I watched this video almost a year ago. Since then I've modified my manual cleaning process and have now put the Kirmis on my list, illuminating others. Currently, I am still in the research stage of my record cleaning "evilution." So far I have been cleaning records using a manual process that includes Vinyl Styl and Record Doctor cleaning machines. I use the Vinyl Styl, which is similar to the Spin Clean, but with the advantage of goat hair brushes that reach into the record grooves whereas the Spin Clean uses felt pads that only wipe the record surface. I don't fill the resevervour with fluid because I don't like the idea of reusing dirty fluid. Instead I spray my fluid on the record spin it a number of times, let the fluid sit a few minutes, spin again, then use the Record Doctor to suck off the muck. The fluid I use, exclusively, is Audio Intelligent because it uses enzymes to loosen and remove a variety of contaminants which I have confirmed with Jim Pendleton, president of Audio Intelligent and with my ears. I have seen that white substance that Mr. Kirmis showed in his demonstration in his restoration process. He also demonstrated it with Micheal Fremer. This is the reason I don't fill the Vinyl Styl with fluid. After I wash, soak, pre-clean, and use the Record Doctor I rinse in the Vinyl Styl with a dedicated set of brushes, then vacuum that off. So far I can attest to this process. It is time consuming, but it's worth the effort. I have been considering an ultrasonic machine to augment my method. The Degritter was, for a while, at the top of my list, but I have also been considering the Humminguru. The Degritter may be faster, but I don't think it'll clean any better than my current process, and that makes it cost ineffective. For the price of one Degritter I can buy roughly six Hummingurus. Six of them would give my the advantage of cleaning six vinyl records (I do have LPS, 45s, 78s) at the same time. This option is impractical because I really don't have the space for six machines, not to mention the issue of proper power requirements. I would like to pre-clean and rinse as many records at a time as I can and then follow-up with a final clean and rinse. The Kirmis offers this possibility. It is now on my list. The Audio Intelligent products that I use are really reliable, and cost efficient fluids. The company now offers a solution for ultrasonic machines. I'll have to ask Jim Pendleton whether his product can be used in the Kirmis. I suppose I should ask Mr. Kirmis as well, although I my risk unintentionally insulting him. Thanks for reading.
@BarakaPDub11 ай бұрын
Great write up on your process John and I think it will work well. An Ultrasonic will definitely augment what you're doing. As for the Degritter, I had the chance to use one at a local shop and I got to say I was disappointed by it. It's nice with all the bells and whistles it has to offer but in the long run, I felt it left some residual static from the drying process. Honestly, it the ultrasonic process you need to go for. The machine that does it shouldn't matter so much. That's just my opinion though.
@bulldogdave3 жыл бұрын
I've had the Upscale Audio version of the Kirmuss for 6 months now and I end the cleaning process with a Record Doctor VI for drying. For those who may not want the bunny logo, the Upscale Audio version is the one to get and it actually looks much better. That said, the results will vary depending on condition of the record and how much "elbow grease" you put into it. If it is a new record, often you can just run it though the Kirmuss once and then dry it. But for older records, a bit of "scrubbing" with the solution is needed. There are many ways to clean records but none of them are better than ultrasonic cleaning. I have a lot of records and I use mine almost daily. Ah yes folks, new records do need cleaning before playing them. Also, your stylus and the stylus cleaner should last a very, very long time if you clean records properly.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great comment bulldogdave. I greatly prefer the Upscale Audio version to the one I purchased and I would have gotten that one to avoid the 'bunny.' Your absolutely right about new records too! New records should be cleaned before being placed on the platter.
@jondubb352 жыл бұрын
Like you, I clean all of my new records, in addition to used. For my new records I've gone through the entire Kirmuss process, multiple trips to the bath, spraying and working in surfactant with the goat hair brush, etc.. For used records, this manual portion of the Kirmuss cleaning process is necessary, but for most new records, after reading your comment here, I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time trying to clean new records using the entire process???? Do you run new records through one 5:00 minute cycle, dry and that's it?? Or do you run a shorter cycle, 2-3 mins?? For my new records, I would love to save some time, as my only gripe with this system is the amount of time it takes to clean just one single record, following the Kirmuss process.
@kevin196793 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this. I just bought one. It has worked very well for me. It has brought every used record of mine from the 60’s and 70’s back to life. I have used the complete process - the spray and soft scrub then re put thru the machine a couple times. I agree with your review that this may not be the end all and that you may still need a mechanical machine/process to get the dirtiest records clean.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching Kevin! Someday, I will try his complete process, I just need to find a good old, dirty LP to try it with. Hope you and your family have a happy holiday.
@jondubb353 жыл бұрын
I have had mine since September of 2019. Nothing but fantastic results for me. The ability to clean multiple sized records, including two 12” records at the same time, is what initially sold me. After using it on a large portion of my collection, I can honestly say that every single one of the records that were cleaned with the Kirmuss system are virtually pop and click free. Charles is a bit obnoxious in many of the KZfaq videos out there, but I found him to be friendly and transparent when I met him in person at a RMAF show. Kirmuss headquarters here in the US, is actually in Denver, where I currently reside.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jon for commenting and it's good to know our thoughts and feeling about the machine and Kirmuss are the same ;) It's funny because I am from Wyoming originally and all of my family is still there. I am hoping to hit the RMAF sometime in the future. Hopefully, when all of this COVID stuff abates a bit.
@jondubb353 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Yeah I’m hoping we actually have RMAF this year. Whereabouts in WY were you originally from. My dad was raised in Douglas, WY and his side of the family has deep roots in Wyoming. I love WY and will hopefully relocate there someday. Only thing I don’t like about it, is the damn wind!! Blows year round!! Summer, winter, the entire year!!!
