September 2003. I completed Jedi Academy on PC. I still remember that final part where Kyle says to Jaden “There’s a whole galaxy out there, ready to get back out there?” 11 Year old me was excited, thinking of all they could do with the next instalment….. 19 Years later, I’m still waiting…..

17:48 Fun fact. because they decided to turn the short range Disruptor Rifle into the only sniper in Outcast, and kept it in Academy Luke's academy just hands out a banned warcrime weapon to its students at the start of each level if you so choose it.

One of my favorite things in Jedi Outcast was when the rain hit the saber. I'm still blown away by the fact that game came out in 2002.

I swear Patrician just got his hands on every original Xbox game I played as a child and dedicated himself to making videos on all of them

Fun Fact: In Jedi Academy, during the training mission, you can attack Kyle and Rosh. Attacking Rosh kills him after a few hits, but attacking Kyle makes him hostile and the fight starts. Sadly a Game Over screen comes up after about 10 seconds, but that's enough time to see that Kyle will kick your ass

I feel like Jedi Academy's story had the components to be a lot better. I wish they'd given us a few missions with Rosh, so that they could develop him as a genuine feeling friend of Jaden's, and make him seem like less of a useless, irritating schlub.

Jaden's lore after Academy is pretty wild. Basically, Jaden fights in the Second Galactic Civil War, meets time-travelling Jedi and Sith from the time of The Old Republic MMO, and discovers a lost cloning facility once sponsored by Thrawn. Oh, and at the end of it all, he 'dies' and gets his mind transferred into a clone body.

Ahh, the nostalgia. I never finished the singleplayer for Academy but I played the hell out of the multiplayer. My favourite was the backwards stab with the lightsaber, after taking a few hits I'd turn and run as if I was running away and they'd chase and basically just walk into your lightsaber. Worked every time, except all the times it didn't

15:48 The best part about the bad guys in Jedi Academy is that Tavion's second-in-command is Twi'lek Azula.

Something just pulls you into Jedi Academy and Outcast, not sure what. Every now and then you just have to replay them. Spice them up with mods a little and enjoy. Still has the best saber combat out there. If there ever was a game to remake or continue, man oh man... If the people in power would realize that. They could make a new Skyrim if it continued to be as open to mods as it was in the old days.

These games are phenomenal. The directional lightsaber combat in tandem with a variety of situational force powers makes the multiplayer especially fun.

One thing I'll say about the 'old guy' is that this is one of those situations where knowing a bit more about old star wars helps, granted it's dumb needing to know out of game shit to get a character (But that's what happens when you use something pre-existing.) but Ragnos is a pretty important figure in old star wars.

Oh man, there were some funny parts in this video. "Jayden are you okay?" He asked calmly, immediately after just screaming in terror and falling, after... not saving himself for some reason? Also, the massive montage of mook murder juxtaposed with the classic "but killing is wrong" line XD

Man I remember how many hours I spent as a kid playing Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Outcast. Was a sheltered kid so no walkthroughs in those days - best hope was to talk it over with friends and hope they were able to figure out some clue I missed or vise versa. The early teen years were then filled with making maps for Jedi Academy. I never got very good at it but some of my best creative memories came from making those maps and playing them with friends.

My favorite run in Academy was giving myself the fists "weapon" and just beating the hell out of everything with lots of force usage too to mix things up

Personally I love the realistic saber combat setting but I only put it 2 instead of 3. At 2 it makes so a clean swing that dismembers or slice through the body will kill but grazing hits will do damage but not kill. So it adds the tension and deadly nature that a light saber fight should have, but still makes you focus on fighting properly and getting good hits as just flailing around will leave you open to a clean strike from the enemy and killing you. Also feels really cool to purposely target the arm with a swing and see it fly off.

I haven't played too far into outcast (though I'd like to complete it sometime!) but I replay academy every couple of years. Love that game

9:08 And he's actually voiced by Billy Dee Williams, which is great.

The strong lightsaber style is overpowered in Academy. The overhead slash breaks through any defense, is easy to use and doesn't leave you vulnerable as it has the biggest reach. However, you should first pick the fast style and then get the strong style instead of opting for the saberstaff / dual wield.

