"The people complaining about Gwen Stefani probably aren't Japanese anyways" 100000000000000000000000000000% true

I live in the US and have a Japanese mom who LOVES when people wear Kimonos and other Japanese traditional clothing. Most Japanese people I know don't even have the concept of cultural appropriation. I feel like its more an American concept

Makes sense. Imagine if you heard a story about a Kpop artist in relation to their music saying that they were "practically american" and then being torn apart by the Korean press and having people threaten to destroy her career. you'd probably think that Koreans hate America or something lol

Really well put together vid (again)! Thanks for this~

She meant “I’m Japanese” in the sense that she identifies with the culture, she wasn’t saying that she was literally Japanese. 🙄

Sharing my own story : When I went to Japan as a kid, I admired their cleanliness and politeness so much, I made it a part of my personality. I started arranging my room, changing how I speak and think about people, and emulated many of what I think was their culture. Some of them wasn't good (my misinterpretation) but those that were stuck with me and influences my work. No regret. Will absolutely share my experience with others, if they ask.

Lol there was a tweet back when I was in college of a white girl who was adopted by Japanese parents whose mom was a Geisha and had her Kimono still. She let her daughter wear it to her high school prom and someone took a picture and it went viral on Twitter. Tons of WHITE people up in arms and offended but tons and tons of Japanese people celebrating the girl on Japanese Twitter and saying it’s a great thing to celebrate culture. I guess this is just a long ass way to say mind you fucking business and quit being offended on behalf of other people!

This shit is bananas

good video. hearing the whole quote, it seems to me that people were taking her out of context and just looking to manufacture a controversy. thanks for spreading positivity.

I knew this would be Japan’s response, same thing happened with Avril and her Hello Kitty song

Culture is meant to be shared. That's how it spreads and transforms.

> the people complaing about Gwen Stefani probably aren't Japanese anyway that applies to near every time a celeb gets "cancelled " for cultural appropriation

I love the japanese's reaction to gwen's statement. People in the english speaking world really don't get how little sense a lot of their concepts make to the rest of the world. I'm latino, from Chile. We have a set of traditional clothes, and sometimes authorities and famous people wear them when they come around here, and we love it, even more if they like it too. It's fun to see foreigners enjoy your culture. Simple as that. And, as the japanese said themselves, you know when someone is mocking or insulting something, it doesn't take a lot of awareness to figure stuff like that out. If they enjoy the culture, all's fine in the world.

When it comes to cultural appropriation, it's never the actual people of that culture that get offended. It's always someone who has nothing to do with it, trying to cancel someone just for the sake of cancelling. It's incredibly cringe. Great video man.

If she says she is japanese and that she loves Japan i see no problem and she might not be a born japanese but she is happy with how their culture is and she appreciates it and even feels Home in it then i would say she is japanese. We are all humans in the end.

To be completely honest, it's not really a problem for people in Japan. Her statement wasn't her calling herself japanese either, she was simply saying she felt at home there giving her the feeling of being japanese. I'd say it's more a western issue for Japanese Americans, who may feel that she has no connection to Japan like they do. It's a very complicated matter and I don't think it's 100% right or wrong, but my personal feelings is that a strong love and inspiration from a different culture isn't an issue

I think people who always use cultural appropriation don't seem to understand that the concept of Culture not stem from an ethnic Group but rather Tradition and Livelihood. If a person in China where to live in Germany for a fixed period of time adopting the Language, Customs and Tradition, That person is Hence By German. So there isn't any problem concerning Identifying a nationality base on culture but Identifying as the Ethnic Group would be questionable unless you have blood relation.

That's just typical Twitter getting offended for other people who didn't ask for any of this xD The concept of cultural appropriation just doesn't make any sense to me!

I like hearing the Japanese internets perspective on some of the silliness that goes on in the states, it’s interesting. Also, that whole, “cultural appropriation” thing with Gwen, or most people really, isn’t that big of a deal here either, it just gets a lot of online traction because people like to have fun.

I've said it before and I think others have said it here: it's really hard to parse through Japanese twitter, even with my okay level of Japanese reading. so I greatly appreciated a video with this quick of a turnaround about a "global" or US-focused issue from the Japanese perspective. do more!

I really want your channel to get big. Keep up the good work.

