A Death Knight could say the same thing.

Well the death knights don’t really remember their people. They’re basically new men, so their story isn’t “they were looked down upon by family and friends because of their actions.” They died and were brought back. Demon hunters basically were cast out by their people because of their actions.

Also there’s no DK next to her in this video

Ah, but you forget that DKs got abuse hurled at them and had rotten fruit thrown at them when they joined the Horde & Alliance.

Strafe2011 yep

Win xD xD

You would not deprive a beautiful woman of her walking stick, would you? :)

so....you wanna take the staff of the most powerful mage by force?

hardly most powerful mage, sure she sucked some dragon dick and mana, but that doesn't make her the most powerful mage. Still, she surrendered willingly, should've given the staff willingly, too.

I TOLD YOU TO TAKE THE WIZARD'S STAFF!

“Uh, on second thought maybe I’ll hit you?”

He asked for it

That punch would send him all the way back to vanilla wow

Howard Stern lol true

XD

This is exactly what I thought when I saw this, not only that their hands were unbound and the "guard" still had their weapons.

*Two Towers flashback*

Sarcasm?

lol what are they gonna do? If she wanted to resist she would have and they would have stood no chance and they know it.

Lewis Scott please stop defending the garbage writing.

Where...have I heard that before, I wonder...besides the Nexus... Oh yeah: "United we stand, divided we fall." "A house divided upon itself will not stand." Sources like Webster's say it first appeared in Aesop's Fables in the 6th Century. WoW adopts more than just current pop culture. :)

IKR 😂

Wolfenstein 3D had better facial animation that ME:Andromeda -_-

Minecraft has better facial animati-

Chess has better facial animations

Pong has better facial animations than mass effect: Andromeda.

That is not really putting the bar up high at all.

she can't do that without the focusing iris i know its a joke comment but still i'm here to be the killjoy

She still can summon a flying Galleon, shoot laser cannons and clean entire Lordaeron with blizzard Shes still OP af

only when the plot demands it, same with the player, after defeating the legion, a iron gate can stop us lol

Always angry Beat the Black dragons, beat Illidan, defeated the Lich King, defeated Deathwing and sooo on.But these civillians or not even Jainas mother realize.Thats what I dont like in WoW, its an RPG, but no NPC gives you the credit/respect/fear you truly deserve as a near damn GOD at higher levels.

they spoke about the legion defeat in such a casual way lol, wtf blizz

It's alright. She will let it go.

akiraguy The Horde. Banshee Queen. Azeroth blood. Choose.

alvi syahri since they’re the rason Alliance send someone to Kul Tiras, And Jaina being closest to present the option

Her own...

It was her own idea

It was Jaina's idea ;]

xLetalis I am actually a bit worried for Rexxar. Boeing in Kul'Tiras right now close to Jaina Light be veeery dangerous for him...

Magzhan Tashibay Ahahahahha a dude with axes against a super mage that freezes entire armies and holds her ground against the Lich King? Good luck with that.....

I’d feel bad for Jaina if she was not all “kill the Horde and let god sort them out.” She cray-cray.

Did you read War Crimes? At the end she realized that the Horde is not Garrosh and Garrosh is not the Horde. She also, in a way, forgave them.

I know right? Where were all these humans when Archimonde almost destroyed the world? Didn't Jaina at least attempt to contact them?

What's to answer? He was suicidal, we obliged him. His daughter was cool with it then. I guess she's just another line towing Alliance pussy now, though. "Don't k-k-k-kill me m-m-mommy!" Fuck you and your entire two-faced bloodline, Proudmore.

Daelin Proudmoore had it coming, and Jaina damned well knew it. What she did saved lives by preventing the war HE tried to start.

lmao

Michael WELCOME TO WORLD OF WARCRAFT WHERE WE TAKE OLD LORE FROM THE BETTER GAME "warcraft 3" AND FUCKLE THE LORE

The Daelin lore isn't changed though. The Frozen Throne even states it wasn't an issue of might. He was salty that Thrall made him look like a bitch, and launched a doomed jihad in revenge. His daughter saw him as the aggressor, and was not to be talked down. She did the right thing. And yes, I said that, because if if had gone down, the Horde would have roflstomed the EK. The EKs were split at the time of Lordaeron's fall. The last thing they would want is a failed crusade bring the fucking Horde BACK.

