BMW R1300GS Comfort and Passenger Comfort vs R1250GS - Which is better for a Pillion / Passenger

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Күн бұрын

BMW R1300GS VS R1250GS Comfort Test and Passenger Review - (GS 1300 Trophy, GS 1300 Triple Black, GS 1300 Option 719 Tramuntana) Pillion Comfort ?
Today we continue with the comparison between the outgoing R1250GS Rallye (my own bike) and the new R1300GS Triple Black in terms of ultimate comfort for the rider and passenger / pillion.
My wife agreed to be passenger for 8 hours over two days to help answer the question… how comfortable is the new R1300GS and are the new comfort seats as good as the old R1250GS comfort seats?
In the last episode (Part 2) we explored the benefits of DAS, EVO Telelever, Variable Spring Rate and Adaptive Vehicle Height Control in relation to suspension performance and how you can get the best from the new system on your R-1300GS.
Part 4 will be available very soon and is 100% focused on the Dynamic capabilities of the new R1300GS, which are absolutely amazing - press a button and it becomes a sports bike !
If you have any questions, just leave me a comment and I will reply…
Hopefully you enjoy the content I create, so by Subscribing you are letting me know, that you appreciate the effort and time I invest in creating these episodes, and it also helps to grow and develop the channel.
Best Wishes, Carl
Chapters
00:00 Start
00:46 Assessing Comfort
02:44 The Test Procedure
04:00 Passenger Comfort
07:46 Grab Handles
11:30 Suspension
14:40 Rider Comfort
15:54 Seat Problem !

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@hangpilot1200 Ай бұрын

Have to agree. New BMW owner coming from Japanese inline-4s. I traded in my 2023 S1000XR for the 2024 R1300GS. The GS actually feels like a smaller bike slow-speed than the XR. And, plenty of fun in the twisties, yet perfect pillion comfort for my wife. It may not be as good as the 1250 in some spots, but it's probably expanding the rider demographic in many others. My wife can't wait for BMW to figure out the luggage problems so that she has a top box to lean against!

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Totally agree, my wife insists on the topbox on the 1250 which provides the passenger with additional security and something to lean against. The 1300 is an amazing motorbike and I really like it 👍 Best wishes Carl

@neiljarman2556 Ай бұрын

Erm, I got all three (two panniers and the topcase) and cannot understand your problem. They central lock really well, are infinitely adjustable and seem OK to me. Do you need something with padding for the pillion to recline against? By design, there is free movement, and this may be off-putting to someone expecting 100% rigidity. Sorry but I am an old man who cannot relate to the root of your problem.

@triguywon9938 Ай бұрын

Sandra’s pillion review was insightful, especially since she rides her own bike and is passenger. Please more videos with Sandra’s input, it will give my wife encouragement to get back to riding.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Triguy, thank you 🙏, a message for your wife… it all changed for us as a couple once I bought the Multistrada in 2018, Sandra went from an occasional passenger to asking to join me regularly, first year we did 2k, second year 4K but in 2020 out of the blue she announced she wanted to get back onto her own bike so we bought the KTM 390 duke which she loves. Ps, TopBox really helps a passenger feel secure and I’m sure that’s what made the difference for us as a couple. Kind regards Carl

@creedm3040 Ай бұрын

Awesome video! Sandra was wonderful and offered a great perspective. I am looking forward to the next video. Best!

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Creed, thank you 🙏 Sandra took some convincing to be in front of the camera… lol. Have a great Sunday 👍

@bradleyalexander5821 Ай бұрын

Hello Sandra, good to meet you. Uncommonly thorough comparison as usual. By far these videos leave no stone unturned. Well played and informative.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Bradley, I’ll pass on your wishes, glad you enjoyed the video. Kindest regards Carl

@user-ve8oe7ts1w Ай бұрын

Thanks for this post, will certainly help our decision making process when it comes to us buying a new bike.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Ian, it’s always a difficult decision buying a new motorbike, glad the series is helping, the new R1300GS is an amazing bike 👍, if I didn’t already have a 1250, I would buy one in a heartbeat Kind regards Carl

@brianlekei8920 Ай бұрын

Carl, you do such a good job of planning, setting up your testing and executing your videos, thank you. Pleased to meet you Sandra and thank you for your input. There aren’t many testers actually involving pillion in the testing, this is very valuable information for those who ride pillion and with pillion and the way you and Sandra presented it is fantastic. Another reason I’ll not be upgrading to the new shiny toy. Well done again.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Brian, thank you 🙏 we actually had a lot of fun putting this episode together, Sandra was very nervous before we started but soon got the hang of it. It’s a lovely motorbike and I was sad to give it back 🫣 Regards Carl

@maurowind7617 Ай бұрын

Thanks Carl for your work! and thanks also to Sandra for her friendly and competent collaboration! I appreciate your very honest videos. ciao e grazie 👍

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you 👍 much appreciated the feedback

@Edward6124 Ай бұрын

This is more than just a test drive Carl. Very good to report your experience with the new GS. Please thank Sandra for her input!

