Drawer labeled “Drawer”. You kill me Jeff. Now it needs a label pointing to the label, that says “Drawer Label”.

I bought the Pi 5 + PoE HAT + NVMe Base thanks to this video, cheers! The lack of a proper enclosure inspired me to learn to design a custom case for it in Fusion 360. It took a lot longer than I expected going in (3 days 😅) and I'm at version 68 now, but I learned a ton and I'm really happy with the result! My goals were: - A perfect fit for the Pi 5 + Waveshare PoE HAT + Pimoroni NVMe base stack - No taking apart the stack to mount it, just slot it right in and have the case hold it in place - 75x75mm VESA mounting points so you can mount the case anywhere: a TV, a monitor, wall, etc. - Plenty of ventilation - Hexagons. Because they're the bestagons. I've also created a 75x75mm VESA to DIN rail adapter to mount the Pi sideways, sized to perfectly center this case on the rail to take up the least amount of horizontal space in my utility closet. I plan on eventually getting another two of these Pi stacks to put on the rail next to the first so I can have my own PoE powered, SSD-booted cluster to run Kubernetes on 😄 I've published the 3D model for the custom case for free on MakerWorld, and it's also CC-BY-NC-SA licensed so feel free to remix it! makerworld.com/en/models/413567#profileId-315577 The print profile I used is included, so if you have a Bambu Lab printer you can print one with a couple clicks. I recommend PETG in general (sturdier than PLA) and I used white Creality PETG myself at 0.2mm layer height. If you don't have a 3D printer, there are plenty of online services and local enthusiasts who could print it for you. Check out /r/3Dprintmything. This was my most complex design to date, so I'm looking forward to any feedback or remixes from the community! Full disclosure: the model is completely free to download, but the download count stats do support me through MakerWorld's points system.

I have a PI cluster with 4xPI5-8gb with these PoE hats. I’m very satisfied with it.

Honestly, "black magic" is a pretty apt description of PoE. The latest PoE++ specification supports pushing up to 99.9W down 100m of Cat5 cable, which means that even after all the transport losses, the end device still can negotiate to draw up to 71.3W. Additionally, the PoE++ specification supports up to 10GBASE-T speeds, i.e., 10 Gbps Ethernet. If that's not black magic, I don't know what is. (Well, except USB-PD now supporting up to 240W. That's just nuts.)

I was always curious about a PoE pi's power draw. The fact that it idles at 4 watts and stays below 10 watts under load is mind blowing. 15 years ago we were running 100W light bulbs in every lamp in the house. Now we can power 10 mini computers with less power consumption. I feel a lot better about having half a dozen pi running all the time doing various home automation and network storage.

I don't want a PoE hat. I want a hat that says I subbed to Jeff Geerling.

PoE machines are getting really capable nowadays. There was even a PoE mini-PC with the Intel N100 chip from Minisforum at CES that's supposed to be releasing soon.

I run a cluster of 8 raspberry pi4s using Poe in a cluster rack. My favourite twist is I used pxe boot off Synology. It means all the pi does in provide computer and ram. I manage the pxe configs and Poe power cycles using some neat scripts so I can assign hosts to slots and reboot etc

I have a pi4 4GB on POE, and its powering a 5TB 2.5" spinning metal hard drive for "offsite" backups (the woodshed is at least out of the house) Works great.

Fantastic video, I've been waiting for the official PoE hat forever

This is exactly the setup I was looking for.

I want that nvme hat. Not for the cable, but because it has no LEDs. I hate the LEDs, blinking, all night. Waveshare's poe hats are the best, and historically have been the best.

Wonderful! Been looking for a Pi 5 POE solution, and validation that it works -- ordered 2, and they will arrive when I have some time to work with them. Thank you for the very good evaluation!

Thank you for the video. This is something I was looking for.

Awesome work as always.

Thanks Jeff, nice to see the PoE in play, will consider!

I'm glad to see the OpenSUSE shirt!

