If he was in love with her as much as he claims to have been, he would have been desperately looking for reasons to stay, not desperately looking for reasons to leave. Greg doesn't love Katie, he loves himself. Not once did he consider her feelings, her fathers death (not only her fathers death, finding out he's not biologically her father), for him to have been so cruel to her the next day when she was begging him to stay, that she's sorry and that if he goes she'd have no reason to stay. If he was in love with her it would have pained him to see her like that. He would have looked for solutions, looked for anything that would have kept him there like she was doing. He wanted to leave, he wanted a dramatic exit on a tv show and he wanted it to be Katies fault so he could look like the good guy at the end. I don't believe him. I don't believe he was in love with her, honestly don't think he even liked her that much.

When Greg said he deserved better with Katie on the ground it reminded me of Frozen when Hans says "if only somebody loved you" and leaves her to freeze to death

What got me about Greg was that he didn’t express things in terms of what he felt or that he needed something else, instead he made it about who she was, attacking her character almost. To see so many people defending that, after having gone through that in a previous abusive relationship, felt almost as triggering as watching that interaction go down. It

Ari in that yellow dress and all of her mindful and calm comments... she’s the cutest button

This new girl.....omg....she fucking nailed the Greg situation on the HEAD. She was soooo good I felt that I healed from my own grief. Goddam! I still miss Jessica but dude this girl!

Damn, what an episode for Jess not to be here for 😩 I’m still excited for this though. Edit: As I’m watching this I’m loving Ari more and more. I see why they chose her to fill in as cohost.

People saying “it can be edited to make him look bad”…I have a feeling this was edited to make him look as good as possible. Which is scary to imagine how much worse this conversation likely was. The highlight reel from hell at the end of the show proves the producers didn’t see him as a villain for whatever reason

We need Jess' take on this episode next week! IM DYING TO HEAR her opinion. Miss my queen. But Bekah you did amazing being the captain this week. (:

There was a moment where everything clicked for me during his hometown where I realized “Oh shit, he doesn’t love *Katie,* he loves *having* Katie.” From then on, everything made sense: his reactions, his withdrawal, his everything. It just clicked.

Oh. My. God. I completely agree with EVERY WORD. This analysis is so spot on. The episode was very triggering to watch. I’m a guy, I just got out of a relationship, and Greg’s behavior was almost identical to my ex girlfriend’s. So often men do this to women, but I’ve experienced similar emotional abuse at the hands of my ex. Watching this was so validating and actually helped me process my past relationship and why ended. Thank you!

Greg is highly narcissistic. I was married to a diagnosis narcissist (NPD). Greg’s behavior was exactly what my ex husband did to me. I have C-PTSD and that episode should have come with a trigger warning. Greg’s mask fell. He got mad at Katie for “going off script” not fitting the role he made for her. Greg was mad that Katie had a boundary and did not move it. That was a textbook narcissistic temper tantrum; it was toxic. It is not normal and nobody should be treated that way. He never loved her. Thank you ladies this is the episode so many of us survivors needed.

Greg’s behavior was so horrific to me. I was shocked watching it. I was shocked that they aired it. It was honestly probably the worst thing I have ever watched throughout all the seasons. I would literally rather watch Chad. We all just watched Katie get emotionally and psychologically abused. It felt wrong that we were watching it as entertainment. It was truly disturbing.

