This isn’t just something that this community has to realize. This egotistical mindset is everywhere. People who don’t know or deny that they make mistakes will continue to make them forever. It’s the people who recognize what they are doing wrong that improve and get better. That’s been the cycle for a long time.

Zubat played so much he transcended to the chill zone. He's a great example

Hmm, so you're saying that if i become humble, i can tell others i have far more potential than them.

This is definitely a problem in other games as well

Zubat: Unlucky Otz: Oh I guess I got outplayed, well done Feng. The guy in your lobby: EZZZZZ N00B

Scott Jund giving us commentary on life but pretending like he's talking about DBD.

Scott, wouldn't it be too much to ask of you to upload an analysis of this Azarov-Blight VOD? It sounds like it would be greatly helpful to watch you re-analyze your own mistakes.

This is one of the biggest things that League pros/high rank players will talk about as advice for getting better. Watching back and looking at your mistakes is one of the best ways to improve in almost any game. I think one of the biggest things that you didn’t really touch on is even looking back on your victories and look for mistakes. Don’t ever just win and go “I just played better than them.” Look back at the match and go “I fucked up here, I should have done X here, etc.”

The amount of times I've faced a killer who isn't even attempting to have any map control, they just chase one person for minutes and lose all of the gens and then say "gen rushers" is insane

Also including the fact that people like that generally ignore the 100 games they will win inbetween that one bat game.

Hardest thing a DBD player can do is NOT DC

This is what I tend to say on Dbd’s subreddit but this leads to so many downvotes and long agressive posts from some people for some reasons: the game is fairly balanced and losing doesn’t mean the game is unbalanced. Glad you made this video, hopefully this idea will be more shared in the future

bruh I'm perfect which is why I'm a rank 12 and it's impossible to go higher

I totally agree, everyone's guilty of this, including myself. I think the underlying factor, though, is how we don't promote growth mindsets; because this happens, every new player will be exposed to this mindset unless they happen to know a "diamond in the rough" or watch them, i.e. you, Tofu, Otzdarva, etc. I think this can be expanded upon with perhaps a PSA or discussion video in how to analyze mistakes and how to cultivate a growth mindset in terms of DBD and, potentially, have it be applicable to real life as well. Great work, as per usual, always giving my incoherent thoughts a voice and structure. Keep it up Scott!

"Admit when they're wrong" video ends 11 seconds later

Watching you and other streamers like Otz and Zub really made me realize the need for this mindset. Even when watching you guys play at very high levels, all of you being extremely skilled players, I was catching mistakes in every vid. That’s when I had to take a step back and realize that if I can notice mistakes in your vids then there must be shit I’m doing wrong in games and it’s allowed me to not only self reflect but self analyze and make corrections mid game when possible. I agree with everything in this video and I think adapting this mindset will make the game much more fun for players.

Me and my friends had a game like this against trapper today. We are a 4-man SWF, but none of us are amazing at the game, 3 are decent at best and one is a pretty new player with only like 100 hours. The killer made a bunch of mistakes like interrupting 2 of us at a gen at 5 gens, only to overcommit to chasing 1 guy running away instead of going back to pressure me off the gen in an area surrounded by his set traps, allowing me to finish the gen and disarm all traps around the generator. He stopped comitting to a chase against an injured survivor he was definitely going to kill to try and interrupt a gen, despite the fact that hooking that guy would've made more pressure at that point in the game etc. As soon as we got out he instantly called us big bad "toxic genrushers". None of us played toxic that match, none of us play meta or play to win (I was using autodidact for god's sake), and we definitely weren't playing optimally to the point of genrushing, hence why he managed to interrupt 2 of us stacked on 1 gen at the start of the match. If we were 'genrushing' we wouldn't even let him interrupt 2 people at once, we'd all be spread out on 4 gens all at once. I spent at least 30 seconds after every generator using detectives hunch to go break a totem as well, so he can't even say we just slammed gens all game either. Now, granted we were on Ormond and he only had 1 perk so I doubt he would've won anyway, thats just ormond being ormond, but the fact that he didn't acknowledge a single mistake he made, nor any flaws of map design, instead choosing to single us out as toxic genrushers is kind of disappointing and annoying. Like what do you want us to do? Sit around for a minute not touching gens? You lost because you didn't apply pressure properly in the early game and you got a bad map, don't blame that on us being "toxic genrushers" for doing the one objective we have.