Jeff, i don't have much input here cause my skills range from mildly below the level in your videos to significantly below lol But, that said, I do wanna say, I just love seeing your messages in reply to people. Genuine, thoughtful responses and discussion. At a channel your size, that's almost unheard of! I hope it doesn't take too much out of you 💜 I'm sure it can be exhausting. But it's appreciated by at least one :]

Thanks, Jeff! My pi5 hat will arrive in a few days, can't wait!

Fascinating and informative, as always - many thanks

Oh, and those little feet are awesome, thanks Pimoroni, PineBerry, please add that to your kit .

I was thinking about buying this same exact hat setup. Now I’m convinced. That tip about upping USB wattage is ace. Thank you!

Been waiting for this the man delivers!!!

Another great video, Jeff. I'm running my Pi5 with the Pimoroni NVME board, the cable is fiddly I found it easiest to connect it to the Nvme board then the Pi and then put the stand-offs in. But I do need the PoE Hat next

I made my own POE pcb :)

Gotta love waveshare!

I'm running a Pi 4 with a PoE hat as the main system for my All Sky Camera. All Sky Camera is a system designed to photograph the night sky, take pictures every 60 seconds, create time lapses, and more. I have a ZWO ASI178mc color CCD camera plugged into USB 3.0 port. Plus a temperature activated 12V dew heater (a custom printed circuit board with a bunch of resistors) to generate heat to melt ice and keep the acrylic dome clear, runs off the PoE hat 12V header that you pointed out in the video. Works great. Not sure I'll upgrade to a Pi 5 as this setup works fine. But yeah amazing to be able to do all of this from a Pi and PoE.

Looking forward to the comparison, especially the powerdraw. Would be interesting to see both poe hats doing the same tasks and a comparison between the powerdraw. If one had less powerdraw, it would mean it was more efficient and thus made less heat..

Good to see solid LRF support for the nVME Base!

For the usb3-nvme i'd go for a usb3-hub in between and grab power from another usb2.0 port for it. Helps those little contacts to less voltage drop and heat/load in the RPi

Finally! I hope this fits in my rack mount

It's nice that they added a 12V header in case you want to run a 12V fan (like a noctua) instead of a 5V one.

I just got my 5 pi5 yesterday!!!! Time to play!!!

PoE! Thanks for the video. You covered everything I would have tested once I reached the "upgrade existing tech" portion of my home lab budget this year. Thank you!

Although a great idea for running a Pi without using a power cube and routing a power cable, I find that PoE hats only run for so long before the fan starts getting noisy and eventually slows down or gives out entirely and I had to replace the fan every few months or so. I've never had a fan run longer than 4 months before having to replace it. I ran my Pi's vertically and horizontally in my rack as well as in an acrylic case vertically mounted to the back of a monitor, but eventually experienced the same issue each time. I ended up redoing most of my Pi's as either VMs and one or two on NUCs or other SFF computers.

I know the first thing i thought about when i seen the title 😂🤦‍♂️

Thanks 👍

PoE hats are really the only way to run a Pi cluster. Otherwise, it's just a mess of cables everywhere. Glad to see 3rd parties taking care of this since Raspberry Pi is so slow to get things out.

I'm just now getting my Pi5 backorder. This looks great, but given the supply uncertainty for Pi5s I think I'm gonna be looking more at the Pi4 hats for my current projects.

Needless to say, loving your OpenSUSE t jeff! :)

I run 4x Pi 4-4GB with Waveshare POE Hat (E) models. They're running into my Unifi UDM Pro SE. I control the POE ports from Home Assistant, and built out a control panel in the HA interface so I can toggle on the ports to boot up my RPis. This is the best solution I could find, since they can't do Wake on LAN.

Oh boy that title, references LOL Another nice video!

Seeing the PoE usage really drives home how much power the pi5 uses. While it's technically still not much power usage that's a bigger number than I expected when I'm building an offgrid power system.

Being an SBC weirdo is the best part! I have 3 GNSS PPS Pi NTP servers (2 Zero 2W and 1 Pi5B 4GB).

