I'm a brown belt judoka and have never done BJJ in my life. Regardless, I firmly believe that BJJ is a solid martial art just as judo is. When sparring with a BJJ blue belt, I was able to throw him multiple times. He was also able to submit me multiple times. If you guys are talking about "self defense", we would have essentially killed each other every time i threw him or he submitted me. Respect to all martial arts.

Respect to both of these men 👊

Thank you for the soundtrack.. i'm doing backflips off the sofa and punching myself in the face right now!

Nice sprawl in the beginning! The second I saw that I knew you had the match!

Judo, BJJ, JJJ, doesn't matter! It's not the art, it's the artist!

Good job, thanks for sharing your experience!

Nice work buddy!!! The both of you looked up for the game!!

Gracie's ain't the only one's who teach Jiujutsu in Brazil Oswaldo Fadda is the other Brazilian linage derived from Maeda...

the koryu are the clasical jujitsu arts from that period,prior to the meji restoration,the arts the samurai used on the battlefield ,they had only limited newaza due to the situaton.A few styles of jujitsu had groundwork from which judo got their original newaza,which was very limited by the way,that came later when judo was defeated by fusen ryu in a challenge and kano decided to emphaise newaza more.He eventually discouraged it via the kosen rule.

Nice pin at the end! I just started taking Judo a little while ago and that's the first one I learned. :P

Exactly. These arguments only prove human psychology is universal - we all want to feel superior.. - eg. "I'm Russian, therefore Sambo is the best" .. "I am Brazilian, therefore BJJ is the best" .."I am Japanese, therefore Judo is the best" etc.. . Well, perhaps we should take Judo and Japanese culture as the base of it all.. after all, and they teach Respect. BR

great video man! i really enjoyed it! great triangle defence and excellent job on your submission. but i have to b a bad person and say that i really laughed when you tried to do that armbar hahaha, anyways keep it up! good to see jujutsu is alive!

Damn good finish!

What a lazy guard pull at the end.

nice match, good techniques

Aye a direct student of Jigaro Kano, one of the stories I here is that his emphasis was on Ne-waza or ground fighting w/c explains BJJ's philosophy of bringing the fight to the ground.

Jiu Jutsu (and all its spelling variants) is a generic term for an array of empty hand fighting techniques native to Japan; namely the feudal era. There were many schools with varying emphasis on joint locks, choking, etc. It exists now through its descendents: Judo, Aikido, Hapkido, BJJ, etc. They're all part of the same family so it's pointless to argue which is "real" or better than another.

Actually "picking someone up" (if you mean takedowns, throws, and the like) spend little energy if done correctly. In Judo, the main focus is on throws and one of the key factors is learning to throw with the best technique possible so as to use the least amount of energy. If you understand the physics behind it, throwing even (and sometimes, especially) a resisting opponent can be less strenuous than throwing a well-placed punch!

Very nice Judo Newaza from jujutsu practicioner.

You're really good at maintaining top position. Have you tried mma or combat jiu jitsu where ground and pound is allowed? I know this is an old video but who knows, maybe you had tried it already?

nice shoulder lock at the end. Im kinda surprised he didnt tap you with the triangle. It was locked but he did a few mistakes which allowed you to get out. good job

Nice to see some intelligent arguments here. I believe Kano was a student of Kito Ryu Jujutsu, and got his students to bone up on techniques from Fusen Ryu Jujutsu which focused on Ne waza. The BJJ I typically see seems to be focused more on the Fusen side than the Kito. An instructor of mine made me laugh once, we studied Daito, Kito and Fusen and he stopped and said "you realize these techniques were merely supplements to armed combat in case you lost your weapons" Which amazes me.

armbar from kesa gatame. My favorite way to finish a grappling match. Beautiful.

FYI Judo's newaza is traditional. It came from fusen ryu jujutsu. A style in which dr kano intergrated into judo. from wiki Judo Parenthood: Various koryū Jujutsu schools, principally Tenjin Shin'yō-ryū and Kito-ryū Fusen-ryu is a koryu jujutsu school

@BlackShinobiShozoku From Wiki: When Maeda left Japan, judo was still often referred to as "Kano Jiu-Jitsu", or, even more generically, simply as "Jiu-Jitsu." PLUS: those judo moves were passed to judo. then handed to brazil. Point is that the moves were around in an origin earlier that judo. So they do come from the same origin. Check Mate

In my JJ dojo we roll as well occasionally. We also practice throws/takedowns competitively (as in randori), but we very rarely allow all techniques because some are just too dangerous. Throwing someone with a wrist or arm lock applied throughout the throw is banned even in our tournaments because if the opponent resists you will break something. We try to simulate as much of a real fight as possible without being too dangerous.