Great video. This is something that I've been complaining about to my friends just before watching actually. It's kind of insane how often I see "nice swf" or "nice genrush" types of stupid messages on the endgame chat and like 99% of the time the killer plays bad and makes up a dozen of excuses as to why they lost.

The hardest thing a dbd player can do: stop playing the game after shouting, breaking their controller and going on a killing spree because that shouldn’t have hit

Clown op

Can't shadowplay when youre getting 35 fps on low

i VERY much agree with all that scott's said here. when i play survivor with some select friends, i find that they ALWAYS complain about the killer whenever they die. no matter how fairly the killer plays, they will claim that they tunneled, camped, or were just playing scummy. it is so tiring, and i really wish they would adopt a healthier mindset so that all of us could just have more fun with the game.

The very first dbd streamer I watched was Tru and very quickly I noticed he had that annoying ego about him. He always justified his losses as not his fault.

"Send it to me." Shortly after: *Your inbox is full*

Such a humble and cool dude. Have been enjoying this content for a while now. So impressed! :)

meanwhile zubat: "this game is garbage" memes aside. he only said that when the game actually shit itself with lags and/or bugs

#Tru3ta1ent “the game’s broken, I’m the best” or something like that.

Hey Scott, just wanted to let you know that I like these types of videos because you are teaching a very difficult topic that goes far beyond a video game--humility. I don't know if you know that, or give yourself enough credit.

I also think so many people blame the game is because they feel a lot of frustration during the game. If I get hit by a 59 second DS after I hooked 2 people it's logical to blame the game for it, and if multiple things like that happen it's easier to blame the game for everything after a while

Fully agree, also, adding to this, the point that Scott makes needs to be taken comparatively between the 2 adressed mindsets, you can still, for example, have the mindset "i just wanna have fun chases in my games" or "4 stacks of bbq is a win for me". It's just that the self-improvement mindset is healthier than the non-reflective one.

Yup I see this alot. It's just streamer bias, people watching a streamer they like will usually support their toxic behavior and make excuses for poor gameplay, but do the complete opposite when their streamer's on the receiving end of the same behavior. As for the complaining you mentioned on the forums, people seem to forget that genrushing is uncounterable only against the highest tier survivor team, the game isn't unbalanced enough that gen speeds are an issue in every green rank game they seem to be playing

Applicable to a lot of other walks of life and probably the most important thing I ever learned. Glad to see you had a discussion on this. I've played a lot of imbalanced games in the past but looking past that is the only way to improve.

To be honest I'm well aware of that but then I'm blaming myself so much at sucking at the game sometimes. Lol. I definitely love Otzdarva and Zubat for that (you also of course, for explaining it.) It's really hard to not blame anyone or anything and just assume it's a GAME. I will quote Otz on that : "If you actually try, even if you fail, you're at least worth more than those who don't try" (well it's not exactly word for word but you got me lmao) I'll definitely try more and more and more to follow that advice, thank you Scott

first time watching scott, im new to the dbd community been having a ton of fun. loving all of the Dark souls shit, and nice to see dark souls 2 get more love

I'm glad you posted this. In playing DbD I'm the hardest on myself, but even I slip up and blame the game. Its just a humble reminder that I can do better both in game and in my attitude toward DbD and the others that play it.