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you Edward, I will definitely pass on your message 👍

@user-hf8ve8zc6x Ай бұрын

Thank you Carl and Sandra for a fantastic video for us who usually drive with passengers.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Christian , thank you 🙏

@ronroccolarosa5575 Ай бұрын

Hi Carl, i thank you for this review & for your wifes unbiased opinion. Shes a keeper! I follow you on all accounts and your opinion & your accssory reviews & installs are invaluble!! Thank you for your ability as a lay person to explain things in a informative and understandable fashion!!

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Good morning and thank you for your very kind words. More to come as the season moves along, best wishes Carl

@btcbiker Ай бұрын

Brilliant video Carl and nice to meet you Sandra 😎

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@fredensminde Ай бұрын

Another excellent video👍 This was really interesting. Thanks to both of you. Like yourself i am very lucky to have a wife who loves riding motorcycles. We did almost 300 km two up on the SAS today in beautiful weather. She prefers the comfort and suspension on the 1250GS i had before ( and so do i ), but the grunt of the SAS. Looking forward to the next episode.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Søren, thank you 🙏, glad to hear you are lucky too, with a wife who also loves motorbikes and the freedom and joy they bring. Yes the SAS does indeed have a huge amount of grunt… very nice indeed. Glad to hear you both a had a great day out 👍. Kindest regards Carl and Sandra

@mats3188 Ай бұрын

This is one of the best video who explain the different between this bikes i have seen 😊👍

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Mat, thank you 🙏 glad you are enjoying the R1300GS series Best wishes Carl

@ravivemuri892 Ай бұрын

Well balanced and comprehensive review. Thank you.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you Ravi 👍

@patmaerten5007 Ай бұрын

Superbe vidéo avec des commentaires toujours aussi pertinents !!!! Bravo à vous et votre épouse pour ce partage passionnant 👍

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@paulrod6760 8 күн бұрын

Carl, another excellent video thank you. And thanks to your wife as well. I’d also like to comment on some thing that you had mentioned before about the drivers triangle and comfort. On my GS 1300 the drivers foot pegs are not adjustable. So I ended up buying the lowering foot pegs from Tour Tech. They’re awesome way better than OEM. Also, you were spot on with the rider position with the handlebars and it being more forward like a sport bike so again I bought tour tech risers with an offset that moves the handlebar closer to the driver and both of these simple modifications made it perfect for me.

@justthewayitis 8 күн бұрын

Hi Paul, I think a lot of new 1300 owners might consider doing the two modifications you have done as it just opens up that space just a little but it makes a big difference. Thank you for sharing your upgrade as it will help other new 1300 owners. Have a good weekend Carl 👍

@marcfalardeau6058 Ай бұрын

Hi Carl, thanks to you and your lovely wife Sandra for this episode! Regards, Marc, Quebec! 😉🏍🇨🇦

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

👍🙏

@saafan Ай бұрын

Excellent review

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you Ahmad 🙋🏻‍♂️

@maxflight777 Ай бұрын

WRT seats, I chose the “high comfort seat” on the 1300. Utterly delighted with it . The high comfort seat is way better than the 1250 seat. With the “automatic “ height adjustment even short riders can choose the high comfort seat Carl.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏 this is what I thought might be the case, thank you for confirming 👍

@DrsNirvoso Ай бұрын

Again a good video Carl. Comfort is always a subject gets close to personal opinion, but I agree with other commentators that you and your wife did a great job bringing this subject across. And I agree with you that the 1300 is more sporty and less long-distance 'relaxed'. So I bought one of the last brand-new R1250GS Trophy-editions that were left in the Netherlands!

