Scott: "Stop trying to justify it" Also Scott: _Tries to justify it_

Killer is harder than survivor and on average will require more game sense and mechanical skill to win a game. Survivors however have a huge skill ceiling and a top tier survivor probably matches the skill level of a top tier killer

@@jamesblake6992 I wouldn't call it an attempt at justification, just really bad timing lmao. He probably already had it recorded but idk

WICK3D just a joke bro

@@sakuta6088 bruh

Killer mistake no. 2 : not dcing on Haddonfield.

@@Schrank458 AHHHH MY FAVOURITE MAP BRO

@@andreiavram1501 JAMES!

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Killer mistake no.3: not dcing on Mother's Dwelling

Legit?

@@blitzofuckzo over 200K, same thing with other fogwisperers

Lean Mean Obscene Meme Machine It was a bug, the devs said they would remove them but never did

He says he doesn't use them, he buys more if he wants to spend any and he is not a fog whisperer

Captain Barnark they didn’t say they would remove them they said to not spend it all at once

Yeah on smaller maps, it might not be that big of a deal, depending on the rng spawn of the gen spread. Yet larger maps, that is when it can start to become a issue, for larger maps normally have gens spread out. Which can be rough on killers who can't get from point a to b quickly.

@@bluedragon8417 Yeah, If survivors know what they are doing, by the time you are done chasing someone, if you are really unlucky 3 gens can pop.

@@muffy7323 Yeah, that is true. If survivors know how to be effective on gens, gen can fly. For i team up with a group recently. It was massively different from solo q. We got gens done rather fast and quickly. It was insane how quickly we got them done.

Imagine you are a Trapper in Temple Of Purgation :D

@@bluedragon8417 Yep.

Double cheeseburger ?

@@vraxialidv9362 the man got spun by a Quentin on live stream big F in the chat yo

Orcwaterbird who’s Quentin? Is it on KZfaq ? Link ?

Vraxial IDV Quentin is one of the survivors. It’s in the new stream highlights video

Who’s Quentin? and why is he being mentioned in the comment section. What did he say or do that apparently makes Scott looks bad?

Yes sir! And that's why I believe the best players are (in general) the ones who play both roles.

But then there are also items like medkits that can almost negate the affect that your healing slowdown perks can get. Or if you have a brand new part even with corrupt you can crank a gen in no time rendering corrupt almost as wasted if it didnt give you 10 seconds because you cant chase multiple survivors at once and since they spawn together they will probably follow and just one part gives a stupid amount of speed

Baryon -_- things like corrupt and sloppy don’t have learned counterplay though. He’s talking about learning how to dodge hatchets nurse mind games etc.

I can't actually think of a power that requires skill can you give some examples

jisification huntress, death slinger, hag, trapper, nurse, spirit. Do you want me to list how they are skillful as well

Lol wut killing is the objective... And how hard is doing gens honestly? Lmao you sit there and hold a button

I can get where this is coming from if they are solo survivors, the killer can find you first and if he wants to Heavy patrol/Tunnel of hook you have little to no choice but to die. This will likely throw the entire match for the killer, but at that point, the survivor doesn't care because his experience has already been ruined.

Don't listen to them. You can literally sit and do nothing as survivor and still win. (Unless your other 3 teammates decide to potato) As killer, not really.

@@CherubiJubell When I see people make comments like that it just goes in one ear and out the other. I've been playing for 3 years and most of the people I see say these things have maybe a few months of playtime. It's still irritating though lol

A killer's objective is to stop the gens from being done. Killing just so happens to be the way to do that.

I think that Survivor perks need to be more balanced. Making more of their perks on the same level, this way you don't vs the same unfun survivor builds. But also most killer powers are strong, yet most of the killer perks are completely useless.

@@xavierforget I'd much rather have weak perks for killer but great base power with strong add ons this way it changes the play style for the killer, and honestly it's just the 4 big offenders when it comes to survivor perks: ds, bt, unbreakable and adrenaline, a good ds rework has been mentioned on his videos a bit but bt and unbreakable I have no clue what to change them too and adrenaline I think should be with door opening not final gen.