I am so thankful for this podcast. Unfortunately, the first recap out was Viall's and it was well...pretty vile. Thank goodness for Wells Adams; I can tell he wanted to defend Katie more, but that is clearly not a pro-Katie environment. The co-host in the background was particularly toxic in mocking Katie's grief, calling her fake, shallow, scripted, etc...I was genuinely upset all day by how vicious they were to her, and yet they gave Greg 100% benefit of the doubt because he "gave her so much." Can Bach Nation stop pretending that Nick isn't still as toxic and manipulative as he was on Andi Dorfman's season? Does anyone recall the way he harassed her after she didn't pick him? And because she didn't respond to his phone calls or the letter he wrote and didn't want to see him after the show, he went on national TV and slut-shamed her for clout??? And then he vociferously defended Colton against accusations of "plotting" to be the Bachelor (is this even still a question??), saying it was "crazy" for anyone to think of someone plotting for that long, despite the proof of him faking a relationship with Tia Booth when it was rumored that she was going to be the Bachelorette. He ALWAYS defends the men on the show who are accused of that because he's afraid it will turn around back on him. Like, he pre-emptively defends himself every time the topic comes up, while simultaneously acknowledging that he was playing a huge game and wants to be acknowledged for being such a genius strategist and doing everything "perfect." And then he feels the need to unnecessarily share his "wisdom" with the female guests of the show (still never forgotten how condescending he was to Demi in particular). And I know it seems strange for me to come for Nick seemingly out of the blue, but he is literally OBSESSED with the way Katie supposedly "treated" Thomas earlier in the season (a man who lied to her face multiple times and tried to emotionally manipulate her and every man in the house). For some reason, he's making it his mission to single-handedly rehabilitate Thomas' image, and it's just overall fucking weird how he can't help defending every narcissistic sociopath to walk onto our TV screens. He's been gaslighting his audience for a long time when it comes to defending men like himself, but then has the gosh darn nerve to give Katie "advice," saying it would be a "bad look" for her to defend herself and instead just "move on" on the aftershow (knowing full well ATFR has already been taped)? I have never ONCE heard him attempt to give Katie any grace in these moments or sympathize with her in any way expect in the ways he can identify with her as the lead, yet he expects her to willy nilly give it to GREGORY "I DESERVE MORE THAN YOU" GRIPPO? Anyway, I absolutely loved Ari's contributions, and thought she placed Jess' "grounding Bekah" role very well. Thank you again for this analysis; it is very much appreciated.

Never was a huge Katie fan but felt for her this episode. I was so shocked & disgusted by his behavior, it was really hard to watch. I also can’t believe how many ppl are defending him 😩

Loved this. Additionally really loved Dear Shandy take on this. They were actually fans of Greg before and broke down the Greg situation so well!

Let's also not forget that he felt "hurt" that she assumed he was an expecting an "I love you." So what exactly did he want to hear from her? He never articulated it, but just kept blaming/shaming her for not responding well. But honestly I was confused by what he was expecting. Clearly he wanted a verbal response, but if he didn't care about her validating his position in the show, an "I love you," etc. then what exactly did he expect? He's toxic AF.

Someone saying Greg broke up with a girl and made her take an uber at 1 am back to her dorm made me think back when I was in college telling a guy I was seeing that I just wanted to be friends and he went stone cold...walked off without saying anything and made me walk to my dorms by myself in the dark. (When he was pursuing me, he always walked me back to make sure I got home safely). I dodged a bullet. Jennie Mai said, "you see a person's true colors when they don't get what they want"

I know Katie is so emotionally mature and in tune with herself and has probably gone over this a thousand times and sees now what Greg did, but god forbid if she hasn’t, I hope she listens to this. And I hope she addressed this at After the Final Rose. Not to “stick it to Greg” but to tell all the women in the world that what they saw was not okay

This episode is so triggering, I still can't shake the terrible feeling it left me with. The trouble with manipulative behaviour like Greg exhibited is that most people don't know how to identify it, including the people that are manipulating. Straight up, I have acted similarly in situations where I felt my emotional vulnerability was not acknowledged, so I can sympathize with Greg in that regard. However, it's never okay to manipulate/gaslight because someone doesn't respond the way that you want them to. I hope that this is a great learning experience for Greg to address his tendency to let his emotions send him into a manipulative tail spin, and for Katie to learn how to recognize when she is being gas lit. And I might add that maybe Katie could also learn how to recognize when someone is being emotionally vulnerable and give direct emotional feedback, Tayshia is the Queen when it comes to this, I learnt a lot from watching Tayshia using active listening and feedback with her men during vulnerable sharing.

Bekah preachhhh! You totally called it from the start, nicely done! Seriously thank you for the validation we *all* needed after Greg's gaslighting (and *cough* Nick Viall). This validates all of us who have experienced emotional abuse.