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you for your message it’s a difficult subject Comfort.. as we are all different and like different things. Glad to hear you are happy with your Trophy 🏆 it’s a lovely looking GS. Kind regards Carl

@steveswain4646 Ай бұрын

Thanks i can't wait

@lavi38 Ай бұрын

A professional video as usual and a surprise of Sandra by your side, very refreshing from the perspective of a passenger in the back seat, another advantage is that she has experience riding a motorcycle and that is the advantage Waiting for a comparison video of an acid type battery for 1250 against a lithium battery for 1300

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Lavi, thank you 🙏 Well many owners have had starting problems with the new R1300GS, but it seems to be fixed now under warranty by BMW. Some new parts are fitted and the battery is ok after this work. But yes it would be an interesting comparison 👍 especially as you save a lot of weight fitting the lithium battery but is as reliable? I hope you have enjoyed a great weekend, best wishes Carl

@hawkslayers1 Ай бұрын

Fantastic review between the differences on both bike i bought a brand new r1250gsa triple black 7 days ago its my 4th gs and im convinced that the 1250 is atleast for me the better bike and its lovely to see you and your wife having fun my wifes loves going on the back more than riding herself 😂

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏, the 1250 is a great place to be for both rider and passenger, and the GSA has even more protection from the elements. Convincing my wife to appear in a video was the most difficult task .. Have a great Sunday Carl

@felixlechat1780 Ай бұрын

BMW has thought of everything in advance to offer a new model without being better than the old generation. Apple uses the same marketing strategy for their product. It is a new product that leaves a lot of room for improvement and therefore justifies changing and always changing for the improved model. don't fall into the trap

@shegocrazy Ай бұрын

Every review I've seen decides that the passenger is less comfortable on the 1300. Most decide that the rider is less comfortable. If you are not coming from a 1250 then maybe it's not noticeable. Too few reviewers look at the passenger needs so this is a very useful review.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Yes, both seats need to be improved but I doubt BMW will listen to us 😔

@HalfManHalfPirate Ай бұрын

great vid, the pillion perspective is often not featured ( along with headlight performance) My 1250GSA has very good standard seats, and i also have Sargent Seats which came from my 1200 and find there isn't a lot in it for comfort between them. My wife, however prefers the Sargent. I'm awaiting the announcement of the new Adventure to see if it's worth trading in again but it will have a tough act to follow on from the 1250 GSA as it's a very capable touring bike.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi and thank you for sharing your experience with seats… and I think many of us are waiting to see what the new GSA will be like as 50% of all GS models are the GSA version. Kind regards Carl

@slipthegreyhound Ай бұрын

Thanks for the review Carl. I’ve always swapped my seat for a sergeants seat. The BMW ones were always domed in shape, whereas the Sargent seat is quite flat which I find is better. So looks like I’ll be upgrading my seat as soon as Sargent release a R1300gs variant. 👍

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi slip, please send a picture once you have your new Sargent seat, I’ve heard many good reports on them. 👍

@slipthegreyhound Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis ⁠the one that was on my 1250 was all day comfortable for me. So hopefully when they roll the new R1300 one out, it will be as good 🤞

@robsonllf Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the comparisons between the seats, I just looked at the seat on the 1300, and it seems narrower and less comfortable than the 1250.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Rob, glad you enjoyed the video 👍

@pneumaticman5927 9 күн бұрын

Sandra is a charming, gracious lady. That input is jmportant for me because I sold my R1250RT about a year ago and seriously regret it. So, looking to get a GS this time and trying to decide between 1250 (which I dearly love) and the 1300. In Austin, Texas traffic, which is stop and go and crazy, lighter and more agile means a lot. Plus, I’m only getting older, so lighter is better.

@justthewayitis 9 күн бұрын

Then the 1300 with AVHC is the one to go for much more nimble. 👍

@pneumaticman5927 9 күн бұрын

@@justthewayitis Thanks, brother!

@savas6066 Ай бұрын

Very good comparison, thanks a lot. Actually what you concluded is more or less exactly what I thought about R1250 and R1300 GS's. I was an R1200 GS owner and never ride R1250 or R1300. But from reviews, comments, looks, specs etc. I got similar thoughts about them. Somehow I still think that even if I own R1250 now I would miss the comfort of my earlier R1200 ! Thanks for the nice round up. In terms of price-performance, comfort I think R1250 is my style but what I like on R1300 though is it's compactness and the advanced tech. In the end for me all these 3 bikes are great. I wouldn't conclude that one is superior to the other. In the end it depends on the needs/style/desires/budget of the owners... By the way at the beginning of the video I was expecting somehow a shy performance from your wife before the cameras, but it turned out that she is a perfect presenter 😊 Safe rides to everyone...

