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@kermit10563 жыл бұрын
yo
@jonnyarnett3 жыл бұрын
Sup Kermit
@kermit10563 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyarnett how you doing? last time i had an interaction with you was months ago
@masterchief58333 жыл бұрын
One thing I would like to say about the 60s is that there where more field goal attempts because there was no 3 point line, also if you take away 7% of the rebounds wilt and russel had (because of the lower shooting percentage) they would still be far ahead of everyone else since dennis had nearly 6k while wilt had 9k. Another thing to point out is that faster pace of play isnt a justification to why they had so many rebounds because it's not a bad thing. Even if wilt and bill played today they would grab similar amounts of rebounds. I pointed out the 3 point line earlier because even a half court shot would be counted as a field goal which is why it seems so low. Next time you should adjust the stats without the inflation just to see how good they would be regardless if it was inflation or not. I just found it a little bit disingenuous and unfair to the 60s players that u would say that but I still like your video. Another thing is that for players like dennis you should include years where they played less than 50 games because that was common occurrence, you should exclude seasons based on them being outliers and not based on a random number like 50 games.
@jonnyarnett3 жыл бұрын
@@kermit1056 I'm doing well! Other than the fact that my injured Lakers are falling apart. lol. Appreciate you dropping in as always
@dravendfr3 жыл бұрын
I heard around an hour ago, R.I.P. Elgin Baylor, you were terribly underrated.
@blocker19283 жыл бұрын
Elgin Baylor, he definitely is one of the all time greats.
@jefferyroy25663 жыл бұрын
History has neglected his legacy as the offensive equivalent of Bill Russell as a breakthrough player. Baylor was the first African-American in the NBA to average at least 20 points and double-digit rebounds for a season, and he did it as Rookie of the Year in 1958-59. His offensive exploits would soon be overshadowed by Chamberlain, and he had to share the ball with the equally impressive Jerry West on his own team. I don't know when the term "hang time" came along, but I do know Baylor was the first to display that talent on an NBA court. His legacy will be available to everyone who is curious about the history of professional basketball. All it takes is checking the statistical leaders of his time, because his name is near the top year after year.
@tyresesmith34213 жыл бұрын
Rip Baylor
@dusk61593 жыл бұрын
Learning of this now, RIP Elgin, all-time one of a kind.
@bricefleckenstein96663 жыл бұрын
@@blocker1928 Arguably the greatest player to never play on a championship playoff team (he retired too early in 1972, but the Lakers gave him a ring that year ANYWAY).
@ehwassupdoc79013 жыл бұрын
RIP Elgin Baylor shame his 38 ppg gets overlooked because he played 48 games he scored 61 in the finals against a prime bill Russell. Special player
@Glorfindels3 жыл бұрын
"Before there was Michael Jordan doing amazing things in the air, there was Elgin Baylor! A true class act and great man" ~ Magic Johnson
@jeortiz-luis42883 жыл бұрын
he wasn't injured I think he was in the military service
@DubThaGod3 жыл бұрын
Elgin and the big O are very underrated because of the time they played in
@hanschristopherson80563 жыл бұрын
Obviously Kobe is the best player in Lakers history but Baylor is the reason the Lakers exist today because they would’ve gone bankrupt without him
@ehwassupdoc79013 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see all those 60a and 50s players play today to see just how good they would be
@racewiththefalcons13 жыл бұрын
Wilt and Russell were grabbing 3,000 more rebounds than anyone else in the greatest time for rebounds. That tells you something about exactly how good they were. Yes, rebounds were more plentiful, but they were plentiful for _everyone,_ and it was Wilt and Russell dominating.
@Poloskii3 жыл бұрын
If u adjust for inflation wilt is still just as good at rebounding as Rodman if not slightly less but it would be because of Rodmans passion for rebounding while wilt just picks up the ball when he sees it
@yogrannybae51893 жыл бұрын
Not really when if you adjust stats Rodman would become a better rebounder than wilt
@simontapiacolman43823 жыл бұрын
@@yogrannybae5189 Rodman is an underrated rebounder by some, he's as good as Russell and wilt if not better, include moses malone in the best rebounders list aswell
@emanuelr.desousa68782 жыл бұрын
@@yogrannybae5189 "if" and "adjust" don't combine with "stats".
@Davek71102 жыл бұрын
@@emanuelr.desousa6878 I like the "36 minutes per game adjust" hehe So if Wilt played 48 minutes you just take away 25% of his stats?? How does that work?? Today's stat people just don't get it.....
@j.j.jaguar30053 жыл бұрын
Who’s here after the news that Elgin Baylor died 😢😭 He was a Lakers legend
@ItsBam933 жыл бұрын
Rip
@j.j.jaguar30053 жыл бұрын
@Ethan Hill I agree, he is underrated
@Mgblz3 жыл бұрын
Wait he did? Rip respect to that legend
@imafunguy66363 жыл бұрын
Thank god he got to live his life
@dusk61593 жыл бұрын
It's rough to learn this after watching Westphal's great (and especially appreciative, not only asked for Elgin as a guest but also wanted to take a minute of his occasion to exactly show appreciation to him and what he did) HOF enshrinement ceremony. Two legends, Baylor will always be a special phenomenon.
@wildboy8213 жыл бұрын
Jordan is so hard to argue against. Not only did he put up numbers in a relatively desolate era for big numbers, but he also won at the highest level.
@TheDesisgarf3 жыл бұрын
Idk dude, 2012-2016 Bron was also pretty insane, I think its up for debate
@Sf751783 жыл бұрын
@@TheDesisgarf are you saying the wrong years were used in the video. The video used 2010-2014
@TheDesisgarf3 жыл бұрын
@@Sf75178 in my opinion, yes. Although 2010-2014 has 1 more MVP and is probably better statistically, 2012-2016 doesnt include his horrific 2011 finals performance and it does include his 2016 finals performance, which is arguably the greatest finals performance ever. Also in 2015 he had a monstrous playoff run and single handedly took GSW to a 6 game series. So idk, 2010-2014 was better in the regular season but overall Im going with 2012-2016
@Sf751783 жыл бұрын
@@TheDesisgarf it would be good if the video included playoff stats just rings and FVMP but it only used regular season stats.