I think it is quite a tough conversation, because she is American and thus scrutinized under the American lense. In Japan, they won't even have the full understanding because they are from a homogenous environment. Meanwhile many Japanese Americans/ Americans in general having lived there have a better idea of the possible harm this behavior could cause and aretrying to "protect" Japan from what they observed. This same discourse happens with almost every diaspora. The cultural awareness isn't really there on both sides.

Her song "what are you waiting for" was my childhood and one of the few good memories of my dad was him playing that song I haven't heard her name and years and I didn't know she was a weeb lol Also I think cultural appropriation isn't real Japanese people like when non Japaness wear kimono koreans love it when non koreans wear hanbok/chosonot the people who complain about it are usually westerised af or not even that group being "appropriated" What cultural appropriation should be Is someone thinking they're the expert on that culture but actually insulting and knowing nothing about that culture Most people who accuse others of cultural appropriation are exactly that

Man sounds like a joking comment by her and by no means disrespectful or rude if she could she’d probably get Japanese citizenship too to bounce back and forth I see it like if someone wanted to be apart of or cherish another country and or people

Every Japanese person I have met LOVES when foreigners participate in and enjoy Japanese activities/culture. Issue here is that those people I met in the real world and not on the internet… maybe thats why 😂

From the context it didn't sound like she meant it literally. I'm not native English speaker tho, also I didn't read the whole interview.

Giant media distribution companies putting pressure on Japanese anime/manga/games to change things to suit their beliefs: "..." Gwen Stefani hiring actual japanese women to work with her: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" Also I find it hillarious that a japanese person clearly understood Gwen Stefani saying "I'm Japanese" as way to communicate how much she likes Japanese culture, not the literal reading of the English words used, (moreover, the U.S.'s literacy rate)

"I maybe be cringe but I am happy."

There's a difference between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation.

Not really involved with the backlash on this but I think it's important to note, I think this kinda thing is gonna inevitably be looked at under a different light within Japan as opposed to from the perspective of Japanese-Americans. It's a tough topic and I'm not gonna pretend I have any real answers but I think, assuming anyone arguing is in speaking in good faith, the point is less that she's appropriating Japanese culture from Japan, and more that, when people do stuff like this, it could potentially come off as insulting to Japanese-Americans, who might face a lot of prejudice or stigmas from other people for their ethnicity. Like, "Why does she get to say 'I'm Japanese' so proudly, but it can't be the same for me?" I guess the real answer on that comes down to what most Japanese-Americans actually think about this or other similar instances, but, I think it might be hard for that concept to really land with many non-Americans online.

Love that you shared and read through their comments. Great way to practice my reading comprehension while also getting a peek into the mind of the natives. Almost as good as street interview videos.

I'm just commenting because I love your channel and want it to blow up. Let's go dude

The best explanation I got of cultural appropriation was this: when elements from a culture (tacos, native american tapestries, african beats…) are welcome, but the people and culture who originated them are not (or are treated as second-class), that's cultural appropriation. This definitely doesn't qualify. There's a genuine love and respect for the culture here.

Your channel is very informative and fun and I sometimes rewatch your videos. That’s it…that’s the feedback

I'm Japanese and i'm IN LOOOOOOOVE with her Harajuku Era!

As an avid supporter of you’re channel ( I hope you do remember me I’m in the discord) I think videos like this are great for diversity in your channel library of videos

Well you know what they say, "this shit is bananas". LOL!

Really like this form of content tbh. I love hearing other peoples opinions about stuff thats wild in the west

Love all you videos

Remind me of that PragerU guy who wear a mexican robe (I don't know what that is), sombrero, and hold a maracas. He went around asking for opinions from some college students and almost all of them say the same thing: culture appropriation. And when he visit a street where there are a lot of Mexican people in it? None of them, I repeat, NONE of them offended at all.

She’s a weeb and that’s ok. It’s not like she’s trying to hurt anyone. Just a little cringe

good video, simple and right to the point

It's blatantly obvious she didn't mean it literally, but cancel culture doesn't care about that. Everything is taken out of context to fight an imaginary enemy.

I never really understood why people in my country disliked the idea of people dressing in the clothes or becoming a part of another culture. My friend said this about this topic: "appropriation? It seems more like appreciation to me. If she isn't being offensive, what's the problem?"