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Savas, thank you for your kind words, my wife was a little nervous before we started but quickly she was comfortable and able to share her thoughts and experiences with the new R1300GS. Yes, you are right ! It all depends on what we want from a motorbike and the budget we have to spend. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 👍 Kind regards Carl

@pedrojoseballestapenalver2111 Ай бұрын

good afternoon, great reflection and even more so with the help of your partner, I have to say that the same thing happened to me, I usually do 500km or 800km outings even on travel days, and when we went to see and test the GS 1300 my partner He told me, don't be crazy about changing the 1250 for this one, and what a cost my first GS was the 1250 adventure that we had to change because we were over the mileage mark of the brand 33,000km in two years, my current GS is just one year old 18500km and pending this year in September go up to Normandy and down through the black forest of Germany. a hug

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Pedro Gracias por tu mensaje y por compartir tus experiencias con la 1250. La 1300 es una moto preciosa pero la 1250 es un poco más cómoda. I hope you enjoyed a great weekend 👍

@steveswain4646 Ай бұрын

Hi, great review on the new gs, especially from your wife point of view. Now I have a question, I'm test riding both bikes on Friday and would like to know if you were a first-time owner of a gs, knowing what you know, which one you would buy. Thanks

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Without any doubt the new R1300GS, it’s simply better in so many areas. Sure the seats could be better and I don’t like the removal of the rear taillight assembly, but overall it’s an impressive design . However testing both this week will give you a very good feeling of which one suits you, your riding style and requirements. Let me know which you choose Carl

@CCooke-nm2be Ай бұрын

Excellent video, very helpful. Something else to keep in mind, are the tires that are fitted. The demonstrator I rode at the dealership was fitted with Michelin Anakee . These I found to be very plush and confidence inspiring in the wet. The only downside was a lack of feel and slightly vague . My own bike came with Metzeler Tourance . These I found much harsher and the sensation of less grip . Feedback was much better with these though.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi, yes as with all motorbikes tyre choice can have a big impact on how a bike performs and feels, both bikes had Metzeler Next Tourance 2 tyres so it was easy to compare the two in terms of feedback and feel. Kind regards Carl

@CCooke-nm2be Ай бұрын

Thanks Carl. I am not sure if the Michelins use a softer carcass in their construction, but compared to the Metzelers the ride quality was much better. I am putting the difference between the two bikes down to tires, as both had DSA .The only other variable is, mine is fitted with the automatic ride height adjustment. The demonstrator did have 3000 miles on it. In your experience, do you think this would have made the suspension a little softer/plusher ?

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

I think the difference might just be down to tyres and possibly the DSA setting , suspension doesn’t really bed-in in the sort term so the 3k the test bike had I don’t think has any affect . I presume you have tried DSA in the -1 and -2 settings to see which you prefer, lots of owners like Road mode with -1 DSA. Carl

@CCooke-nm2be Ай бұрын

Thanks Carl, the -1 on road is what I am currently using .It must be down to the tires then 😄

@Elskins Ай бұрын

Thanks, appreciate your comparison. I guess I keep my 2019 GS with Tractive/Touratech suspension then. My wife loves the comfy ride.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video 🙏

@pneumaticman5927 9 күн бұрын

Actually I’m looking at a GS 1250 with Wunderlich Tractive suspension already installed front and rear. Like it? Real benefits?

@Elskins 9 күн бұрын

@@pneumaticman5927 night and day compared to 1250 stock suspension on our broken tarmac roads, not to mention offroad.

@pneumaticman5927 9 күн бұрын

@@Elskins WOW! Night and day - that’s a big difference! Yeah, the bike I’m looking at is at ‘21 GS and the guy literally spent something like 18,000 on accessories and parts. Only has 10,000 miles on it and not a scratch. The new bike with accessories, the ones I want anyway, would be 40,000. Or pretty close.

@49googie Ай бұрын

Greetings from N.I. Nordirland as your good lady would say. Great vlog as usual and it's what I thought 1300 is not realy for two up touring. My 2021 1250 is sooooo comfortable yes the bike is a bit tall for us concessions ( over 60s) but passenger foot peg lowering does help. But as our dealer here in Belfast does NOT allow two up testing i will never know. It's like buying a car and your partner not allowed to sit in it..Bonkers so I'm off to look at the new Triumph 1200 after riding BM,s for 25 years. Regards Robert

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Robert, oh that’s not a great approach from your dealership, shame. The vehicle ride height control system makes a really big difference for both the rider and passenger, I think other manufacturers are going to follow that route. Best regards Carl

@fredzuccarelli 13 күн бұрын

Happy wife = Happy life = More riding!!!! Or.....stay single!!!😂😂😂😂 Cheers Carl!!!!