@TheDesisgarf3 жыл бұрын
@@Sf75178 that kinda confused me because the whole video he only talked about the regular season but at the end he included rings and FMVP into each players portfolio.
@garrettlittle53353 жыл бұрын
A lot of people forget that oscar Robertson and jerry west were both great defenders and they would probably be up there in steals if they were recorded back then
@backwardsracecar63543 жыл бұрын
I watched the ten year video yesterday for the second time thinking if he would make the 5 year video
@hadrianfaber27383 жыл бұрын
🧢
@backwardsracecar63543 жыл бұрын
@@hadrianfaber2738 you can believe me or not but I promise you I watched it yesterday or at least the day before
@ajking78683 жыл бұрын
Bro I promise you the same exact thing happened to me
@michaelthomas72563 жыл бұрын
Yoooo sameeee
@MJIZZEL3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I was gonna comment this and several of you did the same thing. Wtf? I looked through the spreadsheet yest for about 30 mins and was wondering what the 5yr would be for certain players like tmac or rodman.
@garzar17783 жыл бұрын
RIP Elgin Baylor 😔❤️
@MrReese3 жыл бұрын
Jordan being number 3 on the all-time steals list is just insane. That guy was so in the zone on the court, not only one of the greatest scorers but also the greatest defenders. It's sad that some stats were not collected back in the day for Wilt, Russell, etc., Wilt would probably have almost all records.
@shadowduke15353 жыл бұрын
Nah Russel would gain all of the defensive records not wilt
@raffaelecorrente11232 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, you mj fans are so boring.
@UnconventionalReasoning2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowduke1535 Wilt was as good a shot blocker as Russell, probably better. Steals is harder to evaluate from the unofficial stats and video archives. Russell would have won more DPOY, been All-Defense every year, and of course Finals MVP.
@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 Жыл бұрын
@@UnconventionalReasoning Wilt was actually a great stealer, one example, in the 1965 NBA Finals during the Havlicek Stole the ball, it was Wilt who stole the ball to Bill Russell in the final seconds of the game, and then Philly could have won the game if it wasn't for Havlicek stealing the ball to Philly.
@jingqi91063 жыл бұрын
I saw Wilt play and he was amazing. His strength, speed, jumping ability, and immense size are legendary. He was also extremely gifted and skilled. Wilt still holds a lot of NBA records and younger fans have no idea just how great and dominant he was. Wilt also led the NBA in assists one year when his coach asked him to be a facilitator because he had more talent around him. In my opinion Wilt is the GOAT and I saw all the players on that list. Of course, all the players on that list were so great but Wilt was different.
@randymonster41053 жыл бұрын
How old are you 95?
@Killer23TrZ3 жыл бұрын
wilt is easily the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA
@yogrannybae51893 жыл бұрын
Winning matters Wilt only won 2 titles and that was with another all time great in Jerry west
@randymonster41053 жыл бұрын
@@Killer23TrZ they only had 9 teams in the NBA during the 60s-70s and Wilt can't win a Chip? LOL! How is that great?
@Killer23TrZ3 жыл бұрын
@@randymonster4105 lmao individuals win championships ? ROBERT HORRY HAS 7 RINGS !!! IS HE BETTER THAN MJ KOBE OR LEBRON ?!!!!!
@chrispaul61213 жыл бұрын
I swear he makes content of a 500k sub channel
@NewAgeSlaves3 жыл бұрын
I dont know how he hasn't blown up yet
@lennybiker34513 жыл бұрын
Exactly I didn’t realise he didn’t even have 100k yet, I view him as like a jxmy high roller type channel
@bobbyjeffjr3 жыл бұрын
No, 1,000,000+ channel
@vorakijpunyashthiti28203 жыл бұрын
I hope he reach those number soon.
@bostinobaddog20403 жыл бұрын
@@lennybiker3451 me too
@thebrukfella3 жыл бұрын
i can sense the next vid is going to be best 1 month career and ofc it’s gon be the great JEREMY ‘LINSANITY’ LIN
@nikosofidemporas3 жыл бұрын
I think Kobe, MJ, Lillard, Harden, Wilt and some others have at least one 40 ppg month.
@Louisjamson3 жыл бұрын
@@nikosofidemporas hater it’s Lin
@NewAgeSlaves3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@machoboys88843 жыл бұрын
Didn’t James Harden average 40 a month at some point?
@brrr33013 жыл бұрын
@@machoboys8884 Wilt said it once in an interview with Bill, he said that he averaged like 70 for the last 10 games, the season b4 his 50ppg season
@nigelkillian92903 жыл бұрын
The gem of KZfaq has posted once more
@Ranting4Rent3 жыл бұрын
Insane stuff. Wilt and Jordan untouchableness (if that was a word) can be shown here but from here we can really see guys like Kobe and Larry pop off
@Ghyll3 жыл бұрын
once again , aside big players, it shows how great MJ was.
@octopus84203 жыл бұрын
MJ's career sucked outside the championship years. He's the 80s Russell Westbrook
@felipefasanella77643 жыл бұрын
MJ's 5 years was Ridiculous. He wasn't injured. He simply didn't want to play. Stupid video. He came back after more than a year, so he was refreshed. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@jeraldvincentzumel53003 жыл бұрын
@@octopus8420 well, LeBron's career sucks even with the chips. He only led the league twice in 2 statistical categories, which are scoring and assists. He never won any DPOY. He only has 5 defensive 1st teams when he clearly is the biggest dude in his position. He has 4 MVPs in an 18-year career. He has 2 bronze medals until Kobe stepped in. And lastly, he lost 6 Finals series, 2 of which he was supposed to win (Dallas and 2014 SAS). In hindsight, Jordan's 80s career is better than LeBron's whole career. 63pts vs Celtics, 40ppg twice in 2 playoff runs, MVP, DPOY and scoring champion in the same year, defensive selections, 2 slam dunk titles, 3 scoring titles, 3 steals titles.