@@stannisthemannis8694 BT can't be changed to me, since it's the only perk that actively counters tunnelling and camping. Devs will never have the guts to change that. DS could be changed, since there are a lot more complaining about it. Unbreakable should only allow you to get up once you're 12 meters away from a killer, it would still counter hard slugs, but not slugs because "survivors are nearby and trying to get my attention."

@@stannisthemannis8694 Maybe with unbreakable, the survivor can only get up if their not in the killer's terror radius? Borrowed Time, is a hard one to figure out. I really like the DS rework idea that trully makes it an anti-tunnel perk. Adrenaline should simply be, you get the speed boost if you're not injured and if you're injured you get healed, and you recover from exhaustion? These are on the spot ideas that I just thought of, though they're more then likely bad. A good start to a discussion though.

@@xavierforget iridecent button add on could then counter unbreakable for like 10 sec

Yep. Ironically survivor is a far more relaxed role than killer. Being only 25% of a team rather than 100% takes so much stress off on its own, and while most killers are heavily reliant on perks and addons, as survivor you can pretty much run whatever and still be extremely effective as long as Mouse 1 and shift works. Combine this with how, if you have a terrible game as a survivor, like getting tunneled into mori, you'll just die and move on to the next game. Compare to a terrible game as killer, like all 4 survivors spawning on 4 different gens, and losing is a drawn-out process that usually results in 3-4 people stalling even further so they can all give their hot takes on your gameplay post-game.

@@chucklenuts_ 2 gens pop despite getting the first down in the first 50 seconds, "just apply pressure lmao"

@@joebrunton2682 The less gens, the more pressure a killer can have. Applying pressure doesnt mean "go visit every single generator". It means apply pressure where its important. If I ask you to apply pressure to break a twig, you would start applying it towards the middle, rather than at the ends, right? Then why would "Apply pressure" even make you consider to apply it equally to all gens? Besides 2 gens gone is fine, you get the points you'll need for iridescent from 3 gens. Just try to make sure they do the furthest gens first to create the smallest generator area possible with the map setup. That is applying pressure.

I swear man, there are games where I feel like im doing everything well, ending chases fast, pressure on all gens etc.. but still end up 2 hooking everyone and everyone escapes cuz of bs time wasters like adrenaline and DS. Ifs just annoying man

@@Predated2 I understand the theory of a 3 gen lad im just agreeing with ops point about post game survivor hot takes by making a joke.

I mean if ur getting that 40s by dropping god pallet after god pallet (on Gideon's or something) then that isn't necessarily a survivor win, as every chase after that will be a lot harder

@Blake Moss it takes time bro,just play more,you need to be consistent,so play everyday

9:48 your forgetting one key aspect of the game though, Resources. Sure the killers are fighting against the clock but the survs are fighting a game of attrition.

@@FabricatedModeration Time is tight for killers, though. They of course always win if it turns to attrition - but it takes a while until those resources matter. They are the sort of resources that only start to matter once there are very few left. Eating pallets has never been a winning strategy, after all.

@@TheSorrowfulAngel Time is certainly tight for Killer, some more than others of course but a killer doesn't need to eat every pallet to deprive Survivors of resources, knock out one or two good pallets and set up a dead zone in a strategic location and you shouldn't need to worry about the remaining resources in most cases. there are exceptions of course but those mostly come from map generation.

You clearly have -5 skill. Your teammates are worse because of your presence. Totally 100%

Of course killer will be easy at low ranks my first game ever i 4k lol it's easy when players don't know wtf a pallet is or sometimes they try to escape on hook because they don't know it's only a 4% chance

@@gustavodelacruz646 then some survivors dont realise they have to spam struggle

Ye wdym holding 1 button on a gen for 80 seconds is very difficult

@@goose7158 survivor isnt only about that..looping is easy but looping tiles and chaining them is not that easy

@@zafid6077 ik I was just exaggerating

If you play death slinger it's gg

Me when I get Huntress on Mother's Dwelling: Ah, yes. _Homestage disadvantage._

Do you know how dumb you sound complaining about a killer moving literally 5% slower and pretending like that kills all of your map pressure

@@exxon101 I think it's more the map, not the 5% slower, but the 5% slower still makes it worse

@@exxon101 Even if you are a clown you still have 0 map pressure, its just furthermore elevated if you are a 110 killer.