@justthewayitis 13 күн бұрын

Hi Federico 🙋🏻‍♂️, yes a happy Wife = more riding Best wishes Carl 🙏

@Mrpatrickenrico Ай бұрын

Hi Carl, thank you for this comparison. I have the tall comfort seat on my R1300GS and found it very uncomfortable for the first 1k miles. The seat is now broken in and feels better, but I still find myself hurting after an hour of riding. Part of the discomfort is due to me, because everyone is different. The other part is positioning - forward vs rearward seating position. I have more control over the bike if I sit all the way forward, but I have less bottom coverage from the seat and start feeling pain sooner. If I sit more towards the rear, I have wider coverage, can ride longer, but less control over the bike. I'm waiting for Wunderlich to release their heated comfort seats later this September and hopefully I will see improvement. Reducing the suspension to -2 was also helpful.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Patrick, yes it just takes time for seats to break-in or for us to find the perfect seat for our shape and size and preference in terms of position. Several aftermarket options available and I’m sure most owners will find a good solution. Thank you for sharing your experience 🙋🏻‍♂️ Kind regards Carl

@neiljarman2556 Ай бұрын

Carl, I hated my high comfort seat... I had no issues during the run-in using the standard comfort seat., but at the 1st service (5th Jan @ 662 miles) my dealer fitted the high comfort seat and thereafter my limited rides (48 mile for the starter-relay recall and a 138 mile for visiting a mate) had been a miserable, almost intolerable, experience. The seat was seemingly total rubbish and unfit for purchase... suboptimal would be a kind way to describe it. Yesterday I did a 449 (by trip)/451 (by zūmo XT2 ) mile 09:06h outing wih 02:18h break and the seat was just what it should have been for all those six hours and 48 minutes of seat-time... it must have bedded in as you suggested it would👍... best wished to Sandra, by the way - it was lovely to see you blushing whenever she was "on air" I love the power and thrill of this, my ultimate keeper, but the sporty hip-knee-footpeg triangle plays havoc with my 68-year-old knees. Absolutely loving the huge acceleration and your suggesting of a single notch from default on the DTC gives a thrilling onset of wheelie ... on some fast bends, I could not further modestly adjust countersteer because the wheel was actually airborne😜 Getting the Tramuntana was expensive, but oftentimes I grinned ear-to-ear in the helmet. It has put to bed all the niggles with my 1250 GS (identical to the one you own).

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Neil, thank you for your lovely detailed message, it’s also great to hear from you and a couple of other subscribers that have replied about the High comfort seat being a good solution, that’s exactly what I hoped it would do, it’s just a shame I couldn’t get one to try. It sure is an amazing motorbike and extremely capable with lots of settings than can be adjusted to fine-tune it to the way we each like to ride. I was impressed with the first one I try back in November but now after 3 weeks with the TB version I’m even more impressed. My wife did enjoy her first appearance so maybe she will contribute more as the channel grows as I still haven’t started the KTM 390 series which I really should find the time to start. Thank you for taking the time to leave an informative message, much appreciated. Kindest regards Carl

@Elysian_Angel_ Ай бұрын

Nice to meet you, Sandra! And yes, comfort is very subjective. On my old 2017 R1200GS I had the comfort seat, which was great for short rides but awful for journeys that last an entire day: my lower back didn’t like the comfort seat at all… So when I bought my current bike, a 2021 R1250GSA, I picked the standard seat which is - for me - far better in terms of comfort. ‘Nothing to prove’ also made a very nice video on the same subject if people are interested, btw.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Jessica, Sandra says thank you 🙏, agreeing to be in an episode is not easy for everyone but we had a lot of fun filming as you could probably tell. Seats, totally agree… we all like different styles and shapes but as long as we find something that suits us that’s the important part. Best wishes Carl and Sandra

@Elysian_Angel_ Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis Yes I could tell you had fun: /whispers grab handles /giggle 🤣

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

😉 yes indeed, plus Sandra is German so English it’s not her native language, so sometimes she uses the incorrect words, but I think most will be able to follow along. Carl 🙋🏻‍♂️

@MH-xd2nd Ай бұрын

Sandra’s command of English is superb. I’ve spent most of my working career working with colleagues in Germany and few of them were/are as fluent. The grammar is quite different! Honest and useful thoughts on the two bikes.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

🙏, I will pass on your generous comments, I’m sure Sandra will be delighted . 👍 So is your Deutsch fluent ?