@CavsFanDallasFanSinceFebruary3 жыл бұрын
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 I was with you until you said 80s Jordan had a better career. I can understand 87-91 vs 2011-15, but 80s Jordan can’t compare to LeBrons full career.
@octopus84203 жыл бұрын
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 lol that gotta be the dumbest thing I ever read.
@soysauce42073 жыл бұрын
In my eyes, Alvin Robertson is a HOFer. He's a 4x all-star, a DPOY(one of only 5 guards), an MIP, has the most steals per game in a season(3.7), most steals per game in a career(2.7), the shortest DPOY ever, the shortest player to record a quadruple-double, the only guard to ever record a quadruple double, the only player to record a tripple double with steals, and a 6x all defensive player. He is one of the most underrated players in the history of the NBA. You could say he's not a hall of famer, but the stats don't lie, this man was a legend.
@trevormiller74392 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Illinois during the Jordan era, and I listen to my dad go on and on about Wilt Chamberlain. It went in one ear and out the other the other, to me Jordan was unquestionably the greatest of all time .. But the more I see and hear of Wilt's accomplishments the more I doubt my convictions. He was awesome!
@atti_odyssey2 жыл бұрын
Yep, listen to your dad
@ComeQuicklyYeshua Жыл бұрын
He would take your breath away with the things he would do
@streamersintern3 жыл бұрын
Johnny Arnett is the best basketball KZfaqr.
@Aryan-hr8ho3 жыл бұрын
No, it’s Clayton Crownley or Jimmy Highroller
@ArminMuslim3 жыл бұрын
Hell nah Jonny Arnett is better wtf
@abhinavchavali14433 жыл бұрын
Jxmyhighroller is
@jamesbeh16883 жыл бұрын
“But he’s likely surpassing MJ for the most accomplished 5-year stretch” Jordan: “That’s when I took it personal” P.S: Great work man Love your stuff👍✌️
@Lemont52363 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@joelhoeve3 жыл бұрын
"The Goat is the one who was the best he was at his best" WILT CHAMBERLAIN period
@giffengood3 жыл бұрын
In that 5 year stretch he won 0 rings, so no, definitely not the GOAT in my book. To me, the GOAT is NOT ONLY a winner but also individually THE person responsible for those wins at the highest level (rings).
@Solznmid3 жыл бұрын
@@giffengood I think it still comes down to LeBron and Jordan
@Poloskii3 жыл бұрын
@@giffengood if we talking first 5 years its probably Larry bird
@Poloskii3 жыл бұрын
@@giffengood in wilts 1st finals appearance he put up a good fight even blowing the Celtics out one game and all but 1 game of his 4 losses were close as hell so he had a serious chance of winning if he had taken a few extra shots that series, either way wilt single handedly carried a team to the finals and that isn't easy
@yogrannybae51893 жыл бұрын
You have to win as well as put up stats so no he’s not the goat
@jeraldvincentzumel53003 жыл бұрын
This just proves that the only thing LeBron has over Jordan is longevity. It's not necessarily a bad thing. But without longevity, the gap between then widens even more.
@jeortiz-luis42883 жыл бұрын
with him it's a bad thing because he forgone a lot of good defensive years to have that longevity considering how physically gifted he was, he planned his longevity it didn't just happen, he spent millions on himself to last this long just padding his numbers
@jeraldvincentzumel53003 жыл бұрын
@@jeortiz-luis4288 the funny thing is, as how things stand right now, Jordan stll leads LeBron by 1 MVP, 2 rings, 2 Finals MVPs, 9 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, 1 DPOY and 6 defensive 1st teams. To put that in perspective, those are KD's accolades and then some. 18 years and counting and the gap is still KD's resume.
@EricCKeys3 жыл бұрын
Not true at all. LeBron is a better passer, playmaker, rebounder and 3PT shooter than Jordan even without the longevity. I say this as believing Jordan is the GOAT with Lebron 2nd.
@tpsam3 жыл бұрын
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 did you write MVP two times
@tpsam3 жыл бұрын
@@jeraldvincentzumel5300 also if that is kd resume Kd can't apply for a goat position
@northernlight10003 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this one, just like the 10 year one as well, I think i like it so much because it involves literally all of nba history into one including the less relatively less exciting and the absolute peak of the nba as well (around 90-2010) and you do a magnificent job in going through all of it, you can maybe somehow create something like this and extend players careers, like if every player had a 20 year career or something like that
@darrell96163 жыл бұрын
You continue to publish the best basketball content anywhere. Thank you for the hard work.
@thiccolas25053 жыл бұрын
Put up any list you want MJ had the greatest peak, greatest 5yr and 10yr spans. He was just like a tsunami that came and swept any and every achievement and accolade he could.
@watergarage83433 жыл бұрын
Then why does wilt hold 70 records
@giffengood3 жыл бұрын
@@watergarage8343 Because modern rules were mostly non-existent and Wilt was a physical anomaly for any time, especially his. He wouldn't have gotten most of those records if he played today because of all the added rules and restrictions. That said, Wilt was known as an underperformer in the playoffs, which is why MJ beats him in that arena statistically.
