor should ever again get the amount of creative control that Craig had. He was like a spoiled brat at times. It always seemed Barbara Broccoli bowed down to him, (and never to Brosnan). If her dad could have given Connery even half of that, he might have played Bond longer. On the postive side, Gregg Wilson (MGW's son) has become more active in producing. He could take over his dad's job one day, with his aunt. Plus, if Amazon is helping with the budgets, more movies could be made more quickly. They want a return on their MGM investment, Bond will surely help with that! I'm very grateful to the James Bond fandom. However, we need to keep ourselves in check. We can disagree while being respectful to each other. That's one thing that Bond fandom has over other fandoms. I'm always interested in listening to others' James Bond opinions. Let's always be kind. We are one of the luckiest fandoms in the world. Let's always be appreciative of each other. Most franchises burn out. Bond hasn't, and probably never will at this point. It's because of respectful fans that this has happened. Please respect each other, it is shown. We are truly lucky.

@@_JMB I'm listening to Zero Minus Ten on audible at the moment by Raymond Besnon - its great. But Kim Sherwood's works are unreadable woke trash. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Bond will be a black, transgendered, vegan pacifist that uses sit-ins and leaflet campaigns to thwart to misunderstood "villain".

Especially Disney!!!! 😫 Bond’s new mission - fight against the patriarchy!

" Cubby lived and breathed 007 and worked his socks off to deliver a film -a great film, every 2 or 3 years." - THIS ^^. This is the reason WHY Barbara Broccoli killed off the Bond franchise. BECAUSE in a deep-seated part of her psyche - going all the way back to the earliest memories of her childhood - she felt that her father loved the Bond franchise more than he loved her. So - subconsciously - she HATED the Bond franchise. She always has done. That's why she choose Daniel Craig - the one man in England who wanted to kill off James Bond - to be the lead actor when she finally had control of the franchise.

This. And cast Tom Ellis as Bond.

⁠@@brutalieriNo thanks. He's too well known as Lucifer. We don't need to set it in the 50's. Today's movies are garbage and they'll ruin the 50's with their cgis. They have already ruined the James Bond and Indiana Jones saga. Both Indiana Jones The Kingdom of Crystal Skull and Indiana Jones Dial of Destiny were garbage. Indiana Jones The Original Trilogy is a masterpiece. There are only 3 Indiana Jones films, 3 masterpieces and my personal favorite is The Last Crusade.. Daniel Craig Bond films are mediocre... The only good ones are Casino Royale and Skyfall.. Those 2 Craig Bond films are masterpieces. The only great Pierce Brosnan Bond films are GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies.. GoldenEye is a masterpiece and Tomorrow Never Dies is alright. Both Timothy Dalton Bond films are masterpieces.. Both The Living Daylights and Licence To Kill are masterpieces. The only great Roger Moore Bond films are The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only and Live And Let Die.... The Spy Who Loved Me is a masterpiece.. Sean Connery has 4 great Bond films and he has 3 masterpieces... Goldfinger, Thunderball and From Russia With Love are masterpieces. Sean Connery is the best Bond... George Lazenby has only one Bond film and his movie is a masterpiece... I love On Her Majesty's Secret Service. the only great Bond films are "GoldenEye, Casino Royale, Skyfall, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Licence To Kill, The Living Daylights, Goldfinger, The Spy Who Loved Me, Thunderball and From Russia With Love."

This would be amazing and would remove any pressing need to make it woke - one issue is the greedy producers are all about the back handers from ‘brands’ - David is a perfect example of how much a small fortune can be rinsed out of us to get closer to our hero. Vintage suits, cars and watches don’t work as product placement

It’s a good idea but in reality it’d be a 2020s reading of the 50s.. dialogue, attitudes, looks… I think it would be a disappointment.

The beginning should de WW2

In fairness the Connery budgets were quite large by todays standards-the volcano set in 'You only live twice' cost the same as the entire budget of Dr No and that was only 5 years prior. Troubled productions certainly balloon the budget-Tomorrow Never Dies cost nearly double what Goldeneye did [$110 million compared to $60 million]. I'd guess Bond 26 will be cheaper mainly as it's probably a whole new cast but people will expect scale [Skyfall was mostly filmed in the UK [with the China scenes filmed there] but that skill had scope.

Same here

You’re not alone.

Count ourselves lucky as we have 50 years of films, comics, games, books etc

@@EthanKnight97 speak for yourself

It's hard to when we have no update

It makes a dreadful rewatch for sure!