@nikoscosmos Ай бұрын

Move over Carl, Sandra has the handlebars! She did a fantastic job. My pillion has never complained going from a R1150GS through various models to the R1250gsa. The driver, however, has had major issues with changes to the front seat configuration. This has mostly been rectified by tilting the seat up at the front. All the best to you both, E & N

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

lol Nick, very true 😉 and the ability adjustment the tilt on the 1250 is a great feature Lg Carl

@steveswain4646 Ай бұрын

I will do thanks

@billreynolds2221 Ай бұрын

When I was a young buck (30 and under) there was no such thing as a bad seat. Youth has it's advantages. Since then (roughly) I've only owned 2 motorcycles that had great factory seats. Both were BMWs. A 2013 r1200r roadsters and my relatively new 2022 r1250gs. Neither of those bikes ever required a butt break. Neither of those biked required breaking in the factory seat. Amazing. I'm not sure about the new r1300gs but I don't know how they could improve it. Just my opinion of course.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Bill, we are all different, glad to hear you and your 2023 GS are getting on fine … smile. I remember too those old days of riding hours and hours without ever thinking about seat comfort. Thanks for sharing your experience, best wishes Carl

@michielvandepol6765 Ай бұрын

Great video once again. Thanks, Carl! Coming from a 1250GSA I feel almost as if the 1300GS is a moped. The engine and gearbox are a good improvement but the bike is ending the tradition of the GS/GSA having “the king of the road” look and feel. I get it why BMW does this from a commercial perspective but it leaves the GS fans a bit in the cold. If we have to believe rumours, the 1300GSA will be competing with the 1250RT in the touring segment. Let’s just hope the GSA will be just like the 1250GSA: a big allroad adventure bike. That being said, I have ordered a 1300GS and I am trading in my GSA (although I’m already starting to regret it….). After your previous video I was in doubt of the adaptive ride height but decided to stick with the sport suspension. My guess is that that will be even worse for any pillion…..

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Michiel, congratulations on your order of a R1300GS, the version with Sports suspension is reportedly very good 👍, yes the passenger may need to Step Up a little higher just like your 1250GSA. Many owners are waiting for the R1300GSA with the auto gearbox option but currently we do not know when it will be released. Have fun on your new R1300 GS 👍

@TallyHoTech Ай бұрын

Great video Carl. I think a star has been born. Sandra Slayed. Is it me or does the 1250 GS suspension behave better with a pillion? Not so bouncy! It might just be the sports suspension? On the 1300 even on -2 road my wife still complained about the stiffness. Although she said it was the stiffest thing she has felt in a decade. I don’t think seat can dial out that chassis stiffness. I find this on all bikes where the engine is a full stress member. GS owner = FloppyForLife

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Craig, Good morning Sandra says it’s your wife’s turn to assist in your next video 😉 to keep you under control 🫣. Smile… But I do agree 2up the suspension does feel that little bit better and more compliant than the 1300. But now the 1300 is gone I’m already missing it. Carl

@TallyHoTech Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis My wife said that I can’t afford her appearance fee. She also said I’m a lost cause and I’m beyond help. Never say never I say. In regards to the 1250 suspension. I didn’t mean compared to the 1300. I meant when I ride solo in road mode. I bounce around more than I do than with a pillion in road mode. The rebound just seems more controlled with a pillion in road mode. Strangely the ride over big bumps is better too with a pillion. It might be because of the extra stiffness and travel of the sports suspension feels plusher with more weight. The suspension comes off a 270KG GSA I guess. It gets better with more weight added. I have never had that on any other bike. Sports Carl need his sped fix :) I bet you miss it. I actually signed up for a Multistrada V4 Rally before I got the GS. Dealer was Dodgy so I cancelled the order. If I wanted a sporty adventure bike. That would be it!