I’m happy that Bekah brought up Nick Vials interpretation of what happened because I feel like people that have never experienced gaslighting and manipulation like this, may not fully understand what was so problematic and triggering about this. I also feel like it’s so nuanced, so you may look at it from Nicks perspective and think that Katie was giving surface level responses ( after he poured his heart out) and was just staring at him awkwardly. However, if you see it that way I think you’re looking at it from a surface level perspective. Katie’s human, she’s not always going to do and say the right things ( I think she was overwhelmed and processing it all). I can see how Greg misunderstood that exchange and was hurt. What I absolutely cannot see, is the way he handiest himself the next day. Let’s take the manipulation off the table. The simple fact that he’s willing to throw all of this away over their very first bump in the road???? He’s completely shut down, throwing a tantrum and has his mind made up that he’s going to leave because she didn’t give him what he needed in that moment!!!!! 🚩🚩🚩 That’s not love, that’s ego, pride and a sense of entitlement. It’s also a glimpse into the way Greg is at handling conflict in a relationship. No Thank You! I don’t care how hot you are 90’s Greg, you’re out! Greg needs to work on himself. Katie dodged a bullet. I can’t even begin to imagine how it ends but I’m praying she somehow doesn’t get back with him. I don’t see that happening but who knows.

SUCH a good point to mention what Greg's emotionless reaction was in their first 1:1 when she was vulnerable about her dad and he gave her nothing back. She kept her cool. He can't give her that same flexibility??? It's all on Greg's terms. Triggering to the max for so many women.

What an INSANE episode for Jess to miss!! I feel like her head is going to explode when she comes back from her trip and can see all of this unfold. Ari did a great job as a guest co-host though!

It’s insane to me that people think Greg is in the right. He may not be a terrible person that people are saying he is but he was definitely in the wrong and definitely not ready for marriage

Dude this ari chick is fireeeee with those assessments!!!! BRING HER BACK!! She’s great

I really loved her as a guest. I feel like this season a lot of fans assumed the hate for Greg was malicious but I always thought of it as playful (and warranted) distrust. Some thing about him never seemed genuine to me but I’ve never hated him. After watching the episode it was very clear to me the kind of partner he is and it’s super sad to see so many women defending him.

I was really flabbergasted at Greg’s assumption that Katie wasn’t truly “hearing” him or listening to him. I believe he proved his selfishness in that moment: he only wanted Katie to agree with him and give him what he wanted. He wanted her to break her boundaries to “prove” to him that he was the one. RED FLAG CITY. I truly hope Katie has found peace now…what a horrible breakup to go through.

those taking Greg’s side are either complete narcissists or have never experienced and /or are completely blind to the signs of emotional abuse and manipulation. I’m convinced I was not watching the same show as some of the people that have been defending him.

I appreciate both of your takes on this so much!!! I came over form the viall files, because I couldn’t believe what Nick was saying :/:/... I felt so disappointed in his take I had to turn the video off. Appreciate you both so much! Glad to find some sanity here. Women deserve to hear how not okay that was

Greg gave up sooo quickly which speaks volumes to his emotional immaturity, his toxicity and his lack of true love for Katie. He was saying so many things that were deeply hurtful to Katie and entirely unmerited. A whole bunch of red flags in this breakup down to not letting Katie even speak. I know it must feel terrible to be so vulnerable and open with someone and not hear it reciprocated but Katie kept giving him SO much reassurances the entire season in the best ways she knew how to remain respectful to the other guys as well....the silver lining to Greg not letting her speak was Katie could actually listen and observe Greg with all his flaws and red flags. I’m sure it’s only made her even more confident in hindsight about her decisions at the final rose. Also it was so triggering to see Greg go from loving someone SO much he was hurt it wasn’t reciprocated to saying “i deserve more than you and I’m not happy here.” Greg was so hurtful for absolutely no reason. Love means forgiveness too dude although I don’t even think Katie made a mistake.... I don’t think we’ve ever seen such manipulative shit like this on the show since Jake Pavelka. Katie is such a queen for dealing with that emotionally abuse on live tv PLUS with someone she least expected it to come from (the guy she thought she wanted to end up with!!!!!) can’t imagine how heartbreaking it was for her. But such an incredible moment of clarity too where the curtain was pulled down and she got to see who he really is. Wishing Katie all the happiness and love in the world 💕💕 P.S. I’m so disturbed by everyone in Bachelor Nation who keeps misreading / misconstruing Katie’s words when she said “I love looking at you.” Greg LITERALLY asked her “what” as in why are you looking at me that way. It was in response to his question. She wasn’t being insensitive or cold or aloof.