I'm a rank 1 killer and survivor and I think that power without perception is spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.

those are always so annoying

I think as a survivor you can just play the game and learn form your mistakes pretty much every match, but as killer you often end up with survivors outside you skill range and learn very little or just nothing besides that "this sucks and seems unfair" and then you probably need to go online and look up slow down perks and which add-ons you should run, etc.

Because the real powerful perk are only a single use, while killers have a similar perk that they can use essentially forever. Dont believe me? 1. DS - Pop Goes The Weasel. DS stops the killer for 5 second and extends chase. Pop Goes the Weasel gets survivors off a generator, removes from 9 up to 20 seconds away of each generator(depending on how many people worked on it, and starts a chase. And can be repeated up to 12 times in the game for a total of from 110 up to 240 seconds. Both work based off the hook, have similar impacts on the game and essentially have the same outcome. 2. Adrenaline - NOED I mean, this is the obvious one. They both go in effect at the exact same time, remove or add damage to something, not really debatable. 3. Dead Hard - well, this is just the same speed as a vanilla Lunge and requires being injured, let alone not really being a second chance perk if you know the survivor is very likely to have it. You dont really require perks to lunge. 4. Unbreakable - again, a counter to a vanilla Slug. You dont require perks to slug. If you leave a survivor on the floor for longer than the survivor needs to pick himself up. You were already using him as heal-bait and he could have been picked up by a teammate anyway. Not exactly a second chance, altho its a really good support perk overall. 5. I mean, I guess BT, but if they can pull off a BT, they either pre-planned it or you've been (proxy)camping. Both arent really fixing up a mistake.

@@Predated2 You're not realizing the strength of combining these perks. It's so aggravating when somebody with borrowed time rushes the hook while also having DS active. Add unbreakable to that and they are literally unstoppable. Whether they're single use or not, they will make you lose the game if you humor any of that BS. What killer perk is on par with a TEAM of that. Also, dead hard is the definition of a second chance. It allows you to make pallets or windows that wouldn't have been possible without it. Killers only have NOED as a BS perk. I see pop as essential versing good survivors because it's simply not possible to win without regression unless you want to slug.

I'd argue that most of the killer characters make up for the perks strength difference with their Powers. Sure there are glaring exceptions to that like Clown, but generally the killer's power breaches the gap.

@@yusufniamati278 NoED isn't even BS, it can be taken out of the game before it activates, unlike adrenaline

@@Clown_the_Clown But you need to survive to end game to even have the perk activate, for noed you just need to lose. Plus in solo queue almost no one looks for totems, unless they have a build for it

I agree. When I first picked up the game, that’s how I assumed it worked and felt dumb playing Claudette when “Feng is the tech person”, but I quickly learned that after level 40, every survivor is basically just a skin

Honestly I always thought it would be better if survivors gained a bonus on their personal perks, even if it's a tiny one.

I always thought teachable perks should be limited to tier 1 or just not in the game *at all* for survivors but it's much too late for that. Passive bonuses for survivors and killers would be nice.

My idea similar to this is if you take a survivor's 3 teachable perks on the relevant survivor your 4th perk is automatically a secret perk that's relevant but powerful, e.g. with a Med-Kit Claudette can heal herself up from Dying state, or Meg can lower exhaustion whilst running at 10% of normal rate, etc.

that would be broken af and make the game even more survivor sided.

Hey I've experienced worse puns at work. Good job making a good one.

@ominous should i turn emo, never mind, you probably wouldnt like it if i did D:

No, no, he’s got a point

I mean, some ppl just genrush. I‘m happy when u also do something else as surv, it slows down the game, so I can chill and don‘t have to tryhard.

@@daskaninchen ah yes I shall not do the only objective (genrushing) and wander around breaking totems and opening chests. Look I'm a killer main and genrushing is one of the dumbest terms that I hear all the time it's the only objective what else are they supposed to do?

