Do caboose racing again!!!!!!

Referring back to the discussion of track gauges, here in New Zealand we exclusively use 3ft 6inch gauge, though some early lines in the Canterbury region used 5ft 3inch. The narrow gauge was chosen as the country has very rugged terrain.

For most of this episode, for once it feels like kAN is being the safe one and trying to do everything by the book. Meanwhile, Hyce is like "The speed limits unlocked? WELL, MY NAMES HYCE AND I DO COCAINE!"

Best theory: Romans built roads, Roman war chariots ran groves in the roads, wagons were built to fit the groves, axles for trains were originally built in the wagon axle jigs. Best theory. Could be wrong.

Hyce's reaction to the idea of lifting the wheels by hand reminded me of Agents of Shield. "Can we load it up, take it back to base?" "Well have you been working out? Because that's a building."

Man Railroads online is just something amazing, amazing to watch you and Hyce play, watching and listing to the engines huff and chuff, and how relistic it is, amazing work.

I like how this series went from "I like trains...." ._. To "force equals mass times acceleration" and then they pee in a cup 😆 That save on the turn table was dope btw

Kan you should time a run to the sawmill and back (like you did when testing the snowplow) that way you can do the same run when they increase the speed limits, and compare. That way your viewers can get a better sense of how things are affected by the speed change

35:59 he did in fact pull the switch

You are indeed correct; Japan and New Zealand use "Cape Gauge" (3 foot 6in/1067mm), but India and Australia are an absolute mess of different gauges, from Cape, to Standard, to Irish 'Broad Gauge' (5 foot 3), and everything in between.

This looks much better than before.... the sound that the engine makes matches the speed it's going now.... before it would be sounding like it's at full tilt and only going 17ish mph now it looks and sounds right

For steel, the Youngs modulus varies with temperature. This means if you heat up the steel it should deform more and give a larger contact area, which would be comparable to a larger COF. However, in addition to that you have the COF itself that will also change, in a complex manner which is also dependant on the pressures involved. So it will change, but by how much and if it will be higher or lower will depend on many factors and it would be easiest to just directly measure it.

Here's a weird outlier, There was a narrow gauge running from mount pleasant, Iowa to fort madison Iowa. I believe that this was called something to the effect of the peavine rail co. There was a fort in Fort madison, and resources in mount pleasant, if I remember the reason for it correctly. The remanent of this railroad is in mount pleasant, by the name of Old Threshers railroad. Here in Fort Madison, there is an old backwoods trail that takes the approximate trail of the original railroad, and if you venture off the trail, unwary of the two hundred trespassing signs, you can still find sections of track. I've only found one that someone staked into the ground, but I know there are more out there, as some of my friends have found them. Old threshers has a really cool track that I think hyce would have fun driving.

I wonder how confused dapper would be if he joined In the middle of this play through😂

7:40 I can tell you exactly where Standard Gauge (4ft 8+1/2in) came from. In Britain, the history of railways goes back to medieval times, when mines would use "wagonways," which were basically horse-drawn or manhandled wooden wagons running on pairs of wooden logs acting as rails. Over time, this developed into the "plateway," which had a flat plate on top of the old wooden rail, to make it more resilient, and a flange on the outside edge to guide the wagons, like the wheel flange on modern trains. George Stephenson is often referred to in Britain as the "Father of Railways." He worked in several mines in North-East England, notably the Killingworth Colliery, where he built one of the first working locomotives. The Colliery used a gauge of 4ft 8in, and this became the Stephenson Gauge. He later added an extra half-inch to prevent binding, creating the 4ft 8+1/2in Standard Gauge. For a time, this was in direct competition with Isembard Kingdom Brunel's 7ft 1/4in Broad Gauge, during the Gauge Wars, until the Government's "Regulating the Gauge of Railways Act" standardised to 4ft 8+1/2in for all new railways built in Britain. Many foreign railways, including in the US and Europe, purchased early locomotives from Britain, and this led to the use of Standard Gauge around the world. The value of being able to quickly adapt a foreign-built locomotive to run on your railways without needing to make a slow and costly conversion, is obvious, particularly for international trains. The idea that Standard Gauge was based on ancient wagon wheelbases is false. More accurately, it's true, but not for the reasons people usually claim. The reason most horse-drawn wagons tend to be the same width is just because of the need to fit a horse between the shafts, and this was inherited by the wagonways that evolved into modern railways. EDIT: On the question of why 3ft, I don't know, but I'd suggest it's related to the fact that 3ft is exactly 1yd.

there's a (probably apocryphal) story that spain chose a different railway gauge than france Specifically to avoid a repeat of napoleon, to make it harder for the french to use spanish rails

The Cincinnati, Georgetown, and Portsmouth (started as a narrow gauge) ran over mostly flat terrain. It never made it as far as Portsmouth, but only had one elevated section. One of its spurs (which ran past the house I grew up in) was COMPLETELY on flat ground.