Ok agreed. But can we leave Katie’s fashion alone? I think she dressed herself because she wanted to feel comfortable. It’s been really nice to see a lead that is dressed how I would dress. Yes, the fashion is part of the glitz of it all. But it’s also nice to remind women that they can feel just as confident and beautiful in a plain t-shirt or a simple dress.

Contrast Greg's total lack of empathy with Connor B's "It's ok, I know where this is going, just breathe."

Ari reminds me of Zooey Deschanel. That’s all I will say about this episode of the podcast because I was livid last night and felt so sick to my stomach because of Greg’s behavior. It triggered all of the old feelings from my own experiences with gaslighting and manipulation. I don’t want to discuss it any further myself because I’m over that manchild and I’m glad he’s gone. I didn’t feel great about him from the beginning, and this solidified those feelings. Especially linking it to all of the stories a bunch of exes or mutual friends of his exes, or even friends in general, have shared.

Ari was the perfect addition to this episode, I really enjoyed her takes and the discussion you guys had!

Thank you so much for this analysis. I listened to Nick’s podcast last night and felt sick to my stomach. It was honestly cathartic to hear it explained how Greg’s responses were gaslighting and manipulative. Bekah, your point that Greg didn’t respect Katie’s boundary was SUCH a great point.

I loveee Ari’s take on all of this she’s great with bachelor content please have her back for more recaps!

Thank you so much for this episode! You said everything I was thinking, and I'm a psychologist. I'll call Greg what he is, a narcissist. The golden child in the family often is. I don't think he will ever get help because his family adores and enables him so much.

He’s so narcissistic and only wanted her to make HIM feel better. He didn’t care that she was hurting at all. I couldn’t believe he actually walked out on her twice without even saying goodbye….so disrespectful! I was hoping she wouldn’t chase after him because that’s totally what he wanted…..jerk😡

My only thought towards the "in Memorium" tribute is that it was a clapback at Greg, showing him all the moments of their connection that he said she never gave him.

What I appreciate about Blake and Katie is the realness. They have a great connection but they’re not in love yet, they can just see it heading that way. That’s so… normal?! It seems like their relationship is moving at a normal, healthy pace and not the starry-eyed accelerated pace the show usually causes. That makes me think that, should they end up together, it has real potential to last. Blake’s not saying I love you just to say it. Out of all the men I’ve seen on this show, ever, to me he’s like the most trustworthy and genuine. The fact that he showed up late and the dudes are still all kind and love him shows that too. Ya can’t hate Blake ❤️

That clapback at Caila with the Bible verse on what real love is 👏👏thank you Bekah

I have been in a couple similar situations before and it was absolutely terrible. I was always questioning myself and my sanity and to see gaslighting broadcasted on national television was triggering but I’m hoping with talks like these it can help others. It was kinda validating to me to hear you guys talk about this, so thank you

I appreciate you both taking the time to explain and break down the toxic behavior. Emotional abuse is so often not understood. The way he said you’re a stranger and just flipped a switch when he didn’t get the reaction he wanted was very triggering. And like you said without any empathy of compassion for her feelings. Then the memorial for Greg at the end. I was shook. What was that????

Ari, girl, you may not be a licensed therapist, but you nailed Greg's emotion/mental space 100%!!! I love the comical "hate follow" of Greg, but both Bekah and Ari were spot on and, I think, pretty damn respectful of Greg's grieving process, but also calling him out on his unhealthy expectation of Katie, the work he needs to do, and his INSANE gaslighting of Katie. Nice job, ladies!!! And also, MISSED YOU, JESS!

I literally just got out of a relationship like this. My best friend had this exact conversation with me... Thank you for being such strong, emotionally intelligent women 💕

She did say during the beginning of the actual fight scene that she hadn't communicated it to him, but had communicated to his family that she wasn't going to say "I love you" to anyone while multiple people were there. BUT I do agree that she has always been the one to say "I'm falling for you" and such, so I still feel like him blowing up in that moment was absolutely wrong.

