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Is there a Black British Community?

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@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
Big up yourself, good topic we need more because there is no community, just weed, magnum, supermalt, jollof and vibes.
@marthasheilds2446
@marthasheilds2446 Ай бұрын
Selfish greedy society only care for themselves.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 🤣🤣 Though to be fair, that sounds like a recipe for a good time!
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
@@elywananda Good time with bad vibes among some British Africans & British Caribbeans, I think you need to do a part 2 to this topic, I think you should include some of our comments in part 2
@Nazarene_Judaism
@Nazarene_Judaism Ай бұрын
@@elywananda There are a lot of serious comments sir. I think this video deserves a part 2.
@BazM-mc3yq
@BazM-mc3yq Ай бұрын
No. Self hatred and hatred of each other is strong though!
@RoniForeva
@RoniForeva Ай бұрын
we don't hate one another we are just not the same. I am Ghanaian, I don't know a damn thing about Somalians who probably have more in common with arabs then they have with me
@orionxtc1119
@orionxtc1119 Ай бұрын
@@RoniForeva Yes I agree.... I also saw videos from South Africa where other Africans from others counries were beaten to death as immigrants by black South Africans...
@Magizmo2007
@Magizmo2007 Ай бұрын
​@@RoniForeva Exactly, to think the shade of your skin not values is unifying is simple minded. Only people who still think of the world in crayons think life is this simple.
@Joe-mt1sg
@Joe-mt1sg Ай бұрын
​​@@RoniForeva You both love white girls.
@CovenOfWonders
@CovenOfWonders Ай бұрын
THE 3 Ks ARE LAUGHING AT US
@user-qn6pq3lt6j
@user-qn6pq3lt6j Ай бұрын
No community just an online present and party’s.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
i know right
@villifula6062
@villifula6062 Ай бұрын
SPOT ON !
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
Trust me I know what you are talking about See how everyone moves on the shade borough typical blacks scrolling on their phones man
@Woo9082
@Woo9082 Ай бұрын
There is not one black community but several black communities in this tiny likely island
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
All facts
@gloverdragon6854
@gloverdragon6854 Ай бұрын
Black unity is only found when the group is basically homogeneous. The only black ethnic group that welcomed others are foundational black Americans. I’m from the uk, I’m Ghanaian and carribean people (namely Jamaican) made sure to let us know that we weren’t the same. Not saying good or bad, just saying that’s how it was, not going to pretend it was different.
@mladeau2105
@mladeau2105 Ай бұрын
This has been my experience as well, however I have always found Ghanaian's to be kinder to me being black british.
@gloverdragon6854
@gloverdragon6854 Ай бұрын
@@mladeau2105 Ghanaians are generally a warm people. They try to stay out of business that’s not theirs and they will generally try to help if they need to. We’re a nice bunch.
@lamueldagon7618
@lamueldagon7618 Ай бұрын
​@@gloverdragon6854I agree, I'm Black British of Jamaican descent and have reached out to our melanted brothers and sisters were ever their from.
@reubenthomas3699
@reubenthomas3699 Ай бұрын
Facts my bro. I’m black British Jamaican and even our mainland Jamaican people don’t like to align with the 1s born in England. To be fair everyone prefers to stick to their own culturally, however mainland african societies generally have way more humanity and love than Carribean society’s, hence why you see it in the individual peoples.
@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011
@fbafoundationalbuck-broken6011 Ай бұрын
​@@gloverdragon6854FBA IS A LITERAL ANTI FOREIGN BLACK HATE GROUP.
@nelsondada7097
@nelsondada7097 Ай бұрын
The answer is no , it’s better to fly out
@coyoluo
@coyoluo Ай бұрын
The answer is yes, It depends on where you live and what you define as a community.
@user-qn6pq3lt6j
@user-qn6pq3lt6j Ай бұрын
@@coyoluoit’s not but I guess if your talk about the little community you may have going on but not as a collective.
@horizonsglobalmedia
@horizonsglobalmedia Ай бұрын
There are Black communities. The term black is also reductionist
@coyoluo
@coyoluo Ай бұрын
@@user-qn6pq3lt6j Would you say there is a white community in the UK?
@Stephen-lx9nm
@Stephen-lx9nm Ай бұрын
​@@coyoluoYes its a white cou try
@thequarter2
@thequarter2 Ай бұрын
Black Unity is hard when we are diverse.... Diversity makes it hard to build on a common interest
@lonalxaia
@lonalxaia Ай бұрын
The unity sounds good on paper in reality it won't work your gonna have to get rid of a lot of people that stand in the way of unity.
@The1Green4Man
@The1Green4Man Ай бұрын
@@thequarter2 nor should blacks have a common interest in my peoples homeland, other than the national interest. If it is anything other than that, you should go back home.
@stellad7315
@stellad7315 Ай бұрын
so much excuses and cap
@Englishman4412
@Englishman4412 Ай бұрын
But, but, diversity is our strength….. 🙂
@thequarter2
@thequarter2 Ай бұрын
@@Englishman4412 diversity does not equal unity.... Look at Africa.... diverse in religion and culture yet tribalism and civil war is our way of life.... Diversity in political ideology also adds to the problem....
@kaylemkerr6989
@kaylemkerr6989 Ай бұрын
Hi I'm in my late twenties and I'm a black man born and still living in England (grandparents are Jamaicans). Personally, it has never really made sense to consider myself as part of a 'black' community in this country, let alone think it actually exists. There's only communities based on certain cultural heritages that are distinct from one another, and yet I have little interest in being a part of that as well. I live by no sense of obligation or perhaps covert contract (I'm paraphrasing) to the 'black community'. For me due to my specific experiences growing up from childhood into adulthood, considering myself as apart of the BC would ignore and perhaps betray all the important non black people whom I've also been in community with! I only care about common interests, values, and mutual respect, not race. My interest in the concept of identifying with 'blackness' also happened to collapse, one of many reasons being that scientific research demonstrates the fact that race isnt biological/real (the idea of all black people being the same is a delusion); race is only real because of our social belief in it and the consequences as a result.
@jacklyneverage3881
@jacklyneverage3881 Ай бұрын
You can walk around talking abou denying race all you want and it's not changing the fact that you are a Black person and denying the biological existence of race doesn't mean you won't face real life consequences for the social category of race that you are put in. The fact younhols that much disdain for Black people shows racism has done a successful job in destroying your connection and perception with other Black folks. Also, friendships have zero to do with you being part of a community. You can be in several communities because of having several identities and there is nothing wrong with it when you can come together with those in your communities for support, camaraderie, and learning how to live and operate as a member of that community as well as having collective power to protect your individual civil and human rights and give opportunities you don't get from other communities. Also, Black people in London definitely suffer from racism, lack of representation, and have lower measures of success in various areas compared to their white counterparts. Just stop it. Your willful denial doesn't change reality.
@sk8ermGs
@sk8ermGs Ай бұрын
Nice to see somebody here thinking rationally and realistically
@bjrnthebootybandit
@bjrnthebootybandit 24 күн бұрын
Sell out
@ItsyBitsyChelly
@ItsyBitsyChelly Ай бұрын
The thing is, Africans look down on Caribbeans and I have heard from African Americans that they do the same over there, so there is always going to be a divide where one group thinks they are better than the other.
@Chiraqfan.
@Chiraqfan. Ай бұрын
Why are you saying it like it’s one sided ?
@baisabel5193
@baisabel5193 Ай бұрын
It goes both ways black west indians and black american also despices black african ,some prefer north african
@Chiraqfan.
@Chiraqfan. Ай бұрын
@@baisabel5193 facts
@Chiraqfan.
@Chiraqfan. Ай бұрын
@@baisabel5193 facts
@baisabel5193
@baisabel5193 Ай бұрын
@@Chiraqfan. im franco Angolan .3 generation of immigration from my mother side . My grandmother arrived in the 80's,some black west indians loathsome toward her inferiorizes her ,talk about her unattractive hair or color skin .irony When she confronted them,they replied that it is she who is jealous of their hair and Light skin. She understood ,they had internalized a lot of infériority complex in front of her it just come out. My grandmother speaks more easily to europeans rater than any black .
@JEAGERlST
@JEAGERlST Ай бұрын
Black or African? Nobody in Africa calls themselves black. They identify by their ethnicity and clan or tribe.
@moragcampbell3577
@moragcampbell3577 Ай бұрын
At Last 👏👏👏 some sense
@stellad7315
@stellad7315 Ай бұрын
who cares what Africans think their poor. Just act as one country already, instead of like 50 irrelevant countries which have produced nothing, done nothing, have no significant industries like banking, tech, manufacturing and cars etc.
@Stephen-lx9nm
@Stephen-lx9nm Ай бұрын
Should follow Africa. Not united states
@darkbritkidathart
@darkbritkidathart Ай бұрын
Very true, but here in the UK we don't hold the same difference for these terms. Most Caribbeans understand that they are also African, just have spawned differing cultures. There's not really denial of African heritage over here amongst Black people here.
@stellad7315
@stellad7315 Ай бұрын
@@darkbritkidathart Caribbean are mixed with European and native Caribbean too. Caribbeans understand they have African features genetically not all Caribbeans are similar to an African and our own group of people.
@MikeyLikesIt89
@MikeyLikesIt89 Ай бұрын
As a Black American descendant of slavery I just want to say that I have no comment but I am happy to have came across this conversation. My eyes have been opened and I am looking forward to seeing your other videos around black British issues.
@jacklyneverage3881
@jacklyneverage3881 Ай бұрын
I'm a Black American descendant of slavery too watching. 😅😅😅Some deep stuff here.
@thewordsmith5440
@thewordsmith5440 Ай бұрын
Me too. They would have to wait like another century to get a unified black community so there aren't these distinct groups.
@Adwoa_Agyei
@Adwoa_Agyei Ай бұрын
I don't think that will ever be because new african immigrants are coming to the uk and starting a family every day there will never be a unified black community unfortunately here is too much cultural differences coming from different countries​@@thewordsmith5440
@joey-pn3xe
@joey-pn3xe Ай бұрын
@@thewordsmith5440to a small degree yes. However it’s very different from the African perspective to the black American one. British African children are always taught that home is back in Africa and most visit on a regular basis. The black American experience is that the USA is home or Black Caribbean and that’s it so assimilate and intermarry quicker.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
@@Adwoa_Agyei yes you got that right we actually have new immigrants coming, people are forgetting. glad you said this.