If you want to see some wooden train brakes still in use today go ride one of the cable cars in San Francisco. They have wood brake blocks that press directly on the track to slow them down and it creates a very distinctive smell as well. They have a cable car museum too if you want to see the mechanism up close.

ive been sic today been binge watching the series so awesome to see you guys playing again.

I binned my iron ore train when I was going to the smelter. It seems like the locomotives go fast but the rolling stock is still finicky.

In Japan, they primarily use 1067mm gauge and the bullet train yes, standard gauge. In India they have so many gauges that their locomotives may have the same design but different codenames to identify what gauge it runs on etc. In Malaysia and Thailand, we primarily use meter gauge which is exactly 1000mm or just over 3ft. There are some lines like airport express and MRT that use standard gauge. Edited: Fun fact, on Yamanote line in Tokyo, Japan, which is a loop line, they use the same gauge as other standard lines but their trains are so wide almost 3 meters it kinda looks janky almost

I love watching your's or Hyces version then watch the other. Especially when you guys are on separate parts of the map doing diffrent operations. You ask Hyce alot of great train related questions.

after a quick read (if I understand it right): narrow gauge is *cheaper* (and easier - to instal and remove) because it's all lighter - the rail, the cars, AND the locomotives, plus smaller bridges and tunnels, too... Great sentence: "The choice was often not between a narrow- and standard-gauge railway, but between a narrow-gauge railway and none at all." :D broader gauge is more expensive (it's heavier, uses larger cars and locomotives,... etc.), but it has higher speeds and capacity ("greater capacity offsets the higher initial cost" it says)... it's also more "permanent" new stuff I learned from reading about this: loading gauge X structure gauge, and something called "network effect" (the more people use the same thing, the better, basically)... also: bogie exchanges, railbock, dual gauge, variable gauge, and gauge conversion exist my country has 1435 mm (except two lines with 760 mm) [there used to be 1520 mm soviet era wide guage, too, but mostly for iron ore transportation]... subways and tramways have 1435 mm... rarely 1000 mm (like the two funiculars in my town - one of them being the second oldest such funicular still running in Europe, it's from 1907, it's 114 m long)

fun fact, there is another 3 foot gauge narrow gauge, which is 891mm narrow gauge, something that only exists in sweden, and it's 3 old swedish feet, while 3 imperial feet would be 914.4mm. This gauge is, or was, pretty common back in the day, but there are still several museum railways around, the longest operating on a 71km track, mostly with diesel engines, diesel railbusses, but also a couple of steam engines. Then there is also still 1 891mm railway still in everyday comercial operation, that runs in Stockholm and the surrounding area.

Here in Newfoundland we had a 3’6” gauge railway from 1898 till 1988. Was the longest 3’6” gauge railway in North America

I've never seen a setup like your helper station. Old railroads would have a turn table connecting those 3 tracks directly. After the steam era they started removing turn tables, sometimes just by filling in dirt locking it in place permanently, and squeeze in switches like you did.

Man Kan I own the game but I could never sit down and build the track but it sure is great to see you play

Talking about the cameras in locomotives: it's a big deal in trucking industry also that a lot of big companies are putting (or trying to put) driver-facing cameras in the trucks. Obviously there's some merit to it to ensure the driver isn't distracted or anything especially in event of a collision. But a lot of drivers a pushing back, especially over the road drivers because for days to weeks at a time that's their living space, and it's always the thought of a camera being able to watch and listen to them in their off-duty time where they're just in the truck (their living space) and not driving.

You should race trains on a drag styled track

On the topic of client-server de-syncs, that happens when both the client and the server are calculating how something should react to its circumstances. I think what's happening with Hyce's magical unrailings is related to missed physics updates. If the server (who has the final say in all disagreements) says that the car, in the course of wiggling, bounces off the rail and thus changes direction, it would send an update to the client to that effect. If that update never makes it there, the client might believe that the car keeps going in that direction and thus will derail. Thus, until the server sends an update that corrects the velocity and position of the car, the client will continue to think that the car is going on its merry way down the hill. Then, when the update is received, everything seemingly snaps back on the rail as if nothing happened, because in reality, nothing actually did. The way to fix this is to go through both the client and server simulation code with a fine tooth comb and figure out where they are differing. Once you fix the discrepancy, the client always agrees with the server. This is much harder (or completely impractical) to do when you didn't write much of the physics engine, such as when you are using Unity or Unreal. (See ZeepKist and nondeterministic physics for an example.)

