Now that sums it all up!

Amen. So why compromise and work with small minds and egos?!!!

Just as much as you hate using your brain, idiot.

@@TheLifePhoenix Because society isnt built to support you and you'll fail at life without a platform and be in hell your entire life. Theres a reason theyre called starving artists. the world is made up of 99% bums and if you can figure out a way to fix that, call me

i love you

That the problem right there , if creativity represents the size of ocean then Organization/Consciousness and Intelligence represents the size of your boat to ride it , The more overwhelming Oceans became the more unstable and defeated your boat becomes , yet if your boat is like a heavy cruiser to you then its likely you are in a lake not an ocean for your lack of exploration and creative skills have created that defect , its better if you ride the oceans but ride on the currents which may be unstable but manageable for you , FOR IF YOU DONT then the currents will just overwhelm you.hindering your creativity Useless

very true

Well - that is the real truth. what he says - in general - is false - but if you are an introvert or ONLY creative - then he is correct.

Find a means to manifest your creativity. I'm a musician and songwriter/poet. That's one of the many ways I manifest my creativity. You seem to like cars so you could learn to paint pictures of sports cars, for example. You could even sell your services so people would hire you to paint a picture of their beloved car or truck. People do portraits of humans, so there will most definitely be car guys who would love a painting of their car. But this is just an example, you can probably think of a better idea.

Socrates is both introverted and massive creative

I recommend avoiding any union jobs in that case. Same issues. Your value is based on time served not quality of work

Stop being an order following piece of immoral trash dude..... You call that being a man? Jeez GOD: why did you kill that man? STORM TROOPER:..... errr.... I was just following orders.... GOD: why did you kill that man?

@@JesusLordOfLords455 stop being a overly judgmental piece of trash before you start telling people what’s wrong with them.

Don't fix people's problem if you get nothing for it. It is why creative people are taken advantage of because thier not following the norm. Thier easy picking for taking advantage of.

Ha, I relate to the stolen ideas part - people have been passing off my ideas as their own forever

...I'm putting that on a t-shirt.

truefilm yes it does make it hard for Creative people to get jobs and be as creative but I have for boys that are very creative they do short films they do comics they do music but they all have day jobs because they want a family also and in order to have a family you have to be able to provide as a man not that their women don't work but nobody wants to have to take care of someone else why they go have all the fun and the other person has to do the job being responsible for the household that is why my kids are successful and they do have happy lives they may never get rich but they enjoy their families and their art

+debbie wilder - Happy for you and your kids (NO sarcasm, I mean it!). It's not about riches. If you are truly creative and have a clear goal (making great art, for others to enjoy and which has something to say and to convey) you just cannot enjoy it unless you become skilled enough to even start working on your best projects. If someone is able to enjoy art as a hobby while not compromising family and a job that provides a steady income: more power to them! Not saying your kids are not true artists (how can I, I don't know them). Just: you need to dedicate all the time you have to even get the minimum skills required to produce great art (or craftsmanship). A true creative artist is driven - art has chosen this person. That's why I don't have a day job and no family - and since Western culture doesn't take art as seriously as it should (IMHO) I am not a successful artist (I had a long period where things went rather well) either, but I created works I am proud of (a lot of music that actually was being broadcast many times ranging from album tracks to music for TV commercials before cheap stock library music took over and threw us musicians out on the street) - because I put my entire being into it. Someone has to do it - otherwise we would end up even faster in a world without art. Just look at what happened to architecture, painting and music. Classical ( I use the term in its meaning "non-popular" as opposed to the classical period between baroque and romanticism -think Mozart) music is creatively bankrupt since the 1910s. The pop/rock music business is finished since a long time ago - it's all run-of-the-mill music which is more about the visuals. The great bands are all hidden in niche markets. One last thing: I also do short films for all my life (I started in the 1970s with Super 8mm film) - on a real professional film format, not digital, a personal preference. Coming up with even ONE single shot that is more than just amateur footage, it takes years to study, plan and at least an entire day to shoot).

truefilm I'm aware no one can help me in this case but I need an answer anyway. I'm 18 years old now and also a native german who's currently facing the exact same problem. I can either follow my familiys advice to get a job make some financial status and at the same time try to be creative (this would also be JPs advice), or I go on full risk like you did and study for example literature, art history or philosophy in this case I'd have more time to be creative but when I fail I'll sit alone and poor in a small flat at the age of 50 without love/respect from anyone, and without a wife or children which are both things I consider as essential for a meaningful life. I don't know which szenario is worse being lonely, childless, sad and unrespected by my whole familiy and friends or working in a job like a slave in which I have to obey and slog away all the day and at the same time loosing the nescessary energy to be a good creative. Well I know I exaggerate a bit xD at least I hope so .... AND btw you're so fucking right with your opinion on germany! In germany and especially in richer south germany creative people are so unapprechiated until they're actually very succesful the highest status goes to boring people. I really like my country for it's culture but it's a shame it nowadays still calls itself "land of poets and philosophers". I mean of course that's what makes us economically succesful but on a cultural level we suffer.