I wouldn't go that far. The new Horde had just formed - the whole campaign was basically Rexxar and Thrall gathering everyone - fought off an apocalyptic demonic invasion and started settling a new land, which had it's own share of dangers. And the Forsaken haven't even joined yet, so the Horde has no hold in EK - except maybe the Frostwolves. And while Lordaeron was wrecked beyond recognition, Stormwind and Ironforge were left mostly untouched, Stromgarde was still kicking and Silvermoon, or what was left of it, still officialy an Alliance member. If Jaina hadn't done what she did - and if Thrall hadn't kept his word and removed Horde troops from it's territory - Theramore would have fallen before it even began. But i don't think the Horde would be launching any invasions of EK anytime soon.

Well, the Chronicles do imply that the old ones are responsible. And it is actually part of the lore, Cthulhu (or rip-off version) actually exists in Warcraft universe and pointed out that Adventurers (the PCs) are the only one with reasons. Also, Magni is trying to fix the heart.

No this is Batman logic. El Bandito nailed it correct. If batman killed joker, there would be no more comic books. If peace exists in Azeroth there is no game to play. The problem isn't that blizzard is keeping the factions at war. It's the reasoning behind it. 1st - We go to TBC...for no fkin reason but it gave us Blood Elves and Outland so it felt cool. Why did we kill illidan again? 2nd - We unite to fight the Lich King, Good! 3rd - Cataclysm attacks SW...so the Horde help them fight back? ....wha? 4th - Mists of Pandaria - Thrall gets sick of his job, so he quits and lets the intern play Manager...everything falls apart. 5th - Warlord of Dreanor - Stupid intern escapes lawsuit, fixes his old approach of racist genocide by....doing more racist genocide....cool.... 6th - Legion - This was actually a good one. Everything was nice except they made illidan a complete shithead "Child of Light" oh ffs.... 7th - We fight each other - Basically WoW Vanilla 2.0. We fight each other because Sylvanas is on her post-mortis period, and is over emotional that Alliance isn't giving her attention...so start a useless war.... Cool.... And now we go from fighting Demons in space with sword and arrows to fighting pirates and Aztecs.....cool....what is this lore?

And this is why I've never bought WoW, only watched videos to see if I was missing anything, apparently not at all. Glad to see I never wasted a single cent on that.

I actually think Legion was really cliched. Lol. Not only that, just the entirety of the expansion was too much -- even with the story. It follows too much judeo-christian references, especially Illidan's part -- where its word-for-fucking-word the story of Lucifer and what he accomplishes at the end. It was also a stupid rehash to set up conflicts with BFA... and even the technology and world building was way too fucking much (really illogical). This is also the trend of the expansions at Draenor: Draenor was vanilla, Legion was BC, now BFA is Wrath. lol

Which is why I stopped showing interest on WoW after WotLK. As far as I think, Alliance and Horde defeating the Lich King together was the best wrap up of the whole story, and everything else afterwards was just money grab.

Considering how Jaina feels now a days and the fact its a alliance character viewing these events it makes sense.

Bindair Dundat They are not twisting the event. This is how the Kultarin SEE the event. When the alliance committed atrocity on taurojo, the Horde dont go "well it was a miscommunication from alliance rouge leader". In fact the ending of the quest have Katherine realized that Admiral proudmore cant be save. She literally said "Jania you cant saved him from himself" effectively blaming Daelin instead of the horde.

They aren't twisting the event, they twisted Jaina. Back then, she did what was right. Now, she's so fucking self-jaded, she can't even remember shit correctly. Add the normal faction 'embellishment' style of the two faction stories, and there you have it. The Alliance and Horde are kept intentionally hot because apparently we have no diplomacy anymore. We went from constant contact, to radio silence because fucking Gary and Van couldn't stop eye-fucking eachother in Northrend.

It's a motto that's been in use since at least the 6th Century.

Oh, believe me, I know.

Jaina has that massive white nerve cord that connects her to the Old Gods. Severe it to releaze her from their grip!

Jania was clearly prepared to be sentenced to death and probably had made peace with that fact on the voyage, but no one can prepare for being disowned like that by your own mother like that. Especially in front of the public like that... I mean, she's probably feeling all the Horde's atrocities and knew that at last it might be time for her to pay for her role in it, however noble her intentions, but that's still a hard swallow when you remember the idealistic young mage who showed a change in the Alliance from their iconic being knightly warriors to becoming intellectual spellcasters. … then the Horde had to fucking Horde as always.

maning04 I think she's already broken after the bombing that made her hair white.