@vyrisss
@vyrisss Ай бұрын
Caribbeans are more community based than the other african groups and they are more accepting than others like you said. Since the Caribbean population is dying, black British culture is dying. Those new immigrants are very to themselves
@robinhood8889
@robinhood8889 29 күн бұрын
As a Somali in the early '90s, I remember having a tough time in school, mainly because of issues with Caribbean students. I had thought school would be enjoyable with many fellow Africans there(I was ignorant of many things)-I couldn't have been more mistaken. Being the only Somali, I found the environment harsh and it initially left me with a negative view of Caribbean people. Thankfully, this resentment and trauma eventually faded after meeting some truly wonderful individuals from the Caribbean. Now, living in the UK, I certainly feel a stronger sense of unity.
@thomaspalmer36
@thomaspalmer36 29 күн бұрын
I think Caribbean population is dying because they are mixing with White. It's changing the UK but I welcome the integration. I'd rather immigrants integrate, Jamaicans do integrate. I have mixed race nieces and nephews, they keep Jamaican culture alive.
@mahalallel2012
@mahalallel2012 Ай бұрын
Is there a Black British Community? You need to do a series of videos interviewing a broad spectrum of black people in the UK to truly answer that question.
@freedomm
@freedomm Ай бұрын
Or a roundtable discussion. I hope he pursues this subject.
@mrmegabuckssongs
@mrmegabuckssongs Ай бұрын
No need. It's easy to see there is no Black community
@Ruiego11
@Ruiego11 Ай бұрын
Yeah I'm from Zimbabwe and I agree with you. I been here since 2006 and it's way different now. Places like Milton Keynes are a bit different with a larger Zimbabwean community... Great content
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@Ruiego11 Yeah I've only recently learned that there are loads of people from Zim in Luton, Milton Keynes, etc.
@Panache707
@Panache707 Ай бұрын
Zim or no zim UK has failed us I wasn't expecting much from this place.
@dominiqpowell37
@dominiqpowell37 Ай бұрын
Listen mate, do the Polish mix with the Irish, or even do the English mix deeply with the Irish. Nobody seems to mix with others. It's about tribes.
@markbright662
@markbright662 Ай бұрын
@@Panache707there’s plenty of opportunities here you can’t always blame the situation
@jamesstone9091
@jamesstone9091 Ай бұрын
It's turned into a proper shit hole.
@lizzieloves.x
@lizzieloves.x Ай бұрын
Love your content!!
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Fernando-gt5jt
@Fernando-gt5jt Ай бұрын
I’m writing this without having watched any of the video.. the answer is no
@tochukwunjoku
@tochukwunjoku Ай бұрын
Ely, great video once again. There is a black community now, but it is still very young in terms of how we navigate our relationship with each other. However, Ely I disagree, back in the days Africans received a lot of hostility from our Caribbean people. I have to say our Caribbean brothers and sisters did not do what needed to be done to establish a solid black British community because they were busy chasing whiteness and white acceptance. Most successful Caribbean man I know married outside their race, which made building a solid black community difficult.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
There is no black community, only Africans help Africans. From what I have seen I am Gen z and many Africans stick to themselves they marry within themselves its rare to see an African woman want to marry a Caribbean man.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@tochukwunjoku Honestly, I never experienced any real hostility from Caribbeans at all growing up. Not from peers, not from their parents (I met loads of them, including some parents of girlfriends!). Now I've married into a large Jamaican family, and it's been nothing but love.
@tochukwunjoku
@tochukwunjoku Ай бұрын
@@elywananda Well done Ely for marrying a black woman - I have special appreciation for black men like yourself, who honor your women. God bless you richly - so now when I support your channel I know my sister is also benefiting.
@kelugu3776
@kelugu3776 Ай бұрын
I agree there was some hostility towards Africans when I was growing up in the 80s, and vice versa, but the advent of social media has helped a lot. Many Carribbean Brits have started to explore the continent and have realised how similar some parts of Africa are to the Caribbean. It's all love these days.😂❤
@FA9082
@FA9082 Ай бұрын
There is no black community and there never will be bc BP are genetically predisposed to NOT cooperate with each other
@PM-gp3oy
@PM-gp3oy Ай бұрын
There is no black community, neither is there any sense of unity amongst black people here in the UK and that's why Asians are ahead of us in terms of collective wealth, I just googled Jean Adebambo she was indeed a wonderful singer , it says in her bio that she took her own life, that is really really sad, may her soul rest in peace. I think you should do a video on depression in the black UK community as I believe that may have been a contributing factor to her leaving us so prematurely.
@rogerdoger3347
@rogerdoger3347 Ай бұрын
Asians in the UK only care for their own and dont mix or care for blacks whites.
@kla1907
@kla1907 Ай бұрын
@@PM-gp3oy love them or hate them, the Pakistani community in the midlands/North England really do run tings.... This is done by marrying and reproducing within the race. Opening businesses and supporting each other. Hell they've even taken over the d**** trade
@SugiSeufz
@SugiSeufz Ай бұрын
I'm going to have to disagree here. If you meant South Asian, they're not united at all, but instead split into ethnicities like Punjabi, Bengali, Gujarati, Tamil, Nepali and into countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal etc., into Religions like Hindu, Islam, Buddhism, Jains etc. and further into different castes, who usually don't intermarry. So no, South Asians are far from being united, I'd say they are the least united race in the UK.
@tick999
@tick999 Ай бұрын
You think there's unity with Pakistanis and Indians because both are brown? You think there's until of Indians with their cast system? You think there's unity of Chinese? China is the worlds biggest slave market that we all use. The difference is in the parenting. They say you will be a doctor you will be PM. Black tell their children the world is against you.
@Maustafa.m
@Maustafa.m Ай бұрын
​@@VinaTaurus88Black Caribbeans are the second wealthiest? Based on which data or statistics? Any report on income, education and race shows that Black Caribbeans the poorest community in the UK with the lowest percentage of academic success.
@JD-qn7xw
@JD-qn7xw Ай бұрын
Another excellent content, subscribed and following.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Thank you, and welcome!
@rammingspeed5217
@rammingspeed5217 Ай бұрын
​@@elywanandathe thing is, you blame "racism".. But was the average working class British man ASKED if they wanted foreigners on their soil?.. For example.. Lets say we replaced Japanese with boatloads and boatloads and boatloads of Nigerians, would you say its OK?
@skeennah1927
@skeennah1927 Ай бұрын
same here
@oneilchambers1938
@oneilchambers1938 Ай бұрын
Watching Supacel, A series by Africans, It's hard not to notice the impact, Jamaican/West Indian culture has in Britain. People forget how small the English speaking caribbean is, Less than 6 million people.
@horizonsglobalmedia
@horizonsglobalmedia Ай бұрын
Caribbean people has had an ennormous impact in relation to their population size in Caribbean and their numbers in Britain. They were a unified community irrespective of which country they came from. From Liverpool to London, they saw themsleves as one community. The Notting Hill Carnival (which has become one of the biggest in the world) is great example of their unity. They also blaze the trail in politics, business, unionism, education, entertainment, fashion, trends and other industries. They established their own 'banking system' called pardna, susu, box money , depending which country they came from. They forge and fought together against racism and discrimination at all levels. I do not think a lot of black new comers understand or appreciate the sacrifice Caribbean people made to make it easier for them to walk the streets of Britian and progress in their various pursuits. In many instances, Caribbean people were typecast as ' troublemakers'. But it was 'good trouble' (to borrow the phrase) which perpelled the change we see today.
@casmartin790
@casmartin790 Ай бұрын
I came across your channel a couple of days ago and clicked as you look very similar a close friend of mine so I was intrigued, and I've got to say, your content is very high quality and very well researched and presented. I've shared with my mother and brother and they both agree, and this video here was very good. What helps me/us connect is that we also spent many years in the same places like Hackney, Leyton, and Walthamstow in the 80's and 90's too 🤝🏾
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@casmartin790 Thank you family 🙏🏿
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
I know Leyton, Leytonstone, Hackney, Wanstead, Chingford, Highams Park and Walthamstow...I had a friend live at 169 Hale End Road, in Walthamstow near the A406, many years ago. He doesn't live there now. It was a newly built council apartment (I guess you guys call them flats) - ground floor too, wide doors. It was small but comfortable. This was in the late 90s and very early 2000s.
@GotJay713
@GotJay713 Ай бұрын
I think you've opened the door to a bigger conversation that us Americans should be having ourselves. African immigrants are becoming a larger share of our population and some people have seen a decline in our coheason. This declining unity has resulted in a push to distinguish between Foundational Black Americans and African immigrants. It's both frustrating and sad, because other ethnic groups like Asians have done the opposite. Yes, we have different cultures and come from different starting points, but how do we maintain economic and political unity? That's my biggest concern.
@JonnyRootsDem
@JonnyRootsDem Ай бұрын
It was the struggle that kept us black brits together back in the day, and yes, most were Jamaican, Antiguan and other west indians. My dad came here from Sierra Leone in the late 40s, and my mum from Puerto Rico soon after. But the black community today are very different in culture and views. I grew up in Hackney in the 80s and 90s, so I fully agree.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
I think us lot have individualism views we do not think for others but for ourselves end off
@TickleMeChelmno
@TickleMeChelmno Ай бұрын
No they didn’t.
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
I know Hackney. I remember there was a Nigerian Freightforwarding company called McKnod Exports (UK) Ltd. It was at 71 Digby Road, Hackney, London E9 6HX. I know there were a lot of Nigerians living in Hackney at that time (1990s and 2000s). This was in the late 1990s and very early 2000s. I went to Hackney a few years ago and it has really improved - become gentrified. It's an up and coming area - same with Balham, London Borough of Lambeth in South London.
@kenziepeace6096
@kenziepeace6096 Ай бұрын
The numbers changed as black carribeans mixed out in large numbers.
@thewordsmith5440
@thewordsmith5440 Ай бұрын
You mean married non-black people?
@suzettewilliams1758
@suzettewilliams1758 Ай бұрын
We practically disappeared into the white population and, to a lessee extent, West Africans as I've never felt particularly very welcome as a person of Jamaican origin.
@gloverdragon6854
@gloverdragon6854 Ай бұрын
⁠@@suzettewilliams1758other way round, actually. Jamaicans made sure to show us we were different. I experienced it from all Jamaican age ranges, not just the kids in my school. Their parents and even grandparents parents. First to tell you that you’re an entire continent, first to tell you how dark somebody is (even when they were dark, as well), first to try to negatively imitate an accent (even when you grew up in the uk), first to point out that you eat dishes such as fufu and laugh at it. When I was 7, I went round my mates house, he was Jamaican and our other friend was white english. I went to the toilet first, our W-English friend went 2nd, my Jamaican friend never did. Anyway, the white friend sh-t ALL OVER the bathroom, the mother discovers this questions all 3 of us. It wasn’t my Jamaican friend who did it, because he never went to the toilet, it was either me or the w-friend. Jamaican mother kicks me out the house , w-English friend got to stay behind. She could’ve kicked us both out, that would’ve been fair and reasonable, instead she kicked me out. She chose who was more valuable (in her mind), she was working via her subconscious and instilled prejudices of me as an African.