This is all very well said Scott and I couldn't agree more. I think another big thing that relates to this is that people have trouble letting stuff go. I admit that when I'm in game, I'll sometimes make up excuses for myself like "lag" or there was nothing I could do to avoid that hit/get the hit but it's always in the moment when emotions are at their highest. Five minutes later when the match is done I always think, "Yeah, I messed up and could have played that a million different ways with better results." and I stop caring about what could have been and let it go or I try to learn from it, I don't take the loss with me for another ten games. Some people however will hold on to that frustration for way too long and it can change how they react to the game and their mistakes. Having a proper way to vent out that frustration is important but when you see people on the forums saying they're having a mental breakdown because of SWF or other things when instead the real cause may have been their fault in the first place, it becomes it's own issue. Is it about people not being able to admit their mistakes or is that people can't let their mistakes go and so they try an come up with excuses to appease themselves?

You know, pre crossplay playing killer on PC having those games would suck because it was minimum 5-10 min wait for another game if not longer, at least where I live. Now with crossplay I'm finding killer matches in 5-10 seconds most of the time so even if I get absolutely shit on or have a bad game or am playing a killer I'm new with I just dont care as much because the faster queue times have, for lack of a better term, made each individual game less 'valuable' if that makes sense. As in i care less about any individual game because I'm able to play more games in the same time period compared to pre cross play

You won my heart with this Scott. The best way to get better at anything is to have a growth mindset.

Thank you for making this video. Every single day people complain about "gen rush" and "SWF discord cheaters" and rant about their bad games on the Steam forums. It will be so much easier to link this video rather than trying to explain to someone that they lost because they're bad.

As soon as I see the title, I shift my focus of vision to "W" on my keyboard.

i appreciate this convo so much!

You know Scott, this is a pretty good point from a casual perspective. I can't really say I relate too much, because I'm kind of a perfect player. I haven't ever actually made a mistake before (but maybe one day!). Once you get to my level you'll probably understand. The most rewarding part of being a flawlessly talented dbd player is being humble towards all the worse players, because let's be frank, I'm in the 1% *at least*. It really gives them a place to feel at home. As always, I appreciate your contribution to the dbd community, pretty good video.

One of the cool things of watching Scoot is that he's always critical about player's mistakes, so when someone (either him or a survivor) makes a mistake, we know what that mistake was, instead of going "oh that was luck/the game". Now when I lose two gens during my first chance, I know exactly where I fucked up. Or when I miss a hatchet because I moved my mouse too much. The list goes on. I just wish I could run the game at more than 7 FPS so I can tell whether I was actually spun or just couldn't see shit.

I try to spread this message, too, Scott. As an amateur teacher (and small streamer), I try to re-frame how students/people think about mistakes and encourage a more constructive, positive, improvement-centered mindset. I'm basically restating what you said in this video, but yeah - if people start looking at mistakes as opportunities to learn and improve instead of as negative results and/or things to be feared and avoided at all costs (even to the point of denial, blame-shifting, and other forms of disassociation), their improvement in a given endeavor becomes easier. The more comfortable people become with making mistakes and being flawed, the more rapidly (or at the very least, more mentally and emotionally healthily) they improve. It's a very Socratic point of view. "All I know is that I know nothing" comes from the same (or at least a very similar) mentality as "I made mistakes." Both are not operating to protect an ego.

something I've been thinking since I started playing this game back in 2017 is that you gotta go into it with the same kind of mentality you would with going into learning a fighting game, or any skill really; it's an ongoing process where you yourself and the people around you aren't going to always know everything there is to know. There's always going to be someone better than you and there's always room to improve so entering a cycle where you play the game yourself, review your gameplay, spectate people that play your character at a high level of skill, or at the very least a level you want to reach, and also doing more indepth research into things that are giving you trouble is a very effective strategy for improving. Obviously there are a lot of differences between this game and most traditional fighting games out there, but I feel like this same kind of principle applies. The only thing this game *really* needs to address is the map balance, and while some aspects like "second chance" perks being combo'd for insane anti-pressure like DS+unbreakable as you often say, or the oppressive power spikes certain items, addons and mori's allow for definitely need some scrutinizing, DBD definitely feels like it's in a much better place than it was all those years ago. At least in a world where the game isn't a new buggy mess to discover every patch :)))