Deep Voice she's stressed the fuck out on all thats happened to her 😂

Crazy part is she did it to herself.

That's a good insight, Shoggoth.

me neither

horde tried to actively not kill everyone, they only killed all the soldiers that stood in the way of thrall and rexxar when they were walking up to the throne room. plenty people lives, like atleast 1/3th of the force

Thottbot 1/3 is plenty....

Because they left a lot alive. Kind of proof of concept right here. The Alliance doesn't even know the casualty count, but they can assign blame. Also, I think people tend to put 2 and 2 together when your fleet admiral chases an enemy across uncharted waters and never returns. It's usually not a stop in Cabo.

In Vanilla, there were still Kul Tirans in Northwatch and Theramore.

Niall487 I just looked on her IMDB and it says she does voice a character in BFA but who it doesn’t say so yeah she does probably voice her.

Yes it is her :D

Yes, Mark Addy (Robert Baratheon) voices Daelin Proudmoore as well!

And Katherine is voiced by Indira Varma (Ellaria Sand).

"Yer just another traveler", apart from the glowing eyes, demon horns, Twin Glaives of Azzinoth (I know it's not them but might as well be) etc.

Hah, I think I know what you mean

plot armor my ass, have you seen the entire story line? Jaina got more character development in 2 questlines than most did in 1 entire expansion

plot armor? you mean that decayed rule 34 leader of the horde who died many times but still active?

oh yes

Actually where the hell is Rexxar? We haven't seen him in more than 10 years.

On the horde side actually he fight against the alliance

Lolipron-Sama Where was he in Legion? Or Warlords of Draenor?

Hunter hall in legion and i don't think he was there in draenor

Lolipron-Sama Oh good, I hope they gave him a good questline for legion, I hate to see them waste characters. Do you think we'll see him return to rebel against Sylvanas?

Fade Away Boingy boingy boingy xD

heyyyy there Jaina! you betrayed your father and let my husbend to die, i wub you tho

basically this guys comment sums it up :D

She got the homecoming her fool self deserved.

1. Garrosh is responsible but I suppose kul tirans imagine that if the alliance and Jaina had supported the horde extermination, maybe Theramore wouldn't have turned to a crater. 2. It was an Alliance messenger along with Jaina, I don't see an especific reason besides that, maybe just cause you're the player? O.o 3. I think it was Jaina's idea to go there. As I understand she wants to right past wrongs (in the warbringers video she says "I'm listening now, father" which means she now sees peace as something impoosible to get. But maybe I'm wrong, who knows. xD

1. They are talking about an event in Warcraft 3 where Jaina's father was killed by thrall's horde and Jaina did nothing to stop it 2. The rando is an alliance emissary and the kul tirans don't like the alliance 3. She has ties, I guess?

The Alliance has a knack for getting peoples who hate them to join them, because it ain't what ya know... It's who.

Alliance stuff always looks more civilized

I'll always stand with the alliance but zandalar has dinosaurs and I love me some dinos

Play both, like I do. I main Alliance but I choose to see the story from both sides. It's quite rewarding.

Horde gets Black Panther Zandalari edition while alliance gets a fat pirate lady attempting to overthrow an old lady....

Can’t you not even unlock flying without fully exploring both horde and alliance zones? It came across to me that Blizzard always kind of intended for you to play through both sides this expac. And honestly, either way, why limit yourself to just one side of the story and half of the world to explore?

It's alright. She will let it go.

This is delusional. The Alliance reacts to the Horde, not the other way round. Varian could have decapitated the entire Horde leadership in MoP, but he spared them instead. The end result was the Horde attacking Alliance in Ashran while they were making archaeological discoveries. The Horde have a massive persecution complex.

Katherine was being manipulated by Priscilla from the start.

I know right. She was too kind with Jaina

I know right. She was too kind with Jaina

Katherine manipulation have nothing to do with this scene in question, their people got slaughter and her husband killed in front of her daughter Wich did nothing to defend her father and people, she deserved it.

But if that was a horde cinematic...the one sentenced to death will deserve it, right? lel

spoiler: Taelia Fordragon and Anduin are getting married

This comment reads like someone thinks GoTs invented political intrigue.

Why? idk. When? 2010.