@varsityathlete99272 жыл бұрын
He replies to emails promptly with detailed replies, that gives him a boost for me too. Many more in this industry could learn a thing from that.
@SgtMjr Жыл бұрын
As there is no local dealer in my area I e-mailed. Charles called me soon after and we had a great convo. That has never happened with anybody else. He is committed that's for sure and will 'bend your ear' but he's passionate and it's his 'baby' so I'll cut him some slack. Price and performance wise I think the KA-RC-1 is the best system.
@TheAgeOfAnalog3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you again. I'd like to try ultra sonic cleaning eventually, but probably only on a few records I know are otherwise in excellent condition, but ones I feel I just can't get that last 5% of dirt out of. Ultrasonic, IMO, is too expensive, noisy, and time consuming for anything but the most coveted records in my collection. Here's my record cleaning regime in a nutshell. This is what I do for the records I offer for sale in my store. If they're really gross, I rinse them off in the sink with cold tap water. Then I have two SpinClean units on my counter, one with cleaning solution, the second with just distilled water. After running the records through both, I dry them with the supplied SpinClean cloths, then air dry in a plastic rack. I've had many customers say I have the cleanest pre-owned records in town. I'm pretty proud of that. Now, if it's a higher end record, or something I'm keeping for myself, I'll go to the next step, which is to use my own homemade RCM. I made it from a plastic milk crate, ice cream maker motor, foot switch, platter, painter's pads, and a small one gallon shop vac with OkiNoki strips on a modified wand. Works as well or better than any RCM I've seen, for a fraction of the price. It requires a little more manual labor, but I've got maybe $85 invested in the whole thing and it works a treat. I really need to make a video.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see your process in a dedicated video. I am sure other budget conscient folks would love to see it since a lot of audiophile gear is priced too damn high. Your process is very sound and exactly what I would do on a budget. On the Ultrasonic front though, you could just buy the cleaner for a little over $100, forgo the motor, and thread an LP through a metal rod and manually turn it.
@HiViNywschannel3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul!!!!!! Great to see yoooouuuu 👋😄👋👋👋👋👋👋👋👋
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Ian! I hope you are doing well! It's been a very long time.
@h2vinyl3 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see you Ian! Hope you had a happy holiday season and a Happy New Year! Miss you in the VC brother! I need to send you an email some time; I made an exciting purchase HiFi-wise last year; following your example and recommendation! Take care and again, Happy New Year!
@HiViNywschannel3 жыл бұрын
@@h2vinyl okie Buddy!!!!!!! Thank you and have a great time!°°😄😄😄
@TheOmahaIntrovert3 жыл бұрын
Greetings, Paul! Fab presentation/explanation of ultrasonic record cleaning! Oh man, some of these machines charge so much and then they want you to spend more to buy a separate $100 adapter for 7" and 10" cleanings? Pssshhh. Looks like plenty of pros with the Kiramuss. The NY Taxi Driver record has me cracking up! Good example choice! It appears the Kiramuss delivered. Pretty amazing. In a few years I'll be upgrading to something like this! I always enjoy your videos. Best editing in the VC! Happy holidays! :-)
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Hanna. There were a few more things I wanted to do with this one but I had a lot of the footage shot early last month. I figured screw it! I need to string what I have together but I am glad it turned out all right. There are ways to do this cheaply for sure and not spend an arm and a leg. The quasi DYI options will work just as good as my unit. It's all really in the process. The rest of it is just added convenience. The NY Taxi Driver was fun but will likely end up in a purge pile at some point down the road.
@GrandmasHandbag3 жыл бұрын
"Best editing in the VC" - Seriously, if ever there was a VC oscar...
@kirmussaudio75783 жыл бұрын
Beware of these adapters that see 6, 8, 10 or 12 records skewered. The ultrasonic's action is canceled by the rejected standing waves. Records too tightly spaced together. If using a cleaner never buy a cleaning solution that does not list the ingredients. Check the ingredients list with the PVC Chemical Compatibility Chart that can be found on the web.
@HiViNywschannel3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic dissertation of the science and mechanics, how things sound after the Kirmuss treatment, and great conclusion about the combination of mechanical+ultrasonic to clean completely!🧘♂️😁🎶 Brother, I wish you and your family to be well, safe and healthy🍀🏡🍀!!!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. I had wanted to do this one for awhile but haven't had a whole lot of time as of late to make videos. I got to say, you've been missed and I've had to refer a number of people your way on the Nagaoka cartridge. In fact, I might just be buying one as a gift for someone.
@HiViNywschannel3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Buddy Paul, thank you for your reply. It is warm to hear from you again, and see you again... Glad to see the vinyl records behind you as usual. Blissful🎶😁☘
@johnsweda29993 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub you might want to check out the audio Technica at-VM95ML $150 very good cartridge cheap for microline cartridge, what is more ideal better cartridge micro line. Somebody I follow users the mp500 but he uses a different stylus made by a different company says it's better sorry I can't remember the make cheaper replacement as well.
@johnsweda29993 жыл бұрын
@@HiViNywschannel Whats up Ian..! why don't you do videos anymore!
@dixielandfarm3 жыл бұрын
Miss you, Ian!