Saber combat made perfect sense once you got the hang of it. At first it appears "chaotic" but once you got the hang of the keyboard + mouse movement it was actually genius. Moving forward would perform a downward strike which would cut through your enemy performing a sweeping strike BUT was hard to hit. Moving left or right would preform a sweeping strike which was easier to hit but open to being countered. I think the Author of this video labelling this as chaotic speaks more to their inexperience or misunderstanding of the Saber combat. A good duellist will best someone spamming attacks 99/100 times

Dark side ending was also great because it really shows Kyle's character. Sort of like Obi Wan and Anakin, but less extreme. He really does feel like he let Jaden down and feels responsible for it as well. Good stuff.

I played Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy collectively for over 10 maybe even 15 years. Made many good friends I still talk to today. There was a fairly big competitive scene for Saber duels, and everyone knew the names of the best saberists. I don't mean to brag, but I was one of them too. I would hope so though, as long and as much as I played. I never played movie battles though. The Saber combat in multiplayer feels quite different from in single player. It is very deliberate once you start to really learn how to play. All about countering and reading your opponent. I miss those days. Probably the peak of my gaming life with all the people I met and the fun we had.

I was in High scool in 2002 when Jedi Outcast came out. It blew me away, the story, the characters the gameplay, the visuals and sound. Everything a perfect Star Wars game should be. I miss the 2000's...

These together with the KotOR games are my favorite Stat Wars games and among my favorite games of all time.

I remember spending so much time on Jedi Academy in multiplayer as a kid. It was grand, and the first real online multiplayer experience I had.

I used to play Outcast and Academy all the time when I was younger. Recently got the games for my Switch. Good times and good memories. God I miss the old canon.

Probably my favorite Star Wars game ever it was the 1st game that ever really made me feel like a jedi with powers

Patrician coming in clutch to beat civvie to this title lol Holy shit, someone who actually calls them "Saber staves" ! A true Xmas miracle lol

I absolutely loved your 'inferior cannon' notes. Also Jedi Academy was my first video game back in 2004. I have played through it numerous times on many platforms, including each of my PCs and laptops over the years, my PS4 and even a smartphone. An interesting fact: Jedi Academy on smartphone is only playable with realistic saber combat. And it is super fun. With touchscreen limitations you only get one proper hit before an enemy overwhelms you, so you have to be really quick and precise.

As long as we're talking about the old canon, saying something isn't very "Jedi like" doesn't make much sense. Its made pretty clear in all old canon that Luke is just making shit up as he goes along in regard to teaching apprentices. He's, in fact, a pretty terrible teacher. The number of times he just leaves his apprentices to fend for themselves is mindblowing. The number of times it has come back to bite him in the ass is also mindblowing. At least in regard to his teaching philosophy, he's consciously making a point to not teach the same way the Jedi of old did. In fact, every time his teaching overlaps with old Jedi teaching, it turns out badly. The younger his apprentices are, for instance, the more likely it is, that they turn to the dark side. Katarn's teaching philosophy is itself pretty much solely informed by him being the biggest badass in the entire galaxy. According to Katarn, abilities like Force Choke and Force Lighting are only evil if you are thinking Dark Side bad thoughts while doing them. So things being not "Jedi like" gets tossed out the airlock just from the simple fact that these are games where you genocide whole populations of stormtroopers and criminals. Katarn's body count alone comes close to Luke's, and he did it the old fashioned way, not using cheater methods such as blowing up the Death Star.

Jedi outcast at this point is only a strange fever dream in my memory.

My favorite thing was rocket ping-pong in academy. Shoot a rocket to a force user, they will push it back, and you push back, then they, then you...you get it...thing is, as I remember, the rocket gets faster with each push, so it's harder catch it each time

i have over 200 hours on this game. it's one of my favorite PC games, probably top 3. why do I have 200 hours? surely, because of MB2 or maybe multiplayer, when it was active? no. the absolute. sheer. joy. of breaking the game. in every way i could. i had so much fun with cheats and messing with commands in singleplayer, it was almost like the best sandbox out there, and i crashed my computer many times. recently i got into speedrunning the game as well, which added even more to the unimaginable amount of fun this game presents. thumbs up from me.

Thanks very much for making this video! you’re responsible for me fully replaying the whole thing in one day - on a higher difficulty than I ever have, successfully completing the dark side playthrough, playing it as a shooter, and finally trying out the sheer delight of Force Grip. I had a blast!!!

When I played academy with realistic saber combat, I killed a sith and during the slow-mo animation the sith's lightsaber touched me and I died as well.

The shocking death knell of Katarn at 22:30 followed by the totally non-chalant "Jaden are you okay?" always had me in fucking stitches.