@patrickmichels78883 жыл бұрын
Wilt tears mj apart
@ezirulez4eva1753 жыл бұрын
@@giffengood fax
@bosschello23633 жыл бұрын
In the playoffs wilt was a underperformer. In the regular season he averaged 30pts in the playoffs it drops to 22pts he's a underperformer
@marcosmartinez80883 жыл бұрын
Great video. It's good to see Alvin Robertson and McAdoo out there, they were beasts and a underrated players from the 70's and 80's. Also, Bird, Kareem, and Oscar Robertson are really underrated stretches of dominance in the league, those players could do everything in their prime.
@user-cn8nu6lq4w9 ай бұрын
Alvin Robertson belongs in jail.
@stephenlibin95263 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! It just upsets me Wilt, Bill and even Kareem played a few years before some key stats were kept. Lastly, Rest In Peace Elgin Baylor, you were true Laker royalty.
@MichaelCorleone_3 жыл бұрын
Wilt 63-68 Would Destroy anyone
@averagetwins79623 жыл бұрын
At this point I'm very surprised he doesn't have more subscribers
@davebenson73463 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Elgin Baylor. ( 1934 - 2021 )
@kookurikapooh3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to see how LeBron disappeared when longevity is taken out of the equation. As opposed to someone like John Stockton who mentained his numbers despite removing longevity. Also, this video showed just how good that Jazz team was, considering 3 of their guys sat at the top or near at the top for each of their categories.
@Adam-tt5cs3 жыл бұрын
He doesn't dissapear. It just shows that when you're trying to swerve a conversation into your arguments choosing, you can do it. This is what @JonnyArnett did in this video. He always states that he considers MJ the goat, which is fine. But the manner in which he's trying to prove it is inaccurate and what he often says - doesn't tell the whole story. Or to be even more precise, it misses a big chunk of the story. There are several huge flaws with his goat calculator, and they are: 1. The point assigning. You're telling me that leading "goat candidates" in steals and steals per game or blocks and blocks per game counts equally as a MVP and all nba awards, or even titles? 2. For the 5 major categories he mentioned, in all 5 the player that had the most in total also had the most in per game. So Wilt was number 1 in points and rebounds and gets 4 points? MJ was first in steal totals and spg and gets 2 points, while Russell gets 1 for 5 titles? Duncan gets 2 points for leading in blocks and blocks per game? 3. Since you mentioned Lebron, he picked the wrong 5 years. It should be either '09-'13 or '12-'16. I would pick '09-'13. Now suddenly we get a change. Lebron leads all players in MVP awards with 4, and he has the maximum number of all d 1st team selections. Now, under JonnyArnett's calculation, MJ loses 1 point (as do Kareem, Russell and Bird) and Lebron get's 1 point in all D selections. MJ now has 8, Lebron has 4, Bird and Kareem have 2 and Russell has 1. 4. Why use only 9 players? Why do you stop with GOAT counting at 9? If we were to add a few more players, we would probably add Hakeem. If we add Hakeem, MJ loses 1 DPOY point. I won't add him in the further calculation, just saying. If we were to equate the (almost) exact same categories (ppg and total points, bpg and total blocks etc.), and also remove FG% (what does this have to do with goat conversation, he could've at least used TS% or something), we get these changes: MJ 7, Wilt 4, Magic 2, Duncan & Kareem 1 Now, if we would somehow try to value differently different things (as stated, blocks or steals and MVP's can't be measured the same), we could use this: MVP 5 points 1st team, FMVP, rings 4 points 1st D, DPOY 3 Scoring, assist, rebound titles; points, rebounds, assists, 1.5 points Steals, blocks titles; steals, blocks 0.5 points Now we have this MJ at 16.5 and Lebron has 16.0. No one else is even near - the next is Wilt with 6. But, if I would try to create a video to minimize MJ's total numbers, I would add Hakeem in the years he had 2 when he won DPOY. Hakeem is definitely a top 10 or 15 all time player. Now Lebron has 16.0 still, and MJ has 13.5. Additionally, I would totally exclude blocks and steals from this, and give 1 point for the scoring, assist and rebound titles, bouncing MJ down to 12.0. What's fascinating with both MJ and Lebron in these 5 seasons ('88-'92 and '09-'13) - they both dominated the league in advanced stats (VORP, BPM, PER and WS), leading the league in every single category these 5 seasons. So, 5 year Lebron (you can even choose a few versions of 5 years) is one of the best players ever.
@kookurikapooh3 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-tt5cs People have been clinging on to LeBron's career scoring numbers (and career numbers in general) and think that it's a solid argument for why he is the GOAT. They don't add nuance when taking numbers like these into consideration. They fail to see that it's a byproduct of his longevity. Quantity over quality, not the other way around. Unlike Stockton and as well as some of these players, whose numbers hold up despite being subjected to scrutiny. There are other metrics out there that people can hold on to when making the case for GOAT for any of the All-time Greats, because except for a few, these career totals are nothing but fluff. And I do understand how much of an amazing feat it is to rack up all those numbers. But when talking about the GOAT, we have to be splitting hairs, we have to be pedantic, we have to be hyper critical. So yeah, when subjected to scrutiny... Disappeared As in *poof* Dropped off Disappeared
@Adam-tt5cs3 жыл бұрын
@@kookurikapooh First, longevity matters for all players that are on this Jonny Arnett goat list - as it should. Durability, availability, etc. All 9 players played over 897 games (Larry Bird), and 7 of them played over 1000 (only Bird and Magic didn't). 2nd, Lebron was always considered one of the best all round players in NBA history and not the single best in any category. But still, on the all time scoring list he his 6th in ppg. And of the top 6 players, this could be checked out, he has played in the slowest pace. 3rd - back to pace, the Lebron '09-'13 stretch also interacts with one of the slowest paces in NBA history. Of all the players in this top 10 scoring list, only Kobe's 06'-'10 stretch was played in a slower pace. The average NBA pace from '09-'13 was 92. The pace for Jordan and Malone from '88-'92 was 98.5, meaning 7% more possesions. Also, in this 5 year stretch Malone played in 407 games out of 410, which puts him at 28.96 ppg. Lebron missed a big chunk of these games, mostly due to the lockout season in 2012. He only played in 374 games. Divide this with 10.392 points Lebron scored puts him at 27.8 ppg. Adjust this for pace (7%) we get at 29.7 ppg. Not to mention if we go lower to this list in seasons - not sure what the pace was in the '60s, but from '74-'78 it was 106.2, which is 15% faster than '09 to '13. 4th - during this 5 year stretch Lebron led the entire league in total points scored, scoring 2 more total points than Durant and playing 7 less games. Again, this proves me correct. When making this list pace wasn't factored in, because it goes in Lebrons favour. This isn't something Johnny Arnett would do. Johnny Arnett also wouldn't use MJ's highest scoring seasons ('86-'87), because the Bulls that season finished with a negative record (40-42). Which is another proof that scoring title mean little. So, yeah - proof that Lebron doesn't disappear and proof that, no matter what way someone wants to diminish the greatest 18 year stretch of any NBA player (trying to prove longevity doesn't matter) - this guy also had the best 5 and 10 year stretch. "But when talking about the GOAT, we have to be splitting hairs, we have to be pedantic, we have to be hyper critical." I understand this, you're right. But the manner in which you're splitting hairs matters. Not taking pace into consideration and using these stats isn't splitting hairs, it's not telling the whole story. Look at this - MJ didn't win a single playoff series without Pippen - which is the exact truth. MJ also doesn't have a single winning season without Pippen - which is also true. He never won a title without Phil Jackson. His team won 55 games without him and lost in 7 in the playoffs. Let's split these hairs, as well. He lost 3 times in the first round in a no zone league.
