Job, Satan, & God: The Book of Job with Derek Thomas

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The book of Job begins by introducing us to its three most significant characters: Job, Satan, and God. In this message, Dr. Derek Thomas explores the difficulty of Job’s suffering, Satan’s involvement, and God’s sovereignty in all things.
This message is from Derek Thomas' 12-part teaching series The Book of Job. Learn more: www.ligonier.org/learn/series...

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@ligonier 3 жыл бұрын

This message is from Derek Thomas' 12-part teaching series The Book of Job. Watch the entire series: www.ligonier.org/learn/series/the-book-of-job/

@denonjoka8848 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lingonier Ministries & May Our Great Almighty God Bless Yu So Very Much.🙏🙏

@sarahubert130 Жыл бұрын

I wish this man of God gave for free what he received for free. Struggling with a son with a terminal sickness and struggling financially. It was a blessing to hear the first part of these series. and when i look for more blessing i found out the rest of the sermons are locked and have to be purshased for $40. I guess those are only for the not struggling ones.😕

@EncouragingChristFollowers 3 жыл бұрын

The most hated attribute of God by an unbeliever is his sovereignty. But it is His holy sovereignty that gives his children the most peace.

@tammywisecup5634 3 жыл бұрын

Good point, never heard that before.

@taylor-bh8re 2 жыл бұрын

I have actually, literally, just experienced that very thing in an evangelism encounter with a man that lasted roughly 2 hours, debating God's sovereignty, His holiness and our obligation as His creatures to worship Him and Him alone. Needless to say, this fellow did not like me very much at all. He seemed to pity me because I live my life on such a narrow path, but what's even worse, in his opinion, is that I so arrogantly impose that belief on so many "innocent" bystanders. Obstinate: "you must come back with us!" Pilgrim : "that can by no means be. You dwell in the city of destruction which will be burned with fire. I cannot go back with you!"

@joedunn1757 Жыл бұрын

The holiness of God is mentioned most about God in the bible.we would be in trouble if God was sovereign

@donharris8846 8 ай бұрын

By definition, an nonbeliever (what you call an unbeliever) does not believe in a God; therefore hating anything that you don’t believe in is nonsensical

@margrose5 5 ай бұрын

That is true.

@garfieldbraithwaite8590 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes the KZfaq algorithm is the Hand of God. This is exactly what I needed today. God bless you for this wonderful resource

@jessyjonas4988 3 жыл бұрын

" ...the Lord gave the Lord has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord." Job 1:21✝️ We rest in the safety and soverignity Of God. Lord help us to Know you as friend

@kenbellchambers4577 2 жыл бұрын

'Though He slay me, yet will I love Him.' Job is heroic and an example to us all. And as both Shakespeare and Swedenborg said, 'All the world is a stage, and we are players thereon'. One day, if we are counted worthy, all our tears will be wiped away and we will then see how our suffering has tempered us and made us shine. Then we will not be players on a stage any longer, but real and permanent.

@ralphrotten9030 3 жыл бұрын

Job is the clearest representation of the gospel in the OT. It takes us back to pre-mosaic law and covenant. Pre-abrahamic covenant. We see in Job’s experience that fallen humanity is utterly incapable of accurately identifying his deepest need which is for unrighteous man to be made righteous by an outside force in order to be reconciled to a righteous God. It’s a relevant message today because the church in our generation has grossly neglected the USE of the Law in preaching the gospel. In Job’s case, pre-law, God used calamity to lead Job to recognize his greatest need was to be right with God, requiring an advocate. The law was later given as Gods tool to bring humanity to same revelation. When the Law is abandoned........ God will mercifully “resort” to calamity. But the law is FAR more affective and WAY less painful.

@bettyh7586 3 жыл бұрын

I loved hearing this whole set of sermons by Pastor Thomas. This was so comforting, and created greater understanding.

@alfrazz1799 2 жыл бұрын

What is comforting in the reading of a "blameless, Godly" man who God turns over to Satan to unleash untold suffering upon.

