Eric Hansen He also died young. Much of his faults didn’t come out to the public until later. I wonder if he didn’t get sick and was still around if he’d still have the same respect.

@@BassGoThump 56 is pretty young...yeah

Disagree. If you haven't studied his life, it will be very easy to pass a quick and uninformed judgment of a man who is one of the most disruptive forces in history. We couldn't even have this discussion in the format we're using if it wasn't for him. The computer industry was turned on its head because of him, in favor of people over corporate format machines that used DOS with black screens and green text. When I was growing up, only geeks owned computers and you had to become a geek to use them. There was a distinct social barrier between computer geeks and everyone else, to the point that it was awkward. Jobs took that social dynamic and threw it out the window. That was his vision with the Apple II and Macintosh. Had he not flipped the market on its head, we'd be in relative dark ages technologically. Jocko needs to read or listen to the Walter Isaacson biography and do a follow-up. This was very premature.

@@LRRPFco52 jobs changed reality through force of will

OR it was a balance of them all.

Hooray for you, you watched the movie 👏👏👏👏👏

Actually really good points and not so nitpicky.

@Nikolaij Brouiller right, Apple has been running on Intel for at least 10 years

Lots of gullible kids are like "oh yeah i'll be like elon musk". Sorry, you're not a genius like Elon musk stop trying to emulate lmao

100%

Little Ears I partially disagree. I agree kids definitely should not think that because they have a good idea or they are smart with tech they could be the next Elon. Know which parts or his life/career to emulate to be successful, while leaving some of them at the door. I agree though if you think you’re a genius like he is, you’re most likely dead wrong. Learning and emulating certain lessons from his lifestyle and work ethic could prove successful.

@@ang47 ah but Elon is human just like you and me, we are capable of great things and a bit degrees won't help with that, life is what you make it, so people should make their own path, whether it be college or something else it's every man and woman's own decision.

@@gmack3739 So people think they can pick and choose what is best, there in itself lies the problem. Unless that person is already at the 1%.

@@galtslounge Well said. Wozniak's product sold itself, guy is a legit technological genius. Job's attitude and aggressiveness just sent the product line into overdrive.

Yea, no. Without jobs Wozniak would not have had the vision to push the company to what it is today. His tech would have still succeeded no doubt, but Jobs businesse model went beyond the tech. Thats why half the world now uses iphones. Remember the windows phones? Yea me neither, they had no vision so they died off.

@@gonzalohernandez5930 man windows phones were my favourite, I miss those little guys

That’s the magic. There is no Jobs without Woz and no Woz without Jobs. Both are equally true.

It's very intelligent to predict the future when it's objectively unknowable. Congrats

Get after what?

@@HaasGrotesk After whatever it is that you desire and that is good for you and your community in the long term

@@raducomanescu400 But I have everything...?

HaasGrotesk no you don’t

@@imcoleyourenot8391 How do you know?

Those guys must've ignored that part about knowing your marines and looking out for their welfare. Knew a lot of cocksuckers like that in the fleet. No one cried when they came home dead.

That really says it all in a nut shell. People perform like crap if they fell they have to work ,"for", you. People go the extra mile and more than likely over-achieve if they work ,"with", you. Its really the difference between being a boss and being an actual leader.

I always modeled my leadership after having seen the Ten Commandments, when I was a kid. Not to get religious, there was just a scene in the movie which always stuck out to me, when Moses opened up the grain vaults to the Hebrew slaves and Ramses lost his mind over it, wanting to know why. To which Moses says something rather simple, but profound, in that "Happy slaves make many bricks, starving slaves make few... and dead slaves make none." So modeling my leadership strategy after that one line, I figured that happy subordinates produce a lot, miserable ones produce little and no subordinates (Because they left) produce nothing. Where it definitely pays to incline someone to WANT to produce a lot, versus someone who produces because they have to. I'm of course not saying to be their friend or anything where they just roll right over you, drop the beat if it's necessary... but one shouldn't make a habit of it. It's like being in the military, I saw a LOT of "Bosses" but sadly, very few "Leaders." One of the things which kind of separated the two, was actually knowing their people and what motivates them. In that vein, something I noticed is that some people are nails... they need to be hammered to get the point across... hard. Whereas some people are screws, just a little easing and it's already catching. If you try to hammer a screw, you're going to have a bad day and possibly put the project at risk, but if you try to use a screwdriver on a nail, you're not going to get anywhere. Like myself, if I fuck up, all it takes is to pull me aside for a quick second and say "Hey, that was fucked up, I'd like if you wouldn't do it again" and that's all it takes. Never happens again... on top of the aspect that now I'm looking out for other people who may wander into such an incident, as well. It always seemed to me that a good facet of leadership is finding out who's a hammer and who's a nail, then adjust them accordingly. Yet so many people in leadership roles, just want to assume that everyone's a nail and just hammer away. Hell, perhaps it's ignorance in not knowing there's a difference, who knows? Point is, that if a subordinate needs to be made an example out of, it always seemed to me that the person who wants to make that example, has already lost.