I like Japan reclaimed the real jujitsu.

good job guy ....

why would anyone dislike this video. this was a great amateur fight I really enjoyed it at least.

Literally just started both Judo and BJJ at the same time this week

To say that there is no such a thing as BJJ is just ignorant. No BJJ practitioner who knows the discipline will deny that the origins of the sport are Japanese. But there is enough differences between the mother version and the derivative to warrant a different name. BJJ still Jiu-Jitsu, but the variation was developed completely in Brazil, hance Brazilian JJ

Well, after spending the last hour reserching this information you are 100% right. the information i hade mentioned that it was just the japanise governement re-nameing the art from 'Kano Jiu-Jitsu' to Kodokan judo in light of the Founder of Judo- Jigoro Kano wishing his art to stay seperate from Jiu jitsu (Wich he studied and altered to create Judo) but you are right, that would make Maeda a judoka and mean the gracies never learned the true art of Japanise Jiu jitsu.

Nice...

Looks like Judo and BJJ are at it again...

Yes, "the bigger guy can easily do more damage than the smaller guy", however the bigger guy is almost definitely slower. Since the little guy can end the fight with one well-placed punch or kick, as long as he avoids being hit the amount of damage he deals is less significant. In all wrestling, you can almost always grab your opponent and your ability to pick him up is very advantageous. They are both somewhat strength and skill oriented, but strength is a greater advantage in grappling.

World class..

@BlackShinobiShozoku I am a BJJ guy and I agree with this. Footlocks can go many ways, I have seen people go for footlocks and then they are the ones tapping from a counter footlock. Whatever man he got the tap, he wins, he did well positionally too. Keep it up man, you do well

@BlackShinobiShozoku Where do you think I will be going exactly?

i loled at the hook attempt

BJJ learnt the vast majority of its ground technique from Judo newaza. The difference is whether one goes to a dojo that specialises in newaza.

Why style of jujutsu do you study?

rifle=how to fight long range. Gun=how to fight in mid range. Knife=how to fight close range

the amount of times he could have slammed him is ridiculous

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go back school... Mitsuyo "Count Koma" Maeda(japanese) → Carlos Gracie → Helio Gracie → Rickson Gracie → Kron Gracie

There is a major disadvantage if your opponent is significantly stronger than you. That said, it can be overcome with enough skill. This strength advantage is more prominent in grappling as opposed to striking since direct contact is made for the majority of the fight whereas in striking, speed is more important. They both are necessary however, and they are more effective in different situations.

All of them had the same initial purpose: reduce a dude in a Yoroi (Armor). Thats why there are no strikes in these martial arts. There is no point in punch a full armoured samurai in a medieval battlefield, in case you cant find your wheapon.

That triangle technique was lacking some important technical detail (he went to the wrong side, legs out of position, no attempt to bring the head down, no attempt at a sweep to armbar) and he didn't even hit an arm bar after his triangle attempt was not working (the other competitor's arm was fully extended). He also didn't even try any escapes at the end (I count 3 that he missed). And no, the video shows he wasn't being prevented from trying them. Kid Peligro says "Now go train jiu-jitsu."

No offense guyz. I admire you all for acquiring this art but let me ask you - Why did you learn martial art? what's your purpose. What are you preparing for in the future (if any)?

Yes, Alexander, you're right. Things are going into the degeneration of human beings. Thinking people that care about the future must find solutions to this decadence. Respect!

What's the difference between brazilian jiu jitsu and Japanese Ju Jitsu?

shaui chiao has joint locks not so much groundwork but its compared more to judo than jujutsu. Some claim its the mother art of jujutsu. Although there is a sport form the art itself is designed for combat and throws are intended to land opponents on thier head to break their necks, they also strike and attack vital targets on the body and train to grab flesh vs gi.

Judo=how to get the fight to the ground. Jiu Jitsu= what to do when when the fight goes to the ground.

@danmunners Don't be silly. So-called "street fighters" don't make a routine of bringing armed gangs. There are plenty of guys who like to brawl without any specific training for it. But if you expect them to behave like a ring fighter, i.e., hang back, figure out an opponent, react intelligently to feigns and so on, you'll generally be mistaken. They behave erratically and if you're in the mindset to dance around for awhile, you can get caught off guard early on and KOed.

but also to be fair, reading wikapedia... When Maeda left japan he was teaching Jiu jitsu but then the government of Japan called it JUDO. but it was originaly Jiu jitsu.here is exerpt from wikapedia "When Maeda left Japan, judo was still often referred to as "Kano jiu-jitsu",[12] or, even more generically, simply as "jiu-jitsu."[

@youmustbetubing YOU ARE 100% INCORRECT!

At 2:45, black gi can push blu gi's head backward by pressing below his ear with his phalanx tip, then bring his legs to catch the head with the feet, and finish by bringing him down to ground while holding the wrist. You had the match there :P it was not illegal since it wasn't punching... it's more like a push with a stingy tip against the soft tissue.