+Felix W - my humble advice: since you do have parents (or other family members) who actually try to give you sound advice, my answer is: don't follow your dreams, they are just that: dreams. More than ever, since the arts are officially bankrupt (they weren't in the 1980s and 90s, but it started to decline.). You need to eat and pay the bills - and that costs a LOT of money. Also I know from my own experience that living without a family in a shoddy apartment at age 50 is not desirable at all. If I was now at the age of, say, 19, I wouldn't chose the arts anymore. Now that everything's gone (everyone can hammer out a tune on a laptop in their bedroom - both because it has become easier and music is creatively bankrupt since long ago, the same goes for film making, painting, you name it) there is no more excitement in the arts anyway - it's all a data cloud. I do my own thing and have two KZfaq channels where I share everything I know with like minded people - and I am happy I was able to help many already, so at least I have a strong purpose). Yet: here is my humble advice: go for the well paid job, if you can manage to do it without suffering and - VERY important: don't marry too early. You need to find a kindred, like minded woman which whom you can truly communicate (like she does need a man like that). At your age it's all too easy falling in love with the wrong woman. Having your own family - that sticks together and functions must be the greatest thing, for a million reasons. As an artist, you won't truly and consistently make it. No one will anymore. I didn't and nobody I ever knew truly made it. As soon as you hit a certain age, it will dry up anyway and you will end up half starving, getting old, ill and being alone. Avoid that! It's not worth it - under any circumstances. Just my humble opinion.

Thank you very much for your opinion. I'm kind of surprised you recommend to go the ordinary way. To be honest I tended to this choice before, mainly cause of the reasons you've mentioned but I just can't get rid of the feeling I would betray my ideals and my character with this, it still feels wrong. In the past I've watched out for a normal job you can be creative in, like designing something or being a journalist, the problem is these jobs are so in demand that I would have to spend way to much time into work to have any chance to write or paint in my free time. As a consequence I would kill my last bit of time to achieve what I truely want. It's really weird for me right now, two years ago when I was like 16 I was so idealistic, I was so determined to follow my dreams that I was sure to take any consequence for it. I sweared to myself I will never become on of these boring persons who in their 20s only concentrate on job and partner and judge everyone on how much money you have, how your partner looks like or how many friends you have, but now there's nothing left of this determination except this feeling I have to try it anyways. The problem is when creative jobs are out of the question there are only highly normal and boring jobs left to take. There may be 99% of failing but there is a 1% chance to success and I feel like I have to try it. Do you know where I'm coming from? On the other hand you nailed it, I don't want to belong to the 99% I don't want to be alone and starving and sadly this is way more probable. That's why I'll go for the job as a civil servant next year if I don't change my mind till then. Regarding marriage I agree with you I consider myself to be able to judge people very appropriate and I'm aware everyone has flaws. I have many myself. You know actually I'm not a person who cares much about money and posessions, but sadly women do a lot. And I care about women. Now when they are 18 they care about on which party you go (I don't go on partys often) but when you're 30 they care about if you're able to build a house. Also I don't want to pity you, but you seem to me like a honourable, intelligent person so it really upsets me when I hear how you ended up. Life is very unfair so I wish you all the best. I can recommend you deeply the norwegian author Karl Ove Knausgard he has written a fantastic autobiography about his struggle to become a writer (which is also my wish) and failing.

I agree fully and additionally, creative types need certification, schooling, etc. Trying to make it as a creative without any credentials is both socially and financially suicidal.

Margarita Vid 😁👍

Finally! F*cking finally! I finally know why the hell school exhausts the living being out of me. I don’t like to brag but people often tell me I’m too inteligent and creative for normal schooling, I feel the same way. More often then not I feel like school system is pulling me apart, like they are tearing the soul out of me. There isn’t much creativity involved in mechanical engineering you know? You also don’t use your brain that much because everything you learn has already been determined. It’s dreadful...

Definately! None of my "menral health" workers ever understood my creative artistic heart, just tried to labotomize me with medication and try to panel beat me back into societys mold, this doesn't work, and is poisonous to be around, i live in the middle of a toxic society that wants people like me dead

Oh my gosh right. I think I've been suppressing my creativity for all this analytical stuff and oh Lord it's fun when everything is turned upside down

How did you make the cafe successful?

Yes, but that only happened after you bought the landromat next to the cafe. :)

Me: This seems like a really good quote *Sees '-Niccolò Machiavelli' * _ _ Also Me: (O)>(O) O

I feel you

Isn’t there some creativity inherent in learning your way as quickly as you can up a hierarchy, at least when it comes to learning new skills? Admittedly, when it comes to repetitive implementation, earning respect is a drag…

I still love to argue... hehe ;-)

Creativity is much more than the ability to stain things and produce noise.

@@kofola9145 lmao did an artist steal your girl or sth ?

TheKlink What does it mean?

Disagree. Don't listen to Jordan on that point. Artists now can sell on the internet. Just be you.