@kookurikapooh3 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-tt5cs Wanna put up the stats Pip had whenever they STARTED winning? You're gonna tell me Pip was an absolute All-star during the year the Bulls started winning? Nuance. It may be factual to say that Scottie was there when they started winning, but NEVER phrase it in a way that Scottie was the big reason why they won. Fact check this, MJ was averaging nearly as much as MVP Kobe during his 1st year. Now tell me MJ was the reason why they were losing. Consider maybe that everyone "probably" needs at least some level of help. Again, this is all about making it sound like Pip was the big reason they started winning. Context matters. Choice of words matter. So no, don't make it sound like that. 7% less possessions is somewhat significant, ain't it? Then again, you have to factor in the type of shooting LeBron opts to take as opposed to Kobe or Jordan, since you mentioned the two. Between the 3 of them, who go their points from the 2, the 3, or from the lay up or dunk the most? No brainer that LeBron mostly got his points from within 10ft. Between the 3, he drove to the basket more. Between the 3, he took the shot with the highest conversion rate (which is the lay-up and the dunk. And yet the percentage between, maybe just MJ and LeBron, is still close. Imagine letting a guy do 10 lay-ups and dunks and another guy do 10 junpshots and 5 dunks or drives and yet the two men end up close in field goals. Add to the nuance the long permeating idea that the defense nowadays is allowed little room to actually affect the offense, and how a significant amount of LeBron's career is played during an era which is easier to score. As opposed to other eras, such as MJ's era, maybe even some of Kobe's era, where the physicality was significantly more intense... Now considering that... Add that to LeBron's shit selection... He's elite, but scoring wasn't always his thing and he hasn't put up as much elite scoring seasons as compared to the rest of the elites in this list. It's plain to see, giving a player his best piece of work as the sample size... LeBron went from top 3 to zip in All-time Scoring. At least from the list that was shown. Make no mistake, LeBron is no doubt in people's all-time great list. People see him as either #1 and #2--validly so. You could argue that point, but people should stop huffing and puffing this oversimplified presentation of the All time Scoring highly in favor of LeBron without nuance or context. My original comment was simple. My point still stands. Accumulative stats are deceptive. Some of them are all fluff. I would love for you to come up with your own sample size for LeBron's top 5 seasons and actually prove that, after taking things into consideration, he would still be near his original ranking.
@kookurikapooh3 жыл бұрын
@@Adam-tt5cs Way to show who's fan you are by assuming I'm trying to diminish the "greatest 18 years stretch". Lemme make it simple. LeBron is elite LeBron is phenomenal If you want an argument for why LeBron is the GOAT, there are plenty of other stats and metrics out there. This ain't part of that. At leas not in the way people love to point out at big numbers and simply go "wow" without context. Again, if that ain't you, and if you ain't dumb or simple like that, I don't know why your offended. Maybe because I used the word "disappear"? Pfft. Again, he did. In the concept of this 5 and 10 year only consideration. Again, there are plenty of evidence out there to back LeBron's argument for being GOAT... This just ain't it, pure and simple.
@sdstuff49373 жыл бұрын
Jonny really out here making creative, interesting, informative, and entertaining videos and still be this underrated.
@TechReviewShorts8403 жыл бұрын
Have I ever said i love this channel? Love it
@AH-bm5xs3 жыл бұрын
Basically this is just another very useful and important way of quantifying who the best player of all time is... And as always, Michael Jordan stands comfortably above everyone else. You can argue all day about the inclusions and rankings of the top 2-10 greatest players of all time. It's fun to debate! But there is no argument or debate about who the NUMBER 1 is, as almost every possible way you look at it, it's always going to be MJ.
@lamefart3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. You can't compare another basketball player to MJ when he's essentially god tier like Ali level. As what Deion Sanders and Stefon Marbury said, you shouldn't compare MJ to another basketball player. Deion said it's basically blasphemous to do it and Starbury said there's MJ then your top 10 below him. 😁
@jesuschrististhelord99373 жыл бұрын
@@lamefart did yall even watch the whole video? Jordan having so many greens were because he played after 1980. Wilt and russell would take his greens for FMVP, DPOY, and would gain in other awards if blocks and steals were recorded... like wilt would gain another 2 with the blocks alone
@antonihardonk89703 жыл бұрын
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 it’s unbelievable! People always ignore Wilt and if you bring him up they’ll have their lame excuses to dismiss his accomplishments only because they just have their favorite.
