I interview Clinton Rubin, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor at State University of New York and discuss the potential health risks associated with a high intensity whole body vibration platform. Visit here to learn more: bit.ly/3UFnZop If you are considering using one of these platforms, you should look at this interview and pay special attention when Dr. Rubin discusses his research on the effects of high intensity whole body vibration on bones.

Boy this is important as I am trying to build bone density with no pharma. thank you Margaret

Why is your machine so expensive? Cost is the main factor that makes people choose cheaper devices that have harmful vibrations. Your manufacturing costs cannot be that much greater than those of less expensive devices.

I have never felt stronger than since I started using a plate. (I'm 60) My low back pain and neck pain is gone. My endurance is fantastic. My core is stronger than ever and can hold a plank for almost 2 full minutes. My legs are mega strong and my balance is superb (I paddleboard) I don't use it to the max and only 10 minutes a day doing squats and stretches. He's saying 'all or nothing' and scaring people away. Have him name the bad ones.

Thank you, looking forward to the rest of these podcasts regarding vibration. Really interesting!

Thank you. Excellent discussion and great detail on an important topic. Dr. Rubin does a great job walking us through the science behind whole body vibration and why we should be wary of many of the vibration plates out there.

Thank you for all this information about high intensity vibration machines. I dont see how sales people on QVC or HSN networks say that the machines they sell are good for you and not even mention how to use them properly and explain the health hazards that can happen when using them. I have seen a several low reviews on Amazon of people saying it made some part of my body hurt more or had to go to the hospital after using the machine. At the end of your video, it comes down to greedy marketing and not telling the whole truth like both of you do in this video. This is the first video that I now get the correct message on which vibration machines are good for myself, and it is surely not most of them on Amazon. Great discussion. take care.

So I appreciate the longform discussion, but without being told "these are the products that we know are safe and here's where you can buy them", what are we supposed to do with this information as far as a purchasing decision?

Thank you for everything you do Margaret Martin. You mentioned that Dr. Rubin will cover the LiV technology in more detail in another video, would you please provide a link or guidance to find Dr. Rubin's most efficient product? Thank you.

From my own research and reading before I purchased the Personal Power Plate, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges in this video discussion. Nor do I feel you understand how Whole Body Vibration that's 3 directional works. "When it comes to whole body vibration training (WBVT) not all vibrations are equal, nor are all platforms and products. The two most common forms of WBVT platforms are Vertical Vibration (VV) and Rotational Vibration (RV). The former moves up and down and the later tilts left to right (like a see saw). Without doubt research and science shows both are safe and effective and possess many of the same uses and benefits. Yet there are some distinct differences in experience and application. Power Plate is indeed a VV platform yet that is not the complete picture. Because of its unique (patented) 3D motion it actually moves up / down, side / side, and front / back with every oscillation. Indeed it is the only one in the world that does. Why is this important? Three critical reasons: Gravity is vertical. This is the most important load (force) on our bodies and we must move with, and against it, all day long whether we are exercising, playing sport, or simply living life. The other side of this coin is that every time we hit the ground - such as our foot hitting the ground when walking or running - the ground hits us back! This is called ground reaction force. Our bodies must be able to tolerate these forces, and impact, or injuries and dysfunction will occur. With Power Plate (VV) the platform lives us and comes back 30-50 x per second. This means our bodies are getting 30-50 ‘micro hits’ of gravity and ground reaction forces when we exercise on it (push up, lunge, plank, squat, etc). This is why Power Plate is one of the most authentic training tools around as it prepares the body for what we have to do naturally every day. Our entire body’s architecture is made in 3D. There are no straight lines in the body! Books conveniently make it look that way but underneath the skin every tissue is simply designed in 3D. Our nerves, muscles, bones, joints, connective tissues and yes even our organs crave motion in 3D. New tissue models along the line of stress so if we want health new bones, muscles, etc then we need to stimulate them (stress) in alignment with how there are made. That would be in 3D. Our habits literally become our anatomy - how we move (or don’t) will become your new body. In life and sport we move up and down, side to side to side, and front and back thus Power Plate stimulates the body authentically to function! Frequency, amplitude, and g-forces. WBV traditionally uses these 3 terms to define how much work we are doing on a platform and therefore how much stress is being applied to our body. Science shows that optimal ranges seem to be 25-50 Hz, 2-6mm, 1-8 G’s. Indeed these are Power Plates ranges. One of the key things to VV is that once you set your frequency and amplitude (and therefore forces) it will stay precise no matter how you move during the exercise. So for example if you select 40 Hz / High (5 G’s) and decide to do push and squats it doesn’t matter whether you have a wide squat and push up or a narrow one, you are working against the same load. However with RV this is not the case. As you change your hand and foot position, wider or narrower, the forces change. A wider stance would equal more forces and a narrower less. This means that if a small, but strong person, squats with a narrow stance and a larger less conditioned person squats with a wider stance (which they have too being bigger), the deconditioned larger person is squatting against greater force. It should be the other way around. This would be analogous to saying that a treadmill moves faster for taller people than short. Also with some RV platforms they can go in excess of 16G, which is extremely high to say the least with no apparent aded benefit yet greater potential risk. So in short both forms of WBVT are safe and effective. Both have science and proven results. But when you consider how we, as human beings, are designed to move Power Plate ticks many more boxes of authentic function as well as delivering what is proven to be safe and effective vibrational levels."