@honeybee19892
@honeybee19892 Ай бұрын
Many of their grandchildren/great grandchildren are basically white..
@johnashton4776
@johnashton4776 Ай бұрын
African-European are not black remember that.
@JosephShyngle
@JosephShyngle Ай бұрын
Racism in Britain is very subtle, has several layers and can be complex. Unlike in America, swathes of Blacks in England can go through life (recently at least) without experiencing any or hardly any significant Racism. I remember my Army days, enjoyed it, but there were no Black officers, no black guards at Buckingham Palace etc, the list is endless. Look at the treatment meted out to Black footballers: you are one of us, but make a mistake, and you are immediately treated differently. Blacks in Britain do not seem to have the confidence, drive, and ambitiousnes of Black Americans. The Asian community in Britain has sailed past us in achievements. We are not doing badly, but not doing too well. I cannot put my finger on what our problem is, Racism is an obstacle, especially the type in Britain, but should it really be allowed in this day and age, to stop us from making a mark in Britain?
@D1Snr
@D1Snr Ай бұрын
Yes of course racism is still an obstacle. The black community doesn't have the numbers to support businesses and industries within the community. The so called black community is too fragmented and sparsely spread to be of any significance. As a result, job creation is controlled by the dominant society and of course racism is a huge factor when it comes to employment. Also, try getting a business loan or raising funds from investors as a black person.
@rogerdoger3347
@rogerdoger3347 Ай бұрын
Racism is a big issues in the UK if your black not to progress in society.
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h Ай бұрын
It's really unfair to compare us to the Asian community, they didn't have their names and heritage ripped away from them and sold into slavery. Even in the Caribbean, as indentured labourers they were given land and thus a base with which to build together. They are also extremely communal minded which serves them well. It just isn't a fair comparison. You can see how in the Caribbean, every other group Chinese, Indian, Syrian etc. have all had a head start compared with descendants of stolen Africans - it's not fair to make comparisons to people who systematically were given more privilege- good for them and their achievements- but to compare us isn't quite right.
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h I know in British Guiana, the first Indians came in May 1838 I believe. They worked in sugar plantations. Their descendants now make up about 44% of the population in the Co-operative Republic of Guyana. I think the Chinese arrived in British Guiana sometime in 1853.
@righteouslioncomedian1069
@righteouslioncomedian1069 Ай бұрын
​@@user-dv3kq3rm4h 💯
@somerandomhomeboy
@somerandomhomeboy Ай бұрын
The expectation now is "community" is "ready made" for you to walk into. It's never been the case anywhere.
@MasimbaMusodza
@MasimbaMusodza Ай бұрын
Even Black people from a particular country do not always form a single community. My generation of Zimbabweans who came at the turn of the century appear to have little in common with the Zimbabweans who have come over the last few years. This may have to do with having different experiences. Fact as well, many Black people are marrying White British, and that too will have an impact on that sense of identity.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
I don't see many black people marrying white british unless you are caribbean
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
african people tend to marry within themselves that's just my generation
@MasimbaMusodza
@MasimbaMusodza Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 Happens a lot, actually. Especially with the generations born here. Those born in Africa tend to have their partner already when they migrate, or, as you said, marry someone from their community.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
You are wrong I have seen too many Africans stick to themselves. Africans date Africans even the ones born here trust me I know what I am talking about It's us caribbean lot who have successfully interracially dated white women. Africans tend to never marry us they look down on us even the ones born here they do not see us a marriage material I got a lot to say about this topic.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@MasimbaMusodza That's really interesting. I would've thought that the newer arrivals would just blend in with the earlier ones. But it makes sense that those who have been here for decades would be different to those who have just come.
@thehoxtontrend
@thehoxtontrend Ай бұрын
There is but it's mad toxic, lack of accountabiliy and support. Sorry mainly from the carribean side, africans have their moments at too but find the prior the most toxic of communities, but africans show more solidarity in my experiance. I used to love going into a black businessess and supporting, but most of the time they look fed up to see you and leave you with the worst service, I stopped that nonsense now.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
You are right, I hate working for anyone black they put you down but uplift others, this is why I always pray my manager ain't black
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
I also stopped going to black businesses they have shit service but once they see Ahmed or Sarah they become too beggy beggy
@tahliah6691
@tahliah6691 Ай бұрын
So true…..
@tahliah6691
@tahliah6691 Ай бұрын
@@hintquery-cp4tz😂😂😂😂👌🏾
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
@@tahliah6691 Its true though. Some of us ain't shit, don't get me started about the shit inauthentic restaurants with mad attitude, I will never spend my money on anyone just because their black, lesson has been taught so many times.
@David19749
@David19749 Ай бұрын
This is a conversation that needs to be had. It needs to be discussed on a bigger platform. I was born in the early 70s and have seen the change. Respect, brother, for addressing this issue.
@shaymene8112
@shaymene8112 Ай бұрын
what do you mean a bigger platform? Black people like you are traitors. Always want to put our business on a stage for everyone to hear!
@freedomm
@freedomm Ай бұрын
@@shaymene8112 He probably means a bigger conversation with different points of view. And no, he's not a traitor for wanting more Black people involved. My God, why is everyone except Gen X, so reactionary?
@Coco-uk9tv
@Coco-uk9tv Ай бұрын
​@@shaymene8112I vehemently disagree with you. I'm gen X, UK born late 60s to Caribbean parents and we definitely need to have these conversations openly in public. Too many of our children are suffering because of the "don't want my business out there " mentality. It's a fkin curse. Black Caribbean men have fked up the lives of so many in this country and we need to confront in order to move on, prosper and thrive
@Godlike-87
@Godlike-87 Ай бұрын
There was, I saw it slowly die in the noughties. I was born and raised in South London, Brixton. Clapham, Stockwell, Stretham were my home but white capital, poor environmental condtitions and social discord let it fall apart. Now I am not so certain.
@therealgodessisis
@therealgodessisis Ай бұрын
There is still a large Jamaican presence in London....Clapham, Wandsworth, Brixton, Battersea, Notting Hill. We are mixed, but those Jamaican genes are strong, the majority of houses in JA are being built by Jamaicans living and working abroad, but longing for yard. That will always unite us, you cannot beat it or breed it out of us.
@andyforbes5553
@andyforbes5553 Ай бұрын
Living in London during the 90s, I first experienced black on black hatred. The girls who lived next to me were of Caribbean descent, and they had a real problem with the black people of African descent, especially with the Somalia's that had only just come over in some number. I have to say, being a white Irish guy who wasn't long off the boat myself, this shocked me and also taught me a valuable lesson. The world is not always what we think it is or what we want it to be, and bigotry and prejudice are universal in this world. It's up to us to change it, but to do so, we have to stop this rush to label everyone and put us all in a certain box.
@baisabel5193
@baisabel5193 Ай бұрын
Im French-Angolan .3 generation from immigration . Your testimony call me,my grandmother commes to France beginning 80's.she would work housekeeper ,she told us ,the one she despised the most were the west indians .she was shock . And even now 40 years later she is reluctant to approach them for fear of being rejectd
@freedomm
@freedomm 27 күн бұрын
In the US there was tension between Irish and Italian immigrants and the established white American population and it's only in the 50s and 60s they started being seen as "white".
@bluepeter128
@bluepeter128 Ай бұрын
The black race to me is very broken or damaged by race issues over the centuries
@asmarshadeed
@asmarshadeed Ай бұрын
yOU SEE bLACK AS A RACE???????
@mahalallel2012
@mahalallel2012 Ай бұрын
More like 'FBR'
@bluepeter128
@bluepeter128 Ай бұрын
@@mahalallel2012 Sorry, whats FBR?
@bluepeter128
@bluepeter128 Ай бұрын
@@asmarshadeed Sorry can you educate me. Is black not a race?
@mahalallel2012
@mahalallel2012 Ай бұрын
@@bluepeter128 FBR: military term for 'effed' beyond recognition
@mj6115
@mj6115 Ай бұрын
I'm a mixed of black and Indian, via St Lucia and Guyana. When I meet a black person from any part of Africa they come across racist, looking down at me based on my heritage. I stay away from the Pan-African mindset. I'm born and raised in Hackney and that's where I'm from. People from Nigeria Ghana and Kenya come across like racist white people, who haven't met anyone different.
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
Omggg same. Im ugandan but im multigenerationally mixed like most east africans and i have never gotten on with other africans especially from Nigeria amd Ghana. Due to my ancestors mixing i obviously look different from most Africans and i am pretty and was always put down because of my beauty by unambiguous black ppl tryna make it seem lkke im just black
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
A Dougla - that's an exotic mix. I've heard Douglas can be mistaken for Eritrean or Ethiopian. And I can see what you're saying because I have "observed" it. I knew of Hackney. There were, probably still are a large Nigerian population. There's some Caribbeans too, but I've noticed a lot of Caribbeans in places like Balham, Streatham, Mitcham, Croydon, Norbury.
@ItsyBitsyChelly
@ItsyBitsyChelly Ай бұрын
I find Ghanaian people very prejudiced too.
@LauKillamunII
@LauKillamunII 17 күн бұрын
Can relate highly. A lot of hypocrisy, growing up in peckham and seeing the area become a nigerian zone in the late 90s, I got the worst racism of my life as a mixed carribbean man.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
Bro this is topic is easy I did not even have to finish the video No community bro
@GeneMickeyMann
@GeneMickeyMann Ай бұрын
There were too many Black Communities, the Nigerians, other Africans, the Smallies (non-Jamaican Caribbeans), the Somalis, etc. Note, the "West Indian" Communities saw themselves as the indegenous Brits that tolerated "them Africans,them boo-boo"
@adedamolamartins3810
@adedamolamartins3810 Ай бұрын
What does boo boo mean
@LauKillamunII
@LauKillamunII 17 күн бұрын
Poo poo. ​@@adedamolamartins3810
@Lettersfromhome18
@Lettersfromhome18 Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for leading me to Jean Adebambo and to 'Paradise'. What a beautiful song by an equally beautiful lady.
@jamesthomasson6678
@jamesthomasson6678 Ай бұрын
I wish you continued mate ... It would be interesting to note the challenge in reestablishing a sense of community among Black people. Currently, there is a strong emphasis on highlighting the differences within the Black community, such as varied backgrounds and cultural experiences. This recognition of diversity among us might make it harder to foster a unified social community. Does this focus on our differences hinder the progress of becoming more communal as Black people?