I would love to have a PoE HAT with SSD on one hat. Perfect for rack mount servers.

Crazy that it's taking this long for an official PoE and M.2 HAT from Raspberry Pi themselves. What else are their hardware eng team working on thats causing the delay...

Thanks Jeff for another great video! Would you consider to do a review on Vivid Unit? It has PoE built-in, seems too good to be true for such a compact device.

Hey man, love your videos! Would you every do a 19" rack mount review for the pis? Looking for one myself and seem to have difficulties coming up a solution that fits for me...

POE all the things!

Early gang! its a good day when Jeff has uploaded 😁

I want a water cooled PI 5! 8GB running on a ssd!

Why didn’t Red Shirt Jeff trim away a bit of the case and make it fit?

Thanks for the video as I was debating buying these over waiting for the RPi official ones. I cloned the exact previous setup you had. I grabbed the HP version of the same switch. I wonder if the NVMe HAT you used + the PoE hat will fit in the 3D printed rack.

Cool! Does the power clip when it plays Doom?

Hi Jeff, I am s great fan of yours and request you to make some videos on some other boards instead please. We want some alternatives here now since, I don't see the foundation to be heading the same direction as before. Regards

Great video! I am looking for a hat for my pi 4. I plan to add an external ssd over usb. I watched your other video about the official poe+ hat. What do you recommend for my use case? Thank you much.

I love watching your insightful videos. My first project with my pi 5 was to add a 7 inch screen and a m.2 nvme hat. I wanted to trying setting up retropi on it but got a couple errors when finishing the manual install instruction that is on the retropi site. When rebooted I just get the login prompt for the pi. I tried xstart command and startx command. not sure which one is correct. either way I could not get the retropi to work. Any suggestions?

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Well, one thing that seems clear: With short decent Ethernet cables PoE never should be a problem. But it could become an issue when using 5 to 10 meters already, especially if the cables aren't the best quality.

have you seen the geekworm x1004 hat+ dual m.2?

Any chance you could let me know how well the Pi5 with both hats fits into the 3d printed 6 bay rack? That is what I am building this spring.

does the rack at 3:42 fit the bottom board for the SSD along with the POE hat?

I’ll wait for your comparison with RPi’s own PoE Hat.

Can you fit both the PoE hat and the NVMe hat into a rack mount enclosure? I have those same PoE hats on the way, but they barely fit into my rack enclosure, and I've love to run NVMe as well.

Can you tell us all chip markings on that poe hat? Im intrested in chips that are next to transformer and under it

I got really unlucky with the waveshare PoE F hat. Massive coil whine and weird screechy noise when it's powered on, and the cheap little fan started rattling real fast. About to buy another one to test if it was just a bad production batch, and then design and 3D print a mount for a proper bigger noctua fan since there is that 12V header.

Do you know of any case that will support both the ssd and Poe adapter

Yes, Blackmagic has some PoE gear

A quick question can you remove the fan and plug in the three wire fan into the header on he pi then it would control the fan speed.

6:20 Professor Farnsworth: “And here’s where I keep assorted lengths of wire.”

Speaking of Waveshare, I have Waveshare UPS Hat version (D) on RPI 4. If I run command "dmesg", I see a lot of "hwmon hwmon1: Undervoltage detected!". Do you happen to know why that's happening? I use the RPI 4 for Home Assistant with SSD connected in USB, along with a ZigBee coordinator on USB and an air-mouse connected as well in USB.

Anyone noticed that there's no thermal pad for the memory on the official Pi5 active cooler? Favors the wifi module. Interesting.

PoE hat could be use in combo with the Geekworm Raspberry Pi 5 UPS (X1202) or Geekworm X-UPS1 12V/5V?

how do i update the config file to not halt on power like you did but I am running HAOS on the PI? Can I do it remotely?

Great and thorough testing of POE near power source. But, what could one actually do with it? Given your office cabling could you run Pi at remote corner of office? Could the office corner Pi run a room temperature sensor or a Pi camera? Or perhaps both for a science experiment monitoring a small seedling? You have demonstrated that it does improve the cabling at the rack. And that a managed POE switch is useful. Would a Ubiquiti Dream Router POE work as a POE power supply?