As a Canadian, I'm thoroughly annoyed that showcasing us is always Maple Syrup and Moose. At 19 I was riding a bull in the country bar. We all have Syrup in the house but I assure you, most dont take shots of it. Also, lol, they show Canada for Blake, New Jersey and Baltimore. So blake gets a nation and the other 2 gets individual states. Lol I hope everyone knows Blake lives in a province inside of Canada the same as the other 2 live in States inside of America. Lol sorry, I'm done. Lol

you guys are such a breath of fresh air from Nick Viall's podcast. i feel so comfortable now that I hear that other women were also genuinely triggered by that episode. i don't think Ari is blowing it out of proportion to say that it deserved a trigger warning

I was watching Bachelor Fantake’s Live reaction last night, and someone commented “I cannot WAIT for the Chatty Broads episode about this to come out because they have been right about Greg from the beginning!” 😂❤️

I am partly glad Greg & Katie had this fight right now rather than get married and figure out they can not communicate well together. The time bomb was just ticking and the bachorette process speed up the process.

I feel like somebody in Greg's life suggested acting school because he is super dramatic 💁‍♀️

Ill be honest when I realised Jess wasn’t here - I wasn’t going to listen BUT fuck I am now the biggest fan of Ari!! The perfect co-host for this episode, amazing insights, funny and so genuine. LOVED this

I’ve been in her position and have done the begging and it’s the most heartbreaking thing to watch another woman feel that pain. So triggering. You guys have described it to a tee! It’s so crazy.

This was Greg’s out… he was never into Katie I stand by that. His emotional outburst was based on crossing a boundary he knew she had and he knew it was his way out. So he could play the victim and use his acting degree… gross gross gross!

Oh my god I’ve never clicked faster in my life. I was upsetting by last night episode and so triggered I almost cried.. was so freaking nauseous. ALSO do y’all remember on Katie and Greg’s first one on one when she was crying about her father and she awkwardly said something along the lines of “Alright well let’s start fishing…” like “enough of that sorry for crying and going on about myself and my loss” because he didn’t even acknowledge her crying and having a tough time OMG

great breakdown of the situation! and ari did an excellent job filling in on Jess, especially talking about such a difficult topic ❤️

This was an extremely difficult episode for me to watch this week. Not only have I been in a toxic relationship where it was just like this, but it was really hard for me to see Katie get broken by him. She's someone I look up to for her strength and her boundaries but the fact that he could break this strong Katie made really sad and scared. The tribute to him at the end actually made me sick. I feel bad for Katie Thank you both for your take on this. I think it's really important to talk about and show people his behavior was not okay. So thank you for bringing light to it because so many people don't see it.

Caila Quinn's tweets were also particularly concerning due to the amount of young girls out there who look up to the love she has with her husband and will BELIEVE her viewpoint - it is dangerous to be teaching young girls that this is a sign of love when really, all it tells us is that Caila Quinn has never survived or come out the other side of an emotionally abusive relationship ship to have a valid opinion on it.

As a longtime Bachelor fan, I’m over the franchise. The process clearly creates a toxic environment that enables and promotes unhealthy relationship dynamics. It all feels emotionally manipulative. It’s time for a show that brings us examples of healthy relationships based on more open, respectful communication.

Oh my I love Jess, but Ari is also wonderful. So, so wonderful 😍

I’ve had a family member that was like a mother to me pass away in 2014 and it took a year and some until I realized that hole in my heart was still there, still just as big, and just as painful I had just started learning to live with it. 7 years later and the hole is still there but I cope and would never expect someone else to fill that hole. Only the person that passed can fill it and that’s okay. And I learned that by taking it out with friends and other family. I hope that Greg gets to that point too.

Woooo finally up 3 minutes ago!! Barely can wait to “talk” it out with the broads. We missed you, Jess! But glad to have you Ari!

People are acting like she spat in Greg’s face or something! Did she under-react to his proclamation of love, maybe, sure - but that does NOT justify the way that he acted in a response to that. And honestly I’m glad it happened, because Katie could have been in for a lifetime’s worth of gaslighting if that relationship hadn’t gone south the way it did. For those defending him, really think about why you are doing so; a person who truly loves someone would never talk to them and gaslight them the way that Greg did to Katie. We all need to remember that, because no one deserves that treatment - Ever, no questions asked.

“She makes a mistake and he withdraws all love for her.” YES!!!!!