This is the best christmas gift -I love these games and I strongly enjoy your content

As a person who didnt play many games but loves game reviews, this is the first time somone covered a game that I played beforehand. Good job Patrician.

This brought back so many fond and frustrating memories. I love these games. Thank you so much for creating.

About that wagon in the second Nar-Shaddaa. You can push it from the other side but you need to be very precise in the first person and try to find an opening while hugging the wall and probably jumping. It's tricky and likely an exploit. As a kid, the third level of the game, Artus Mine, took me a month to complete because I didn't realize that you have to drop on the extending pipe under a ledge. After this realization the rest of the level design was trivial. I actually miss this dickish school off level design these days as funny as it sounds. Man, I love Jedi Outcast. The game that introduced me to SW. I watched OT later and had three reaction "oh, so that's where they took the music for the game"

1:54 I'll go a step farther: Raven's "Jedi Knight" games have the best sword combat ever devised for video games. But that's just my opinion. In single-player, it is a bit clunky because the enemies don't fight intelligently. But in multiplayer, against very competent opponents, it becomes a deep game in and of itself. 16:20 This probably wasn't the designers' intention, but: having the ability to skip levels opens up the possibility of a challenge run where your powers never becomes fully upgraded.

That Bespin level was gold back in the day. I don't think I've ever had a gaming experience that paralleled the feeling of awesomness that first time I dueled the dark jedi in that level. It just really made me feel like a Jedi from the movies. I replayed that level probably 5 or 6 six times, it was so fun. Later levels never quite felt as fun for me with the cortosis armor that shorted out your saber. I always ended up needing to switch out to guns to handle some enemies which didn't feel as satisfying as running around like a real jedi with lightsaber and force powers. I never beat the game, nor did I end up playing Academy, but Outcast gave me some wonderful gaming experiences. I'd never heard of or played with lightsaber instakill though, that definitely seems like it would kill the challenge of it.

Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast was my introduction to the Star Wars universe. Until this day, Kyle is still my favorite character. Not knowing much about Star Wars, I remember seeing an image of R2D2 on an Arabic Tech Journal, understanding that this was the same universe. months later I see the trailer of Attack of the Clones as it became available on DVD, realizing that it's a movie franchise. I spent the next day at an Internet Cafe torrenting the Episode I, II, IV, V, VI and buying the Episode III DVD after they were available. I miss you Kyle.

Fun fact, you can force push both dumpsters at 8:30 from one side. played this game dozens of times in my life, but ive never done that level the "right way"

3:37 Fun fact, the scripted loss in here isn't a Win-and-then-lose-in-a-cutscene. You HAVE to "Die" in gameplay to progress the game without a level select cheat. So if you turned on invincibility and an early lightsaber because your 10 year old self couldn't beat the earlier AT-ST gauntlet without cheating, you're shit out of luck, Desann is 100% invincible and so are you, so you can't progress.

Outcast and Academy were some of the seminal games of my childhood. Academy multiplayer back in 2003-2007 was an incredibly vibrant community with loads of mods, competitions, communities, guilds. I joined a clan myself and quickly became one of its leaders. We had a Jedi Council, masters, padawans. We even had our version of people falling to the dark side and trying to take over the clan. Even I fell to the dark side and went on a redemption arc. And none of it was scripted or play-acted, we had legit friendships, fallouts and make-ups in the game. The mind of a child is truly wonderful, because all of it felt so real, and we took it very seriously, but had tremendous fun at the same time. Those were the days. It was the deepest, most honest and immersive role playing experience I ever had.