@thewealthwarren6940
@thewealthwarren6940 Ай бұрын
Been watching a couple months now, 1st time commenting. Great content- now more than ever (esp as we enter a 2nd decade of austerity) we need to put tribalism aside and focus on unified group economics & politics- bcos the government (yes even Labour) are not going to help us. This is a critical time
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Thanks a lot bro. You've got some fantastic stuff on your channel. We've been talking about investing in property for ages. We'll be digging into your videos for some guidance!
@thewealthwarren6940
@thewealthwarren6940 Ай бұрын
@@elywananda 👌🏾👏🏾👏🏾😇
@Indowaindowa
@Indowaindowa Ай бұрын
The answer is maybe. I believe it's generational. For example, in the 90s, being African was often seen as a diss. Today, it's much more normalized and accepted. There is a noticeable shift between generations. There is a kind of Black British community, which becomes especially apparent when the community needs to rise up and defend its young. Is this community strong? Probably not. Is it weak? Yes. Can it be strengthened? Maybe. I see a community because there's a shared language, identity, and common struggle. Those outside this community can clearly see it and often want to be part of it. In many ways, a community is like any household-it has its own issues and skeletons.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
nah there is no community, only time there is community is on the shade borough camping in the comments, retweeting and tweeting on black uk twitter, attending dlt events and that's it other than that its mini groups of black people from different culture
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
It ain't it, no community just nothing.
@inongezulu5859
@inongezulu5859 Ай бұрын
There is a black activist group (I think in London) that was created after too many blk kids being unalived etc and they usually go to places where something racial or unjust happens to demand accountability and support to the individuals. A blk child/ young person being unalived used to be a normal occurrence (wrong place wrong time) back in the day.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
@@inongezulu5859 who told you that such a lie no black community in london all lies
@inongezulu5859
@inongezulu5859 Ай бұрын
@@hintquery-cp4tz Black on the square will be happening again in September, in Trafalgar Square. There’s also been a black culture market that’s been developing. Depends where you go, it’s slowly changing. But the Caribbean ppl do tend to include us when they start something or when advocating for their own rights.
@Nazarene_Judaism
@Nazarene_Judaism Ай бұрын
The answer is NO. I am half "black" via my father and I can say NO. There are "black" sub cultures Somali, Nigerian, etc.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
True
@Changamira
@Changamira Ай бұрын
It's called divided and conquered for a reason you know. Just remember that when your non Black 'friends' that you put before your own unconditional family start calling you names the next time England loses a football match. While the US concept, 'one drop rule' is an inaccurate way to view human genetics. It was beneficial in bunching us people of African descent together in the same boat regardless of admixture and phenotype, because we truly have no friends but our own. This unfortunately never happened in places like South Africa, and today mixed and blacks hate each other despite both being native of the same lineage. Also the xenophobia the indigenous South Africans have against other Africans is wild. We will unite once ALL the tribes of our people, in and beyond the mother land just accept that we have been on the back foot in a cold war with Eurasians for 2400 years (since the last native Pharaoh ran away from Asian invaders into East Africa, and General Hannibal Barca was betrayed by pro Roman Judas's camp). "If one day you hear the Europeans praise me, know that I have betrayed you" Samora Machel, former president of Mozambique.
@Nazarene_Judaism
@Nazarene_Judaism Ай бұрын
@@Changamira rubbish. I am half black and sephardic jewish. fully jewish under jewish law. I am married jewish and live within the jewish community and speak my own language. all of my friends are my own people Jewish so I don't care about what white Gentiles say about people in England matches or whatever. I live a non-western life and separate from this society and my household is one culture. so all of what you said is irrelevant.
@gloverdragon6854
@gloverdragon6854 Ай бұрын
@@Changamira the one drop rule saved the minds of the b-people of America. Foundational Black Americans, in my opinion, have the best understanding of what blackness is. The w-supremacists forced them to look at themselves and unite together, even when their skin deep differences were apparent. Skin shade and hair type differences have absolutely destroyed the minds of the diaspora.
@visionentertainment8006
@visionentertainment8006 Ай бұрын
And there is nothing wrong with that
@montonousmaterial
@montonousmaterial Ай бұрын
The reason why there is no community is because we aren’t one homogenised group of people with a shared history like African Americans. Their culture, unity are products of their unique experiences with slavery in one country and migration in droves across one country . We need to stop looking at their blueprint and what they are doing as a benchmark for our own sense of community as our experiences with slavery, colonialism are completely different and should be viewed as such. we don’t need to force a homogenised sense of blackness on ourselves when it’s not necessary and maybe try to unpack the division within our countries/ communities. Rather than doing some umbrella ting
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
Yes I agree
@rogerdoger3347
@rogerdoger3347 Ай бұрын
Whites in the UK prefer blacks to be segregated and divided and not be together and their way of keeping us down .
@jnyerere
@jnyerere Ай бұрын
A few years ago, I watched a mini series called Small Axe. Beautifully made. I knew a little about Black Britts but Small Axe opened me up to their history and essence. It helped me to see the community.
@purevibe187
@purevibe187 Ай бұрын
I'm glad you liked it, it was a big thing done by Steve McQueen, much better than what Idris Elba did when he should have made something about his own people. Small Axe is a good document of history to show the lives of us "West indian" (caribbean) people in England as some of the earliest mass migrants, or "black" people as the British/colonizers like to label us as.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@jnyerere I liked most of that series too. The Education one was the best one imo, got me very emotional and reflective.The Mangrove one was also really good.
@TheMitch12356
@TheMitch12356 Ай бұрын
The answer is no. Mainly because black Caribbean and black African are very different in terms of culture. The way we view and do things is very different. Also, the black population across the United Kingdom outside of London is very small. I finished school back in 2012 in a small town called Stowmarket outside Ipswich. I was one of 4 black people in my year. Now living in Plymouth, Devon, The black population here is also less than 1%.
@CuddFresh
@CuddFresh Ай бұрын
I have to disagree, the black population outside London is not small anymore. It’s been growing fast, particularly in certain cities/towns, new immigrants are not favouring London so much these days, partly because it’s an expensive city and also there are established communities in other places around the UK
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
This! And even with Africans we are different. As a pretty African myself i have found that i don't ever hv good experiences with other Africans esepcially from west like Nigerians and Ghanaians but get on better with Caribbeans Blk ppl don't like helping each other and there's too much jealousy, gatekeeping and destruction that stops us from moving forward. We're just too different better to stick by yourself
@yvesbee9836
@yvesbee9836 Ай бұрын
That’s true there’s a massive disconnect culturally, but we are drifting further apart because we decide to focus on that instead of looking at our similarities and I can assure you they are plenty.
@Tony25287
@Tony25287 Ай бұрын
​@@yvesbee9836 what are the similarities in 2024?
@yvesbee9836
@yvesbee9836 Ай бұрын
@@Tony25287the same ones they have always been before we were interfered with. Regardless of how much we want to deny it, our religious beliefs, our cultures our foods, the way we move, talk, dance, it even goes down to the way we act at times is what make us similar.
@barrydnv7513
@barrydnv7513 Ай бұрын
Really interesting as usual. You need a podcast or phone in to flesh these things out! I think the transition from a black community to a black population is partly to be expected if we don't culturally look at how we maintain it. In your home ownership video you talked about how little property black britain owns. How can we expect a community if we can't control being together? It's about the bricks and mortar of having homes and businesses in a focused area. I think that follows through to looking at skills and resources that directly support that community. Again if they are not provided by the community itself (and I don't mean government) then there is not inherent drive to support itself.
@streetfashiontv9149
@streetfashiontv9149 Ай бұрын
Racism is no longer the glue that binds different black ethnic groups together. As the saying goes , "There's safety in numbers". As you rightly pointed out the exponential growth of the West African community means that they no longer feel the need to identify with and assimilate with Afro-caribbeans and the Somali community is also quite sizeable now. Further, you now have the 'new black' of Afro Latino's who stay within Spanish speaking communities. The economic effects of late stage capitalism also has an impact on social stratification as does tribalism. Now everyone only cares about themselves and their social group. These divisions will only get worse until the Brown shirts start marching again (e.g., the rise of fascism).
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
Yes this is it.
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
I think the reform party will initiate the "coming together" but on a temporary reason
@everythingispolitics6526
@everythingispolitics6526 Ай бұрын
Brilliant comment.. Unfortunately, political education is largely nonexistent on the continent of Africa (resulting in the shippment of historical ignoramus ppl), and in the UK at large, including amongst Caribbean ppl. This is recipe for disaster.. The gov and large corps know what they're doing opening the flood gate of immigration from all around to world, to a nation with increasingly limited resources for working people. This will eventually backfire against people of colour as we're already seeing across the rest of Europe.
@anubis8918
@anubis8918 Ай бұрын
My answer would be no. We're a small % of the population and we're too spread out around the country. Then you throw the different religions into the mix which separates us even more.
@D1Snr
@D1Snr Ай бұрын
True
@giovanniporter649
@giovanniporter649 Ай бұрын
I Disagree, if you want me to elaborate why then I can explain why there is a black community in Britain.
@anubis8918
@anubis8918 Ай бұрын
@@giovanniporter649 please elaborate
@Rio-uv1gs
@Rio-uv1gs Ай бұрын
The Caribbean community is what laid the foundation for Black Britain
@steve-xx6or
@steve-xx6or Ай бұрын
What is black Britain?
@steve-xx6or
@steve-xx6or Ай бұрын
@@Rio-uv1gs Today in 1833 the British people gave 40% of their annual budget to stop slavery. While in a Africa today slavery is thriving
@Rio-uv1gs
@Rio-uv1gs Ай бұрын
@@steve-xx6or means nothing.
@steve-xx6or
@steve-xx6or Ай бұрын
@@Rio-uv1gs The Jimmy saville freaks i.e. the masons ect are playing with the communities and making you hate the native population
@Catherine-mc8ql
@Catherine-mc8ql Ай бұрын
This and will not be black Britain. Civilized people find the aeration of people by the colour of their skin to be repugnant! In the same way was apartheid and the Nazi d termination of Jews. Your CRT is genocidal and unwelcome. FO
@freedomm
@freedomm 27 күн бұрын
A big part of the reason why there will never be a cohesive Black British community is that "outsiders" are allowed into what should be primarily black spaces. Reading through these comments I see plenty of white people inserting themselves into the conversation suggesting that race is unimportant and that it's better to be British first, never mind the old "divide and conquer" move of pointing out that black people from different places have very little in common. That's not for them to declare.