I was shopping for a full body vibration plate and trying to decide which brand to buy, so I figured I’d watch reviews on KZfaq when I stumbled across this video. I’m so glad I did! I’ll be saving my money!

I’m very confused now as yesterday I watched these very same presenters talking on an hour video saying that 2min to 10 min a day on a vibration plate is a good idea? So which video came first ? Which is the correct information?

Thank you so much for sharing this interview with Dr. Rubin! I guess the key is to share this information with as many people as possible. I will be sure to share this with all of my student ASAP!

Hi Margaret, I want to thank you very much for this interview with Dr. Ruben. I had no idea about the rate of vibration for different vibration platforms. This was a huge help!

So is it safe to use my existing plate on low settings?

Is it posssible to make these available Vibration plates (commonly available for $130 on Amazon) more safe by making them low intensity?? If we put a thick spongy mat below the soles -- where you are standing -- would it reduce the intensity and render it safe? Thanks

The benefits of the calcium nose spray sound wonderful!!!!

Excellent information. Thank you.

Hello, I'm so glad I stumbled upon this . I currently am exercising on a power plate on middle setting. I find that if I build up to 4 min. I am completely wasted for at least 2 days, I'm 75 yrs old. I keep telling my friend that I don't think that this is what I should be experiencing. If I stand on the rubber pad it diminishes the intensity of vibrations and, I'm not wasted for two days. Could you speak to that. Also, y daughter is a PT and, she warned me that this is no substitute for regular exercise such as the therapy she recommended for me,

My vibration plate goes from 15hz-40hz... is that safe?

I just watched Dr. Rubin's video and read the comments below but I am confused about some of the terminology. Is a vibration machine that is described as "high frequency" mean the same thing as "high intensity"? and does low amplitude mean the machine is low intensity? I am wondering if the VT007 Vibration Plate - High Frequency 15-40Hz Low Amplitude machine found on Amazon a high or low intensity machine and does it meet the standards that Dr. Rubin outlines? Thank you in advance for your response.

So Dr Rubin, you mention Fosomax for osteopenia, etc issues, but haven't you heard about all of the reports of jaw bone major degeneration from using even recomm dosage of 1/day? What about do no harm? I have a vibration plate and will minimize exposure and maybe stop use until I investigate more. Thanks.

then what are the machines you recommend

Wow this is great! So glad I subscribed. I'll tell the people in my Prolia Side Effects and Complaints support group. So many members there are now so suspicious of pharmaceutical intervention that they are anxious to learn about any research into possible methods to improve bone strength and decrease fracture risk, which don't involve pharmaceuticals. The general feeling is that they'll risk the fractures before they'll struggle with the issues with the pharmaceuticals ever again. Too many broken backs and side effects...the members are desperate for reasonable, well-sourced, researched possible alternatives and methodologies (without the "snake oil" factor of course!) Thanks again and "see" you next week.

I can’t afford this vibrating plate. Any other suggestions?

Yes, good video, however I just got a WVPP which has many settings so my question is which setting is good; the lowest setting? I like the setting that changes every minute, from low to medium to high for a total of 10 minutes. Also how do we convert Htz (or however they measure the movement) to g’s?