No, I live in Melbourne, Australia and have restarted Judo recently, having previously practised many years ago in my childhood. Their is much ignorance surrounding the history of BJJ. Many casual MMA fans and BJJ players don't know about the introduction of Kano's Kodokan Judo to the Gracies by Maeda. It is a pity when martial artists do not learn the correct history of their art.

you could be right! but seems how the gracie Academy web site states they learned jui jitsu and not judo i think youre wrong.

@carlos0259774 Actually as far as I know IBJJF allows the straight ankle lock (which the guy in the black gi used) for white belts?! at least, that was what I understood when reading the rules. Therefore I did not understand why the fight was stopped at that point

thank you ,i been saying that for ever.in the streets u need martial art to defend yourself ,most fights are not 1 on 1.their buddies always jump in specially when your both on the ground.

Keep in mind that: "what works for you" may not work for somebody else. The approach of "Brazilian" Jiu Jitsu (remember JJ was taken by Maeda to Brazil) and Jigoro Kano's Judo (Maeda was a student of Kano). You can have a friendly sparring session with some Masters in JJ, Aikido and Hapkido. I guess they will be happy to teach you their techniques.

Nice Kesa Gatame :)

@elenchus Kind of like how MMA doesn't let you use small joint manipulation, biting, eye-gouging, groin strikes, etc etc. There's usually a good reason why martial arts prohibit certain techniques. You are not allowed to strike in BJJ tournaments. Does that make BJJ a bad "real world" martial art? Just because one fighting style doesn't allow techniques in competitions is no reason to believe that they don't know how to defend against them or perform them.

i know a lot about chinese martial art but this dude here told me try shuai jiao. i was interested in ground game in ch.m.a.

@elenchus Update since I posted that. I took up judo again at a much better local school. It's much less hardcore, and, as a result, people learn much faster and the skill level is higher. In addition, since they aren't obsessed with competition victory, they don't rely on arbitrary rules nearly so greatly and after class greatly relax what techniques are prohibited.

@ValkyereHowie you could look to do a koryu, or a traditional form of Aikido (eg Yoshinkan). Yes, the focus is on tachi waza, but that's because going to the ground is certain death on the battlefield. That said, the principles still work on the ground, it just depends on what you want from your martial arts studies. It *is* sad that Jigoro Kano isn't as well known as Helio Gracie, but those who seek will find the truth. Gambatte.

@thepushfitzy I agree a lot of Judo players dont mind giving up their backs. I used to do it,now I know to S-mount when others do. It has a lot to do with the whole time alotted thing. When you say,"get to that position", do you mean you are in Kesa gatame,or have it on someone. Because properly executed, you arent giving up your back. Ive actually submitted much larger guys in that position with a trunk strangle.

hes yellow belt meaning hes still a beginner.. 6 months to 1 yr under his belt in judo... so i think this video says it all..

The Judo guy only had a yellow belt. Yellow belts are novices also. I would say it would be equivalent to maybe a one stripe BJJ practitioner. The Judo guy has a good newaza base skill set, and if he is in a school that focuses on newaza, he will always be a strong contender against BJJ folks.

The average person that does not practice any forms of martial arts may believe that Judo and Jui-Jitsu are the same thing. This is probably because they sound, and sometimes look, very similar. But, in fact, Judo and Jui-Jitsu are two different types of martial arts. Not because you heard that "Judo" from the same and "Ju" from Jujutsu which means "Gentle" it'll give you the rights to say that is the same thing. I'm not saying that, my BJJ coach and the whole Google can tell so.

pretty much what he said, the main difference i could think of between judo and bjj is youll be in trouble if a bjj ifghter pulls you to the ground and into his guard, he can destroy you there, however, fighting a judo guy means you might not even survive the fall plus they are monsters on the ground as well, judo was created for war not as a sport.

way to go.....Ude Garami....to the rescue

you said yourself that longer arms legs can help and thats all I meant . Ive been into JUdo for 20 yrs and regularly go to BJJ too and as I am of stocky build my strength can easily be negated by someone with longer limbs ! . Skill and technique matters more though as you rightly pointed out .

the best MA for today modern situation ( in my opinion) are: Muaythai (cardio + body conditioning), Kali/Silat (weaponry, they used improvised modern tools) and Parkour (escape mechanism )

@danmunners Pretty good reasoning. This why I am the second best runner on my Cross Country team and Track Teams in long distance to middle distance running and train BJJ. If I am in a street fight, not likely, I am aiming for the nuts or solar plexus of the guy, putting my shoulder into the punch and getting the hell out of dodge. BJJ is for fun/"Play" fights with friends for me. Running is what is going to save my life in a very unlikely street fight.