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Well I’ve not tried the V4S Rally or the GS with sports suspension so I would imagine on the 1300 that is as you say… the difference, maybe I can get one with sports suspension to try later in the season. I presume you tried the various DSA settings on that bike, because I noticed a difference with each adjustment in each mode, it’s a clever system which allows you to get the new GS setup how you like it but it takes time up and down the same stretch of road to understand and feel the changes. You can afford your wife’s appearance rates I’m sure, dinner out and cooking for a week would sweeten the deal 😉 I’ve got one really bumpy road not far from home and no matter what setting I use on the 1250 it’s fairly unpleasant but on the 1300 I could find a setting that offered more control. Carl 🥂

@TallyHoTech Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis Wow I was thinking a cup of tea 🍵 🤪 Carl will blow his lid if he rides a MS V4. So don’t ride one. I sometimes think what if. Especially now Ducati has great quality control. My wife is Italian and she still hasn’t fully forgiven me for selling the StreetFighter V4. Especially because I got a BMW and her family are long time Mercedes owners. She says she hates BMW. I always tease her when she is on board. See you’re a BM girl now. That’s the real German automotive brand 🤌

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Smile….😀

@amiekkeijser Ай бұрын

I have bought two comfort seats by my BMWR1300GS. One is the standard 850 mm en the other is a 870 mm. It is a verry big difference. The 870 mm is much more comfortable. Something to think about when you order a new bike.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

This is great news !!! thank you for sharing this information with the channel. I did try to get the TALL COMFORT seat from BMW, but they couldn't get it to me on time. Thank you for sharing 👍👍👍 Best Wishes Carl

@maxflight777 Ай бұрын

We like Sandra, she’s fabulous. Best wishes to both of you.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Smile 👍

@JoeS97756 Ай бұрын

If you order the topcase carrier, you get a metal grab handle/rear rack rather than the plastic.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Ah !!! Thank you 🙏 that makes sense, thank you for sharing this important information 👍

@the-real-bert Ай бұрын

get an airhawk (or similar) - job done, it will not matter what the seat is like, you will have the same comfort everywhere you go

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Probably a good idea 👏 Thank you, Carl

@That_Paul_Guy Ай бұрын

I haven’t ridden the new 1300, on purpose. Haha However, I have a question but allow me to provide some background. I switched from a 2014 Multi to a 1250 GSA, then to a1 250GS, then to 1260 Multi, then to V4S, then to GSA again. What I have found in owning and putting at least 5k miles on each of them is that the 1250 in Dynamic was very similar or slightly more firm than the Multi in Touring mode. And of course the Multi in its firmest suspension setting was much more firm than the 1250 GS/A could offer. How would you compare the new GS 1300 to the V4S in terms of suspension? Would you say they are more similar now than previously comparing both their touring and sport modes?

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Paul, great question!! I do not have the answer, although I have riden the V4S several times I would need to ride them back to back to be 100% sure of my answer. The 1300 is quite amazing though in its sports bike like handling and to me feels much closer to what the V4S can offer. It would be an interesting comparison 🤞 Once you have been for your test ride perhaps you will share your thoughts 💭? Carl

@steveswain4646 Ай бұрын

Hi, I rode both bikes today and thought the 1300 was overrated. The gear box was worse than the 1250 the 1300 was so clunky my be its because it was new. The quick shift would not select 5th no matter what I did . Yes, it more nimble and a bit quicker but not worth the extra money. So i have a nice new GSA1250 on the way. Can't wait Thanks

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Steve, congratulations on your GSA and I hope it arrives soon. FYI some of the early test bikes do not have the best gearboxes, the one I recently had on test was fantastic and I had no issues. Have fun with your GSA Regards Carl

@steveswain4646 Ай бұрын

Thank I can't wait

@albertol1529 Ай бұрын

BMW are sacrificing retained customers’ preferences for a different demographic hoping to get market share from Ducati and KTM. It’s a mistake because those looking for comfort may head to the Japanese, and leave BM fighting in a very competitive market against 2 very strong competitors.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Alberto, we will have to wait and see what the GSA version offers as that might fill the gap.

@albertol1529 Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis Hi Carl, I agree, I’m looking forward to it. The move to a pressed frame is clearly about torsional and longitudinal rigidity. This is why it doesn’t ride as plush, I guess.

@maxflight777 Ай бұрын

From a rider perspective…..Below 50mph, the 1250 is more comfortable, over 50mph.. the new one is way better. I just did a 1250km day on the 1300, that would have been impossible on the 1250. The 1300 has a clunky first and second gear, also a massive “whine “ from the straight cut gears that’s a little annoying at low speeds. It’s bloody fast though, way more compelling to own.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Points I do agree with 🙋🏻‍♂️

@JSRengifo 29 күн бұрын

Hello Carl! I also have an r1250gs 2023, and having a bit of a pickle with my vlave cover guard. Anyway I can message and ask you a question to see if you can help me? Thank you!