For those who need to know ISO 6031: ISO 2631-1:1997 Mechanical Vibration And Shock - Evaluation Of Human Exposure To Whole-Body Vibration - Part 1: General Requirements This part of ISO 2631 defines methods for the measurement of periodic, random and transient whole-body vibration. It indicates the principal factors that combine to determine the degree to which a vibration exposure will be acceptable. Informative annexes indicate current opinion and provide guidance on the possible effects of vibration on health, comfort and perception and motion sickness... . This part of ISO 2631 is applicable to motions transmitted to the human body as a whole through the supporting surfaces: the feet of a standing person, the buttocks, back and feet of a seated person or the supporting area of a recumbent person. This type of vibration is found in vehicles, in machinery, in buildings and in the vicinity of working machinery.

What about rising slightly on the ball of your foot while lifting the heel and then dropping back down onto your foot flat on the floor?

Hi Margaret. Thanks for this interview. I am interested, but for some reason the price is hidden. Makes it sound creapy and like a fly by night item. I would like to see a place where I can see it for sale, and the price, etc. You have one, so obviously you have checked it out. I was ready to buy one, but all this difficulty is making me think twice. I have subscribed, so I'll wait for your response. Thank you so much. Lynn.

What about trampoline

Thank you. Very informative.

Great presentation...I have a small plate at home that I rarely use.....what about lowest speed for two minutes? Is there any benefit? Also I want to thank you for these wonderful podcasts, Margaret...I always look forward to them as someone with low bone density. I bought you exercise book, too.

Thanks so much for this. I'm really interested in follow-up studies, and what the state is of knowledge of long-term ARs. I'm guessing there's not much available at this time.

Thank you Margaret and Dr Rubin! 👍🏻 I’m progressing through your Yoga and Exercise books for OP. Love them.

I have the personal power plate, now I’m concerned that I’m hurting myself vs helping! I’m a 51yr old hitting menopause and suffer from tight muscles and other issues that come along with my hyper mobility .

You are specifying what you have found to be good in terms of Gs, but others (e.g., Power Plate) give their settings in terms of frequency (30/sec to 50/sec) and amplitude (in millimeters). At 30/sec frequency and low amplitude, it is just sort of a buzz or hum. Meets your standards? Doesn't meet them? Metrics allowing comparison would be helpful!!!

I bought a vibration plate years ago and haven't used it because I couldn't find a place to put it. My home is carpeted and it would be weird in the kitchen. I'm going to get rid of it after learning the Hi intensity units are dangerous. I thought it would be safe on the lowest setting but it still is too much vibration. I wish I could afford one of the LIV units. Maybe the other manufacturers making the dangerous ones will make some low intensity ones. Thank you for the valuable information!

I get the point, but would appreciate knowing how to make sure we are buying a product with the correct parameters. Hz, g’s , duration all play a part. And it’s all new to me! A hz reader costs more than my machine. Do the helpful machines have this info on the box? More info please

im very grateful for this video, is there any chance that you can share with us, the links to the studies (papers) so we can read them? Congratulations and thank you.

How do I know the intensity of my vibration plate? Where do I find that info, I see nothing about number of G force

Where can we buy his device?

I'm afraid I'm confused. What does' Low intensity" mean? Does it mean that the movement of the plate is slower? My friend has , for example, a Vibrpower disc. Is it safe to use on teh lowest setting, or is the vibration that Dr Rubin is recommending something that can only be gotten from a different type of machine altogether?

I hope at some time osteoporosis of the skull will be discussed.

Why do the astronauts in space use this type of treatment? Don’t you think that if it was dangerous, they wouldn’t let the astronauts do it.

Hi Margaret - great video. Would you be able to help with this question? I know the recommendation for LIV is less than 1 G. The LIV manufacturer recommends placing the device on a hard surface so the intensity (G's) is not reduced. Is there any data on how much of a reduction in intensity (G's) there would be by placing a device on a rubber exercise mat? And along those same lines, is there a reduction in intensity by wearing shoes or other rubber soled footwear? If so how much? Full disclosure here - I currently have a VibePlate, and it puts out 3-4 G's. After seeing your videos, I want to purchase the Doc's LIV machine and use that instead. Until I get that sold I'll have to use what I have, but wanted to get the G's down to less than 1, per Dr Rubin Thanks John

This is very important information. I need to purchase a machine but would like some recommendations for what to look for, what to ask or names of safe products.

Thank you for this very informative video. Will you be telling us the cost of the LiV and where we can purchase one in the US? I am very interested already having listened to this video and doing some more research on the internet about the doctor and program at the university. Thank you as always Margaret.