Woke foreigners: HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF JAPAN!!! The japanese: aww we love you too ❤

"....enrages Twitter" What doesnt enrage twitter?

I love exchanging cultures and the giving and taking of pop cultures in different nations. USA influencing japan, they give it a new spin and a lot of people got influenced by that.

I believe both sides misunderstood the meaning of the phrase. On the western side, "I'm Japanese" doesn't make her someone that's appropriating a culture, it was just a was to express herself and the admiration she felt while being at Harajuku. On the other side, if she (or even someone who's not a celebrity) would have said "I'm Japanese" and was doing things Oli London-style I'm sure Japanese people won't be overly protecting her. We could argue that she state a nationality and that is not admiration, that is weird

I’m not Japanese, (I’m American) and I’ve never been to Japan, but if i were to go there and, let’s say, wear a yukata, I’d ask someone who is Japanese and takes part in the county’s culture if it is considered cultural appropriation for me to wear it or not. Cause what ticks me off the most is when people say “Oh don’t do this thing, it’s culture appropriation!” And they’re not even from that culture, and then you get backlash, but then people who are actually from that culture say, “Oh, no go ahead, we love it when people engage in our culture and want to learn more about it as long as they do it respectfully!”

I think it’s not like she actually meant she is literally Japanese. She just really really loves the fashion and culture and I think she was going through a weeaboo phase. All anime/manga lover would have gone through such a phase. Lol. It’s cringey for sure but we all eventually get over it.

I feel like so many people put absolutely no critical thinking into whether or not something is actually offensive to a group of people that it undermines any attempt to push for improvement in those areas. Whenever someone hears "cultural appropriation" now it's often difficult to find people who will take it seriously, even if it is something genuinely offensive or harmful as defined by the culture themselves. All because some people have no concept of cultural exchange or cultural appreciation.

I know this doesn't really correlate, but I've adopted Japan's concept of taking off your shoes at the bottom stair of my apartment so as not to track dirt in. It's smart, looks cool and reminds me why I love Japan so much.

Japan is my favorite country in the world for its history and culture, and I feel even more loved that native citizens validate those feelings instead of rejecting them.

I think what’s important to understand is context and audience. The experiences of Asian people who grew up in the west will be different from Asian people who grew up in Asia. Therefore what’s considered offensive and their threshold for what’s considered appropriation is different. The history of someone who is a Japanese native vs a Japanese-American are very different. Gwen neglected to take into account her audience. She is American and thus will mostly be judged by an American audience. It’s great she loves Japanese culture, but perhaps it would’ve benefited her to consider who she was speaking with (the interviewer said she felt uncomfortable as an Asian person). Unfortunately she showed lack of awareness and came off as oblivious. Moreover, make no mistake, the commenters in Japan absolutely do not accept her as Japanese.

People do be confused between "cultural appreciation" and "cultural appropriation"

Great video

A fancinating blend of American & Chinese culture is the noodle dish often sold in New Orleans is yaka-mein

Thank god someone took the time to "ask" Japanese people how they feel about it. She obviously did not mean "literally" Japanese (even if she did use the word). Relax weird gate keepers

This is the equivalent of the Mexican phrase, "Hermano (insert nationality/country.) Ya eres Mexicano." "Brother/Sister (insert nationality.) You are now Mexican." We just embrace people who like us. I could imagine moving into the US (which I have) and feeling "American" only for some asshole to tell me it's wrong. That would be just discriminatory.

The louder the critics the faster they faster they get ignored.

as someone who grew up in both british and japanese culture, even i wasn't offended............ it just shows that they adore the culture and i am happy about that, japanese culture is so beautiful and interesting and i am glad to have grown up and have been taught about that too. although i don't say that i am japanese. i think it is a little bit odd to say that you are japanese when you're not, i mean as in genetics and stuff, but personally i'm indifferent mostly. as long as you appreciate and are respectful of japanese culture and the language, i will be happy ^_^

hmm Naomi Osaka took a while for them to accept her but hey if people are more open then good job

it is actually super interesting, and, to add something to the discussion, i, too, feel like i'm pulled towards the Japanese culture more and more as the time goes on, dunno why i feel that way but many times in my past when i was younger, i had, every now and then, those strong feelings of being related to Japanese culture like for real. ( i remember that one time when i've watched 言の葉の庭, man i could not stop crying from the beauty of the scenery and everything, i was deeply moved by the city and life itself that surrounds the main caracters, weird i know ) Soo seeing people being criticize because they feel a certain way is actually a bit sad to see and, i'm relieved that most of the Japanese people actually don't care and are happy that someone relates to them. A weird story coming from a Polish person who's living in France for about 20 years i know, but i'm kind of a Mr.Worldwide i guess !