@Kalprog3 жыл бұрын
Very informative review with a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing your own experience with this unit. I'm impressed with the fact you can clean multiple records at the same time, that is definitely a bonus for those with 7 and 10 inch collections. I'm with you on the "alcohol debate". 70% is a safe bet and always has been. Thanks again!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kurt! Even now, I have a person that wants to debate me on the use of alcohol but I also have a former Chemist (Michigan Record Club) that confirms it's not reactive in the comments. The ability to easily do 7", 10", and 12" records and just drop them in is what sold me on the unit. I didn't want to mess with taking records on and off a spindle so I am a bit lazy in that regard.
@kirmussaudio75783 жыл бұрын
Appreciated very much the review. To comment, our process changes the charge of the record relative to that of water. This takes full advantage of the cavitation effect of the sonic. The spray worked onto the record does this. We need several cycles since the record returns to the same charge of water as it spins. We first remove past films from prior cleanings, then the release agent. Peer sonics cannot do this as they rely on a soap or just water in a sonic's basin for cleaning.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir and I hope this garners you a few more sales. Personally, I think the way you've employed your solution is the most practical out there on the market. I am looking to find a good record to try out your entire process and perhaps cover it in another video down the road.
@goboslament55353 жыл бұрын
Hey Charles I got a sweet deal on a bridge. You interested?
@chelillingworth9466 Жыл бұрын
If the spray is as you say antifreeze, why would it cost $95 for a 10 oz diluted bottle? Although interested in your machine. I can't imagine any reason for the $10 per fluid ounce cost of this. How many records does one 10 oz bottle clean?
@kirmussaudio7578 Жыл бұрын
@Chel Illingworth The liquid is made in Germany, shipped by air to China. The additive is exclusive to us. Liquid not available in any other fashion. It is not antifreeze! It is propanedipl 1,-2-178. Then shipped by air to the US Then shipped to you at no charge. If you are familiar with logistics shipping by air just for the China to USA portion went from $46 a box to $113. Duties went from 3.8,% to 3.8% plus 25% from the Trump Tax. This said the cost to restore a record is between 0.26 and 0.38 which varies with the number of cycles in the machine. Only three squirts of spray are applied to the record. The goat hair brush is used to cover the record and thus change the charge of the record to be opposite to that of water. Following our instructions the record does not have to be drenched in liquid as it is not a cleaning solution. It is s used to attract the effects of cavitation. Take a look at our series of training videos on our channel and in comparison the AudioDeske sees one of their bottles suggested to be used per day, no longer keeping the cleaning solution in the machine for months as agreed the filter cannot filter out dirt and dust of 3 to 5 microns using a filter of 120 to 300 micron diameter pores. Their cost is about $3 per record. Finally, our process is the only one proven to remove the release agent revealing 1.3 to 4 dB gain over floor. Depending on the provenance of the record. Certainly at the maximum cost of 0.38 cents or so per record discounting the need for distilled water, we allow your existing sound system reach its full potential with no change in hardware. This as we now see the needle making full contact with all the details of the pressing, With a restored and not surface shined record, it's a good idest to perhaps now also invest in the Wally Tools set of alignment tools. To expand on your observation, and my response, why do not peers talk about dB gain over floor? Most processes use air or vacuum drying, which leaves a film on the record thus temporarily hiding the flaws and issues. Our process sees records come out virtually dry. Check out our 45 minute video recorded in front of Korean audio journalists this past November. Sorry to be wordy but you need to understand the process. 36 cents per record for the results we guarantee with shipping and tax included is very reasonable for the auditory results you are receiving
@kirmussaudio7578 Жыл бұрын
Propanediol is the spelling.
@sagauer3 ай бұрын
I bought the same cleaner on alibaba for $250, works great!
@ettoredivirgilius87893 жыл бұрын
I have the Vinyl Stack set up for ultrasonic cleaning with a home brewed surfactant solution that I researched a formula for online which includes alcohol like yours. I also use disc doctor V for vacuum duties. Results are fantastic and really give SIGNIFICANT improvements. Because I’m a bit AR, I finish up with a anti static gun and place in a quality anti static sleeve. Records stay static free after 2 years so far.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for chiming in Ettore and I am glad I am not alone in the use of a diluted alcohol solution. The Vinyl Stack really is a good option and I've hit their website up several times over the past few years. Also, nothing wrong being AR! All my records get a double distilled water rinse on my vacuuming machine.
@royshashibrock39903 жыл бұрын
I have used a record bath for years with great results. It has vertical brushes on each side below the surface of the solutuion and you rotate the record manually while in the bath. I use Windex as the cleaning solution. You slowly rotate the record as you bring it out, then rotate it quickly to "centrifugally" get rid of most of the cleaning solution. Finally, stick the album on the drying rack after removing the record holder/label protector. It works fantastic!
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting process Roy&Shashi Brock. I do use a drying rack as I know any dry rubbing of the surface will just generate a static charge on the vinyl.
@peterbuechler51713 жыл бұрын
Great video and very well presented. I have a DIY ultrasonic unit that I have been using for 3 years now. I am considering making some alterations to it to help with really dirty LPs. There is a formula online that suggests adding enzyme cleaner to the mix. It is supposed to help break up the organic matter that gets built up in the grooves. After a 15 minute clean I will rinse the LPs in distilled water and immediately vacuum the fluid up with a modified shop vacuum and felt covered nozzle ensuring that there is no residue left in the grooves.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thank Peter and the DIY ultrasonic and vacuuming solutions will work just as well. Do you know where you found the formula with enzyme cleaner? I do use enzyme cleaners on occasion and I would be willing to try something different. For me, the rinsing is one of the key elements to the whole cleaning process. Again, thanks for the great comment.