lol that 21:47 "What Happens If You Fall Into Jupiter" reference was awesome

Splendid critique. Good job pointing out the dickishness of the of the Nar Shaddaa levels. I used to think less of them, but I've grown to appreciate the weird, nonsensical level design, over time. It's a commitment to engaging the player and making them think that you just don't see, nowadays. Same with the early, lightsaber-less levels. Academy is definitely weaker on the story front, although, considering the short development time, I'm impressed they delivered as much as they did. While turning to the Dark Side yields a hilariously over-the-top evil Jaden, it offers a very compelling finale, giving you the chance to literally turn against your former player character - somewhat rightly so, as a result of questionable teaching/parenting - and teases a more compelling villain than Tavion ever was, for the supposed next game. I've long fantasized about what a Jedi Academy 2, with an evil Jaden as the antagonist, might look like. As a minus, I feel like some of the stuff they added, in Academy, ended up being fluff, that cluttered the game. The saber katas, for instance, while fun to execute, the first couple times, are pretty useless and overly flashy, for the most part. The simplicity of Jedi Outcast's combat was what made it work. Speaking of, I do think that, in the right hands, g_saberrealisticcombat enhances the saber fights, instead of breaking them. It's true that most people try to cheese their way out of every fight, with cheap moves - like the ctrl+w+click fast style one, that even the NPCs spam - but if you try to work with the system, instead of against it, the combat yields some deliciously spectacular results. I used to give myself Tavion's fighting style, spawn 100 Reborn, and just try to survive, while emulating as much of the fighting style of the Prequels, as I could. At some point, every frame becomes a painting... ...until you make a mistake and lose to the last pathetic Reborn left. Paradoxically, what made the combat system great is that there *was* no combat system. Not in the modern sense. No counter button, no reliable blocking, scripted finishers, quick time events or smart/auto-hit attacks. Everything was as manual as an old-school fighting game, which made the combat extremely clunky, but also provided absolute freedom, in how you approached it. Every player was left to find their own way to make it work, and whereas newer games might funnel you to playing a certain way, Jedi Outcast/Academy just let you play and figure out your own style, along the way. There are countless quirks that are still ingrained in my brain and that inform my personal fighting style; and even though I haven't played the game in years, those quirks would come back instantly, if I booted up the game again. And I'm sure other players have their own unique tactics and quirks. Anyway, it warms my black heart to see videos about Jedi Outcast/Academy still being made. Also nice to be among fellow Jedi Knight enthusiasts. May the Force be with all of you, A pleb who likes spectacle.

Amazing how the entire Dark Forces and Jedi knight franchise is superior in writing to anything disney has done in almost one decade. At the time its was just an ok history.

multiplayer in jedi outcast was soooooo fun. maps were creative and combat was wonky but had so many options to experiment with. really miss it and crazy how no games really built on the combat moving forward after jedi academy... singleplayer was classic too.

Great review! I enjoyed the video and your commentary. Brings back the nostalgia!!

Another amazing review, thanks and merry Christmas! Hopefully this means KOTOR 1 and 2 (especially 2) will get reviews in the future too, that'd be incredible

Man, we'll never get incredible sandbox games like this again. The Force Unleashed and Fallen Order tried, admirably, but I think there's just something missing from them.

The multiplayer for this game is still alive and kicking, highly recommend everyone to give it a shot!

That scene at the bar when you finally get to cut loose with your sabre: top tier gaming moment 😎

Thanks for the plug man! enjoyed the video, love seeing new vids on this amazing series.

Multiplayer lightsaber fight in Academy is the most technical thing in the world. You really don't imagine how.

The combat is kind of janky with jumping on people’s heads and choke spamming, but figuring those tricks out as a kid and then being able to steamroll through levels absolutely made me feel like the ultimate Jedi, and I’ve loved this game ever since.

Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays / Etc. Thanks for the video!

I love that you keep covering these types of games.

I played Academy in summer 2019 last time and I decided to go with Dark Side (though I made a save file before the decision so I could do Light Side as well later) and it was so much more interesting but also harder. It was one of my childhood games but I never even considered Dark Side before.

I love both games since they came out, regularly play them and enjoy eternal vibe they are surrounded by.

The base commander on Dosuun should have been the villain of the game

A surprise to be sure! Watching this while waiting for the family to gather around the tree. Merry Christmas

Holy crap, the nostalgia. I never did make it past the level were you start off in a ship. Several hours of trying and I never figured out where to go lmao

These games were my childhood games. Awesome games. Also the movie battles 2 mod is probably the best multiplayer Star Wars game ever.

13:22 I like the detail here where you force pushed the civie out of the way so it wouldn't get caught in the middle of your fight

I love your videos bro keep it up!! And I cant wait till you can increase the frequency

in terms of the combat - single player feels very different that multiplayer - for those that love competitive gaming and dueling, the combat feels very different and the skill/knowledge of the game requires a decent amount of dedication to hold your own! You said it doesn't feel deliberate, but in multiplayer everything has to be deliberate! :D

I kinda wish we had either re-makes or more games in the vein of these. Hell even one where we get to see the Sith Empire instead of a third re-hashing of the galactic empire. I agree to that they don't flesh out darkside characters besides, evil for evil's sake.