Oliver Traister I mean, I play Surv mostly, so I agree with you, I don‘t have anything else to do, but at least I try and do alot of totems (I mean inner strength is also one of my favourite perks soo) and try to get an item, but I really like it when the killer recognizes that we are slowing down a bit, so he also does. And yes, I had rounds where Survs try to slow down, had a game against a deathslinger were we did like not one single gen in two minutes, and he just didn‘t down anyone in this time and still complained about genrush... Dude, u had two minutes to down someone...

@@traister101 then later Go on forums complaining about noed

@@traister101 As for me, tunneling is the most dumbest term that i heared. I am a killer and it's my only objective to kill every single survivor, so why i supposed to let you go after hook? Or why i just can't slug you? Oh, yeah, right, cuz it's boring for you.

I have no excuse for being as bad as I am as survivor. Can't loop and always bumping in stuff. Only 3 months played but still. Sucks for me because survivor is so much more fun for me. So I play killer when I get too frustrated and pretend I'm decent just cuz I'm 10 ranks higher on killer.

@@tango33w I'll allow it

4x OoO isnt really usefull tho. 1 is enough.

@@sirgando3774 tell it to them, they do it because they know you can't tunnel them all without a mori

Literally some people load up the game only to spoil other peoples fun.

@@yeahhbuddy3932 really don't understand it. Being goofy is different than standing in the exit gates for 3 minutes. I just deny them satisfaction by ignoring people that taunt and never going to the exit. I imagine they're at least a little aggravated.

So, a perk slot must be used to prove this wrong, and only from 40m out. While survivors immediately see where the down happened, and where their teammate is hooked.

Xela Flow I R O N M A I D E N

@@silentcalling You can choose 4 of them, and it's not like it's a bad perk either. It's probably the best standalone information perk in the game. Also, Killer gets to see where every generator in the game is, while survivors can't, but nobody complains about that imbalance of information sharing. Knowing where the objectives you need to defend are is very different from knowing where the objectives you need to complete are. Knowing the first slows the game down, while knowing the second speeds the game up. Both Killers and Survivors only know where their objectives to defend are, and perks/items that let you know about objectives to complete are limited in availability or power. When they aren't, you're going to tilt the game's balance heavily to the side that gets that information.

@Xela Flow If we're going to strawman, then I doubt a person that thinks Deerstalker gives more information than BBQ has any legitimacy deciding what's right or wrong. However, I don't need to strawman to make an argument. You're going to argue that BBQ has never been a strong killer perk, yet its very existence will make people stop doing objectives to get into a locker to avoid detection. It's so commonly used that some people will get into a locker upon a Survivor getting picked up just to cover the possibility of BBQ. It's part of why it is such a strong perk. It has no obvious tell when a killer has it, so you have to guess playing around it. By playing around it, you slow down gen progression to deny information. Guess what that's accomplishing? Exactly what Thrilling Tremors does. Forced the Survivors to decide between giving information to the killer to continue objectives, or forgo objectives to deny information. And you could easily be stopping objectives for no reason because you have no way of knowing for sure if BBQ is actually in play. You could remove the bonus bloodpoints from BBQ, and it would still be used because it is a good perk. Is it the best? Definitely not for every killer, but it is extremely consistent across most killers. It's because of that consistency that it gets used commonly, and it's because it is used commonly with no tell on its existence that it becomes even more powerful. There's only one other information perk that I can think of with a similar combination of power, popularity, secrecy, and standalone efficacy, and that's Discordance. It's the only other information perk I would consider as having contention for best information perk.

@Xela Flow You can't say everything you said was valid when it's very easy to prove that BBQ gives more information that at least one aura reading perk. Heck, I made that "wall of text" to explain why it's better than most, if not all other, information perks, but I doubt you bothered to read it. You're just expressing your opinion with no evidence or supporting claims, and dismissing any evidence against your opinion as "the embodiment of mental illness". You can confidently leave the discussion because you never had any inclination to make it one. Also, that's ad hominem, not strawman. Strawman is deliberately misrepresenting a position to make it easier to rebuke. Ad hominem is an attack against the speaker rather than the argument. So that's another thing you've said that isn't valid.