After present the price of pi5, i say - dig it! Old minipc rules! Or n100 motherboard/sbc . Pi5 very expensive!

Around 10W at max in your setup? So good to go with standard POE 802.3af?

I want to see Redshirt Jeff wearing a hat with PoE on it trying to plug it in to Ethernet.

What is the best POE hat for the PI4?

I'm trying to set up a fan-less pi5 with an nvme drive, but I need it to run on a 'C' connection, without the wall-wart. Don't know if it will, but that's my aim... I'm shooting for a draw of about 6 watts? Linux, with VDE in a dosbox, for word processing; that's my aim.

I was just asking for something like this!! Now I have to update to RPi 5? lol And Jeff, were you able to use the 1U rack mount with both PoE and nvme HATs?

Damn you Jeff, you have cost me so much money. The power of marketing’. You show stuff and I’m like oh ya i need that and proceed to order. I have so much stuff just lying around now. I blame you Jeff lol. Love the videos and all the information

Can the Pi wear the PoE hat backwards, like the cool kids? 😊 Great video, a wealth of knowledge. Keep it up! My pi5 is running pihole, home assistant, UniFi network, a NAS, and a few other services. Using the pineberry pi NVME base. One video that would be helpful to the community (perhaps you’ve done it already) is a compatibility test on which NVME drives work with which NVME hats/bases. With Pineberry Pi, I couldn’t use WD Black SN850 series, I had to resort to some off brand NVME device. Don’t remember the name.

I think i'm gonna get one, when i got my python datalogging for my 12x coolers running.. Maybe even an external one. Then i dont have to care about power failure in my room (or EMO) and can send out alert mails while IT still has backup power running.

I'd really like to test PoE on Pi5 8Gb using a PCIe nvme drive hat and running a local LLM at full CPU.

Have you tried using F2FS on your SSD? I'm curious if that would make it any faster. Also, try using FDE since the new Pi has AES acceleration.

Hi Jeff, Is there a case available for this configuration you think?

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I have added a Pimoroni NVMe drive kit. I noticed the Pi 5 CPU temperature has increased (+10 degrees C) possibly conducting additional heat from the bottom NVMe board. I recently watched your video on the Pi Camera module 3 Wide Angle. The camera does make excellent photos, but I can not get the VLC Media Player to play any of the videos produced unless I use terminal command ffplay *.h264 or *.mjpeg. I think maybe VLC needs to be configured in a special way. The Pi 5 is 8g with the Pimoroni -NVMe board added. I have not been able to solve this issue. If you know the answer, please let me know. Thanks..............

Seams that pmic_read_adc is not avaibale in last version od piOS. Any similar command?

My concern is the GPIO header pins sticking out the top, and figuring a case it'll all fit into... After my Google searches led me to this particular hat still being apparently the only one available, I searched KZfaq and ended up here. Could I just cut those pins off flush with the top of the board?

Is it possible to use this in addition to the USB-C power supply? Mainly as a redundancy measure.

One problem some of these third-party hats have is a lack of isolation. Did you try connecting the PoE powered Pi to a monitor with HDMI?

Is there a case to fit the pi5 with Poe hot and nvme base?

I do not get only one thing. Why this PoE hat does not have 3 wires. PWM fan would be a nice thing to have that could be controlled via some Python 3 script.

But is the RPi5 not getting close to the price of an Intel Nuc (with vPro), and the Nuc can be powered using an POE splitter.

This like a network attach storage sulution? They work reliably?

Hey Jeff, Did you by any chance have a case for this setup? Have the NVME Base and the PoE Hat. Cant seem to find a case for it

Ahh yes. The thing I wanted the most in my raspberry PI is being able to shut it off remotely through PoE, especially that it's running a custom file server with its own virtual filesystem I wrote and have no idea how a sudden loss of power would affect it's integrity...

What model of Aruba switch is that?