@peterbuechler51713 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub I seem to recall it was in some of this guy's videos. I don't always agree with his methods but some things he suggested makes sense. I like his collection of Jazz material as well. kzfaq.info/love/fDyDCc5IAEruMJhaVwctag
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter!
@daviddubros41842 жыл бұрын
I recently went the budget route for ultrasonic at about 300 and now am looking to pair it with a vacuuming record cleaner. Compared to anything else ever used this method is by far the best. Would love to have a Kirmuss but too rich for my blood. Cheers
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Hello David. Absolutely, nothing wrong with going with the budget route! It's the ultrasonic process you want at the end of the day. How you get there doesn't matter. Everything else is just going to be additional bells and whistles. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@DismasM3 жыл бұрын
"You feel as if your life is being threatened. " I truly LOLd. I'm running an Okki Nokki and for pretty dirty LPs two passes and then rinsed with water it works great. (I buy a lot of used LPs) I don't think people understand how sturdy vinyl truly is--it can bounce back from dirt, just not physical damage--which is pretty hard to do, really. I've been thinking about adding an ultrasonic but haven't yet found the need for one.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
So Kirmuss himself, rubs a lot of people raw with his sales tactics and that bled right into his instruction manual. It's all a bit over the top if you ask me but looking past that I was sold on the drop in ability. That said, the Okki Nokki's are good RCMs. They are what I tell people to buy if they are looking to vacuum. My VPI is overpriced for what it is and I wanted an Okki Nokki at the time but they discontinued making them only to resume production after I bought my VPI. Thanks for watching and commenting Joe.
@docteurrobert3 жыл бұрын
We're a long way from my homemade machine 😄. It all seems amazing! It's great to see you around here again. I hope everything is fine! Happy Holidays. Take care.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hey, homemade will work just as well as what I have in this case. It's all about the process ;) I hope all is well with you Paul and hope the holiday's treat you well! Hope to see your review of McCartney III.
@MelindaMurphy3 жыл бұрын
What a great review. I use a Vinyl Vac to remove the cleaning solution off of my records but the ultrasonic cleaner would definitely be better than what I am currently doing for the actual cleaning process. I was impressed with the way the red pencil just instantly came off. Nice!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
After using just a vacuum for a number of years and the Spin Clean before that, I can honestly say, the ultrasonic gets the LPs the cleanest they have ever been. That said, I don't think one needs to spend $950 like I did. I think the cheap DYI solutions will work every bit as good. Thanks for watching as always Melinda and I wish you, your husband, and daughter a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
@NickP3333 жыл бұрын
Hey, Paul. Always great to you back with a new vid. Firstly , I honestly burst out laughing at your dry jokes numerous times. Spot on. Spot on, ol’ chap! This is 100% the best vid I’ve seen on ultrasonic cleaners. Extremely thorough job. Seeing that colored pencil quickly dissipate into the water was pretty amazing. I picked up a Record Doctor VI a while back, but am very interested in the Kirmuss. All the extra steps with the mold release agent, then having to clean it again kinda turned me off., but I’d be fine letting it go through once and calling it done. Thanks for both the knowledge and entertainment, Paul.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Nick. I felt exactly the way you did in the interviews with Kirmuss and the anti-fungal process. The way he was selling it was a turn off but I pushed that aside and bought it for the functionality. I didn't feel like spending $2000 more for a filtering and drying capability, only to have to pay more for spare parts after washing a few hundred records. But I also didn't want to spend time messing with spindle attachments. I liked the drop in feature and the capability to easily clean 7" and 10" records. The colored pencil demo was a must because I hadn't seen anyone do it with a record and showing that demonstration will help people understand the capabilities. Thanks for watching and Happy Holidays!
@false_binary Жыл бұрын
Great review! Recent interviews with Dr Kirmuss he is quick to point out most solutions are just bubblers and not real cavitation / ultrasonic. I have a humminguru and my sense is while it does a fine job of cleaning up basic problems easily, like new records with factory crud, it does not work as well as the Krimuss solution. Ionization is the name of the game too and it is a rinse / repeat restoration solution versus many of these other products.
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
For me the rinse and repeat is one of the main things for getting a good clean sound. Thanks so much for catching the video. I have been curious about the Humminguru product and have contemplated buying one to try it out.
@thomasedward22313 жыл бұрын
You had me at vapor bubbles
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! Thanks Thomas.
@big_burly_bro3 жыл бұрын
Good to see you dropping a video. One of 2021 "vinyl goals" is to step up my cleaning process. This video will help me figure out my approach.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eric. It feels good to finally get another video out and I am hoping I can squeak one more out before the end of the year. Ultrasonic is definitely the cleanest I have ever gotten my records and honestly, if you go with one of the quasi DYI versions, it should be just as good and cheaper. Even cheaper than most vacuuming machines on the market. The downside is that it's just a little more labor intensive but it's not so bad.
@stevewestwood48322 жыл бұрын
Intelligent and cost minded , excellent presentation. Agree about use of alcohol, concerns seem to be more focused on extraction of plasticisers rather than attack of PVC itself but I use IPA 20%: to deionised water 75%: to surfactant 5 % and have never suffered any embrittlement of the vinyl. Great topic and much needed with people hunting down old vinyl these days.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Steve for watching and commenting. I am glad your experience with IPA matches my own. I've been using it for years and have yet to experience any issues.