@bettyh7586 2 жыл бұрын

@@alfrazz1799 remember that in it all, Job was never left alone. God was with him throughout. Also notice the pride of Job was brought to humility. We can go to God and fight with Him all we want, but God is still Sovereign. We don’t dictate to Him our demands in this life. We all must come to that place of humility and trust in the One True God.

@alfrazz1799 2 жыл бұрын

@@bettyh7586 Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Using my ability to think and reflect (made possible by the brain God has bestowed upon me), cannot square justice with an unjust act by referring to any sovereign status. Contradictions are often explained by reference to mysterious ways, sovereignty or divinity. Consider the profound cruelty of the Spanish Inquisition justified by the sovereign power of Ferdinand and Isabella.

@coydixon8268 Жыл бұрын

The book of Job is the one book I need to pay more attention to

@infiniti28160 Ай бұрын

Before Adam ate from the tree of Knowledge he was sovereign as being in contact with the most high, and the story of job, is a lesson in what happens when one is without sovereignty of mind. Within the book it also points towards where the laws of heaven are depicted, and this is the crux, if you understand the laws in heaven you will understand what sovereignty of mind entails. The celestial sphere, your life, your psyche is mapped out and written upon the stars. In the creation story, of seven days, to create the world in seven days, one needs to reference a construct, and this construct is how time came into being. If you want to understand how it ends, you need to find out where it began, as the snake eats its own tail.

@denonjoka8848 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Pst. Derek Thomas *4 This Powerful, Blessful, Deep Sermon on "Job, Satan & God: The Book of Job" Where Yu Pst. Derek Thomas Has Focused on The Book of Job 4 Truly Our Great Almighty God Gives & Our Great Almighty God Takes Away 4 Blessed Be The Name of The LORD Written In Job **1:21* & May Our Great Almighty God Bless Yu Pst. Derek Thomas & Lingonier Ministries So Very Much 4 I Have Been Blessed.🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

@djcraigg69 3 жыл бұрын

Look forward to the 2nd part of this.

@eileendunkley5086 3 жыл бұрын

Glory to God!

@mirandarogers3595 2 жыл бұрын

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

@juanitagartley937 2 жыл бұрын

I'm here in hopes of understanding God and Satan's relationship at that time......nobody never talks about this.

@kimberlypalmer947 2 жыл бұрын

I've always asked that

@BingoNamo-gb8pz 8 ай бұрын

Did you find the answer? Balaam is similar in that he practiced divination yet he seemed to have a close relationship with God & only cursed men if given permission by God. You read about him in Deuteronomy 23, but in Jude he is spoken of negatively as a cautionary tale of a present day false teacher.

@loganhunter1372 3 жыл бұрын

Thank u sir..bless you

@darciawtrey2600 9 ай бұрын

Perfectly said.

@sheephills510 3 жыл бұрын

It’s important to understand The Cross. It was ABBA up there! The Most High God, Perfect in all His Ways, showed us The Way to paradise. Do not be deceived! He is not willing that ANY (of His Own) should perish but have everlasting life. Prayer is key. The “LOVE” of God is The Way for His Seed(s)...Matt 13:37...Ears to Hear 🙏🔑✌️

@jwillisbarrie 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for adding actual captions for the Deaf

@jd-jw8hm 9 ай бұрын

Hallelujah..😔

@robertburke9920 4 ай бұрын

For a breakthrough understanding of the Book of Job, see the Novel "Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke." Moses was open to higher ground. Are seminary and church leaders open to higher ground? No? Be like Moses, then. Enjoy the breakthrough!