I'm just here trying to find that one comment Scott tweeted

Watching you, zubat and otz have put me in this mindset before I even watched this vid I’m always saying to myself mid game I shouldn’t have done that and I need to do better here. Thanks for the change of mind

I honestly think that besides parts of the Souls community and perhaps parts of the For Honor community, DBD has some of the highest concentrations of unadulterated Dunning Kruger that I've seen outside of the big ones like MOBAs and all that jazz. People WILL NOT accept that they've made mistakes. Which is why you so very often get to see the "nice tunnel" when you've literally hooked every other person before going back to that person, but no, you were tunneling according to xXFortniteSuXPubGRoX28Xx who spent the entire game trying to get one flashlight save. Or how they scream about this or that perk, or this and that addon. On both sides mind you. It's really just vitriol in the well and everybody's getting a mouthful.

this is actually something that people in professional sports have to learn early on. you can’t keep blaming your team or the referee, you have to learn to see how you could’ve adapted and reacted to the situation

Everything you said is Tru3 in a nutshell

Another great discussion video. Totally agree with what you said. Keep up the great work!

I've been saying this all year. I have never watched a DBD youtube video where the Killer says "they were better than me" or "I made too many mistakes". You're an honest guy Mr. Jund. 👍

I feel like to enjoy the Dbd is to just ignore negativity around its what I've been doing I don't complain cause I don't care I've been enjoying it a lot more.

I literally watched the majority of the video trying to remember what the music was from, Good video I'm gonna rewatch the parts I missed.

I haven't played a lot of DBD lately, but in the past I've seen recordings of my own matches thanks to shadowplay being on... And I've absolutely had reactions like "Why the hell did I do that?" at points in basically every single one of them even if they were good matches for me. Some of the mistakes were so glaringly obvious watching the footage back it is almost as if I was watching someone else play. That for me it really showed how different the reality of things were at the time of playing, versus how I might have thought a match went right after it ended.

Should have just called this vid “truetalent”

It's not only admitting their own mistakes that is hard for people to do. Admitting that someone played well is also something that people seem to avoid, which is a pity, because both things imo are extremely important if you want to grow as a player. Knowing both your own shortcomings and your opponent's strengths.

Pretty much since the day I got to "high level" area of DBD play I have recorded as many games that I play as I can. I go back to look at the different games in order to see the mistakes that I make during said games, be it the ones that I already knew I made or otherwise. I still get a bit ticked off when multiple things happen back to back, be it mistakes I make myself or something the survivors do when I'm playing killer or killer does when I play survivor, but I still tend to go back and see multiple things that I could have or should have done differently.

Yup. Not naming names, but a big reason the community says this type of shit are some content creators that are NOT humble, and don’t encourage admitting and learning from mistakes. It’s even worse when they still draw or win a game, and they consider it a loss and complain about the game even after a 3k or 4K. Makes the mindset even worse.

You changed my mindset about the game. It helped me a lot.

Glad you're feeling better health-wise!

I feel like people have this mindset because the games you make mistakes in just feel like you couldn't do anything. As killer, a few small mistakes can add up really quickly to a steamroll from the survivor team; you can't really make little mistakes throughout a match and get a win vs a decent team. So I feel often people just don't realize their mistakes because they're so small and seemingly insignificant that you'd never notice them in-game, but really they completely shafted you in the big picture. I don't think it's an issue with ego, I think it's just an issue with inexperience/ignorance. I totally understand why people think these losing games are unfair, because it feels like you didn't play terribly. Honestly a replay view system would go a long way for this game, would maybe fix a lot of the complaints in the community.

I Agree with this, this is something i wanna do,

I remember watching a VOD of a streamer I went up against. He was playing Oni on Mother's Dwelling, and even though it's a shitty map, he kept saying "they just genrushed" when he wasted a whole use of Oni's power, he missed so many demon strikes, had tunnel vision, and camped someone in the basement.