This is like the same thing with that one video with a guy wearing traditional Mexican clothing, and asking American college students if he was racist, they said it was and called it "cultural appropriation"; then only later to ask that same question to Mexican people, and they were totally fine with it, and some even liked it.

This reminds me of that Jack Black movie "Nacho Libre." Hispanic people loved it....and everyone else thought it was offensive against Hispanics and panned the movie lol.

THANK YOU, JAPANALYSIS!! YES! Japanese people don't understand/don't care about cultural appropriation, and rightfully so. Because, like Gwen Stefani, the "cultural appropriators" are mostly just people who love Japan and simply want to put on a kimono or honor this great country in some other way. This is why North Americans like me (Canadian, actually) love Japan and the Japanese. So, like Gwen, I say: My God, I'm Japanese and didn't know it!"

ofcourse theres a difference between how people react in japan vs in the U.S. Asians Americans face a history of racial inequality that those outside of the U.S might not. We're oppressed for being Asian, but when a White person 'wear" our culture, they are seen as cultured and cool. Gwen is American so the conversation is relevant to asian Americans as much as it does Japan. Granted, I think people who got angry at the quote took it way out of context.

I'm japanese😊 and i was happy to hear her say i'm japanese❤❤ありがとう！ぐえんたん、だいすき‼️あなたは日本人だよ‼️‼️❤

If there’s a way to give a standing ovation to an entire country I’d like to give one to Japan for how the responded to this.

Its obvious her intentions are all in good faith. She has some history with the country, and has come to appreciate certain customs and way of life. No one is getting hurt, except those who are stating how the Japanese "should" feel about it based on their own ignorant biases and ideologies. Therefore, I think Gwen Stefani is free to do whatever she likes, as no one is getting seriously hurt or offended who is actually of importance to the topic. I also just cant see this ever being a negative thing to begin with, so maybe its just me haha. ありがとう, みんな。

The only people who tend to get offended by these types of things are people get offended on behalf of someone else, thinking they are doing a good thing when the people they are offended for generally are not offended, especially if you are (or are at least attempting to) show an appreciation for the culture and are doing so with respect. I'm an American in Japan now and have had no issues wearing Japanese clothing styles or anything.

he's getting faster with the edits

What I learned: It's cultural appropriation if you're copying from a non dominant culture, if its from a dominant one then that's the norm.

Pretty eye opening video, I rarely follow Jp news outlets so seeing Japan related news and the Japanese people perspective is quite neat!

I love you're content. Do you plan on going back to Japan in the future?

I find the people that get offended by things like this, aren't even in the group that's supposed to be offended. Just like this video has demonstrated.

I do want to prose something on this just because it occurred to me based on their comments. I feel like as westerners we have a certain perspective of when people say that sort of stuff the US and similar countries, they are literally deluding themselves, like, insert "in all forms except physical... I am a wolf" here. So, when we hear that, we're hearing "Gwen Stephani is pretending she's Japanese rather than just saying she loves the culture" whereas from these comments, Japanese people seem to see it as "I love Japan and see myself in Harajuku". Both seem valid to extrapolate, but it shows an interesting culture difference. This is just my anecdotal opinion though if anyone has had different experiences.

California is geographically closer to Japan than most US states too (Alaska maybe but nobody moves there)

Wonder how the Vapors were received?