@constantinbara2783 2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

@asiaking9422 Жыл бұрын

I LOVE JOB, BUT JESUS FIRST

@harrietnew1537 2 жыл бұрын

Its good to read the" Present with Religion", a book for free on ths internet.The book is about the truth of life and it shows the full picture of life for the first time so that you may stop being deceived by the world and be able to follow the steps of Jesus and other prophets to Heaven.Knowing the truth is the key factor in our salvation.We must know the truth and live in it and change ourselves according to it in order to be saved.There is no other way to our salvation.With the knowledge of the truth there comes true repentance which means changing our minds and also true obediance to God' s law and finally our sanctification which is a lifeling process.And God in His mercy will give us Hia wonderful grace which is the time and ability to make the proper change.Only in this way will we be able to attain our eternal salvation.Our task is to find this narrow gate that leads to God and do it quickly and stay on it till the end no matter what.Then and only theb we will be saved.There is nothihg more important or serious to do in this fallen world as our efernal fate deolpends on it.

@healingchannel1885 3 жыл бұрын

Whoever trusts in the Lord Jesus: God bless you!

@Sons_of_Thunder. 11 ай бұрын

Here is my take on Job sons of God Job 1: 4-6 A person has to use CONTEXT....Context is King. 4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate (SANCTIFY) them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. When Job presented the animal sacrifice/burnt offering (Job 1:5) this was in the days (Plural) of Feasting. There are Two "DAYS" mentioned in the days of feasting found in Job 1: 4 and Job 1: 13 and there are also Two "DAYS" when the sons of God presented themselves Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1. Job 1:4 " And his sons would go and feast houses, each on his DAY, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them Job1: 6 "Now there was a DAY when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1: 13 " Now there was a DAY when his sons and daughters eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house;" >>>>>the sons and daughters are Jobs, his household. Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. Job 1:5 So it was, when the days of feasting had run their course, that Job would send and consecrate (SANCTIFY) them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did regularly. The proper interpretation is pairing together Job 1: 4 with Job 1: 6 and pairing together Job 1: 13 with Job 2: 1, keeping Job 1: 5 in mind and applying that thought to with the verses that are paired together. Basically what happened is in Job 1 :4 and Job 1: 13 the feasting would be taking place, then the following day Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1 early in the morning Job would present the animal sacrifice/burnt offering unto the Lord God. Job is being made Holy as well as his Household (wife, sons, daughters), because of the sacrifice (burnt offering), sanctification, atonement and shed blood of the sacrifice, this brings Job's Household into a position of "Adoption", hence forth sons of God are explained in Job 1:6 and Job 2: 1 which happened the following day. This all took place during the days of feasting. Job 1: 4 "and his sons would go and feast houses, each on his day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them." Verse tells us the days of Feasting each had there own day and there were probably 7 days of Feasting or could be 8 days of Feasting with Job because the Jews had 8 Feast days, 7 is more likely, because Job had 7 sons. Job was not a Jew, he was a Patriarch/head of the household and lived before the Jews and the Law was given. In the context given there are 4 separate DAYS mentioned in the text with in the 7 or 8 DAYS of Feasting. My view overall that Job's children were predestidated to Christ, since they were Concecrated/Sanctified (Made Holy), meaning the Soul. Have to apply the Context and which means applying the burnt offerings/animal sacrifice. The sons of God are clearly Job and his household.....This is all a fore shadowing of the Complete Sacrifice and Promise of Jesus on the Cross. Also to note like it says in Romans the wages of sin is death, Jesus made the final payment for sin with his death, but before the death of Jesus and before the Law and Israel, people like Job a Patriarch would offer death unto the Lord God for sins. Like it says fpr Job's children. The conversation between God and Satan is in the spiritual realm while Job and his household are in the material/earthly realm. Has to do with Sanctification, Justification and Glorification. Of course the Glorification is future since the soul is atoned for a future Glorified body. These souls of the OT, like Job and his household. Job had to continually offer sacrifices unto the Lord God, just like all of the OT sacrifices even the nation of Israel with the Levitcal priesthood offered sacrifices with shed blood, this was the old covenant with the blood of animals. These sacrifices were only good until the next sacrifice was offered. Jesus on the Cross made the FINAL PAYMENT for sin and the FINAL SACRIFICE. This is why it mentions sons of God in Job, this is all tied into the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, who is the Son of God. There would be NO sons of God mentioned in both OT and NT without a Sacrifice and Shed blood offered unto the Lord God for the payment of sin and atonement for the soul. To call sons of God angels or a so called divine council in the OT is actually blasphemous against Jesus and the Cross, as well as how God dealt with sin of the Individual in the Bible.