@lamefart3 жыл бұрын
@@jesuschrististhelord9937 you missed my whole point but whatever makes you happy. 🤡
@lamefart3 жыл бұрын
@@antonihardonk8970 contrary to what you said, I knew Wilt was holding back all throughout his career and a few times he let go someone got hurt. But he underperformed in the playoffs unlike MJ where his regular season numbers, as great as it is, even got better in the playoffs. It's a comparison between a dominant center and a guard. In a league where height is might, a guard dominated in the era of big men, the 4s and 5s who can camp in the paint.
@samjacob13103 жыл бұрын
RIP Elgin Baylor. This was an awesome video Jonny! Thank you for the sequel. Also, I’m so stoked that you got sponsored. You deserve it. God Bless you Jonny!
@MJIZZEL3 жыл бұрын
Bro so glad you did this video. Just watched the 10 yr video again and looked through the spreadsheet. Thanks for all this research!
@thebrukfella3 жыл бұрын
yeahhh love that! johnny with the sponsors - GET THE MULA!! well deserved
@jonnyarnett3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Thanks. I've had some companies reach out before, but this is the one I really felt great about backing. I'm really liking the emails so far.
@NewAgeSlaves3 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyarnett congrats bro keep going up
@lebronsburner54963 жыл бұрын
RIP Elgin Baylor One of the greats
@ezraprzytyk3 жыл бұрын
Should of included playoff scoring just to show how dominant Jordan was. Wilt may have averaged 40 over a 5 year stretch in the regular season but he only has 13 40 point games in the playoffs for his career while Jordan had 38. He also averaged 12 less ppg than Jordan in the playoffs. Individual dominance has to include playoffs
@timmaz24s3 жыл бұрын
Great point
@Sf751783 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. As great as he is every stat goes down except for rebounds.
@tae14663 жыл бұрын
Wilt still edges him. 60-64 wilt average 34.6 in the playoffs, in 88-92 Jordan averaged 34.5 in the playoffs
@BoosterGoldEarth62 жыл бұрын
For his 5 year prime. Wilt Chamberlain actually average more points in the playoff than MJ, if I'm not mistaken. 34.6 would be his average
@lamefart3 жыл бұрын
Again, MJ dominated where height is might and he wasn't the biggest or tallest yet he put up insane numbers in arguably the greatest era of big men. His career was just a grand trolling of the league. He was just too good. A league of his own.
@wheathillstc85983 жыл бұрын
And he still isn’t better than LeBron
@lamefart3 жыл бұрын
@@wheathillstc8598 who's better than Lebron in flopping? He's not called LeFlop for nothing...
@m11anjackson3 жыл бұрын
@@lamefart you cant just flop ur way to 4 rings 4 fmvps and 4 mvps. get a life.
@lamefart3 жыл бұрын
@@m11anjackson in denial, are we? 🤣
@ibelieveicansoar3 жыл бұрын
Especially because Jordan was said to only be about 6’4.5”
@streamersintern3 жыл бұрын
I expect Wilt to be the GOAT of this.
@Poloskii3 жыл бұрын
Wilt at his best averaged like 40 ppg in like a 3 year span, kobe at his best averaged 43 for a single month, wilt averaged 60 for a month-
@imfrederic23123 жыл бұрын
@@Poloskii He averaged 40 points for 515 consecutive games
@Poloskii3 жыл бұрын
@@imfrederic2312 lmao it sounds fake as hell when u say it like that and let's be real everybody wishes it was because there should not be anybody that good ever
@kevinthekev19793 жыл бұрын
Wilt would be considered at least the 2nd greatest of all time, if all statistics were taken back then, regardless of championships. In my opinion, he was even better than Jordan.
@khaelz3 жыл бұрын
You can't be GOAT if your stats don't translate in the playoffs.
@oliverdennis31153 жыл бұрын
I feel like MJ had the best 5 years ever, 88- Best Season from every player ever, 89- Team has real success with co star Pippen, 90- First ECF, 91-93 Chips and MVPs galore.
@tae14663 жыл бұрын
It would be 88-92 for Jordan. And 12-16 bron could compete. 12-13 two rings, 14-15 dominate individual seasons, and 16- another ring with maybe greatest narrative behind it (beating 73 win team, while leading both teams in all 5 stats). And also bill Russell multiple 5 year combos of having 5 rings with likely 5 finals mvp if they were a thing then while playing the best defense in the league
@Fullmetalmikey.3 жыл бұрын
Honestly tho, kinda surprised that you missed JamesOn Curry of the L.A Clippers and didn't put him on the list! If he would've had a 5YR career he would've EASILY been above MJ and Wilt... Only, his NBA career lasted a solid 3.9 seconds... Tragic
@Solznmid3 жыл бұрын
Lol he finna tell people I was a former nba guard with 3.9 seconds of play 😂
@fruitiusmaximus9253 жыл бұрын
The thing I like about this video, is that it dispels a lot of mistaken notions about what basketball was like, before it was on prime-time TV.
@nc59693 жыл бұрын
so most metrics and most prime numbers show that Mj is the GOAT
@oogabooga29123 жыл бұрын
You mean wilt?
@bostinobaddog20403 жыл бұрын
Yeah and people still say LeBron is "statistically better" like what? Also Wilt makes a huge case here
@kristalmacleod32153 жыл бұрын
who BEAT WHO ? lARRY BIRD or Jordon ? dum dum
@Dilligaf6663 жыл бұрын
Great to finally seeing sponsors jump on...only 7k away mate from that 100k subs going to be so well deserved..