@justthewayitis 29 күн бұрын

Hi Jhon, of course just go to my channel and you will find my email address. Carl

@inspectorclouseau3880 Ай бұрын

Interesting Carl, seems the 1250 wins the pillion comfort challange

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

For us, indeed it does, but some couples may find the R1300GS seats acceptable, we are all different 😉 in terms of shape and weight. We would need to find better seats that’s for sure… Carl

@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne Ай бұрын

The best GS is the one still at the dealers because you had the good sense to buy something way cheaper and way more suitable. Okay okay, you'll guess I'm not a GS fan. Too much hype for me, a bit like buying overpriced Nike trainers when an unbranded pair for half the price (or less) does just as good a job. After 43 years of riding pretty well most types of bikes I have reached the conclusion that too many people ride a particular bike for the wrong reasons (I have worn the T-shirt myself, numerous times). From now on I tow *two* bikes on a bike trailer, while I munch the miles in my car, with more than enough space for all my kit, including a big enough tent that I can stand up. Touring has never been more fun...

@jackyrussell1 Ай бұрын

In my opinion a Sargent seat is the most comfortable seat to have.

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Jack, hopefully I will get to test one 1️⃣. Regards Carl

@KhiemHuynhle 23 күн бұрын

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@bjrnchrstn 29 күн бұрын

Ducati Multistrada v4s is the answer.

@justthewayitis 29 күн бұрын

Hi BC, I’ve only tested the V4S twice both on short runs, about 45 mins both times. Very nice 👍

@azivalj Ай бұрын

Would ENDURO dumping mode help (in comparing to ROAD setting) for better driving experienceon those low quality roads?

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

You need to be careful because of the other system changes that happen when moving into Enduro mode, but some owners do indeed do this on really poor roads.

@user-yp8sh5mv3e Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis thanks. Also very helpful reviews regarding many objectives. I am owner of F800GS and decided for an upgrade after 10 years. Had an opportunity to try one immediately after another 1300 and 1250 GS Adventure and next day 1250 Gs and I decided for Adventure both because of look and driving characteristics. They both have plenty of power so that was not my main point. Waiting for delivery next week. Keep on good work 😀

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Hi Antonio, Well congratulations on your GSA it’s a great bike and very capable you’re going to have a great time with the GSA. Thank you for feedback about the channel and the GS series I enjoy making the episodes to help other owners get the best from their GS/A bikes Kind regards Carl

@user-yp8sh5mv3e Ай бұрын

@@justthewayitis thanks! One more question if you can help me with…suspension is MIN, AUTO and MAX, correct? Is it only about height or also dumping characteristics?

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

On the 1250 GS/A it only adjusts Rear Preload. You will have 3 options Min, Max and Auto, Auto is the normal mode you ride in as it compensates for whatever load you add. Carl

@MountainView21 Ай бұрын

Looks like in some areas BMW is trying to have the cake and eat it 😂

@justthewayitis Ай бұрын

Smile 😊

@littlefish4270 Ай бұрын

Is unbelievable all this talk about seat comfort, what sane person would expect a OEM or aftermarket seat to be comfortable, is simply silly talk. Just get whatever seat you have re uphologestered, a good dedicated motorcycle seat uphologester will change padding to dual density, change shape & recover for aprox 1/3 the cost. Its a no brainer yet virtually no one does it, madness.

@greenrush4313 Ай бұрын

Listen up people here is the BIG truth about this

@alexandroseleftheroudakis2344 6 күн бұрын

Congrats on the nice video! Regarding the 1300GS , a big NO from me! Even the title of this video wisely matches the bikers' general feeling and invites people who believe that BMW has gone the wrong way. The 1300GS is not an adventure motorcycle, is a general sport touring motorcycle mainly suitable for one (short) person, not two with luggage. It is also a very ugly motorcycle, no one so far in my knowledge made a statement that this is a beautiful bike! I drove the bike, it lost the plush quality and comfort feeling of the GS. And it is VERY UGLY. I believe I had a great idea and I propose the same to you. Keep your old GS and buy a S1000r or similar to get the real agility and fun. GS is the touring adventure bike that can take you to nice places in comfort alone or with your partner and luggage. In BMW they sell also agile enduro, it is the F900GS. Sport bikes they sell as well, s1000 range. The R1300GS is in my opinion a marketing mistake executed from bad designers and will be soon revised from BMW.

@justthewayitis 6 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your own thoughts and feelings on the new 1300. Many owners have shared a similar feeling about the new bike. Let’s see what BMW do with the GSA due out very soon. Best wishes Carl

@greenrush4313 Ай бұрын

GET A PAN AMERICA PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!