I knew exactly what you were going to talk about just by reading the title before watching the video. I was just, "if he doesn't say 'own up to their own mistakes' I'm going to comment it".

4:45 so tru3talent?

I think what feeds into this is that players who know they aren't playing "well enough" end up staying away from lots of multiplayer games. They get tired of being picked on and then we lose people who could legitimately balance out the competitive ego.

False. The hardest thing a DbD player can do in DbD is actually have fun playing DbD.

To quote Picard from Star Trek TNG... "It's possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not weakness. That is life." And soooo much of the community has to learn that little pearl of wisdom.

Kudos for bringing this up. Sometimes I feel like chat put streamers (this happens on other games as well) on pedestal. Like they think the streamers are the kind of "friends" that they don't ever wish to irritate, or that they actually believe streamers they like are infallible. It's worse to see some streamers actually let the "celebrity treatment" go into their head and think they're as great as chat want them to feel. Let's face it. It's a game, people play games to relax. Accept things that are not going to change (i.e. BHVR's retarded design), and seek constant personal growth is never as appealing as sit on your ass and complain about how the odds are stack against you.

I've been doing the "analyzing" for a long time whenever I see a TTV in my lobby.I just look at the vod after match and see what I did wrong.Really helps you get better at the game.

There's many times losses and bad games do not feel like my fault at all, but almost every time I can see at least one critical error that though pulling it off may not have saved the game, it's something to look back on and prepare for next time, and maybe I can prevent that failure in the future.

If only True had watched this video he might still be a Fog Whisperer

This reminds me of a match where I played with two friends against a Plague on Temple of Purgation. Both of them essentially split the time for chases for the whole match and couldn't do much once they were on hook because the Plague would either face camp or constantly walk around them in Kindred distance. That doesn't matter, what matters to me as how the Plague proceeded to message me and explain they were both toxic. Neither of them t-bagged or did any gesture that would be considered toxic behavior, they were just really good in chase, and I feel like Scott's point on players failing to admit their faults does a good job of highlighting the mindset people like this player tend to have.

Dude I really wish we could get you and some other DBD players on a podcast. I would gladly listen to a weekly hour long podcast of discussions and opinions.

Do you ever plan on bringing back the game analysis series on clips that get sent in again ????

I cant wait to genuinely improve. I always find myself questioning what to do or if im making the wrong choice and regretting decisions. The part im most looking forward to is being in consistent levels. Im rank 15 and go against red ranks. I want to be able to play at that level so it isnt an issue. If I win a game im a god amongst men if i lose well back to level 20 lobbies. No in between for me it feels like.

I had a game yesterday on astarov as blight where a 4man finished a gen so fast it didn’t count it. They spread out the gens and did well but I still got them all. Extremely frustrating, with them along with the killer interactsble bug that is rampant in my games. The map is almost comically killer sides even though it doesn’t seem that way at first glance. I also agree about the circle jerk of the nothing I could do mentality. Sometimes I don’t feel I played that bad as to get beaten as bad as I have other times I do. Getting in the mindset that you just lose because... isn’t a good or healthy one. Losing as killer is extremely frustrating, because it’s essentially a race against time and if you are losing you have to do all you can to try and stop it while as survivor you can just sit in a gen if that’s the right call which isn’t stressful. A lot of players need to realize this and go in expecting not not 4k everytime and be ok with losing.

I think this kid is secretly a survivor main, a feng main, a feng with ds

that is what i call an hd bean

I dont want to use ds unbreakable or borrowed time. I hate having to use those perks. But I use them to stop the killer I'm going against from being a dick. Getting tunneled isnt fun to me.

I definitely agree that the mindset should mostly be intrinsic however, it would be ignorant to ignore problems with the game in favor of intrinsic possibilities because then we don't hold the people who's job it is to balance the game accountable. A balance is needed more than one way or the other.