@ericelliott2273 жыл бұрын
Good review by the way Paul. I like how it was balanced and on point without straying into conspiracy theories and unrelated complaints, etc. I have seen from some others. It just basically says "well, here it is and my experience, like it or not, you decide". I enjoyed your review. Yes, present and let folks decide, that is the way you do it!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Eric thank you for watching and I think you left a very long detailed comment which a saw last night but has now disappeared. It's weird, I didn't delete it but I remember getting halfway through it before getting distracted on the home front. Yeah, I try to leave to the viewer to decide what they think of the product as I am not a fan of reviews that paint a rosy picture of every product. I don't think any product is perfect so you got to put out the pros and cons. To answer your first post, based on my recollection, I think everyone has their own process. Is mine definitive? Absolutely not! I recall from your first post something about vacuuming first because if you do it the other way, you get the platter wet. I think either has it's advantages and disadvantages. While I didn't make this video about my comprehensive process, when it comes to vacuuming, you're right, you really don't want to get the VPI platter wet. What I do is I have a plastic sheet which I lay over the platter. After the first side has been vacuumed, I pull the plastic sheet off and vacuum the second side. That way, only the cleaned LP surface is touching the VPI cork platter. As you can see from the pencil demonstration, the debris, while removed during the Ultrasonic process, doesn't settle immediately to the bottom of the tank. When the process stops, some loose debris can wind back up on your LP surface. This is why I do a double vacuumed rinse each side with distilled water afterwards. Two times might be excessive for some folks but I error on the over conservative side. With vacuuming, I am also careful not to over vacuum. I always go one, maybe two, revolutions at most; otherwise, you're just imparting dry friction that transfers electrons to the surface of the vinyl. There might be a small amount of residual moisture on the surface and this is what I let air dry. While it is true that no home is dust free, leaving the record out to dry for ten minutes. at most, doesn't really leave much time for a lot of dust to accumulate. Is there some dust that does accumulate...sure. When I play a record, I do so with my lid completely removed so I am more likely to see dust collect when I play the vinyl. Dust just cannot be avoided but it can be mitigated. For the microfiber cloths, I only use them when dampened, to remove large residual drops of water. I did a video on LP static, where I demonstrated dry rubbing your records with a mircofiber cloth only imparts an electric charge and allows the particles to accumulate. Hope this explains my process which might be a bit for some. I have seen others that take it far beyond what I do or others that just do it differently. If it makes 'em happy, then why criticize?
@ericelliott2273 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Thank you for your kind words Paul. I found my excessively long comment again for you. (It disappeared on me too for a bit). You will find it under the replies to DSaudio. By the way, you do vacuuming correctly sir! When working with my VPI for initial chemical treatment sessions, I also lay down a cheap vinyl mat on the cork platter for side one, then remove it for side two. Yes, this keeps things clean. I do two revolutions of vacuum, that's it. That gets the record dry enough that it takes only 10 seconds for anything left in the grooves to dry and it goes back into the sleeve. I hear many complaints that the process takes too long to which I say, if you want the best results you have to be willing to follow the required process. I'm working on a "paper" regarding record cleaning and "restoration" to submit to the science community. (This will take a while though, several months). I can tell you my process if you have an email or something. I used to be an audio journalist (4 years) and met a lot of reviewers. I agree, the constant praise of products does not lend to credibility for reviewer or product. I've seen some real BS in my time. I remain friends with two because they are dead honest and not afraid to speak truths. You might check out Sean Fowler of Zero Fidelity and Thomas from Thomas and Stereo if you haven't already. I don't always agree with everything, but 95% is great odds.
@Townie10003 жыл бұрын
Love the review / video. I have a DIY version similar to those you showed. I use Tergikleen in the bath. I also use a record vacuum to remove the water and leave to air dry. I was concerned about the possibility of not getting all the Tergikleen in the vacuuming process (they advise to rinse record after cleaning). I decided to manually wipe distilled water (soft foam brush) over the record before putting it on the vacuum machine for the "rinsing". Gives an added level of mechanical cleaning as well. Important not to use too high of a bath temperature, I use 30 degrees C. Each full cycle takes about 30 mins not including air dry time. I've rigged my bath to handle two records at a time. I think too many records at one time will reduce effectiveness. Keep up the great videos.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Downtown Townie. You're right about having too many records. There have been some studies done on the spacing of the records and what is optimal. Being an engineer, I would love to study what was done for them to get to their conclusions. Tergikleen is a product that I have yet to try and I hope to try it in the future.
@michiganrecordclub44843 жыл бұрын
Great video Paul. I worked at Dow Chemical as a chemist. The same Dow that makes the high density Polyvinyl Chloride you mentioned. I personally worked in a waste water lab and studied reactive chemistry and you are correct. Alcohol is not very reactive with your vinyl records. Scrubbing Bubbles (by Dow) is. It is a high caustic cleaner. Vinegar is, it's an acid. (mild acid) I never get into debates with fellow record collectors. It isn't worth it. But you my friend are on the same page. One last thing is that we use sonic cleaning of most of our lab equipment. We use pure deionized water though. Great job. Great video.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Actual confirmation from a Chemist! This is exactly what I needed! You're right about Scrubbing Bubbles! I use it but very, very sparingly due to it being caustic and I quickly rinse it well afterwards. Not sure how much of a material breakdown can be observed in short, time limited manner. You're right about the debates. In some cases, there is no arguing with the idiot. It's just wasted energy if people have closed minds. I hope you have a happy holiday and I enjoyed your last tag video with Steve.
@SublimMedia3 жыл бұрын
You are a true hero for putting this out Paul. Great video as always. I have the Okki Nokki vac cleaner and I'm very satisfied with it but I bet that a ultra sonic would do an even better job. When my trusted Okki dies ill concider this def! Have a great day Paul. /Jonas
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a good Okki Nokki! Dr. Deadwax was trying to sell me on one long before I started to make videos. At the time though, I caught them in the window they stopped making them. God Jul my friend!