@benraje7866
@benraje7866 Ай бұрын
You can't have a community based on colour.
@anthonymcken6050
@anthonymcken6050 Ай бұрын
exactly.
@clivemunemo1155
@clivemunemo1155 Ай бұрын
@@benraje7866 exactly people should have communities based on values and beliefs. Basing communities on colour is shallow.
@wick7201
@wick7201 Ай бұрын
⁠@@clivemunemo1155It’s not shallow if it naturally occurred as so, It’s a mix of tribalism and nationality people tend to stick to their community because of their familiarity. Especially in the 40-60s where their was a lot of push back on the Caribbean community and immigrants as a whole. It’s a privilege in its self to not see race really.
@dirtyairpodspodcast
@dirtyairpodspodcast Ай бұрын
@@benraje7866 right? Like skin colour equates to culture and values. We need to leave "blackness" behind
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
I agree.
@markbright662
@markbright662 Ай бұрын
Growing up with an African name in the 90s early 00s the only people in a multi ethnic school who ever took the p of our names or culture were kids of Caribbean culture. They also took the micky out of our work ethic and called us nerds. Sadly but predictably nearly all of them got left behind whilst the rest of us moved forward and succeeded in life. There’s an intrinsic self loathing in black Caribbean culture that rewards low standards and foolishness and is offended by basically anything to do with black power and positivity. Not by accident - it’s imperial conditioning
@patriotfire882
@patriotfire882 Ай бұрын
So it’s white peoples fault they have no drive and initiative.
@HT-vx7ux
@HT-vx7ux Ай бұрын
I am from the Caribbean one of the so called small islands, and I am pleased to say our family never took part in that foolishness of making fun of Africans! I also agree that some Caribbeans reward low standards which is crazy!! If you achieve it’s the usual “you think you are better than us” and then they distance themselves from you and then you find you and yours being a community within a community and that creates the segregation when it should really be “well done”, “good on you for having a business, etc”. Until that happens, things will stay as they are unfortunately.
@Mr.x.187
@Mr.x.187 Ай бұрын
I'm half Jamaican half Zambian born 1986 from East London. From my school days I remember there being a definate divide between black Caribbean and black African. I could play both sides :D From what I saw back then, being African was seen more of an insult, and if you was from the Carribean especially Jamaica, it was more celebrated. Once white people started tuning into Jamaican pop culture people from the Carribean where more socially accepted. The slang, style of dress, the food especially the MUSIC. You would see white people with dreads and start making music bands. I would agree with most of the comments here there is more sub cultures that stick within themselves. There was definitely a lot of banter between the two sides but it wasn't like an all out war or anything, think of it more friendly football banter from two opposing teams which really should be on the same side. I checked out mentally from England around 2004, and then left finally in 2016 so I would say I am detached from everything. Not sure how much has changed? Good video! Subscribed.
@user-pn3kw6ft1z
@user-pn3kw6ft1z 25 күн бұрын
That is interesting. I vividly recall a documentary that touched upon some of what you are talking about. It showed how white working class British at one time embraced full on the style, dress, mannerisms and music (Ska/ Reggae) of Jamaican immigrants. I guess it gave Jamaicans a kind of social clout, as they were seen as cool and emulated by a lot of white youth. Now, what you are describing about the relations between Caribbeans and Africans in the U.K., sounds remarkably similar to what we see here in Canada. There is tension and you see quite a bit of beef and xenophobic rhetoric and sentiments on both sides. In schools most of the Caribbeans are admixed European or Asian, and quite often lighter skinned than a lot of Africans. So, sometimes African cans be the recipients of relentless bullying if they are really dark skinned in Canadian schools. Ugandans and South Sudanese catch it, for real. On the flip side you also see Africans with some sort of superiority mindset towards Caribbeans. Who they sometimes see as "lazy" or "criminal". From what I have seen these unfortunate things & stereotyping happens wherever black people from different ethnic groups and cultures, are thrust into the same areas & environments. The good news is that it gets better with the second generations. Not saying it's all out war, but it;s a rocky road sometimes.
@ProfessorOFanthropology979
@ProfessorOFanthropology979 Ай бұрын
I think there are undeniable bonds and cultural similarities between black British communities but I don’t think lumping us all into one works because we’ve got vastly different experiences and perceptions on things, but I can recognise the basic similarities we share, and tbh things have changed, whereas in the old days people had to stick together and there was a lot of racism and whatnot, I think there was a lot more camaraderie back then, now everyone’s splitting up and identifying with different things.
@pentz1
@pentz1 Ай бұрын
You forget that immigration being allowed into the country was DELIBRATELY curtailed for whatever reason, so the caribbean population in the Uk reduced. The issue now appears to be Gen Z UK africans APPEAR to not be as welcoming as the cariibeans had previously been. I wonder if that is the root of the problems we hear happening now between African americans and black immigrants into the US?
@jonesroberts3640
@jonesroberts3640 29 күн бұрын
Why are so many white in the UK race mixing with blacks for .
@Applesonthelawn
@Applesonthelawn Ай бұрын
Super interesting video. I don’t think there is a cohesive Black British community. I think people identify as Black African or Caribbean but from specific countries. I am Somali, and my family came here in 1989. I grew up in North London, where all my childhood friends were Caribbean. I remember their parents and grandparents always calling me “coolie,” no matter how many times I told them I was Black African! I personally never felt like I was considered part of the Black community there. I always felt too different, if that makes sense. When I was around 13 or 14, I suddenly felt a strong yearning to connect with other Somalis. It felt like a piece of me was missing. I loved speaking my mother tongue and having friends who understood the nuances of my culture, food, banter, music, and our love of proverbs. I personally feel Somali and African. I don’t necessarily feel British, but I think that is because of the circumstances under which my family came here. As you mentioned in the video, we didn’t choose to leave home but were forced to flee for safety. I believe this is also the reason why we are generally very insular as a community. The positives of that are we have a strong sense of community. I am happy to drive an hour to the other side of London to ensure I buy from a Somali business.
@Christine-hr8in
@Christine-hr8in Ай бұрын
Where as, everybody had access To the chilled out Caribbean community, the Africans brought their Seperatism with them. Back in the day, African parents would Denigrate Jamaicans and tell their kids to keep away for Any number of reasons. Back then Every Caribbean Black was a "Jamaican". Another world.
@WJ1043
@WJ1043 Ай бұрын
I agree. The Caribbean community accepts everyone, within reason. I wonder if that’s true for other communities.
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw Ай бұрын
Well said Africans don't like Carribbeans.
@Wayne-fn1sw
@Wayne-fn1sw Ай бұрын
​@@WJ1043other races don't mix or accept communities. African and Carribbean communities are not even United no care .
@tevbuff
@tevbuff Ай бұрын
@Christine-hr8in, I agree that some Africans look down on our Caribbean brothers and sisters. However, I think this sentiment is reciprocated within the Caribbean community as well. As an African who has mingled with Caribbean folks throughout my life, I have observed that they also sometimes look down on and make fun of Africans. This is disappointing.
@Yh-vi2sv
@Yh-vi2sv Ай бұрын
No. There are literally news articles tracing back decades of Caribbean youth attacks on Africans. The words “boubou”, “African booty scratcher” and others it was you guys.
@cassa7865
@cassa7865 Ай бұрын
Very interesting conversation. I'm a 70's baby & grew up in a community that was rich with culture from Jamaica, Nigeria, ghana, etc.. I agree with you in relation to the lack of togetherness. Your last statement when you mention that people used to hail each other up in hackney & leyton, I'm originally from tottenham so I know what your saying, however we live in a different time, so much has changed. A lot of these new immigrants have been through a lot back home & over here. What once has now become, what was & with the way how society is people are much more aggressive & not trusting, so I think people just keep to themselves unfortunately. I would love to see our people be together as 1, there is so much division.
@ladydivine8615
@ladydivine8615 10 күн бұрын
Yes I am a female black British born in the 60s .I have been reflecting on life as a child and growing up in England. Having grown up in mainly white communities I can honestly say I suffered very little racism .The white English people that we met became genuine friends. There was more togetherness and many interracial relationships. All of my nieces and nephews are mixed race. However so many nationalities with different religion and cultures has brought new problems. I was asking myself the other day what happened to the integration .Our parents came from commonwealth nations so I think that makes a difference because we were ruled by the British at the time. We accepted British values and culture but maintained our own identity as black people. Even reggae music became mainstream. People like Bob Marley brought s much positivity but at the same time highlighting the struggles of the black man. There is too much hate and division in these times even amongst our own black people. I believe the older generation should encourage the younger ones to build communities in remembrance of their legacy and history which needs to be upheld for future generations to come. We need to bring back the love .
@kelliehu8749
@kelliehu8749 Ай бұрын
There is a Black British community, that new immigrants choose not to be part of it doesn't negate it's existence. It would be like saying there's no such thing as Black British culture.
@jamesdeen3079
@jamesdeen3079 Ай бұрын
Good points you discussed Ely. I don’t think there is a Black British Community. I think we all group ourselves by the colour of melanin in our skin, but apart from that we have no other lasting ties. I think there may be fragmented communities of Somalians, Caribbeans, Igbo, Yoruba, etc all over the UK, but very fragmented and small in numbers. The term black, in a community building sense can unify us, but seldomly keeps unification together. Our histories, religions and outlooks on life foster too many differences. I think we can only create a black British community if we are united with common goals and aspirations we wish to achieve together like financial or economic freedom. An outlook that we wish to collectively share and work towards over time, decades perhaps until the mission is complete. We need strong reasons for us to sit down together, on a county or national level and work together. We need our equivalent of the Berlin Conference or something along those line. That will never happen, but it’s good to have aspirations.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@jamesdeen3079 Very good points James.
@netkilrblx
@netkilrblx Ай бұрын
They are united in hating eachother
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
Yep especially black girls wjo are pretty we get hated on soo much by other black girls its scary
@user-bs5qr5ie4s
@user-bs5qr5ie4s Ай бұрын
​@Jennyxx-ie5jw why do other black girls hate on you
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
@@user-bs5qr5ie4s because im pretty. And its not all black girls. Seems to always be one type that have am issue with me
@gloverdragon6854
@gloverdragon6854 Ай бұрын
@@user-bs5qr5ie4s she’s not aware of how narcissistic she comes across. She routinely calls herself attractive and claims she was bullied for it, as if we can see her. Not saying what she says she experienced is a lie, however, her portrayal comes across as narcissistic and distasteful.
@HT-vx7ux
@HT-vx7ux Ай бұрын
@@Jennyxx-ie5jwwhat “type” are you referring to?