How about use for lymphadema

Thank you for this as it was suggested to me to use one of these devices for my osteoporosis. A question.. what about light jogging and light horse back riding in terms of damage to the spine?

Truck drivers spend hrs and hrs driving everday for years. Not 10-20 minutes a day. That example doesn't make sense to me.

When is the best time of day to use it??

What is Dr. Clinton Rubins financial interest in the VIB plate?

So short sets of low intensity magnetic vibration is in fact good for you and lymphatic drainage, but not whole body, high magnetic, high vibrations. Do I have that right?

When to use before or after a meal??

I have osteoporosis and right full hip replacement. Can I use this machine without hurting my fake hip?

Is he talking about the vibration plates in the red light booth at Planet Fitness?

I wish i saw this before buying a lifepro 😒

Thanks

Is isn’t clear to me if this will help a 66 year old with severe osteoporosis according to DexaScan. The lowest T-score is a -4.4 at lumbar 3. The lowest at the hip is a -3.0 at the femur neck. I haven’t had a TBS. I try to walk at least 2 miles a day and do other exercises. Will the Marodyne really make any difference in building bone at this stage of my diagnosis? Thank you.

Would this help my mother, a 95 year old woman who has a non healing neck fracture? I want to get one delivered to her Independent Living residence.

what device do you recommend

What about Theragun/Therabody? Is that safe? I saw it on ‘ Doctors’

How far apart from before or after meal??

Morning or noon or eve which tomes is best ??

Is g greater than hz?

Hello! How do you feel about the ‘solo flex’ vibe platform?

are the vibration machines ok for an apartment? I live in the upper floor (last floor)

I would like to know if a rowing machine is beneficial to help with bone loss?

I am so glad I found this video. I was checking into these vibration platforms but there are so many available on Amazon, that I now am very confused which one to get. Can you please lead me to some place from where I can buy one of those platforms about which Dr. Rubin talks about.

So what kind of vibration platform is beneficial for improving bone density?

How would this compare to wearing a weight vest?

Do you lose weight and tone your legs and circulation please thank s ♥️

So the high intensity is not good?

where can one buy a LIV vibration plate? and how expensive are they?

Dr. Rubin Are you saying That OsterStrong is not safe?

So, vibration machines are a waste of money?

Dr. Rubin, Is OsteoStrong safe for Osteoporosis?

Its 4k folks. Who can afford it 😂

OMG

I came across this study that says we can use vibration devices for osteoporosis so who is right? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6112924/pdf/medi-97-e11918.pdf

Thank you for posting! I’ve been searching for information on the Power Plate Pro 7 machines we have at our gym. I’ve been using it after my workouts thinking it’s a good thing but now I’m worried. The information on the screen has a scale of 0-8, Frequency 45, Amplitude high. The trainers don’t seem to know much about the equipment. I’m 65 with osteopenia. 🫤

This is my second vibration oscillating machine kzfaq.infoUgkxfz4_K0hTJKkW57TijFZ22TJNCBCKBqZz and this one has a lot more variations and the quality is really good. My other one has a handle but with this one it’s not required the platform is wide enough and the length to be able to do more exercises with and without the handle I can do leg lifts. I use it not only for pain relief but also to help me with Diabetes circulation issues. This was a great present to myself!! It is heavy so be aware of that it’s roughly close to 40-50 lbs but still easy to move when needed. Revision 3/1/21 ; it does weigh exactly how their website mentions and really enjoy this machine and they way it shows on the platform areas to put your feet and what type of exercises it is. I have recommended their machine to my co-workers as well as my MT students. Love their customer Service for any questions or concerns very helpful and courteous!

For those who need to know ISO 6031: ISO 2631-1:1997 Mechanical Vibration And Shock - Evaluation Of Human Exposure To Whole-Body Vibration - Part 1: General Requirements This part of ISO 2631 defines methods for the measurement of periodic, random and transient whole-body vibration. It indicates the principal factors that combine to determine the degree to which a vibration exposure will be acceptable. Informative annexes indicate current opinion and provide guidance on the possible effects of vibration on health, comfort and perception and motion sickness... . This part of ISO 2631 is applicable to motions transmitted to the human body as a whole through the supporting surfaces: the feet of a standing person, the buttocks, back and feet of a seated person or the supporting area of a recumbent person. This type of vibration is found in vehicles, in machinery, in buildings and in the vicinity of working machinery.