@DanRussell-zl9re6 ай бұрын
Thank you Paul for info I’m still using a spin clean with paper towels because diaper rag leaves to many fibers. I have been leaning towards the upscale audio Kirmus bundle thank you again for the review
@BarakaPDub5 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with a Spin Clean. It's what I started with and I had the same problem. What I found worked well was to buy a label protector, do a distilled water rinse with a spray bottle, and let the record air dry. The Kirmuss is one of the better budget ways to go ultra sonically.
@yohanmarchena95993 жыл бұрын
I have the upscale audio version of it an I love it. The only thing I have to say about the machine is that you need to complement it with an anti static gun. Great video.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting and watching Yohan. While I didn't get into it here, I do a double rinse on my VPI and doing that, I've had zero problems with static. The key is not to over vacuum. Too much dry friction will just induce static.
@yohanmarchena95993 жыл бұрын
Quick question my friend. I have seen the video about the cleaning solution you make. Are you planning on keep using it with the Kirmuss or did you came up with a new recipe? if so do you mind sharing? I found the Kirmuss solution super expensive. ($ 85dollars for 10 oz)
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
@@yohanmarchena9599 $85 for a bottle??? Whoa! Is this his anti-static stuff? I haven't used it at all. As for my cleaner, I do use it on occasion with my vacuuming machine when I know I have some really tough stuff that ultrasonic won't totally eliminate. As for Kirmuss, I do follow his suggestion of putting in 40 ml of 70% iso alcohol.
@audiotomb Жыл бұрын
KLaudio is back and being sold thru Acoustic Sounds. Best Ultrasonic unit on the market
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
I do like the Klaudio since it doesn't require the $100 replacement parts or cleaners for every 100 records spun. Thanks for watching audiotomb.
@Paneeks19603 жыл бұрын
So good to see you again Paul. I need not say how fantastic your reviews are because they are. This one definitely included. You look better than ever. Do you ever age? The best of best Christmas to you and your family. Hoping that 2021 helps to make 2020 a distant memory~ Rob/Boston
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind remarks about the age Rob but as each year passes, I am seeing more and more grey in my hair. I also think you have me beat on the age thing. I could swear you look the same as you did when I first started watching you! I wish you the best in the coming weeks and I hope you have a safe and awesome Christmas. Here's to 2021!
@HiViNywschannel3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob👋😁👍
@ginntonic1233 жыл бұрын
Great to see you back, please keep them coming!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jorge. I might be able to do one more...maybe two during the next two weeks. Will just see how busy my wife makes me with stuff around the house. Happy holidays.
@MarkWaldVinylCrush3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I'm just getting to know your channel. I so appreciate your warm, calm approach. I relate to that as well. I've been using a VPI and have been considering adding an ultrasonic cleaner as well. Great intro and review. And LOL that Taxi Driver LP Happy Holidays Mark
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark. I love the variety you bring to your channel and I am happy you jumped into the video making game. I had been using my VPI for five years before this and was quite content with it but I started to hear about all of the benefits of going ultrasonic. I have found coupling the ultrasonic with a distilled water rinse on the VPI does wonders. With all my new records, I haven't heard the faintest click or pop in months!
@cameraplus72333 жыл бұрын
Great review & helpful for anyone looking to go this route. I started off with a basic Spin Clean & progressed to vacuum cleaner to a DIY ultra sonic. Each time there were improvements, but I eventually opted for the Audio Desk. To say it's impressive would be an understatement. If you have the money buy one, simple as that. Sonically the difference is impressive.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Camera Plus. I can be a bit stingy on where I want to spend my money in this whole hobby but if I had more cash to throw around, I probably would have went after the Audio Desk. It is nice that it's an all in one solution.
@brokewithaudiophiletaste6076 Жыл бұрын
Almost exactly the second birthday of this video! It's a dandy, well done, Paul. I watched this a couple months ago for the first time and didn't get the nuances. I've since seen several Kirmuss videos and understand the overall approach much better now. I gotta say I find the guy behind this company extremely off-putting, like you mentioned with the included literature and its frequent all caps and bold passages. I've put off going down the cleaning rabbit hole for many years now because I anticipated it would be just that: a rabbit hole. And it really is that. So many competing theories and personalities and egos and vested interests. Almost all of them (even contradictory ones) sound plausible and it seems you just have to try them out to find out what works. After several years of not going beyond an Audio Technica home cleaning kit and (don't laugh) wood glue, I'm quickly coming to a similar conclusion as you: manual agitation/vacuum system combined with ultrasonic. I'm currently doing pretty much what Patrick/Vinyl Archivist does in his 1-2 year old video with his vacuum system. It's pretty good and I've rescued several records with those techniques, but for too many records it's still not enough. I'd like to think that ultrasonic afterwards would be the thing that does the trick. The audio sample in your video is impressive and I want to be able to achieve that too. I've considered the Humminguru because of its relatively low cost and several VCers seem to like it. But I'm concerned that it seems underpowered. So, the Kirmuss is increasingly seeming like the way to go. Where are you at with it now, two years after making this video and (I believe) 3 years after buying one? Has your enthusiasm for it increased, decreased, or stayed the same? Are you doing anything differently now? ✌️ Ian
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
I still love the system and it's still working like a champ. I haven't bothered with the defungal stuff that he hypes. With my method most new records end up being 99% pop and click free. Today I got to sample a Degritter with a Classic Records audiophile pressing and I can tell you I was underwhelmed. I think part of the problem is the auto drying and no rinse. The record through the Degritter, while improved, we're not 100% click and pop free. The record looked almost pristine going in and coming out. If I spent over $3000 on a cleaning machine, I would honestly want better peformance out of it. If you're looking to go a bit cheaper than this, the Kirmuss Ultrasonic tank is generic. You'll find the tank on other brands and I would buy it or something like it separately and use something like the Vinyl Stack to rotate the records through the bath. Now as to the Humminguru, I would be worried about the reliability of the unit. I have been hearing stories about breakdowns after 100 to 200 records being cleaned. It's attractively priced though.