Perhaps but I don't know many millennials or Gen Z who gift a flying fuck about James Bond. Without a future audience it will become a relic of the past

David Zaritsky for producer!

If anything it's better the people doing Bond currently are connected to the franchise rather than a corporate hire who's just pumping out content to keep there job. I do think Star Wars is much less special for having frequent content rather than when it was the biggest franchise around because you only got a film every 3 years or so. Barbara B has worked on Bond since Octopussy and Micheal G. Wilson was involved in Goldfinger so they've spent most of there lives doing it. Besides, surely the Craig era did take massive risks [going back to doing a reboot and giving Bond a character arc for Casino] and were big hits.

@@jamesatkinsonja That's a fair point. Star Wars has been completely ruined in my opinion because of corporate influence. Will need to stay tuned, but hopefully something will come soon, there's so much potential and a whole new generation of fans to capture

They did market NTTD as the last movie-Craig was quite open in saying it was his last one and it was very much build as a 'final chapter'. Of course it's going to get a reboot as has most properties but Craig was it's own continuity. I think they only put that there due to tradition anyway.

@@jamesatkinsonja I’m not talking about Craig’s last I meant no more as if EON would shut down

They are taking WAY too long with this.

Casino Roayle doesn't follow the ending of Die Another Day at all. Bond has already done a hard reboot and franchises reboot all the time so I don't see the problem. You could easily bring Tony Stark back in a new film as long as it's outside the MCU. Besides, Hugh Jackman is coming back as Logan/Wolverine after he was killed off...

But Spectre ending like that and people didn't seem to like that so I'm not surprised they didn't do that.

Yeah, but nobody has tried to reimagine Elvis for a modern audience. We've just celebrated the brilliance of the man. Bond's essence has been diluted and will be further vandalised going forward given current day politics.

No that gap was because of very very different circumstances. There were legal rights issues being fought about. None of that is happening now. This is all just creative fatigue.

Goldeneye came out in 1995, filming commenced fall of 94 I think - no time to die began filming more than 5 years ago and there has been no court case to tie up the producers and the franchise - it’s more a simple case of Broccoli’s don’t care - they have our money now we can F Off

1989-1997 - that was 8 years and we had 3 excellent films in that time: LTK, GE & TND. In the last 8 years - from 2016-2014 - we've had precisely one Bond film - the abysmal NTTD - with no new Bond films on the horizon for at least the foreseeable future of another 3, 4 or 5 more years...

@@richarddobson4marrickville Each to there own as I really don't care for LTK personally and it's the lowest performing Bond at the box office adjusted for inflation while NTTD made nearly $800 million at the box office has a 83% score on Rotten tomatoes and was nominated for Oscars... TND was reviewed pretty middling at the time too [with a 57% Rotten tomatoes score].

I'd hate to see what Social media recation would be to 'Moonraker' especially given how 'un fleming' it is. I'm sure people would be moaning about Cubby to step down [and there was a reason why the return of Sean Connery was embraced at the time with Never Say Never again' despite the quality of that film].

Same here, finally watched it on TV. I just wasn't interested when I heard what they had done. The worst Bond.

I think the current zeitgeist sucks.

@@1114gabby I agree completely.

But MI6, Bond, 007, none of it was even mentioned...It was the great "nothing".

Brosnan surrounded himself with 'strong woman' too-Natalia, Wai Lin and Elektra king certainly hold there own against him as characters [and Jinx does in the action department even if she's not well written]. I don't think any Bond actor put in as much work behind the scenes as Craig did [as shown by the many injuries he sustained]. The only way that 'cliff hanger' would work if Craig played the part rather than an actor the audience has no connection too [and so it doesn't feel too 'Bourne Identity'] and you'd still have Madeline and Mathilde present [as unlike Kissy Suzuki in the novels, the MI6 team know who they are]. A hard reboot is a much easier sell.

I agree with the David Arnold comment

It’s longer still when you consider that they finished NTTD earlier than that and Covid delayed release.

@@jupiterfive3379 exactly. It's been 5 years since NTTD finished filming and when it was originally supposed to be released in 2019. Cubby wouldn't have been wasting time sitting on his hands or 5 years.

@JacktheFilmFanatic-vu1nk its not so much that Barbara doesn't care for Bond - she actively hates the Bond franchise in a deep subconscious part of her psyche. Because the Bond franchise was her father's baby - his most loved baby - and when she was a child she felt that he loved Bond more than he loved her. It drove her insane with bitterness and jealousy. That's why she choose Daniel Craig for Bond in the first place - because they were BOTH determined to kill off Bond.