Its better just to make maps not be over 100 meters or in general not be so big at all.

@@krisbojin8669 especially ormond

Wouldn’t work, killers like spirit, nurse, billy and most killers with STBFL could easily cross the map in no time. Bit unfair to slower killers than survivors.

Merely increasing gen speed bluntly like that is a bad idea because all it would really do is make survivor less enjoyable, the real way to fix game speed/length is to add more mandatory objectives for survivors to do rather than just find a gen and hold down M1.

@@legizticz6360 seriously that map is busted. id rather take 10 haddonfields in a row than ormand

Bro I'm a solo survivor main and that shit is easy 😂 I prefer solo over swf shits easy as hell. Just make a notification at the beginning, and get the killer on you. Done. You won if you can loop and your team knows gens.

Danny Devito you must just always go against bad killers then. Because usually the killer stops chasing someone after a minute.

This is 100% accurate

True

dBD iS A hiDe AnD SEek gAme!

The killer is supposed to feel like a killer, the irony being you seem more insecure than anyone you're talking about lmao

So the game should throw away its concept of ‘horror’ that it advertises itself as?

@@matttale7918 Dude. This game isn't even slightly scary after the first day or two. Yes the "Horror" aspect is what the game was meant to be originally, but it quickly evolved into what it is today. I guarantee you if the horror aspect actually played a part in the balance of this game the game would've died a long ass time ago.

@@DantesHaven Somebody can't take a joke.

I mean this is pretty niche and most people don’t play trapper. But certain survivor errors can be costly

Yeah what the hell is this point. "listen dude, survivor mistakes are impactful, if all 4 of us get slugged by Oni and noone has unbreakable, the game is lost" tf

Asumaki lmao i thought my app was bugged

@@pajamalink its a meme but ok 👌

Dew it

Nah

Jar jar should be the next killer as he's a Sith Lord

Would buy in a heartbeat

40-50 percent of matches are SWF. 4,3 or 2 man so yes its common.

Because playing solo survivor sucks ass recently

I've only play when with a friend or a group of 3 but lately every game I play the killer has BBQ

yeahh buddy Shit fr? 40-50? I wouldn’t have guessed that. I thought I was just unlucky, I’ve got so many videos saved of me going against swfs lmao

Paulina Yeah that’s very true, when I play solo queue every game plays the same. Meghead continuously goes down, Claudette with key is never found and plays extremely cautious, Ace/Nea with flashlight who never does gens, and me.

true, the one i see most often is people going for those unhooks at the worst times just so they can get tokens on We're gonna live forever. It ends up getting other players killed prematurely, and they don't do gens, and then just try and get out through hatch. But that why i think its not arguable that survivors are more toxic. For starters there are 4 of them to the 1 killer, casuals are more likely to play them, and as a survivor you also have them be toxic to you. Ive never had to much trouble with killers being toxic other than face camping, a time when i wish my team would just slam gen so this guy only get a 1K.

@@outlaw451 Well, a killer has 4 individuals to be toxic towards, so as a survivor, its also a point of misunderstanding. I could, as a killer, not find any survivor for 1 whole minute and then find the one who was unhooked 1 minute ago and chase that person again. To that person, depending on my terror radius, it could seem like I was tunneling that whole minute and just couldnt find where he was hiding. In turn, that survivor assumes I am toxic and therefor assumes the build I have is toxic, and in return would probably be more toxic in his behaviour. Essentially: It makes sense from the survivor POV why they end up playing more toxic later game, which is why I dont really count that kind of toxicity. My definition of toxicity is people going in the match, fully intending to ruin the game for their opposition. But those should not be misinterpreted with safety measures against toxic players An extreme example of this could be like iri hatchet+infantry belt huntress with deerstalker+nurses is never fun to go against, but very useful to use against sweaty SWF, then you could decide to use it's effect less by getting m1's and only using your instadown on long range targets or injured targets. Essentially, non-toxic players would have access to a nuke but decide not to use it unless they need it(for example, not body blocking or working on gens in front of the killer because of DS). While toxic players would use their nuke whenever the option arises.