@brokewithaudiophiletaste6076 Жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub good to know, thanks for the feedback!
@michaelbyrne88602 жыл бұрын
A well done video, informative and well documented on the operation of Kimuss record cleaner! I was thinking of another system? but pointing out the items that are conducive to wear and tear I see the value of spending a little more for this product! As it was once stated "it only takes a nickel more to go first class!" Thanks Byrne
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. I have cleaned over a thousand records on this unit now and there have been no signs of wear. I am a still a happy user and if I had purchased an even more expensive unit, like the Audio Desk, I would be an extra $500 to $1000 out of pocket buying fluid and rollers. While the DIY machines work just fine, this one will be a little less labor intensive.
@johnparks61722 жыл бұрын
Great review not only of the Kirumss, but cost effective considerations of other machines and maintenance. Right now I have a Vinyl Styl for dry cleaning and a Record Doctor for wet cleaning and vacuuming. I am researching the ultrasonic cleaners among others. So far the takeaways are some 2-step method may be necessary depending on the condition of your records.
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
There are some cheaper solutions out there and some of the DIY rigs work well. I would steer clear of the Hummingguru. I am hearing they are plagued with all kinds of problems and generally have failed after the first 100 or more records. Three years on, my Kirmuss is still running like a champ.
@playbackamusicloversjourne86203 жыл бұрын
Good video Paul, keep them coming. I enjoy the relaxed tone of your channel. I've cleaned my collection of about 1k lps using a Kirmuss over a period of a few months. Its worked very well - no issues to date. TBH I'm not a huge fan of the supplied spray, finding it very time consuming to use as prescribed and also found that it leaves behind white thread like remnants which you'll pick up later with the stylus during playback. I'm just using a solution of distilled water, IPA, Triton X-100 & Behentrimonium. A 5 minute spin in the solution is enough for most lps. I agree that occasionally a manual scrub is required to remove some difficult grunge, even on new lps!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I've heard good things about the Triton X-100. Have you been using it a long time? Thanks for watching and commenting Playback!
@playbackamusicloversjourne86203 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Sorry, I just saw your post now. I've only been cleaning my lps for less than a year & after LOTS of online reading as to what mixture to use settled on products that were easy to purchase (Amazon & local drug store) and had been found effective by others who had done their own experimentation = some have put alot of work into publishing their findings. It's such a small amount - I use a 1:1000 Triton/distilled water along with the other couple of ingredients. I only required 100 ml to do 1k lps.
@joemartin64393 жыл бұрын
I have one of those ultra sonic after market tanks with a very very vinyl clear adapter, which allows up to crazy 10 records at a time. Surfactants are a must. I use Tergikleen. Start up degassing, 6 minutes first clean ,lift out 3 records spray surfactants working the in the vinyl. Repeat process 3 times, then I use my Okki Nokki and distilled water rise and love my results. An hour or two drifts by very fast cheers Johnnie
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Johnnie. Yes it is a bit laborious and your process seems a bit more involved but you're right about getting good results in the end. It would be nice to do 10 records in one shot.
@flatrocker66753 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for some reviews on the effectiveness of ultrasonic cleaning. Who can argue with the grease pencil example. Great review. I'm still leaning towards a semi-DIY solution, however I do like this price considering some of the more expensive ($3K+) options. Excellent review.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Flatrocker. IMO, a DYI solution will work every bit as good as any machine on the market. It's all about the process. Everything else is just features added for convenience.
@TBNTX2 жыл бұрын
Got mine in January, 2019, when they cost $870. I use it three or four times monthly cleaning both NEW and used LPs. It makes a world of difference. I don't mind the manual elbow grease, because you can see how well the unit its cleaning the LPs.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Thanks TBNTX for commenting. I am glad your experience matches that of my own. I too don't mind a little elbow grease. Paying an additional $2000 for the auto drying just doesn't make sense to me at this point in my life.
@L.E.554723 жыл бұрын
Morning Paul☕️👋🏻🎄Lis......want 😎 Ahhhhhh I miss you 😶....thank you for this video...happy holidays
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lis ;) I hope to maybe have one or...maybe two videos out in a couple of weeks. Happy holidays to you as well.
@rongreen15383 жыл бұрын
Good to have you back Paul, I always look forward to your videos. Now, more importantly, where is the ‘My favourite records of 2020’ video, you’re overdue. Get your skates on! Oh, and by the way, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from the U.K.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Ron ;) I plan to do my favourites from this year and I hope to do it in the couple of weeks remaining in this year. Incorporating all of the sound samples takes a little time and I want to see how many I can get by with. Merry Christmas to you and a Happy New Year as well ;)
@koylesmasterpeice3 жыл бұрын
Great video Paul. One downside with the other more expensive ultrasonic machines is that you voided your warranty by using any kind of surfactant. Of course using a surfactant like alcohol is important in the operation an effectiveness of these machines. Also those crazy expensive paint roller brushes that you had to replace. Cheers
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Karl! Do you have an Audio Desk, Klaudio, or Degritter then? That's one thing I forgot to mention specifically was the cleaning fluid. That said, I already voided my warranty with my VPI but straying from their preferred solutions ;) Thanks for commenting and have a happy holiday.