@BasketballHighway193 жыл бұрын
Holy, this dude is growing fast. It seems like yesterday when this dude was at 50k subs. Well deserved recognition
@Dilligaf6663 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah @@BasketballHighway19 the quality is so good, I was so lucky and stumbled across this channel at just over 10k subs and now to be at nearly 100k is inspiring
@Charon583 жыл бұрын
"Stockton wasn't that good. Those big stats are only because he played so long" Nope
@181cameron3 жыл бұрын
Been watching this channel so long I forgot that you were unsullied by sponsorship since 1989. Congratulations on the first, and here's to many more.
@mymountrushmore6235 Жыл бұрын
This is by far the best way to view all top 100 players. Guys with shorter careers get overlooked because of bad injuries etc. Would have liked to have seen win shares offensive n defensive added. Love this
@cylislamb12553 жыл бұрын
Love your content man. Makes my day whenever you upload. Best Basketball Channel out there
@jonnyarnett3 жыл бұрын
Well comments like this make my day too. Thanks :)
@TheFastBreakNBA23 жыл бұрын
@@jonnyarnett its just the truth. Can't deny the truth
@travisbentler20583 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this one for so long!🙏🏼🙏🏼
@towlie7103 жыл бұрын
I keep thinking of a KZfaqr called Rusty Buckets. He has two videos discounting John Stockton (one on pure point guards being overrated then one specifically on John). Yet in the ten year and five year he maintains his amazing stats- from first all time steals and assists to first or second in both 5 and 10 years. Despite his longevity, his consistent all star appearances and play off appearances when you boil it down he still dominates as what alot of people want out of a point guard. That and the players who actually played with him who praise him (Gary Payton, Charles Barkley, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd and Chris Webber among them) tells me Rusty is straight trippin'.
@pappy3743 жыл бұрын
McAdoo is severely underrated. In fact, you hardly ever hear anyone talk about him, which is a shame.
@troliskimosko3 жыл бұрын
jonny i absolutely love your content, thank you so much for making this stuff for us 🙏
@rohanagarwal37033 жыл бұрын
Hey Jonny, great video per usual. I feel like a really cool video idea would be determining who had the greatest season ever. Lmk what you think!
@yeeeaaah62483 жыл бұрын
I think no doubt it would be Wilts 50 ppg season
@troliskimosko2 жыл бұрын
@@yeeeaaah6248 Well accomplishments matter too…Wilt didn’t win MVP, finals mvp, ring, etc. It was amazing statistically, but it didn’t contribute to his team’s success as much as it should have
@owenparker66513 жыл бұрын
What a great concept and an even better execution! Well done young fella. Very, very enjoyable to watch as usual!!
@JA-vg8dk Жыл бұрын
Man this was an awesome video!!! Really puts things in great perspective. I think a 3 seasons only video would provide for guys like Brandon Roy, D Rose, McGrady, Petrovic, etc. to possibly be in the mix. That would make things very interesting… Thanks for your work.
@maineboyce14983 жыл бұрын
Alvin Roberson is my favorite player of all time it is nice to see him up there
@marshallbeasley30253 жыл бұрын
This is the best basketball content
@rodangrahf3 жыл бұрын
its really a travesty that Wilt's 50 ppg or Orcar's triple double season didnt won the MVP in 62. Sure Russell won the ring but the MVP is an individual award
@jayson10133 жыл бұрын
The players voted it
@fruitiusmaximus9253 жыл бұрын
Two words, my friends: Grant Hill That is arguably the best five year run outside of Wilt.
@julianrizzotti24293 жыл бұрын
You deserve at least one million subs
@ikevogan3813 жыл бұрын
10/10 video!
@jameslewis37933 жыл бұрын
Congrats on getting your first sponsor. You deserve it.
@bubbybuckets85243 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the sponsor bro. You earned it
@khalelupac87323 жыл бұрын
There’s one more that need to be added on achievements of MJ and that is his HEART, never giving up despite all the adversity.
@rrmarquezmd3 жыл бұрын
Stats wise that cannot be measured so obviously it cannot be included
@stephenharris9313 жыл бұрын
Almost at that 100k!
@emeanuele3 жыл бұрын
6:45 which means players today aren't even able to do 100 possessions in a game which means today players are always tired which means today players are bad.
@Denz2923 жыл бұрын
I remember you said something about Grant Hill's first 6 years in the NBA, where he had 9,393 points, 3,417 rebounds, and 2,270 assists. Only Oscar Robertson, Larry Bird and Lebron James surpassed these numbers. While this would be different using the 5yr career, how does Grant Hill's career look using this format?
@patrickrutherford67353 жыл бұрын
WILT is still the one, like you said if they would have all the same stats 60 and gave out all the same awards WILT would be number 1.
@bekfastbecheese88743 жыл бұрын
Dang, MJ be topping a lot of lists
@KingBeckwood3 жыл бұрын
That's why he's the goat 🐐
@irishgrl3 жыл бұрын
Not that I see
@bekfastbecheese88743 жыл бұрын
@@irishgrl What do you mean?
@kristalmacleod32153 жыл бұрын
how did MJ fair against Larry Legend ?
@bekfastbecheese88743 жыл бұрын
@@kristalmacleod3215 If Larry didn't have back problems then Larry could be right next to Jordan
@JoseFernandez-mn6qt3 жыл бұрын
You did it again! Excellent video, excellent data and a refreshing point of view.
@swpdisciple3 жыл бұрын
The problem with lists like this is guys like Lebron, and Karl Malone who’s game doesn’t really spike and stays in the same range don’t benefit from a myopic look at their games. Lebron rolls out of bed and is around 27/8/8 every year. A typical Karl Malone season was 26/10/4 whether young or old. It’s an interesting perspective though. I knew Larry Bird would rocket up the list because he was peaking the 5 years right before he injured his back at 29/30yo. He basically put up Lebron/KD numbers with better efficiency splits and more rebounds.