I completely agree with this video and these Japanese comments. I was raised in Germany, yet loved to say over there that I was an American (granted, I had an American dad, but I was born in Germany). So by that logic, am I guilty of "cultural appropriation" as well? Funnily enough, now that I live in Canada (my dad, to whom I moved in the states, encouraged me to move to Canada for their better health benefits) I now enjoy saying that I'm German/American. In a way, I am both (I believe I'm even a dual citizen), though there are pros and cons I have found in either country (and Canada). But never mind me, if I suddenly came across a Canadian saying "I am German", I would more-so feel honored that they think so highly of-and feel such attachment for-my home country and its culture. I'd probably want to teach them the language and what I learned in German schools. I suppose the reason "cultural appropriation" is tossed around, is because the line is treated like she's stating a fact; not as a line of support of-or attachment towards-said culture. I also found that "figurative is treated literal, and literally is used for figuratively". I've found that in the West (I wouldn't doubt that some non-Western countries view it the same), heartfelt comments may be negatively viewed as false claims (like claiming you're a tall basketball player when you're 5' or 1.5 m tall). I remember that when I said thing like "I hate onions" or "I love potatoes", people complained and recommended that I should refrain from the use of "exaggerated words". I remember that when my dad said "When people asked me if I wanted to kill anyone, I joked and said that I wanted to kill my fellow soldier for pissing me off" they almost put him with a psychiatrist, and had to explain that it was meant figuratively. Anyways, I am rather glad to learn more Japanese culture thanks to your videos (yes, I'm subscribing to you and leaving a like). You know, the more of these videos of yours I watch, the more I relate to the Japanese, haha! What a shame that I moved to the West and not to the East! Oh well, it is what it is. Now that I think about it... wouldn't millions of people such as Anime fans and cosplayers fall under this "cultural appropriation" for surrounding and dressing themselves after Japanese students and characters? I know if I'd see a Canadian dressed in a Lederhosen or dirndl (traditional German attire), I'd probably burst out in joyous laughter (in approval, not mockery) and give them a big thumb up! I'm relieved that the town I now live in allows me to say that I'm German as well... that "redneck" town where I father lived (he moved there to be near his frail mother) was so racist that I hid the fact that I was raised in Germany... (Those who I told called me a Nazi). It's rather sad how harsh support or relations towards another country may be treated by some cultures [I struggle to adapt to any, though I've significantly lessened my "smiley/emoji usage" to adapt to this emotionless commenting style, though refuse to use these abbreviations that are untrue (I mean, when someone says "lol" are they really "laughing out loud"?)]. I still need to work on lessening my comment length, but that's an issue for me to figure out, haha! Anyways, thank you for reading this, I hope what I said made some sense and helped to show my perspective on this topic! I'm sorry if I may have upset someone by accident, it wasn't my intend. If you'd like to ask more (especially about German), please do! I love questions! (Though I'm still a bit shy, so please bear with me) Have a great day, and thanks for reading!

I'm from Europe and I like to take part in some of the fashion trends that know their origin from Harajuku, such as lolita fashion. Within the foreign harajuku fashion community, I frequently hear things like "saying kawaii (when used by a non-Japanese person) is a slur", because people think kawaii culture and fashion is only reserved for Japanese people. Non-Japanese people should just say 'cute' instead, and call their clothes 'cute-core' instead of 'kawaii' style. I'm really curious how actual Japanese people would respond to that lol

I think this is complicated. On one hand, I want to respect Japanese people's views when it comes to this topic and I'm glad theyre not offended by her statements. On the other hand, asking why wearing a suit or playing western derived style music isn't appropriation but this is, shows that these people dont really understand the concept of cultural appropriation. While I'm glad people in Japan weren't offended, a lot of Japanese Americans who do understand appropriation and have to live in a place they are not the dominant group were, and that's a big issue. Think of it like this, Gwen can say she's Japanese all she wants because she likes the culture, but if it was the 1940's she wouldnt be hauled off to an internment camp. Nobody on the street now is going to yell at her for spreading covid or other racist stereotypes. Gwen is safe in whiteness and examples like this are why some people have an issue with her just casting that aside

People need to understand there's a difference between this and oli london. It's not like either DIRECTLY harm others anyways, one just enjoys Japanese culture and expressed it in a silly but well meaning way and the other is a scary horror monster that can only harm your eyes

My boss is Japanese and she loves Gwen Stefani, especially the Harajuku Girls tracks. I had wondered if it was cultural appropriation but I trust her judgement more than my own on this topic, I am not Japanese.

Sounds silly. I'm Scottish and I don't give Japan any grief for making a kilt part of the girls school uniform. Even to the point of wearing 'clan' or Royal Stewart or Black Watch tartans. What happened to "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"?