In Australia, before the federation we had some states using 3ft 6in or 4ft 8 1/2in or even 5ft 3in. There has been a slow unification to standard (4ft 8 1/2in) and there is still around 4000km of 2ft gauge used for sugar cane.

yes finaly i can watch you both. Anoing your vids desync with time, is it the editing software delta?

BNSF derailed once in Orwood, CA. One Dash9 unit went into the Sacramento River delta. It was too dificult/expensive to get out of the water so they left it. After a few weeks I completely sank into the mud and disappeared. Once an empty hopper train derailed in Allensworth, CA. The cars were left there for 10 MONTHS. Finally an officer train was supposed to come through, so MOW dug a hole and buried the cars so the officer wouldn't see the derailed cars. They're still buried there today.... Lol anything for management....

Now I just wanna show up at the museum with a shirt that has that image of a horribly laid track from somewhere in asia with the text below it saying "Hyce was here"

In Indonesia all railways are 3ft 6inches, they were however standard gauge, until the japanese came up and changed them. Some railways like the sugar mill railways are 600mm - 900mm wide, so they're pretty small and they're still running to this day, although they're not maintained that well. Infact, some of the sugar mill engines went to the UK at Statfold Barn

Actually the Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina Railroad ran 3ft narrow gauge from Johnson City TN to Boone NC all the way until 1940. The only remaining #12 4-6-0 still operates at Tweetsie railroad in Blowing Rock NC.

With regard to the Civil War, I can't remember exactly, but according to the B&O railroad museum, I believe, someone stole a locomotive from the north, brought it to the south, and re-gauged the axels to run the 5'. Upon the end of the war, the manufacturer of the repurposed locomotive offered the man a job at his plant...

hi kan, bit of a weird request but could you please enable subtitles for this video? It seems to not be working (the subtitle button is greyed out). I use subtitles quite often on youtube videos so it would be quite helpful if you could enable them. Thanks!

Talking of signals, in Britain there was a person who used to sit by signals and change as necessary. However, one person fell asleep causing a derailment as when he woke up again, the signal had frozen!

Nice control over the trains, you would have been given a job back in the day. Looking at the smelter setup, those hopper cars would be better if you was able to get to the other side then you could have just push them on the back of the main train. FYI The UK rail gauge was set based on what they had to work with at the time. They use coaches that would have been pulled by horse and converted to run on rails. very interesting and worth a google.

Over in Australia we still use many guages. In perth and around some other places in Western Australia we use 3ft 6in guage (aka Cape gauge). Mainly for passanger but sometimes for freight. Cross country trains, most freight and other states passanger are all 4ft 8.5in standard guage. And the Melbourne passanger network uses 5ft 3in broad guage. Most of this is because Australia was formed by separate colonies using separate railways and it was too expensive to change everything. Where different guage trains need to run its all triple track. Or in some cases 2 standard guage lines next to 2 Cape or broad guage lines. All freight is the same width so seeing a Cape guage freight train is quite funny, almost half the train is overhanging the track

I remember that earthquake, and wondering why the room I was in (on the other side of the country, was shaking for a good minute and a half. The next morning I found out why, and the picture I remember was the entirety of the track for 300m being slid onto the beach amongst the debris, still intact, and the bleaching marks of where the track had been. Kaikoura was cut off for weeks from the rest of the country, IIRC, and they had to get a Navy vessel in.

It seems that trains in this game stay on track because wheels keep them there (unlike some games where trains are essentially glued to the track regardless of what wheels are doing visually). With that said, would it be possible to build two parallel tracks with the gap just right to run a third car in the middle? And if so, would it be possible to push 3-wide trains on it, similar to how tug boats push barges?