What we got was Katie grasping for how to answer Greg to please him. What we wanted was Katie's iconic response of 'thank you for your feedback' and...exit.

i have been waiting impatiently all day for this omg im so pissed off and can't wait to listen to you two!!!

All of a sudden all those people who were so pissed at Bekah for hating Greg are real quiet...

Thank you Bekah!!! I know so many women and men are feeling validated listening to you two after being emotionally drained getting flashbacks of their exes while watching this episode. So many recaps are disappointing to me this week especially Bachelor Happy Hour and Viall Files. You two are queens!! Thank you so much for staying true and sticking up for the abused! ❤️

Honestly thank god for you guys...It was such an emotionally fked night; you both did such a wonderful job of validating a lot of people's trauma from the episode. Love the Broads !!!!

Thank you, Bekah! The Notebook is literally the worst example of "love."

Let me tell you,this episode made me want to jump to the ATFR so bad,I need Katie’s take on this,Greg,the final pick,the cohosts…..I need that so bad

He said”when I told you I loved you I suddenly felt like you were a stranger” oh my goodness psycho

Thanks for this girls as someone that was in a toxic relationship I am thankful for your comments and refletions.

We miss you Jess! I hope Jess gets a good chunk of uninterrupted time on the next ep to give us all her feels and thoughts. Thank you Bekah for always bringing these important topics to light! This is why I love being part of the Broad Squad. ❤️

Thank god this is out because I’ve been feeling all sorts of ways and needing this episode to get me through.

As a fellow greg hater from the beginning I am so excited for this sacrificial roasting 👀

I’m sorry but I 100% agree with Bekah that he saw that this was his “out”. He seemed like suuuuch a bad actor in the second conversation, like when he said “it makes me sick” lol. I was like what daytime soap do you think you are on? I think that he honestly thought in his brain that this was his perfect bachelor audition, he kept saying “ I deserve better” and was really thinking in his brain that was going to be his story line a la Becca kufrin, like he is the hero of his own story lol. Could be wrong but that was the total vibe I was getting

I was so confused and did not like how he was saying he was disgusted and she made him sick to his stomach that she sees him as her number one and that there's a list. Like of course she's gotta rank these men in her head! How else is she going to pick someone at the end?! But yeah, saying he was disgusted and that he deserved better was all kinds of mean and not okay. You're hurt and want to leave, fine. You don't have to shame her and make her feel small like that. Canadian take: I was cringing waiting for the "Canada" date, but goddammit, some of it was quite accurate. Never had a syrup shot, but I will be trying that because that's a genius idea lol. But we do keep syrup in the cupboards and the fridge and pretty much any place it'll fit. XD And the road hockey. All day every day. Gotta move the net for cars. I will not cosign the animal heads, though. I would've thought Blake would be against that lol.

Greg didn't want love. He wanted ownership.

Ari was great!!! I noticed Bekah paying close attention and listening to what she had to say and not interrupting. We were all the same jajaja can't wait to hear Jess next week

I know nothing of the bachelor/bachelorette but after seeing Bekah's Instagram story I was INCENSED and needed to see this guy being ripped to shreds. Popcorn is on the stove.

Thank you for defending katie!! The episode was very triggering and it hurts to see the outpouring support for his behavior

Wow! I have never watched your podcast and I almost didin't... But after watching I needed to re-watch the episode for my first watch made me feel for Greg. I was enamored by him and after the re-watch I realized my own level of unhealed issues that led me to feel for him. I saw it in a whole different light. I clearly saw his manipulation and what he was displaying was not LOVE - very narsassistic behavior and I myself have fallen for very similar guys (one that looked almost exactly like him) but again unhealed daddy/guy issues that lead me to be blinded and accepting of UNACCEPTABLE behavior. I kept thinking he is just wounded and loves Katie so much and needs more from her so it was acceptable and understandable. Upon your guys take I realized that he knows exactly what he signed up for and if he really loved her he would have been understanding and confidant in what they have. Again grateful for this sharing because it shined a light on my own unhealed issues that had initial acceptance and compassion for Greg. Let's see how it all plays out...

Head, NAILED. I vote for Ari as permanent third! this was awesome, chicas.

missing jess so much but just want to say that ari is an incredible guest and I wouldn't have wanted a better cohost for this one, bekah, I love her on these episodes.