@@zarazalazar Good luck with that.

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Creatives really do need to adopt an entrepreneurial mindset.

@@slicedtopieces It's not that simple though. In this particular video Peterson brings up an important point, with lots of emphasis for a reason. He says it's "very, very, very, very, very hard for creative people to monetize their creativity." You could be the world's greatest, freshest poet and learn everything there is about marketing and business but you still might only get $1,000 from a tiny publisher for your masterpiece book of poetry. It's extremely hard to make money from music, art, writing, etc. - the best advice I have is similar to Peterson's, here - you basically still need to find a career and do something you don't hate doing. For me it was taking my love of language and writing and becoming a professor. Some people who love to write get into technical writing or marketing/communications or digital marketing, etc. - basically you still need to supplement that creativity with practical skills so you can survive in the world. (And I'm a fringe case, because most people can't just get a PhD and become a professor, it's like 1% of the US population that ends up with a doctoral degree, or maybe less.)

Congratulations man, I looked up your app and it's great to see how successful it has become

+Hernán Cortés sounds exactly like title music for a 1980s TV crime drama.

All that's missing is a speed boat running from the coast guard

Hernán Cortés what about the video itself

Don’t know the name of it but it’s from One Piece

wow this was very motivating. felt like a victim for a moment. thanks for snapping me back to my senses

huh?

It is fairly hard to evaluate subjective things like art. It is fairly easy to evaluate objective things like science, technology, and inventions.

@@kofola9145 Scientific models don't present themselves, and hence nothing could be harder to evaluate than science.. At one time it was fashionable to espouse the Geocentric model of solar systems, to the point where anyone who disagreed would be censored, exiled, or worse. Note the model of epicycles rooted in Geocentrism was much more sophisticated than presuming circular (or eliptical) orbits. Today isn't much different, for example string theory is more complex than plain old particle theory, just never mind that it doesn't explain anything about the nature of reality. A scientific theory of reality simply can't exist except where perception is the model of reality. You say it's "easy" or "hard" to evaluate this or that, but how do we evaluate evaluation? The task of physics is to explain why computation is universal, which can only imply that cognition is universal and that reality is predicated on cognition, not the other way around.

@@xxxYYZxxx The fact we were able to decide which model of the solar system is the correct one means we are able to evaluate science. The long history of discoveries proves we are able to tell right from wrong. Can we say the same about art?

@@kofola9145 We can evaluate science, but only when the issues under evaluation are rested from the arena of political discourse. Geocentrism was first and foremost a political (and religious) theory. Political positions masquerading as scientific theories confer default authority upon their advocates, and since the unprovable also can't be disproved, censoring valid theories while espousing outright nonsense becomes the politicians modus operandi, as per the politics we're seeing today. The fraudulent pandemic hoax is the textbook example of politicized (pseudo) scientific tyranny. We can say the same about art, that its proper creation and evaluation can proceed only when both art and evaluation are unhindered by some politicized pretense to authority. Conceptual art often uses societal norms, laws, or regulations as the very basis of the work. In this way, artists can make indirect social commentary which can't be censored without also bringing the concealed issue to light.

same

How did you do it?

Why?

artists are starving because they create little value WOW.

@@evans2267 Have you tried to sell your gucy gang copy to your friend?

Just because you don't see value in something doesn't mean it's of little value, it just means that you are blind to its value. 'Telling jokes' has no value, say that to a successful comedian. 'Jamming with friends' has no value? Say that to any well knows musician, and they will tell you how very wrong you are.

@@suraspen8152 if artists are starving them because they create little of value= if Artists are not starving then because they create something of value. Modern art=creation of 5yo old. Yet there are ppl who actually pay money for modern art. What's the difference? The ability to convince others of subjective value?

@@kofola9145 Isn't your whole argument baised around the ignorant assumption that all artists are starving? Let's not even go into the argument on the value of art, the value of any object is different to different people. And I wouldn't expect you to understand the value I see in art and entertainment for that matter. The rate at which it is sold, if the artist is willing to sell it, is a price agreed upon by the buyer and the seller unlike mass produced products. All I can see in your last point is that you fail to see any form of art that is currently sold other than modern art. I'll take digital art as an example for this, going from logos, graphic novels, digital paintings, etc. Each of them have their own market and the prices always depend on what the artist sees its value to be. I personally am unable to see the value in what is generally described as modern art either but I am certain that it holds value to the artist and the buyer.

Very true. I have a series that explores ways that creative people can monetize their passion and companies like Apple and google have made this a reality for many of them.

You know the worst is having a creative job and having all the creativity sucked out from it. When you come home you are so drained you have no drive to do anything.

@@hgzmatt True with a capital T

You only know his name because he was a good businessman

You are basically saying that everybody starts with the same creative ability. That doesn't seem right. Some (most) people do give up their ambition to become a soulless slave.

@@hgzmatt They become desperate and are tricked by evil talentless selfish fat people in power. ie HR Huseless Retards.

haha