Poor Barbara still can't get over Craig's retirement although it came 10 years and 2 films too late!

@@richarddobson4marrickville hahaha WOW!

They also need to get rid of Phoebe Waller Bridge as a producer, if they want king-term success for the Bond franchise. PWB only knows how to do one thing: kill off the main character.

Yep - that's how it goes in my head canon - NTTD was a dream. So was Spectre and the whole "Brofeld" nonsense. Indeed so was most of Skyfall with all its nonsense plotholes and melodramatic pretentiousness. In my head canon - Bond was shot by Eve Moneypenny off the top of a train at the start of Skyfall and the fall should have killed him but it didn't but he's been in a coma ever since having increasingly bizarre and ridiculous dreams - those being the plots of Skyfall, Spectre and NTTD. In Bond 26 he wakes up in hospital with Moneypenny and Tanner and Q and he's like "woah I had the most crazy dreams that M died and Blofield was my brother and Felix died and then I died some chick was 007 instead of me" and they're like "no James - don't be silly - that was all just a dream. You're still 007 and M's still alive and infact now you're awake you'd better come and report to her because she has a new mission for you" - cue the Bond theme music - DOONET DA DOO - DEE DOO DEE DOO - DA DA DOO!

Those two films are the worst.

That is not good…..AT ALL

But it has to be acknowledged that the Craig era in general had a following and he was very popular. Besides, most of his fans probably watched his whole saga [given were in the 'cinematic universe' generation] and both Spectre (nearly $900 million) and No Time to Die (nearly $800 million) had big audiences.

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Did you actually watch No Time to die or is this just going off the trailer? The character who's questioning his worth gains respect for him to the extent she's fighting alongside him at the end and gives him his number back. He's brought back into the fold by a man who greatly respects him-Felix- and his helped by his friends Q and Moneypenny. He dies a hero saving the day and the film ends with Madeline telling his story to his daughter, showing how much his exploits are going to go down in legend. The idea it made him out to be worthless is total nonsense. It's like taking the scene from 'Goldeneye' where M says Bond is a 'sexist misogynist dinosaur' in isolation and ignoring that Bond is not showing her any respect either but by the time of 'The world is not enough' they have strong mutual respect.

You say, “No.” There, easy :)

Purvis and Wade themselves have said they'd be happy to move on and they have brought in fresh writers for the last 3 films but each time they've had to bring Purvis and Wade back to get the scripts going [and there work is nearly always re-written by many other writers]. For example they got Peter Morgan in to writer what became Skyfall but his script was 'too John Le Carre' and not what they were looking for.

@@jamesatkinsonja Yes, I know this. I'm just saying that it's time for new writers and a completely fresh approach like what Christopher Nolan did with Batman Begins. I'm not saying he should make the next Bond film, but there needs to be a new filmmaker with new writers for the next era of Bond. Just my opinion.

They also need to get rid of Phoebe Waller Bridge as a producer. She means death to any franchise (see Indiana Jones).

I don't think killing Bond off has anything to do with it. It's completely irrelevant to a book writer or producer. EON killed themselves off, it seems.

You are aware Fleming himself toyed with killing Bond off-'From Russia With Love' cliffhanger ending could have been Bond's death if Fleming hadn't been inspired to write more and Bond is missing, presumed dead at the end of 'You only live twice' [to the extent M in NTTD is quoting from Fleming's obituary] and it does feel that he might have added a 'sequel hook' as it feels like it could have ended with Bond retired. Besides, they deviated from his books from day one casting a working class Scottish actor for his upper class English hero. Bond is hardly the only franchise to kill it's lead off in recent years [even doing it in Logan hasn't stopped Hugh Jackman coming back for Deadpool 3].

Definitely!!

Its clearly that Craig was a big part of the production right from the start. The original director of Quantum [Roger Mitchell] had worked with him before, as had the villain [Munich] and he was clearly doing a lot of heavy lifting and clearly worked well with the producers.

Faceless corporations live to destroy franchises tho. Amazon with lotr, Disney with everything else.

​@playedout148 and Barbara Broccoli with James Bond

@@playedout148 Hard to argue that - especially seeing what Disney has done to Star Wars. But no question about it… for the good of the Franchise…. I still think they MUST sell. (Just not to Disney 😳😳!)

She's hardly 'part time' given she's worked on Bond since Octopussy 40 years ago and the last 3 films made a combined $2.6 billion dollars.

@@jamesatkinsonja sure, but now she's NO TIME