@smj6710
@smj6710 24 күн бұрын
I think Black British Community as a term is a bit of a misnomer. Reflecting you early experience of being here, then the Black community was the Caribbean community. Caribbeans are dying out and their aspiration to integrate, along with state oppression, has impacted terribly on this community and it's British-born descendants, whom are fractured.
@Malichiayah
@Malichiayah Ай бұрын
A great topic, I have so much to say about this. However, I will highlight the most impactful… We no longer have a common understanding of who our enemy is. Hear me out… We have always been a diverse people who united in times past by enduring shared struggles and understanding who our enemy is and the need to unify. Now… a few masters degrees and job promotions later, we are integrated so deeply into western society, or with the ‘enemy’ that our community has affectively dissolved into nothing. We have fallen foul to trusting in the so called ‘western democracy’ and ‘law and order’, and lulled into a false sense of security, to a point where we don’t think we need each other. First step to unifying, is actually recognising that we have ‘enemies’ who continue to systematically plot against us… …we need to recognise that are all we got… …lastly, and I know many with struggle with this… but we need to hear this. The moment they have the chance to slap yokes of iron around our neck again, they will jump at the chance. Unfortunately, many of us won’t even conceive that because of positive performance review at work. We have settled for crumbs and the bliss of ignorance, which is propelled by White Jesus and the Christian Church. It’s a shame, but true.
@felixchicken8848
@felixchicken8848 Ай бұрын
Facts! I'm telling you, people think it's a game. The Black man is still being systematically destroyed through feminism, a tainted image portrayed through the media and just straight up discrimination. We don't even look happy when we go out just uptight and tryna out dress each other while white people can act like hooligans (which you'll probably see on Sunday with the football) yet it does nothing to their image. The only escape we can see is assimilation like you mentioned (get a degree and pursue a stable career) but we need to have our own industries that we can feed into. That's the problem. A few black businesses here and there isn't enough.
@BaleraBravvo
@BaleraBravvo Ай бұрын
It's a very complex subject and the answer can vary based on geography, context, generation and class. I would start by saying there isn't a cohesive black community in the UK because the concept of blackness wasn't conceived by so called black people in the first place. Said that, the black community does not exist in the UK but the concept of blackness does. And it is explored, accepted and shared in many different ways. Once so called black people will take ownership of their social structures, then this conversation can seriously start. For now I see individualism, contradictions and the so-called British dream; yet also longing for something more otherwise most of us wouldn't be here under your video.
@simpsond7862
@simpsond7862 Ай бұрын
The black children of today think English. They are mainly living a life style. There was a lot of black business but we gave up under pressure or sold out to the east Asia. Some time it looks like everyone like the Nigerian and east Asians have just pushed us Caribbean aside because the kids don't fancy it. They just want a nice car a nice phone not even worried about buying a property.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
that's a lie, you push yourselves to the side how many black caribbeans kids are there today?
@simpsond7862
@simpsond7862 Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 I lived here for 50 years I had two small business and I have seen what the Asians do plus they have access to more money and they keep the success in their community plus they don't employ black and they don't want you to learn any business they are involved in. This happened all the way to the Caribbean.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
@@simpsond7862 yes but black caribbean community there is no more because all of you guys have dated, most caribbeans today are mixed race.
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 That's not a lie. What are you talking about?
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
@@simpsond7862 And they don't employ Whites either to a certain extent. But yes, I do see your point.
@lariyo9122
@lariyo9122 Ай бұрын
As someone of Nigerian heritage, I have always appreciated the struggles of the children of the windrush generation as it made life easier for me as a black person. Unlike you, i never there was a black community, just a Caribbean one. I watched cricket and listened to listened to lovers rock just to hang out with other black people. As the population of Nigerians and Ghanaian around me grew, I didn't have to anymore. I still love Aki and Salt fish though.
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
It's crazy cuz im African and never seemed to get on with Nigerians and Ghanaians. Got on better with Caribbeans. Our experiences are so different
@lariyo9122
@lariyo9122 Ай бұрын
@Jennyxx-ie5jw I should clarify that I got on well with everybody and I love my Caribbean friends. I had a thing for St Lucian women and always thought I will end up marrying one. My move away from my Caribbean friends happened slowly and was not planned. I am into Oil and Gas and a bit of Data Science and most of the other black people I knew in that sector were mainly Nigerian and Angolan. Inevitably, i was always reaching out to them for advice and spending more time there.
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
@@lariyo9122 also im just curious why do Nigerian men in the uk always prefer women of other ethnicities and races other than Nigerian. Obviously not all most do go for other nigerians but i have seen many go for east african girls, whites and caribbeans
@user-dv3kq3rm4h
@user-dv3kq3rm4h Ай бұрын
@@lariyo9122 Haha! I wonder if you were based in East London at some point? Huge St Lucian community over there!
@lariyo9122
@lariyo9122 Ай бұрын
@Jennyxx-ie5jw I think your statement on preference is an incorrect over-generalisation, becos whenever I go to Nigerian parties with 200 to 300 people, I'm the only one with a non-Nigerian wife. Things might have been different if my younger self could pull the Nigerian girls that I liked. I dont go to church so i don't get to meet many girls and the many of the girls at my uni were rich middle class kids that couldn't put up with me moaning about the price of Starbucks coffee. My situation is diff now but back then I was desperately poor.
@user-om2fg7yh6s
@user-om2fg7yh6s Ай бұрын
I think there’s another layer to this discussion that could have been touched on - I feel there’s more of a black British community among black people that are British born and grew up here. While people are still connected to their African or Caribbean routes through grandparents or parents there’s still a more cohesive culture and community among this group in my opinion, particularly the younger generation.
@cegb551
@cegb551 Ай бұрын
When we have an enemy, we come together. When we get comfortable, our unity falls apart. Sad really.
@IntrovertMaxxing
@IntrovertMaxxing Ай бұрын
Come together when?
@RileyFreeman_
@RileyFreeman_ Ай бұрын
I’d definitely say yes when i was younger but unfortunately it fizzles out as I’m getting older and I think that’s the same for most people
@YardyBritishfamily
@YardyBritishfamily Ай бұрын
I would like to know , so far the black people I know they don't look out for each other .
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
unless it's after club setting, spotting your uber for you
@marthasheilds2446
@marthasheilds2446 Ай бұрын
Black people are quick to use each other than unite .
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 Haha! A very specific example!
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
@@elywananda I have experience it so lol I am talking with heavy experience
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
@@thec5875 Oh my days 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you are right you know
@johnd8538
@johnd8538 Ай бұрын
Jamaicans inparticular nearly bred out the white working class innercities in the 80s and 90s lol I'm a white man with a mixed race daughter and granddaughter. They hardly ever played a role in their kids lives, let alone paid a penny towards their upkeep. What they despised, and they had a lot of reason to back in the day, they left half black fatherless British kids despising them just as much.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
They are still doing it, when you go out in London or other big cities young and middle age white women are carrying little Jayden's and Talisha's around.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
I wonder how the white working class felt back then and how they feel now, how is it and I agree with everything you said.
@johnd8538
@johnd8538 Ай бұрын
Tbh they were disgusted, the young white girls got took in by the music, culture and a different way of life then got abandoned. The grandparents had no choice but to swallow their pride and take the kids on as their own.
@davidatkinson5858
@davidatkinson5858 Ай бұрын
Easily to do with the scatter shot breeding tactic practices and the financial subsidies of the taxpaying public to support the endless streams of fatherless offspring that would usually starve to death in their natural environmental conditions
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
@@ZuliailuZ183 in fact it was the children on the Windrush who actually made a lot young Africans at that time join gangs..
@davidmatthews6344
@davidmatthews6344 Ай бұрын
In the beginning there was a black community. We had a lot in common to nourish that community but now there is to much division so little that connects us as a strong whole. We have been divided in such away that the divisors look like us with gang culture up to toxic levels we have never experienced before among ourselves. Now we don't trust each other. So we have seemingly been conquered by the hidden instigators but if we actively breakdown some of these divisions we can put the community back together again.
@rogerdoger3347
@rogerdoger3347 Ай бұрын
Younger generations blacks in the UK are obsessed with validation and wanting to be like and obsessed with race mixing with whites.
@MGOODSSSS
@MGOODSSSS Ай бұрын
When we Somalis first came into England we assumed that our black brothers would welcome us....instead they looked down on us and looked up to white people...this hurt our African pride and our disappointment in the lack of welcoming arms has hurt them now...once a refugee with no English language we adapted and instead of connecting on colour those we shared religion instead reached out and build bridges...these are the bangladeshis, pakistanis, afghanistanis, morrocans, turkish etc...the lesson we were taught was that real connection transcends appearance and cultural and religious similarities were more sincere. We thrived ever since...we learned English and build businesses....we own property and we stumbled into middle class and we even make music now and we have gained the respect of the white population not by looking up to them in some need to be accepted but by standing proudly as Africans we forgive those who treated us poorly and we lift up other black people and as a result many black Christians have converted to Islam. Our black brothers used to call us big heads...lets not pretend like that didnt happen and crusty lips...instead of passing us the Vaseline they made us punchline jokes....We didnt call our kids Mike, John and Tom to try and fit like many African and Caribbean countries did...we kept our native names and now our strong community is proof that we didn't falter and they regret not standing shoulder to shoulder with a community that would have been an asset....and still we forgive them not because they are black like us but because we are Muslims.
@MGOODSSSS
@MGOODSSSS Ай бұрын
The other side of the coin is.....that we didn't exactly make it easy for the black community to connect with us...First wave of Somalis...did not speak English..you could argue that was the most vital skill which was needed and the black community which was already present did....that language barrier created a foreigner perspective...if we came already speaking English the first bridge could have been created instead the kids of the first wave broke that barrier...the real somali/english conversation/experience then started and the difficulties I previously mentioned did occur but we were able to overcome ...our parents didnt have that in their locker....The kids didnt get a chance to be kids and started of as translators...bridges of communication...this became a skill which served us well when meeting other communities who had language issues...we were able to relate with our own difficulties and a bonding process occured....A lack of intelligence is assumed when english isnt up to par...a stereotype we overcame together with other communities....
@joey-pn3xe
@joey-pn3xe Ай бұрын
Interesting perspectives. I grew up near a large Somali area and always wondered if people could separate the actual Somali culture from the Arabian religion or has it merged and become one? The Somali’s seem to have a strong community but that’s probably down to coming from war and instability etc which always makes people stick together.