@robertburke9920 2 жыл бұрын

See the book “Think Like an Advanced Christian”?

@brianbannon6746 3 жыл бұрын

1 Corinthians 15:3-4

@friendlyfire7509 2 жыл бұрын

Maranatha

@umojamaa Ай бұрын

Satan didn't want to test the faith of the ungodly. Remember the beginning its a debate between God and satan . " God allowed it but didn't allow Satan to 'touch his soul'. God is certain about his poeple

@joedunn1757 Жыл бұрын

If we didn't suffer at time's we would be even worse than we are.more of a spoiled brat. God owes us nothing.but he gives us everything

@Matthew-cp2eg 19 күн бұрын

this teaching misses the point of Job "In all this did not Job sin with his lips". he did with his heart/spirit. we know this from his friends with him as for they saw that his grief was very great.

@4DYearOldRapper Жыл бұрын

I believe Job had a warped view of God. And was a self righteous man depending on his own works. I believe Job used God to get things like some prosperity preachers.Snd even later in Job you see his true colors come out.When he mentions all the good works but not a relationship with God. He was a moralist. A moralist is harder to reach than a hedonist. So God had to take away everything for him to see his folly.

@3ricab1 3 ай бұрын

False. It said he was blameless.

@mr.castjohn478 2 жыл бұрын

Lol At this paste, it would take the preacher a week to go through the dialogue.

@tongakhan230 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't this a case of going everywhere but getting nowhere?

@HearGodsWord 3 жыл бұрын

Not really. Maybe you should listen to the video again.

@tongakhan230 3 жыл бұрын

@@HearGodsWord : The crux of the book of Job is integrity. Does God have worshipers who worship him out of love and not for some gain. How hard can it be to understand this simple question and moral principle?

@HearGodsWord 3 жыл бұрын

@@tongakhan230 I wasn't debating that and your initial comment isn't even suggesting it - in fact it suggests you're being quite dismissive of either the book or the teacher. I do find your final sentence doesn't reflect those points though. You might want to cut the attitude.

@tammywisecup5634 3 жыл бұрын

@@tongakhan230 succinct

@kevinfromcanada4379 3 жыл бұрын

@@HearGodsWord Tonga is a JW who has no regard for what the Bible actually says and has no interest in truth. He posts on trinitarian channels attempting to sow discord and spread lies, mainly regarding Jehovah Jesus. He's not a Christian so don't let his attitude bother you, he needs your prayers.

@Bobster986 2 жыл бұрын

What if Satan was to change his ways, asked God for forgiveness, and only did good? Would the world, the universe, be a better place? Maybe, we all should pray for Satan, pray that he changes his ways and returns to heaven (home) and become that beautiful spirt he use to be.

@GBannoura 2 жыл бұрын

That is definitely an unanswered prayer. The Lord God made it clear that Satan is going to be condemned, and the book of Revelation revealed this explicit judgement (20: 10) It is important to pray according to God’s will that is found in His revealed word; the Scriptures.

@kaylaharrell8351 2 жыл бұрын

Satan KNOWS what it is to be in the presence of God, to live in the holiness & the glory that God created heaven to be. We don't know heaven like he does, because we've never been there. We sin in partial ignorance of what awaits us. He & the angels that sinned with him did so in all knowledge of what they were giving up. God gave man a way to salvation (Jesus), because He loves us enough to save us from our sin, knowing we only have faint ideas of His glory. The angels knew His full glory & rejected it. There is no salvation for that.