Scott, don't worry, we know you are capable of making mistakes, and so does the rest of the DBD community, especially the majority of players. Though, the survivors were all a 1man SWF, they had a key, also, 3 medkits and 4 bnps. I also got ds stunned by all 5 of them while the rest of them clicky clicked their flashlights at me as they simultaneously gen-rushed me. Also, it was Haddonfield but with snow and long hallways on top of the 30 safe pallet loops and jigsaw boxes. Also, the survivors had no ed and tunnelled me off the hook. Also, the spirit brought Prayer beads and an ebony mori. And my shoes weren't tied. That's why I lost that one match today.

I love your take on the game

I realy needed to hear this today. I had realy rough games today, and thanks for reminding me that I make mistakes to.

You speak the true true, it has gotten really old hearing ppl use the same old generic complaints post match whenever they don't get their way, in total denial of the mistakes they chose to make in game

I think one of the best things that you could've done to get this point across is if you pulled up the stats BHVR released months ago which showed at low levels of play, killers are averaging something like 2.5 kills with even the weakest killers, and at about a 3K with some of the stronger killers at low levels of play. Then it jumps to higher ranks and all of a sudden it was I believe all but like 2 or 3 killers were averaging closer to a 3K then a 2K with some of the stronger killers such as Nurse, Freddy, etc. They were getting ABOVE a 3K average, like I think one of them was at something like about an 80% kill average meaning realistically on average they're probably able to 4k every other game. Certain issues in the came I can understand make the game feel unfair and unfun, but at the end of the day the stats they released show that at all levels of play killers realistically are in a good if not great spot and to make excuses of bad balancing, unfair gameplay, etc, every time that these people get screwed harder then usual, is just stupid. Problem as well isn't that these people don't realize it, it's that they choose to ignore it. I've spoke with a number of people about it on the subreddit and they ALWAYS find some sort of excuse. Like someone tried saying the rank 1 stats are skewed because only the best players will stay rank 1, ignoring the fact that at the end of the day they still stay rank 1 by beating people at or close to rank 1.

I agree for the most part, but i don’t think people just want to shift blame to the game (of course with some exceptions). And yeah admitting you make mistakes and learning from them is crucial to achieve something, however saying “oh I could’ve done this thing and that thing” in almost every game is straight up negating the problems the game has.

Trying to stay calm after 1 match

I saw an old video of yours recently (think it was like a year old) and you said you were working on a video about everything wrong with each dbd map. I was sad when I went looking and couldn’t find it:( do you think you’ll eventually put out a video like that? Good shit as usual btw. I blame the game a lot more than I should and it’s def to my detriment as killer lol

How would I submit a video for u to review?

That's where all the "camper, tunneler" mindset comes from aswell It's easier to blame someone/something else than yourself

I knew exactly what this video was about when I saw the bottom vod. I agree though, this community needs alot more humility.

I 100% agree with this, back when I started to play the game I would always scream at the game and how it’s always the games fault and not mind, but now I’m saying how I could’ve looped better or expected the killer to moon walk or double back. And ever since I started to acknowledge that I’ve seen my self get better

Wow... ya know looking back on it I never realized just how badly this effects me... Ill have to rewatch some of my games...

this video needs way, way, way more views.

There are times though where there is nothing you can do to change the outcome, getting gen rushed or looped at a god tier loop with no mind game potential

This is why I feel like ghostface is the best killer. If you are getting bmed at a pallet tbag at them then continue the chase. If they played well and it was a balanced game give them reveal points while they’re on the hook and walk away. If they gen rush just pick up a survivor and drop them at the gen and then lose your chewed pen. At the end of the game if you feel heated the best thing you can do is play a different game for a little while or go grab a snack or just take a deep breath and start a new que

Thanks Scott

To be honest I think depends on personal experience and map related killers. Many experience players say that this map is not killer friendly at all and put on the bottom list of killer's favourite map. Maybe for The Blight is good, dunno, I simply do not like The Blight, so I can't tell. With other killers I play usually is not a friendly map to me.