President Kennedy once gave a speech to Berlin ppl in German and meant to say he was a Berliner, meaning we are all part of the human race and connected. What he actually said though, was “I Am a doughnut.” essentially.

"Cultural appropriation" doesn't exist. It's just the kvetchings of middle upper class American kids getting offended on others behalf. Most people across the world are ecstatic if you take an interest in their culture.

The full quote is completely different to just saying "I'm Japanese" and meaning it 100% literally.

Let people love Japan!

This controversy actually made me delete Twitter because I just could not stand the negativity around this discourse, it was making me depressed. I understand the hurt feelings, especially coming from half-Japanese people living in other parts of the world who constantly have their identity questioned for then to Gwen come along and claim heritage she does not have and be potentially appreciated. On the other hand, I don't think that's what she did. And even if she did, why are we starting to link feelings of belonging to a culture to genetics again? That's ridiculous, I thought we are beyond that. Everybody can become American or German or French if they felt at home there for example and we would rightfully argue with any person who would say they could never be, just because they don't have the right genetic history or heritage.

The comments on the various platforms do reflect the general view in Japan - mainly because Japanese engage in cultural appropriation more that any other country I've been to, wearing dreadlocks , cornrows , fake Afros - you name it , they will appropriate it ! They simply have a very different worldview and live somewhat in a bubble of comfort and ignorance, but quite innocently....

The culture appropriation comes from the Japanese diaspora being discriminated in their home country. Japanese won't complain and they'll be happy about cases like this because they don't experience any backlash for being Japanese in Japan. I doubt that all the backlash Gwen is getting is by the Japanese diaspora though, which is just diverting from the problems the Japanese diaspora is facing with. Liking foreign culture and feeling at home in a foreign land cause you're actually escaping from reality (as this is called in tourism) is a completely different issue than discrimination against the Japanese diaspora. So of course Japanese responses in this video and western responses have very little in common, the two are talking about two completely different things, despite being based on the same statement made by Gwen.

I get it because of our history. Sitll, you wont look at her and not know that her taste are from japan and not 'her own' and that most will go to the source and enjoy it (plus she works with the people and not make decisions for them)... The same can't realy be said about others. Yes, Jpop/rock/hip hop copies and welll. theres that drama too. I'm mixed with this. The japanese them selves say its ok, and its theirs to say ok. If another culture would rather you not, you can't get on them for that.

what about the viewpoint of the opposition? none were read?

I first heard the word “Harajuku” thanks to Gwen.

Dose she even make music anymore I haven't heard about her since I was 9

i think there is a possible misunderstanding about her language that could explain the difference in perspectives on her statement between the west and japan. it seems to me that most, if not all, of those japanese tweets seemed to interpret gwen stefani's "i am japanese" as a cultural statement, as in "i am culturally japanese". similarly to how someone who comes to america to "become an american". however, people in america seem to interpret "i am japanese" as "i am ethnically japanese". when interpreted from that perspective, it would be easy to see how that statement could be careless, since at face value her career is full of japanese-inspired imagery as well as unnamed japanese dancers who seem to only be there as background pieces to her stardom. "i am [ethnically] japanese" becomes "look at how much japanese culture i've used, i can now basically claim japanese as my ethnicity". as to why westerners think she meant "ethnically japanese", i think this is partly due to america's sort of main-character syndrome, where an american can be anyone, but anyone from another country is ethnically from that country. but it's a relatively easy misunderstanding. i think it's up in the air what she really meant.

Cultural appropriation is just white people feeling guilty about what white people have done in the past, I find it important to embrace our tiny planet and its cultures to be important.

Lol an infamous trolltuber - BG Kumbi already did this a couple years ago, and no one cared. He identified as a Japanese teenager, and put absolutely no effort to be Japanese-like in anyway. He just came out as as a Japanese teenager, and whaddaya know? No one cared. That means the entire world, with its lack of any opposition or backlash, passively acknowledged his transition. BG Kumbi is a man of many character, but if he can be Japanese, well, then anyone can be. So, this whole controversy is meaningless, totally unnecessary.

Nice to see the love and respect of people towards differing cultures shows the admiration and kindness that’s possible and Cultural Appropriation is a foolish word in itself as it’s just disrespect in a fancy way of speaking but seeing as how Japanese people aren’t mad or how Gwen ment no ill will then it’s even more idiotic to describe the situation/even at hand