Many people in the military were nobodies and as soon as they get a taste of power, they really go overboard. Yelling and all is good to weed out people who break under pressure, but you’re more likely to get loyalty out of people who respect and love you rather than people who fear and hate you. Most people who fear and hate you will leave you to die when shit hits the fan. I always loved Alexander the Great’s approach, the guy knew every single soldier’s name, making everyone feel like his friend, so they were more keen to fight for him.

@@alexman378 Good stuff.

NahImPro 18X? Good luck fam. You’ll need it. Also just remember that it’s a team effort as much as it is a solo effort. Don’t self select, and don’t get peered out. 👌🏾💯

He was a man of ideals when it comes to consumer electronics.

chaztikov huh?

or sometimes people having this style also delusion themselves as “visionnaries”. But there are lot of employees who get in their own way. Lot of talented, skillful people who struggle to channel their greatness aligned with the projects needs. A lot of wasted talent and effort. Businesses are often adult daycares.

"Visionaries". Most of the times their vision is not worth half a shit.

He was also following in the footsteps of a veritable legend. I believe people are inclined to notice the difference in perceived relative value.

"Every great mind has a touch of madness." ~Aristotle~

Forstall didn’t found Nest. It was Tony Fadell, the iPod designer. Forstall was actually loved by the people under him, because he had a vision that many of them bought into and he fought for them and that vision. However, after Jobs died, the top brass no longer had an active decision maker; Tim Cook is a delegator, poorly capable of resolving of major conflicts, and it was easier to send Forstall away, because he made the boardroom meetings too uncomfortable.

I think you are confusing Scott Forstall with Tony Fadell who came from Apple and co-founded it with another Apple colleague but not Forstall.

@@griimae8022 Yes my bad Fadell.

Duh?

Hud

Yeah if you are a puffta boy that need your safe space then of course it's going to be hard.

@@HaasGrotesk wtf is a safe space? Do you mean following OSHA standards?

@@oiitzME1266 A safe space is space that liberal pufta soy boys and women need to feel safe. For example if a white man performs really well at work soy boy puftas will feel intimidated and need to create a safe space from him so they can feel safe and not intimidated. Women need safe spaces all the time cause they are women.

Fishn Giggles check your ego

nah ... he should work on pronunciation and speaking skills, he sounds like a moron when he talks.

Al O. No one ever does bruh. Got the whole Mike Tyson voice to body thing going on.

Calm down, Kyle.

@Nick Stiso I just say calm down man, we're not building the Sistine chapel...

No he buy ur worksites.

@@jaks334 no he dead. Nice grammar.

Lollll

All leaders end up dead

We all do.

Karma comes for us all eventually.

What kind of leader do you think is needed for our current era do you think? Just out of interest

Timothy Mark Brennan, Jr. Which is why America has gone soft and is being eaten alive by China and India.

Some people are afraid of success. They are afraid to see their own potential.

Great salesman yes and also business-wise. He's seen as a visionary in packaging existing tech in a way that folks ended up loving.

Care to share “The data”? Also imho you are twisting the definition here: he was the founder and CEO, which by default makes him a leader, whatever your opinion of his leadership skills is.

Or for your employees

Although, when a visionary leader is the tyrant, it can bring out the best work in people. Still not the nicest place to work tho.

Another thing to consider....Jobs admitted at the end he could have lived if he'd just treated his cancer the way the Dr's wanted. He was convinced he knew better and delayed with unconventional treatments that didn't work. In the end his personality traits shortened his life.

I’m in that situation right now. It was tolerable for about 3 months, but I’m leaving now. My supervisor is a fuckin narcissistic nut job

who cares?

But he did it.

he wasnt a genius, he just knew how to use people

Nice guys finish last, Steve Jobs changed the world.

Read the bio from issacson. One of the best books I’ve ever read. Jobs was a great man. Full of faults but he’s the definition of “great”.