@myhassles3614 2 жыл бұрын

Did you understand Job 1: 8? God tempted Satan using Job. Its never, what we do, but what God does through us.

@TheMusikalChristian 2 жыл бұрын

James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

@myhassles3614 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMusikalChristian God is evil too. God had everything all planned out for Job and his suffering. When I was called, I didnt know what to do, but my spirit said to hold a jesus sign uptown. I ended up walking over 20 miles a day, just over a year. The sign said, "Repent Sin Nomore Rev. 3:15-19". It was a spiritual time walking and l was taught simple things of life I didnt understand before. I learned by listening and obeying my spirit. I am done now of walking and I understand a tidbit of who God really is and there's hope for everyone. For God is my Father who loves mankind that He created and planned their lives out from the beginning.

@TheMusikalChristian 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and in the end Job got blessed with double of what he already had. God says that suffering can turn your spirit from silver into gold. How is God evil if all he wants to do is to prove ourselves true to his commands. If anything God throws difficult tests at us so we can build character.

@myhassles3614 2 жыл бұрын

John 8:44 kjv 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Notice that Satan was evil from the beginning, and thats Jesus' words! So who created evil? Check out this, more of Jesus was talking. Colossians 1:16 , 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: God created all for His own purpose.

@TheMusikalChristian 2 жыл бұрын

@@myhassles3614 but remember In Isaiah 14:12-15 it said that Satan fell from heaven. He wanted to become the most high, but instead he was brought down to hell. In Genesis God said everything he created was VERY GOOD. From there on out he continues to compare sin to death and continue his plans to destroy Satan to this day. Even going as far as sacrificing his son. So somewhere inbetween the 6th day and Adam and Eve the Devil was in heaven because he was an angel, but "chose" Evil not because of some outside force, but because he chose to. That's why in John 8:44 he's considered The Father of Lies because he created it.

@friend904 3 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven.

@bailujen8052 3 жыл бұрын

I hate it where John Macarthur was used as a punching bag for christian youtubers. All christian youtubers get called false teachers. My theory is they do it for views

@dw-rh6fb 3 жыл бұрын

2 things to repent on: 1) Jesus is God. There is no other God. 2) heliocentrism = sun centered = modern sun worship = blasphemy against God = hell. Your salavation does depend on you accepting the truth, and i have told you the truth.

@justanotherbaptistjew5659 3 жыл бұрын

My salvation rests on me denying the proven truth that the earth revolves around the sun? Last I checked, not a single verse in the Bible places your salvation on your understanding of astronomy.

@dw-rh6fb 3 жыл бұрын

@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 your salavation rest on accepting the truth and rejecting the lies. Heliocentrism = satanic lies Enclosed stationary plane = truth You can ignore this warning, but you will not receive another, or mercy if you reject it.

@dw-rh6fb 3 жыл бұрын

@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 earth "revolving around the sun" is false doctrine and occult sun worship.

@dw-rh6fb 3 жыл бұрын

@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 see what the Bible says about how God responds to occult sun worship amongst His people.

@dw-rh6fb 3 жыл бұрын

@@justanotherbaptistjew5659 He will enable him to deceive, in all kinds of wicked ways, those who are headed for destruction because they would not receive the love of the truth that could have saved them. 11 This is why God is causing them to go astray, so that they will believe the Lie. 12 The result will be that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.

@alfrazz1799 2 жыл бұрын

A profoundly tortured explanation.

@HearGodsWord 2 жыл бұрын

So why don't you give your own non-tourtured explanation instead of just criticising?

@BlueDevilBrew 3 ай бұрын

This is lazy and unbiblical. You’re saying God is under an obligation to heal us if we are more friendly with him? Ever read Job? He was an upright, blameless, and righteous man. Yet, as the book reveals to us, God allowed him to suffer greatly. The Lord gives and the Lord takes away (Job 1:21). God allows - in fact ordains - suffering sometimes. Yet he works all together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose (Romans 8:28).