Jedi academy was on the pc at my local library when I was a youngin. I remember running there after school everyday to play it. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

i cant tell you how many times i played jedi academy as a kid i owe my knowledge of and interest in star wars to it, mostly it was just so much fun to me , and some parts - the linear nature of the levels, the power fantasy and ease of getting lightsaber and powers early on - were what made it so enjoyable to me even watching it now is making me want to replay some of those levels …

19:43 I mean Tavion's also got a limited amount of stolen power to dole out and her users may also need to grow in power slowly as they get used to the artificial force-roids.

8:00 There seem to be something wrong with your game. I clearly remember that any force-usable objects in both Jedi Knight games were highlighted by a blue glow around the crosshair. Which of course doesn't really save the maze like structure of that level, but generally helped because you're just trained to interact with any object that makes your crosshair glow. Same goes for destructible objects, I'm pretty sure they supposed to make your crosshair red just like enemies do.

We used to play Jedi Academy at LAN parties. Run around and duel each other with lightsabers, super fun.

That guy from Skyrim! That scene of that guys voice has been haunting me for years! Rosh somehow got stuck in Skyrim with memory loss!

I'm convinced Patrician actually is Todd Howard pitch shifting his voice lower. Not much lower mind you.

17:21 and even if you don't manage the wrist flick, after breaking your force grip they will literally turn their lightsaber off and on letting you execute them then and there.

I still remember that first dark jedi, and how he jumped at me, I force pulled him while he was in the air, and he went flying down the pit. It was so hilarious.

Hearing the sounds of the stormtroopers dying, after all these years, brought back so much nostalgia and a smile to my face 😏

28:02 all his friends are dead, he runs helplessly, unarmed, from a maniac, and then says “wE g0T eM”

GREATEST "Sin" of Academy: They took ALL achievements of Luke and made some green horn to surpass them in first few days of being Jedi. - Luke fought Rancor. Padawan fought 3 (third is HUGE mutated) - Luke destroyed 2 speeders. Padawan at least 6. - Luke killed 1 Wampa. Padawan killed 3 etc etc

In console commands spawn a rancor and have it eat Kyle on darth vaders castle, after that he’ll run around as a pair of legs kicking and force pushing enemy’s, it’s hilarious

"and her beating Kyle is a sign of her growth as his apprentice" *played over footage of Jaden getting her ass kicked by Kyle* lol

1:51, I don't know what you mean by "tenuous" here. Out of all the Star Trek games released at that time I could name maybe two bad ones. By 2002 you had Armada 2, Elite Force, Bridge Commander, Starfleet Command, Away Team, Birth of the Federation, 25 Anniversary and more. There was a period between 1992 and 2004 when nearly every Star Trek game released by two separate publishers was amazing. Have you played any of those games?

Merry Christmas!

Nice review on JO and JKA! Well done mate! Jedi Academy is still my fav Star Wars game in terms of competitive lightsaber duels and Speedrunning. So many good memories and friendships because of this game.

15:30 Every time I hear that voice I'm reminded of Rosh

I really love/hate that dune mission in academy lol I spent a good amount of time figuring out what to do as a kid and it just became a good thrill trying to bait the worms out for fun

Force Grip is more than OP. You can crunch an enemy directly into the ground, use stormtroopers as meat shields, and if you jump and fling an enemy directly up into the air, the fall damage will usually kill them- this even works on high-level Reborn.

Merry Christmas, these are somehow the most nostalgic games for me, can't wait to watch.

"I don't know why we would need 5 buttons to do this one action..." Hexen called and says hello.

played so much of Outcast multiplayer, and never understood Academy multiplayer, because it restricted the saber movement too much (you can't do stuff like spin your character while doing a back swing)

I like the idea of realistic saber combat. But the problem is that, as you pointed out, combat in these games is crazy as hell. We can't really fight the way Jedi would, so having us not simply get killed by the first strike is a good way to help compensate. It makes the duels seem properly epic and challenging the way a lightsaber battle between two force users should actually be.

I was world champion in this game for 2 years. I miss those days, when I still hand fantastic hand-eye coordination.

I got Academy when I was young. Boy did I had a blast with that game, especially the multiplayer! The siege style was awesome, so was CTF with JK+ installed (Force grip kicking people was so satisfying!!!). Really glad you made that video, it brings me back

What a thing to wake up to wow what a great video I never got to play these gems but they look really good very unique have you ever thought about doing a review on Kotor??

new patrician reviews? must be christmas.

the kejim mission and the doomgiver detention level are like the biggest nostalgia slaps i could ever get, so much memories of me as a lil kid playing this awesome video game!

I love the repeated comments of “Clearly the inferior cannon”. LOVE the snark