@rewghob
@rewghob Ай бұрын
Caribbeans are descendants of slaves, what names would you expect us to have? We have no connection to Africa due to slavery. As for Somalis, it's true some were rude to Somalis and treated you unkindly. I don't think black Caribbeans looked up to white people, we stuck to our own island cultures. You won't really see too many Jamaicans with Bajans, Kittitians or Trinidadians etc either. What I noticed about Somalis is that as you say, you bond over religion and from my perspective, look up to the Asian man due to religion and culture.
@anthonymcken6050
@anthonymcken6050 Ай бұрын
your muslims who see yourselves as Arabs.
@anthonymcken6050
@anthonymcken6050 Ай бұрын
​@@rewghobThey are Muslims first plain and simple.
@KitchenPiece
@KitchenPiece Ай бұрын
Fantastic video you were eloquent, and senstive wirh your approach which is what i really appreciated
@KeilahsKey
@KeilahsKey Ай бұрын
Hello Eli this is former Detroitreggae it's nice to see that you are still here posting after all this time
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Hey fam! Nice to hear from you :-)
@kurtissitruk169
@kurtissitruk169 Ай бұрын
No, and here's my hypothesis on why: 1 - We don't have a united Black upper class to aspire to join. Look at any successful Black British athlete and see where they live. It's among non-Blacks. Compare that to the United States, where you have whole upper-class Black neighbourhoods. 2 - African-Americans share a united history to be proud of. The descendants of slaves from whom the country was built upon, who eventually fought for their freedoms and influenced American culture in no small way, rising little by little all the way to the White House. What's the common descent of most Black Brits? Former colonies of the empire. Nothing worth uniting over!
@kreativeforce532
@kreativeforce532 Ай бұрын
1. those neighborhoods are few and far between, while being small in population and they are not growing every generation. You know what that means. 2. 😂😂😂 that is everything worth uniting over. AAs are nothing but colonial subjects from many African ethnic groups merged into one group too (after being trafficked into the carribean!). Only with Black brits the merger is not by force but it can be by choice! There's power in that.
@kreativeforce532
@kreativeforce532 Ай бұрын
The whole african world has a shrinking upper class because power is not vested in our upper class / traditional rulers as it should be. It's in the white race and their power is in their business class. They just pretend their national rulers hold it. And they're having their own internal conflict over that (they have been since the first human trafficker of Africans became wealthier than the spanish royals!) So the solution is simple and it definitely is not going to come from AAs. America itself has no obvious ties to tradition/royalty from which they could see the whole problem in order to solve it. They wouldn't like the solution either so that holds them back from seeing it as an option. Black brits however do not have those hang ups. It's your time to shine ;)
@inongezulu5859
@inongezulu5859 Ай бұрын
Less than 4% of teachers in the whole of England are black, there’s already negative stereotypes of blk and blk carribean ppl. Kids from our communities are more likely to be excluded/ expelled than any other group. A lot of the wind rush generation were deported “by accident”. There isn’t a lot of black upper class for them to do that, but most got in those places by denouncing their proximity to blkness. They would be cancelled if they spoke about race to be honest. Also a lot of them move to America. (Especially the celebrities) The community has to be built from the bottom up, the ones who reach the top have to know that their community has their backs so they can use their platform to advocate. We know how brutal and dedicated the media can be when they find their target. (The b media also influences how ppl are treated by the masses)
@AJ-nd4nk
@AJ-nd4nk Ай бұрын
The slaves didn't build America. Plus, America is a by-product of Europe.
@jacklyneverage3881
@jacklyneverage3881 Ай бұрын
​@@kreativeforce532Black American descendant of slaves here. Jealous much?😂😂😂The fact is we have those neighborhoods and none of you in the UK don't. Ok. In fact, it's more of those neighborhoods than you care to recognize or know. And we live all over the USA in rural America, small town America, small cities, mid cities, and big cities of the USA. Also, we have our associations, clubs, and orders catered to the Black middle and upper class. Also, many of us have ancestors that came directly to Africa to here with no stop in the Caribbean and those Africans brought from the Caribbean to here weren't in the Caribbean long enough to have a solid Caribbean identity. Next, we aren't just African. We are African, European, and Indigenous creating and forging our own lineage, identity, and culture. To think people remain only African after being here for close to 500 years is absurd. Regardless of whether it was forced or not, we still have one unified identity and it's this identity your people copy and emulate. You look towards us for many things and can't keep us out of your mouths. Also, we are not colonial subjects. We actually live in the nation that we built from scratch. We help to create American culture. We also contributed to the technological advancement of the USA and the Western world. We also are the pillar and face of human and civil rights around the world. We are citizens. Full citizens that we didn't have to pledge allegiance to in order to be a full citizen. Can't say that for your parents in Britain, now can you? 😂😂😂Get that bitterness out of your heart.
@Aaronxldn
@Aaronxldn Ай бұрын
Not definitely yes although I think it’s becoming more established.Progressing throughout our time there will be more black people with a hybrid of cultures adopting to British ways of life, meaning that there will be more of a sense of belonging and unification. I’m starting to see some elements of this among the younger generations with the creative spaces.
@Aaronxldn
@Aaronxldn Ай бұрын
@PatriciaTA-8824True British culture is dying but I think there are still some elements of it that will still remain fundamentally core and responsible for how we think and act. Yes creative spaces as in events like dlt and recessland a long with music too, since there a lot of fusion of afrobeats and dancehall with in the scene now.Even our language is becoming an immersion of West Indian/African words.I guess maybe on a superficial level right now there seems to be growing unity, but not that much when you go past it.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
Nah i disagree, these creative spaces is just to stand at the back, stare at people, gossip, eat jollof & jerk chicken on one plate, listen to dj rewind the same tune from the beginning and that's about it. No community, don't let these events fool you because we all go our separate ways after.
@oneilmarston698
@oneilmarston698 Ай бұрын
​@thec5875 all facts they think podcasts is da way out for da BLK community in uk 😮😮
@DemonofChaos264
@DemonofChaos264 Ай бұрын
Not black myself so probably won't understand the community feel. I'm really close mates with a Cameroonian-Brit in the 90s, grew up together and I consider him a friend for life. Maybe it was just because Shrewsbury is pretty small but I never saw him nor his family seek out the wider black community that exists(ed?) in Wolverhampton. They mostly bonded with people at Church and in the neighbourhood. He married a Nigerian-Brit in 2017 he met at Uni. Only places I've seen what I'd describe as a Black Community is London and Wolverhampton. Might be elsewhere as well but i don't think its really sought after anymore.
@Test-bd6rq
@Test-bd6rq Ай бұрын
The assertion that refugees are not educated people is misguided. Refugees flee their countries due to war and persecution, often arriving with little to no possessions and lacking the financial resources to pursue higher education. This contrasts with individuals from stable countries who have the means and opportunities to attend university. The Somali community, for instance, has made significant strides in education since resettling. Prior to the war, many Somalis were well-educated and thriving, with some even studying abroad. Using a single example to undermine a community is unfair and overlooks the broader context of displacement and its challenges. Moreover, it’s worth questioning why so many educated Africans feel compelled to relocate to other countries, often ending up in low-income areas despite their qualifications. Many West Africans, despite being educated, have had to take on jobs like cleaning and caregiving. It's also important to recognize that during the Somali conflict, individuals from other African nations exploited the situation, seeking asylum under the guise of being Somali, thereby inflating the refugee statistics. It's disappointing that in 2024, some still choose to single out Somalia, a nation ravaged by war, as an easy target for criticism. Similar attention should be given to refugees from other countries, such as Sudan or Ethiopia, who also faced turmoil and displacement This is why there is no strong black community! Always finding cheap shots! I rather stick to those are accepting regardless of their race!
@richardtbrown756
@richardtbrown756 Ай бұрын
Bernie Grant and Diana Abbott are from the Caribbean 🤔
@purevibe187
@purevibe187 Ай бұрын
Don't confuse descent with lived culture. At the same time I hear and respect someone like Diane Abbot, who has made strives for people like us showing her Jamaican fire and spirit; though I'm unsure if she can make fried dumplin and rice & peas...
@keepingitrealandtruthful.5081
@keepingitrealandtruthful.5081 Ай бұрын
Compared to what I saw amd what some of us saw in 60s,70s,80s and early 90s the answer is NO.
@hintquery-cp4tz
@hintquery-cp4tz Ай бұрын
@@ZuliailuZ183All facts it's disgusting
@deeperlife5689
@deeperlife5689 Ай бұрын
I think this is a great discussion, the idea that there is a single black community is part of the issue although I have friends who live in different parts of the U.K. some of the things that unites them with black people in their locality I know nothing about. Culture and community is more than being black. I have had numerous discussions with my parents generation on this topic and yes there was much more of a sense of community than there is now but society had changed beyond all recognition this is across the board. My white neighbour was talking about this only a few months ago. This is the case in the Caribbean and US and across Africa. I visited Ghana, Kenya, South Africa, Tanzania and those communities have changed too. My Mom will tell you she doesn’t recognise where she grew up in Jamaica in terms of community and Mom loves Jamaica to her heart. In the north of the U.K. where I live I will always recognise, say hi to any black person but especially elders. I saw a woman standing outside Tesco recently. I don’t know her but I felt to ask if she was OK she told me she was waiting for her family and thanked me. I would do that to anyone but I am more inclined when I see the person is black. Ultimately we are the ones who can do something to change things. We have the power to highlight the positives, to build on what our parents/ grandparents generation established.
@Mimi-zh7wc
@Mimi-zh7wc Ай бұрын
My parents were from the Caribbean a and The United States. I was born and bred in Oxford during the 60s. From the 1950s to the 1990s there was a strong Caribbean community but it is disappearing quickly. However, there is now a large number of African people living here.
@blackmac500
@blackmac500 Ай бұрын
Most East Africans don’t consider themselves African much less black
@relaxedbro
@relaxedbro Ай бұрын
👍🏿👍🏿 Thank you for the introduction to Jean Adebambo.
@dario5178
@dario5178 Ай бұрын
Interesting. I have a Nigerian friend who went to a Black community group at uni (in the UK) but afterwards he said he didn't really feel it was for him. Africa alone is so diverse, I once heard Nigeria has as many languages as all of Europe.
@Jennyxx-ie5jw
@Jennyxx-ie5jw Ай бұрын
Exactly. Im african and never seemed to get on with other blks especially Africans specifcally from Nigeria and Ghana. We are too diverse and get treated differently based on our beauty and skin tones and looks
@alexgeorge1028
@alexgeorge1028 Ай бұрын
Good video. Maybe another video about the lack of black students in UK universities?
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
Got some content around universities in the pipeline!
@KallusGarnet
@KallusGarnet Ай бұрын
My belief is white universities make black people worse especially in the UK. The UK needs all black universities like they have in the USA.