@BlackShinobiShozoku thanks

@BlackShinobiShozoku yap, that's true. My coach is a 6th degree belt in Judo and a Master of Sports in Sambo (aka 2nd-3rd degree black belt). He trains his students 50% standup and 50% newaza. These Judokas/Sambists go on to win against top level BJJ guys all the time. American Judo is horrible in newaza but BJJ guys definitely woke them up. Now many Judo clubs are getting back to newaza... about time.

@patrickhenrysghost Kesa isn't all that great of a hold to use on a good BJJ guy. It gives up the back, which the judo players (black and brown belts)I have wrestled with, don't mind giving up so much. In fact, though BJJ and Judo come from the same origin, kesa isn't focused on much in BJJ and is thought of as a less superior technique. When I get to that position I use an under hook to the outside arm. This makes it really tough for your opponent to move around.

@BlackShinobiShozoku ok thanks bro I appreciate it.

you faced a BJJ guy who couldnt pull guard

Technically it isn't, but it is heavily based on a Japanese system; it's not like they came up with it themselves. I personally think (although I haven't have much experience with either) that the only significant difference is the way that students are trained to use the moves.

@Blackouttsi2 Yeah it could have been becasue when you cross the knee you "reap the knee" which is illegal

Wow, What an Americana.

Respond to this video... I didnt say he was kosen. I said he was kosen type. from wiki "Kosen Judo has the same throws and other techniques as Judo but it emphasizes newaza (ground techniques)" "Maeda was one of five of Judo's top groundwork experts" case and point

BJJ came *out of* Judo, but the system it descends from went *into* Judo looking pretty much like original BJJ. Kano didn't have nothin to do with it, except to see its worth and Borg it.

well said ssjbriguy

@thepushfitzy They are both novices. And he DID do a great job. BlackShinobi,working submissions from pins is by far the best way to beat BJJ guys. I'd recommend working on throws and landing into Kesa Gatame. Good stand-up= land into uber dominant position+lots of time to think about what you are doing while putting your opponent in a 100% defensive position.

Exactly. For exemple you face more than one opponent BJJ is useless cause you have to avoid ground fighting. A striking style is better. But if you fight a single opponent BJJ become the best chance you have to beat an even bigger opponent. But if you face 2 or more you need a hit and run style. Krav maga, Boxing or Muay thai are your best chance to leave the place alive. To be complete I'd say learn BJJ, Muay Thai and add Krav Maga for dirty fighting (nails in the eyes, kick in the balls...)

@BlackShinobiShozoku This is 100% spot on. I remember when I practiced Judo I came across alot of well lets just say "ignorant" people(although what I want to call them is something more obscene ;) ), who claimed that BJJ was invented w/o the help or influence of Japan.

Degeneration of human culture is universal in modern times. Globalisation is working, yes, but instead of us exchanging values from our cultures, we're witnessing the disappearance of tradition and human norms worldwide. We've got two choices: one, to accept the way things are going; or two, to Think of a solution.

I'd like to see practitioners of grappling and wrestling martial arts practice striking martial arts as well (and vice versa). You're at a great disadvantage if your opponent is much stronger than you, and it's very difficult to defeat multiple attackers. That said, it's very effective in 1 on 1 fights and against weapons, hence the reason that striking martial arts should train in it as well. It's best to be well rounded.

@BlackShinobiShozoku I once cross trained at a good judo school and everyone had that mentality. I'd be tapping them out left and right wit leg locks of various kinds and they'd just chill and after tapping say "didn't count." It's the ground fighting equivalent of TKD rules. No punches to face! So I'll just learn to never defend against face punches and train that mentality daily.

@danmunners Precisely. You learn to fight under very specific conditions. Besides, fighting other trained fighters has almost nothing to do with fighting people who know nothing. You could entertain separate martial arts for each if you wished. You must constantly fight against people from different styles, or even different individuals from each style, even when you're subjected to their rules each time.

do you realize that judo newaza come from jujutso right ?

La verdad que el de azul lucho muy bien me encanto muy buen shushigatame se mando :D

Nice ude-garami from kesa gatame. The only Kimura I know is the one that beat Gracie.

No need to call him an idiot. He has some logic to his statement but just not logical enough to be accurate.

I have been practicing japanese jiujitsu for 6 years now, I am 20, and it is not a sport it is a combat art. The whole idea bdhind jjj was to defence and mangle or kill your opponent, we train stricking (but we are not as good as a pure stricker, we train grappling and throwing but are not as good as grapplers of judokas. It is one of the most completed martial arts in the world. Also I have done Boxing kickboxing, wrestling, judo, and mma. Going back to mma when I get my brown belt :p

White-belt power wohoo. GJ by the Judoka though