I knew the second I saw the previews for this season that something was off with Greg, glad to see it finally come to fruition so people will stop attacking me for getting a bad vibe ab the guy

Yeah I’ve never felt that way after an episode. I was just as confused as Katie so I can’t imagine how she felt 😔 That is the furthest thing from love. Glad for this perspective after listening to Nick.

Can we add Ari as a permanent Broad? I absolutely loved her takes and would love to hear more! Missed Jess so much and would love to see how all 3 of you interact together.

Half an hour in and I’m missing Jess. I love the side jokes between the two cohosts. Ari is mature and brings a different element to the episode.

Greg is full of crap. He knew her plan to not say "i love you" to anyone till the end. He saw that as an OUT. He used that as his vehicle to leave. He's manipulating and mean. He never wanted to marry Katie. And why can't he say her name? Why is it "this girl"? He calls her This Girl like 20 times. He's performative. He acted the whole season. But he forgot to cry this time. He cried when Connor left, but not when he broke up with "this girl" who he supposedly loved.

Listened to the podcast and I couldn’t agree more with what you all said. Greg demonstrated emotionally abuse behavior. It was extremely triggering.

i love seeing how many of us were ready and waiting for this haha 😆

ok i don’t really watch the bachelorette but from what ive heard/seen greg and katie’s argument this episode reminds me of the episode of gilmore girls where dean tells rory that he loves her and she didn’t know what to say and then he instantly gets mad and breaks up with her. and i’ve seen videos of people defending greg but growing up i was always told that any boy that treats you like dean treats rory that is emotionally abusive and to stay away. just my opinion and i’ve never been in an emotionally abusive relationship so i could be entirely wrong but it just made me think of that scene ❤️

Watching their breakup I had a flashback to their 1st date. Greg sitting on the bucket and Katie crouched down beside them and they kiss. Then this episode, Greg sitting on a chair and Katie on her knees....him telling her that he deserves better. I just thought that was a weird coincidence

Let me just say you two ladies killed this episode. I see and hear you guys and thank you so much for speaking the truth. It means the world❤️

the fact that justin is in the top 2 lol

Im Convinced she is picking her outfits cause she wants to feel normal... I don't get all the hate!

I’m SO excited. I was at first like heck yeah I was right about him, and then it quickly went to oh no Katie please get out of here. It worried me so much. Her on her knees begging him to reason with her and him getting up and leaving her there??? That was sooooo fucking cold

100% agree with you ladies. Greg’s behavior reminds me of so many exes of mine. I never feel triggered and this got me

On a lighter note, I just wanna say...regardless of how it turns out, I'm way more invested in Blake and Katie's love story than I need to be. It's just so different and refreshing than anything I've seen before on this show. I saw the connection with Arie & Lauren and Tayshia and Zac (and the OGs Trista & Ryan ofc), but I've never seen any couple be as at ease and comfortable with each other as Blake and Katie appear to be. It's the way they both make each other safe to be themselves even when the cameras are on...And even though they had a bit of a Claire and Dale situation (stalking each other on social media before the show), they are both far more level-headed and even-keeled, not given to displays of tempestuous infatuation, which makes their connection more enjoyable to view. I see actual substance and depth between them, which is a credit to them both as individuals. Also, I've seen so many comments calling Blake gross, a "freak," or a creep just because he and Katie have such a strong sexual connection, but just like Bekah said, I don't think that sexual connection would be nearly that strong if the mental connection wasn't there. Katie's face lights up the entire time she is with him. There is never a moment where he makes her tense or uncomfortable. If you watch back their Hometown date, her smile literally NEVER leaves her face for a moment, even when she is meeting his family. I especially loved how, when they were playing hockey, that Blake was just focused on making sure she had fun and that it was a good experience for both of them instead of trying to dominate her with his skill, which is what he would have done if he really was the guy people shallowly think he is. I just love his whole attitude; he reminds so much of a good friend of mine's partner, always down for a good time, good vibes, not caring what anyone thinks about him but still just sharing a positive light with everyone in a way that isn't fake or contrived (all the things da girlz projected onto Gregory's puppy dog face...). He is the first male I've seen in this franchise I could actually envision fitting in with my own friend group. He's just damn cool and doesn't put on airs. If he and Katie are not currently together, I doubt there will be too much bad blood between them.