@reginaldamoah8608
@reginaldamoah8608 Ай бұрын
I think we are still forming a community. I think it will come from the young people. African Americans are more established and have institutions and a middle class Black people who can support these NAACP type bodies that can support the Black community in the US. This and future generations will create these bodies and they will do it for all Black people not just those of their same heritage. Ie Stormzy isn't sending only Ghanaians to Cambridge uni. Also as we learn more about our shared experience and connections we will become more unified.
@macdutte
@macdutte Ай бұрын
The black community has gone. Not sure why but it has!!!
@jmbna2229
@jmbna2229 Ай бұрын
Interesting video, id definitley say that theres definitely a divide between the african and Caribbean communities. You can see this in churches especially.
@jeffreydurrant4838
@jeffreydurrant4838 Ай бұрын
This is such an important question. I grew up in the 60's and my experience is that the unity that we are forced to gravitate towards "Black unity" is a double edge sword. In the first instance my parents arrived as Vincentians only becoming simply Black in the UK. The negative experience of being given a descriptor that has a value and meaning that was used to apply negative value could not be ignored. This has a consequence that we are then aligned by the experience of being subjected to discrimination on the optic grounds that melanin is foreign and equals less than. Oppression on these grounds does not a people make however the experience is nearly universal for all us ethnic Africans. I choose to relate to our common experience to overcome the crass oppression we continue to endure whilst marvelling at the Africa diaspora's diverse peoples, cultures and our dominance within Western cultures who need, take and use everything we bring yet continue to diminish who and what we are. Black unity is born out of protest and I hope in the future becomes less necessary than it has been required in the past just like the fantasy of race this needs to relegated to an unenlighted past✨🙏🏿
@joealdred5615
@joealdred5615 Ай бұрын
I’d be inclined to swap your ‘not really’ to we need to reconstruct, reorganise so we can say ‘yes’. There is little to nothing to be gained by the 3-5% identified as Black African/Caribbean in the U.K. fragmenting further in the face of an 80% white and 10% Asian blocks. Politics is largely about numbers and we need to construct and maximise a block that holds together as Black British ie people of ‘African Heritage’. Together we’re strong. Apart we’re canon fodder for greater and stronger social, economic and political ethnic currents that make up the diverse U.K. we live in. Me thinks.
@elywananda
@elywananda Ай бұрын
@@joealdred5615 To be fair, those Asian blocks are far from united. Pakistanis and Indians being the prime example. And even Bangladeshis and Pakistanis probably don't really work together despite sharing the same religion.
@joealdred5615
@joealdred5615 Ай бұрын
@@elywananda Agreed. What do we think though is the answer to ‘is there a British Asian community?’ I’d say with all its diversity the answer is still ‘yes’. I’m suggesting that notwithstanding the diversity of the U.K. Black Community there is still one. And it’s in our interest to work for economies of scale to our benefit. Yes? Maybe?
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
@@elywananda That's true....I've noticed that!
@riyadougla539
@riyadougla539 Ай бұрын
​@@elywananda I'm Bangladeshi, and we're a minority within a minority. Other asians don't know and don't care about us.
@oneilmarston698
@oneilmarston698 Ай бұрын
​@riyadougla53what is Asian not Indian or South Asian UK Pakistan Bangladesh 🇧🇩
@sahulianhooligan7046
@sahulianhooligan7046 Ай бұрын
There are two kinds of African diasporan communities in the world. Historical Diasporans and Recent Diasporans. The historical diaspornas are African descended people who have lived in non-African lands for centuries and formed unique ethnic communitty over time: FBA's, Gullah Geeches and Luisianna Creoles of USA, Garifunas of Central America, Sri Lankan Kaffirs, Siddis of India/Pakistan, Afro Brazilians, Afro Persians etc. Recent Diasporans are people who either migrated from or descended from immigrants that came from modern African nations post WW2 into Europe or US. Their identity shaped by the culture of their parents/grandparents. In context of black British unity. It's based on a template of black American unity but doesn't work in practice Due to the diversity and differences between the Recent diasporans communities in UK
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
I know of the Garifuna - especially in Belize (formerly British Honduras) in Central America. Belize is decidedly a Caribbean nation as it associates more closely to the English speaking West Indies. I do like Punta Music! There are some Garifuna in the Republic of Honduras as well!
@vre7474
@vre7474 Ай бұрын
NO ,I identify with my country of origin.Then African .
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
Me two
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
🇸🇱 🇳🇬
@Timeless_Ascension
@Timeless_Ascension Ай бұрын
Which roughly translates as: No, I identify with the territory defined by Caucasians, without the fore knowledge nor consent of my ancestors, thereby summarily disregarding and overriding preexisting governances and lifestyles of the then people of those lands. Then as an African - a term crafted out of sheer audacity by yet another Caucasian "explorer". Kindly note that isn't an attack on you whatsoever, but rather a brash attempt to inspire an alternative mindset that'll better serve us as an eumelanated collective.
@TickleMeChelmno
@TickleMeChelmno Ай бұрын
@Timeless_Ascension Caucasians didn’t drag you to London. You all threw your kids on a raft to escape your own people.
@thec5875
@thec5875 Ай бұрын
@@Timeless_Ascension we don't have serve one another, i owe you nothing as a black person. I am Yoruba first.
@folukeblackett8116
@folukeblackett8116 Ай бұрын
It's a shame our sense of community is not as strong. I was born in England to Caribbean parents but I consider the first layer of my identity as an African. Being black, we are descendants of Africans before we were Caribbean or English.
@davidatkinson5858
@davidatkinson5858 Ай бұрын
But you don't see the hypocrisy in that statement eh 👍
@folukeblackett8116
@folukeblackett8116 Ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@davidatkinson5858no pls enlighten me. Interested to hear why you think that’s hypocritical
@davidatkinson5858
@davidatkinson5858 Ай бұрын
@@folukeblackett8116 because you'd be all up in your feelings beating your collective communal chests with aggrieved righteous moral outrage at the "blatantly obvious open display of casual racist attitudes and hierarchical bigotry"😱 if that same rhetoric was applied to it's logical conclusion in reverse...E.g.hypocritical
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
I think being in the UKGB in the 1970s - actually born there, to West Indian parents, I would consider myself English first and then Caribbean in background and of course realizing my ancestors were from Africa during to my skin colour (phenotype). But for me, I wouldn't consider that my first layer of my identity as an African. If those scenarios were true of me - me being born in the British Isles, to Caribbean parents, I'd see myself as English (especially with the English accent, and probably enjoying bangers and mash, French Fries (Chips), footie (football), UNLESS, I had so many horrid experiences from other ethnicities - like Whites, that I'd want to not be English / British.
@davidatkinson5858
@davidatkinson5858 Ай бұрын
@@folukeblackett8116 because you'd be all up in your own oppression larping victimhood fetish narrative cultural karen routine feelings beating your collective communal chests with aggrieved righteous moral outrage if you're own hierarchical rhetoric about identity was applied in reverse
@borneternallordallah1472
@borneternallordallah1472 Ай бұрын
As black man in USA/United States I can't speak upon UK experience. I know here in the USA we use term black community as roots in some form of blackness (defined differently) and shared experience slavery, Jim Crow, basic foods, southern American roots, yet being a hybrid culture (for good or bad) and it sub grroups based on city state and regions or combinations. Like black people New York are different from New Orleans all they way black California, etc. Then there is a the question do black actually every hand a community. Maybe a needed discussion the internal colonialism theory. Peace
@yodacleghorne1098
@yodacleghorne1098 Ай бұрын
Agree with loads but there is a common misconception that we have only had blk communities since the windrush generation but that not true.Go Liverpool and you’ll see plenty of 5th,6th generation black peoples that have benn here since 1800s and very early1900s including myself.
@powderedtoastfacekillah734
@powderedtoastfacekillah734 Ай бұрын
I see the Black British people like I see white Americans White Americans don’t see themselves as a “community” because they’re a combination of people from different European countries But African Americans see kinship through the shared struggle from the days of slavery until now. They have a shared culture that they’ve cultivated for hundreds of years as a foundational group in America who’ve been here since before America even got its independence from Britain. Much longer than many white people have since many of them migrated to America later on In the UK Black people are a mixture of people with their own backstories. Caribbean people went through chattel slavery in their respective islands whereas Africans didn’t (as far as I know). And both groups arrived in the UK relatively recently In America there’s also a bit of a separation between African Americans and Black Caribbeans and Black Africans but maybe it might be more pronounced in the UK This video is very insightful. I was born in London and I’m the son of Caribbean parents who were amongst the Windrush generation… but we left in 81 and now live in NYC so I always assumed there was a Black community in the UK But now I understand things a little better. It’s a bit more complicated than I originally thought Cheers
@IeremiasMoore-El
@IeremiasMoore-El 19 күн бұрын
I'm from an FBA lineage that goes back before 1790 census, I don't have any criticism for your video just came to say i enjoyed watching and learning from our cousins across the atlantic.
@elywananda
@elywananda 19 күн бұрын
@@IeremiasMoore-El Thanks fam. Big respect to you guys over there 🙏🏿✊🏿🖤
@Adwoa_Agyei
@Adwoa_Agyei 10 күн бұрын
We are not cousins at all. What makes you think we're the same
@IeremiasMoore-El
@IeremiasMoore-El 10 күн бұрын
@@Adwoa_Agyei do you have dna?
@Adwoa_Agyei
@Adwoa_Agyei 10 күн бұрын
@@IeremiasMoore-El wdym. We have completely different cultures. You're an fba so you side with tariq nasheed. Plus you guys claim to be native indians. Fba is a hate group. You can't call us cousins when you're part of the hate group fba. And also we ain't family whatsoever
@jharewood6285
@jharewood6285 Ай бұрын
Keep them coming Ely
@Jownaz1
@Jownaz1 Ай бұрын
Why is that even a question??? You know the answer and the answer is NO!
@stephanie99x
@stephanie99x Ай бұрын
Facts I also said NO
@reginaldbotchaby5375
@reginaldbotchaby5375 Ай бұрын
It's a question because not everyone says the answer is NO! And thus begins the great divide....oops, I meant debate!
@LegitSarchie
@LegitSarchie Ай бұрын
Great video man. As a British Ugandan myself, who has been recently thinking about the wider black British community as a whole, I feel very fortunate to have stumbled across your channel ssebo 👊🏾 gonna go binge watch the rest of your videos right now
@markaxworthy2508
@markaxworthy2508 Ай бұрын
It looks as though the West Indian community may be observing something familiar to white Britons - succeeding arrivals of immigrants are not necessarily assimilating with communities already here, regardless of race, because there are other cultural and religious factors at play as well.
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