I don't run steam engines, but I do know diesel run, hydraulically driven machinery that uses a similar system of regulated pressure and a variable power valve. > the pressure dome holds a constant pressure set by the pressure relief valve (known on some pressure vessels as a "pop-off valve"), like 120 psi in the case of the smaller engines in the game. The *regulator* allows a percentage of that pressure into the plumbing going to the drive cylinder. If the regulator is set to 50% then the pressure in the drive plumbing is 60 psi. (this is ignoring the secondary heating of the steam to boost the pressure and the final pressure in the steam chest) People familiar with SCUBA tanks know the tank can hold several thousand pounds of pressure but the regulator only allows 30 psi into the breathing mouth piece at any time. It's a mechanical *regulator,* not just a variable gate valve. > The *reverser,* more correctly called the "cut-off valve" determines not only direction but how long that pressure is injected into the drive piston. If the piston moves 2 feet within the cylinder, and the reverser is set to 50%, the steam pressure is only injected for 1 foot of that travel effectively cutting the applied power in half. I'm almost certain the math isn't linear, but a regulator set to 50% and a reverser opened to 50% means the total applied power to the piston is 25% of maximum possible power. I read somewhere in my search when this game was first available; a steam engine is "properly" driven by the reverser setting while the regulator is fixed to some level less than 100% (unless necessary for maximum power). This has one main effect in controlling the speed of the engine. It adjusts the applied power *at the piston,* giving an immediate response to power setting changes rather than the response lag that would occur by building up or dropping off pressure in all the plumbing back to the pressure dome. By the developer's own admission during one of their Vlogs last year (might even have been Hyce, I don't remember who), this has NOT been properly modeled in the game.

Hey KAN, your local history student here. Your statement about Germany switching the rails to their own is 100% true, this mostly took place in the Soviet Union, the program was called Deutsche Riechsbahn. They had to convert something like 10,000 miles of track or so, I might be wrong on the number

they still use narrow gauge railroad cause tokyo everything is smaller.

Japan has a load of different track gauges - shinkansen indeed runs on standard gauge, but in Tokyo alone there are a few different railway gauges that mainline trains run on. Russia (and most of the rest of the ex-Warsaw Pact) runs on wider gauge, but afaik many of those countries have been switching over to standard gauge over time. Spain and Portugal also have a track gauge which is wider than standard gauge, but iirc there is a standard gauge high speed line running into Spain from France

Just sayin, stormworks has some pretty in-depth steam power and train stuff. Would love to see it!

A lot of the objection to cameras comes down to there being two kinds of managers. One that doesn't care what you do as long as the work gets done, the other that doesn't care if the work gets done as long as they can control what you do. Managers seeking cameras are almost always the second type, which means employees are loath to let them.

44:16 That's one *big* cultural difference between Americans (and the anglophone world in general) and Europeans (especially countries with germanic languages, *especially* Germany). We had to deal with the Gestapo in countries occupied by Germany and in Germany itself too, and many countries had to deal with Stasi, KGB etc, etc, etc... And all of this survailance left a mark on our culture. Even in countries that didn't experience stasi first hand we still experienced it second hand from movies etc from the area or visiting etc... And it leaves a mark on you. The whole "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide" argument just doesn't hold water. And we're just *never* going to feel comfortable with all of this, you know...

You and Hyce's talk about mechanical engineering on trains on the last episode threw me for a headache loop. Would I really need to know that stuff if I were to driver steam engines? If so, I'll just stick to driving diesel and electric trains

Well Hyce talking about the civil war. Your good, as a high school history nerd and I don't mind it I find it funny that you know how historians reacts.

Yall may laugh, it wasnt until this episode that i realized the Johnson bar is kinda like controlling the ignition timing in a car. Now it makes sense why hyce said youd ideally put the bar in the neutral position once up to speed.

Kan be like I didn't flip the switch me watched it back, kan flips switch derails car and switch flips back. 🤣 love it kan hahah great series keep it up bruv

Giving Hayes a scrap mechanic account and having him criticize you on your work of doing a rap because of trains, you’re crazy that would make a great series. I love that idea.kan gaming

I'm afraid us Brits had the first 3ft gauge railway, funnily enough being the first powered railway in the world at Coalbrookedale, built in 1802.

There are lots of European locomotive with outside Stephenson valve gear that'll make it easier to see. Any German Brigadelok will do, or the locomotive Bellerophon in the UK

Funny thing-Standard Gauge is what the British called Stephenson gauge, after George Stephenson, who built the Rocket, but he designed the gauge around the horse drawn carriages at the time he was alive and the earliest coaches were actually stage coaches that could fit easily on the rails, just add tyres and call it a day

The fun thing with lifting from deep (canyon or water) is there is a max depth for every rig. Same as a standard waterpump cannot pump water from below 7 meters I worked at a drilling company (waterwells for enviromental purposes) and the machine I worked with had a max drilling depth of 150 meters. Any deeper and the weight of the casing would be too heavy for the table to pull out. With lifting an heavy object from deep, all the steel cables combined get so heavy that you reach max capacity by just lowering to the bottom. Not exactly true but you guys get what I mean