@heatnix32233 жыл бұрын
Good points man, my top 3 wilt, jordan, lebron in that order. Better watch all the lebron we can before he gone lol...
@mark4mused4893 жыл бұрын
lol lebron overated lol droping off every list while jordan holds his ground
@akaDOOD3 жыл бұрын
I actually watched the 10 year one yesterday lol this should be a pleasant surprise
@reneecastle67463 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this difficult work on a regular basis
@jordimondaca23833 жыл бұрын
This is gotta be one of the most underrated channels ever out there. Lots of love! Ps. Still waiting patiently for the top 50 players video 👀
@isaacbrown18433 жыл бұрын
This Goat posted another video smh🤦🏽♂️stay dropping bomb videos
@neymarcito13 жыл бұрын
I’m not early, I’m not late. But when I see Jonny Arnett Post, I click straight
@randallwellman96933 жыл бұрын
And people call me crazy saying I’d take Bird over Bron if you wanna win 😂😂
@Farragutsfinest3 жыл бұрын
Arguably the best basketball KZfaq Channel out there.
@jonnyarnett3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fernando!
@sticky94003 жыл бұрын
lol i just watched the 10 year career video!
@Mektek193 жыл бұрын
Yet again it just shows that Jordan is the GOAT.
@dynamicflashy3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Evans There's no guarantee Wilt would've gotten that many Defensive Player of the Year awards when Bill Russel was in the league at the same time. Also, Wilt had fewer titles, finals MVPs and league MVPs in that stretch. Considering the inflated rebounding of the era, all things considered, I'm still going with Jordan.
@irishgrl3 жыл бұрын
No, it doesn’t.
@irishgrl3 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Osabuehien I think a case can be made for Larry Bird.
@tae14663 жыл бұрын
@@dynamicflashy blocks, bpg, block titles definitely go to wilt which gives him 9. And bill Russell would drop Jordan to 7 if finals mvp and dpoy were a thing back then
@bachopinbee59913 жыл бұрын
Always amazed by your content bro!
@reneecastle67463 жыл бұрын
I forgot jordan use to be up against guys like Alvin Robertson,because these modern fan keep repeating, ehlo and hornacek , Alvin Robertson should be in the hall of fame, 3x steal champ, 1 x defensive player of the year, 6x all defense, 4x all star mostly in 8 seasons,back injuries after that.
@TheFastBreakNBA23 жыл бұрын
ALREADY KNOW IT'S A BANGER Edit: I guess I'm first
@stephenharris9313 жыл бұрын
First in what
@TheFastBreakNBA23 жыл бұрын
@@stephenharris931 first comment
@stephenharris9313 жыл бұрын
@@TheFastBreakNBA2 I was there you were not the first comment
@TheFastBreakNBA23 жыл бұрын
@@stephenharris931 I'm not exactly sure, but if you go to "newest first", then you scroll all the way down, I'm pretty sure I was the one at the bottom. But I don't really care if I'm first.
@stephenharris9313 жыл бұрын
@@TheFastBreakNBA2 ok I get it
@davidcastellini90923 жыл бұрын
For everyone saying that John Stockton was just longevity. Shut up
@keepitprivate913 жыл бұрын
"he had no left"
@vingthor132 жыл бұрын
Wow , Whatta mind to come up with this... I Love It!!!! I remember they used to have that Jack Niclaus commercial where they they put his best score each hole , of The Masters golf course in Agusta , GA. Best scores thru-out his career & he played there ALOT! The score-card looked like some-1 rolled a die that didn't have any #'s higher than a rare 4 or ONE =) .............Keep up the great job ^ ^
@mrho4speed9 ай бұрын
Great video and thank you!! Bird shooting 50-40-90 over 5 years is just amazing!!!!
@MrEypo3 жыл бұрын
MJ is just in a league of his own. I often compare this discussion to the eight summits (eight mountains above 8 km). You could put everyone on top of Mount Everest or on K2 but MJ is very alone on top of Mount Olympus.
@Mister__Jey3 жыл бұрын
Interesting but also somehow extremely predictable that LeBron James Drops out of all top ten categories in which he is represented. And also afterwards, where the highlights are then marked in green, every player has two or three highlights marked in green and then comes Michael Jordan and almost half of the stats is marked in green 🤣👍
@teejaye6226 Жыл бұрын
The NBA should officially promote your channel.......your channel promotes the NBA more than any channel bc you pay homage to players that can be labeled as "The Foundation".....This channel is a national service.
@TonyaTickleTitties3 жыл бұрын
You're extremely underrated man, you deserve 10x the amount of subscribers
@chrishandsome42673 жыл бұрын
Definitely MJ. Next question
@PRvega12293 жыл бұрын
Legit my favorite basketball channel on KZfaq. Thank you for the entertaining content Jonny!
@Bleatmop3 жыл бұрын
This is some damn fine GOAT KZfaq NBA pundit content.
@vicepresidentmikepence8893 жыл бұрын
Micheal Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs In the year before Micheal Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Micheal Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Micheal Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
@nahheio3 жыл бұрын
Delusional
@dthehacker95133 жыл бұрын
Stfu
@raferalstonisgoat44573 жыл бұрын
i think you meant to say 14-15 heat and not 13-14 heat. But your point still remains true. Lebron improves a team more than jordan no doubt he is the more impactful player.
@Ready2Ride083 жыл бұрын
Boy stfu
@_1luljayyy3 жыл бұрын
Copying and pasting once again. Come up with a different argument thank you
@marcowolf96853 жыл бұрын
In the history of every game ever played in the NBA, both regular season and playoffs, only 26 30/30 games by people not named Wilt Chamberlain have taken place. Wilt had 12 30/30 games out of his first 52 playoff games(7 seasons). He only had 124 during the regular season.
@OG-SherlockHolmes2 жыл бұрын
Good video. But I gotta be honest, my favorite part was Shaq dunking on Scott Pollard at the end,lol