What happened?

Sea Seaven I wanna know too

@@latroyw4650 He got 360'd after 2 years by a gremlin, Quentin.

@@latroyw4650 Scott Jund Gott Spund

😂😂😂😂

Ds2 was not bad at all, it was just not the same thing as Ds1 (like ds3 lol), so "fans" hated it with a passion

@@MattHazard95 I think Dead space 1 and 2 are pretty close games. Objectively dead space 2 had smoother gameplay, controls and added new weapons/enemies. However, Dead space 1 was longer and had much better atmosphere/horror. You just don’t get that feeling of hopelessness in dead space 2. While the Uber morph was cool it was pretty much the hunter from ds1. For me I’d take dead space 1 because I like the atmosphere, horror and levels more. The gameplay of ds1 was really good still. Both are great games.

@@dominickchuka5387 I guess we were talking about Dark Souls.

@@MattHazard95 Lol I thought you meant dead space. It’s a very good game if you haven’t played it. I never played dark souls but it looks difficult

@@dominickchuka5387 Scott is an ex Dark Souls content creator, yeah. Sometimes people also refer to DS for darksiders. And all of them had 3 mainline games.

Poor fucking Evolve man, that game was the closest to getting it right but got absolutely slaughtered by bad marketing and then left for dead(get it?) and became a shitshow. Loved the hell out of Evolve when it came out.

@DonJuan Yates nah it was like 1:1, but the queue times for killer were like 45 mins. And p2w

Isnt going to do anything when the whole premise of "Gen rushing" is having everyone on separate gens. And if you're going to put "1 person" gens in a strong place, you're just gonna make "gen rushing" worse, since it double reinforces doing a gen by yourself for efficiency.

It probaly would help, because gen rushing is doing generators with so many survivors and engineer-toolboxes with brand new parts as possible and then go to the next generator. Everyone doing one generator (without toolboxes) is doing generators as fast and effective as possible, but not really gen rushing, because it could happen in a normal match while everyone is solo q and don't know that anyone else is doing a generator. But gen rushing with your friends will still be faster than doing the gens as effective you could do without a toolbox or/and in solo q.

@@Schrank458 3 seperate Gens being popped within ~10seconds of each other >>>> 3 people popping 2 gens within that same time.

Peaple on diferent gens does make the game better, It really makes the game slower and more Fun for both sides, peaple complain about slug, but thats the only thing killers can do to buy some time. Anyone that plays killer against not good survivors but survivors that Focus only on gens knows that killers dont have time to make 12 hooks without slugging

2 guys go to next gen 1 Guy saves If someone else get chased they do the gens with three people again, the solo q guys probaly go saving with 2 people (because no information) the other gets chased -> No one does gens after save(+heal) they so gens alon again 80s each or together Like the swf

@Dod o I think that no map should favor anyone. Ideally, every map would provide enough resources for the survivors that the game stays fair and exciting, while not depriving the killers of all map pressure.

I took a break from this game for 5 months, come back and one of my first games, they lopped 4 gens in about 2 minutes (I didn't even have time to hit a surv once) and it wasn't even high ranks, it was a rank 16 game. At that point, I remembered exactly why I didn't want to play the game

@@tescobag5704 yeah that crap is friggin stupid. The issue is that its so easy to do gens and they don’t have enough drawbacks or difficulty to make them more balanced. Then you got resilience, prove thyself, toolboxes, bnps, stake out, fast track, etc. it’s all dumb

I would only partially agree, if ur teamates are bad as randoms ur just screwed. Skill goes out the window usually. With good teamates its still moderately easier than killer. With SWF my god how can you ever lose?

you're wording it like thats a bad thing :|

@@ScottJund Lol sorry if it came off that way, I didn't put too much thought into the language I guess, I certainly meant it as a positive / funny thing. You wouldn't think a body of players who play the role of a "killer" would need self-esteem... But hey, more messages like these can go a long way in persuading many people. Continue to be a strong voice of reason in this community my guy