Australian railway gauge The three main railway gauges in Australia are narrow: 1,067 mm (3 ft 6 in), standard: 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in), and broad: 1,600 mm (5 ft 3 in); a slow progression towards unification to standard gauge has taken place since the 1930s

ngl, i dont even watch the gameplay, i just put this on as a podcast about trains, 10/10 content

On the topic of track gauges, Here in india, we have something called broad gauge (5ft 6.5 inch). Mostly due to fact that it has higher capacity for passengers compared to standard gauge. Metros, trams and the high speed rails being constructed work on standard gauge. We used to have narrow gauge (2ft or 2ft 6 inch) or metre gauge (3ft 4.5 inch) during the early 1900s to late 1980s, mainly made by british india. But, most of them have been converted to broad gauge with few exceptions of heritage railways.

During the winter when there is snow and ice, the railroad will literally lite the ties on fire while in hot climate the railroad rubs ice down the rails

30:00 good to see it's not just me that has phantom headlights on the 48 wondered if it was something in my potato settings

Here in Queensland Australia you see a lot of cane trains (transporting sugar cane) running on 2ft gauge

At least in the UK we have speed limit signs on our railways, thoguh they have different limmits for different train classes thoguh for much of the network passenger trains run at the maximum speed signals can be read at.

in the UK we have signs on the side saying in 100ft you go up 1 1.5 2 ect

you + hyce scrap mechanic gameplay would be awesome

Scrapmechanic with kAN, hyce and Scrapman is going to be epic!

Yeah, that what some railroads did back in the day. They left trains and carts at the bottom of the river and lake.

Day 16: asking for train jousting Hyce mentions that there is no "good" way to do this... I disagree. You can put two trains facing each other on 1 track and full send into eacho0ther and let chaos unfold. More like Chicken but still I mean. it would be funny to give the physics engine a stroke

You mentioned scrap mechanic and a hump yard. Now I want to see a hump yard that automatically sorts the cars by type as you kick them.

I think what kan said about switching the gauges in Europe during the war made sense as I believe Germany had a massive cannon mounted on a train that they needed to move around, so they would need the gauge to match that train.

There are roads in Colorado that are wide enough to turn a 2 horse carriage around without backing up.

Got the glenbrook up to like 27 mph worth the snowplow attached before it hopped off the track

my dad works for KCS and I can confirm that not all the engines have cameras on the inside

I like how he moves cars slowly and leaves the train moving, but when connecting the engine he speeds into the cars

If you go fast enough over the switches, sometimes trucks will glitch out and flick the switch under it.

The new speed is great, it really improves the flow of the game. If only the cars wouldn't randomly eat crap at top speed.

0:20 that photo of the railway tracks is from my home town. Kaiapoi, New Zealand 🇳🇿

36:05 Kan indeed did flip a switch 🤣 looks like it's about 1 ft too soon, run it in .25 speed and you'll see as soon as he clicks the switch the back of the car jumps the track

33:45 I've heard about multi-track drifting... but single-track drifting?😳The C.R.A.P railroad team truly are kings of the Mountain pass 😂😂😂

God im learning more bout trains then I expected with this series

YAY! The town I live in got mentioned in this episode! (Gunnison)

the derailing seems extra buggy recently. I've been going slow and had cars and the locomotive jump the track for no discernable reason.

Petition to make ‘The Goat’ the main engine (Also it’s lights dissapeard)

Im only here for the pee ina cup moments lol

36:05 there's something wrong with that switch, or connections to the switch. You can only see it for a split second in the video, but watch the car, it'll jump up a bit right when you turn away.

Hello from New Zealand, I know exactly the picture you are talking about 😂

This series is amazing

19:50 paint+supplies would be heavier to carry down than TNT lol

It would be cool to have him join your scrap videos!

Every time Hyce starts to talk about something really interesting, kAn loves to interrupt lol

fastest hyce roast in the west

I am not history expert, but coming from Croatia I am pretty sure all arround Europe was more or less standard gauge but I am not sure.

There is a KZfaq video out there of an old black and white video showing the poling process.

if the new zealad railway track image I think it is it is from after the cristchurch earthquaqe in 2011 whis was a 7.1 centered about 7 KM away from the CBD of the city

As a civil war reenactor, I respectfully decline Hyce's statement of historians chiming in, I have no wish to get political and want to just enjoy the video :). Have a great day and thanks for the new video kAN!

5:32 A whole load of lumber destroyed.

you should get the hisslur next