@nanchanger2 жыл бұрын
How would they know?
@highrantdistrict3 жыл бұрын
I took a look at the Kirmuss web site and THEY CERTAINLY HAVE AN AFFECTION FOR WRITING IN ALL CAPS. It's funny, Paul, I was cleaning a couple of records this morning in my $80 piece of injection-molder plastic and thought "I should do a video about this" then thankfully thought otherwise as your video would have put me to shame. ;-) Seriously, given my buying habits so far which have mostly been with VG+ used or brand new records, this cleaning system has served me fine. If I dive more into buying much older mono records, and gravitate toward VG items, I may switch to a vacuum plus ultrasonic system instead, probably something like a groove doctor plus a $300-400 cobbled-together ultrasonic solution. I do have a mono cartridge on a spare headshell, and I think there are gems to be had in VG Land i extremely properly cleaned and played with a mono cartridge. As always, a great video! Love the bubble sound effects! Cheers, Tom
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom and there is nothing wrong with sticking to a budget and using an injected molded piece of plastic. I was that way for a long time ;) I think cheap DYI solutions to vacuuming and ultrasonic cleaning can do every bit of good as the pricier models. The pricier models just add more convenience features and nothing more. I mean, even I opted for convenience for not wanting to mess around taking records off of spindles. I agree with you on VG land. I want to do a video on vinyl to digital conversion which works fantastic with VG records.
@highrantdistrict3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub The viny-to-digital concept always intrigued me since I've heard claims that it sounds exactly the same but I've never tried to do it myself to confirm that. It seems to me that if you take the time to rip a record, then you later upgrade the table, cartridge of phono stage, you'll probably want to rip it all over again. And then, you know... it never ends. ;-)
@ergloo66603 жыл бұрын
I have a degritter and the results are stunning and no expensive consumables and no disc contact. 2nd hand vinyls gets 3 heavy cleans and it sounds like new.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
If I were to go for a full up, do everything model, the Degritter would be my product of choice. I've heard a lot of great things about them. And yes, used vinyl, gets treated the same way with me.
@ackamack1012 жыл бұрын
I just got my Kirmuss machine the other day and I have fired it up tonight. I thought you might be glad to hear that there is no bunny on the front of my machine. He must have heard you lol/. Poor bunny 🐰
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I am really glad he changed the package to be a bit more professional looking. I am going to run my Disney version until the thing falls apart ;)
@ackamack1012 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub it does look more professional without it, I would say. I tried your suggestion of drying the record with vacuum and distilled water. It worked great! Thank you for the suggestion. The Kirmuss is one amazing system. I cleaned about 10 records last night, both mono LPs from the 50s and a handful of 10 inch EPs from the 40s. I listened to a few of them afterwards and I could not believe how good they sound. This system requires some work, but I think it is well worth it. And a must for me because a large part of my collection are those old mono albums and EPs. Thanks again for this video. It was really a fantastic review. I appreciate it. 👍
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! I am glad you're now experiencing what a really clean album can do to your system. With your comment, I feel like I've done my job so thank you.
@thespaceace21123 жыл бұрын
I have one and I like it. I too use it the same way you do. It's a better clean and you can hear the difference.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I am glad to know I am not the only one out there. Thanks for commenting!
@swordfish523 жыл бұрын
Great Video Paul ... Nice soothing music in the background ... Jimmy ...
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jimmy ;) Sometimes Library Music is good to put in the background as not to keep things too static.
@GrandmasHandbag3 жыл бұрын
Shut up and take my money!! Sorry Paul, it's just that your production on your videos is pro quality in itself that I'm sold on that alone. This video was a delight to watch - and honestly, how often can you say that about record cleaning videos? I can appreciate your thinking behind your setup; a tad less automation for a lot less coin, with little difference in results... no wonder you went the kirmuss. The $3k-$4k machines are all fine if you're running a shop and are cleaning volumes that affect your prices, otherwise people buying them have a problem i'd love - too much money! Good to see you back, thank you for a wonderful video and I hope all is well in your world. At least I know your records are very clean, and that's a great start! Cheers- Dean
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I seriously considered going for one of the high end machines before I started reading up on DIY solutions. Then I realized, I would rather spend that additional money on records or other equipment. To me, I think the DIY solutions will work every bit as good. You're just missing all of the convenience features. That said, I did opt for convenience when I went for this one and wanted the ability to just drop the records in without having to mess with a spindle and assorted attachments. I hope you are doing well. Things have been crazy here with work and listening time has been strange this year but I hope to explain that a bit more in a video to come in the next couple of weeks ;) Merry Christmas my friend!
@GrandmasHandbag3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub you struck a great balance between performance, convenience and price. I hear you there on listening time this year - I can't listen to as much as I want and feel a fraud putting a video out without having listened to the new music I've found! Take care, speak soon :)
@RocknRonni3 жыл бұрын
Really well done video Paul as per usual
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron. As much of a pain it was to edit this one together, it was fun to do. Gear videos usually garner the most interest because I think most people want to make informed buying decisions. I hope this helps people a little.
@mrjape713 жыл бұрын
Hei, Paul! Ultrasonic cleaner is the best way to clean vinyl. I have a little ultrasonic cleaner and I've used it for years to clean my 7" singles. If I would have some extra money I would buy an ultrasonic cleaner which would be big enough for 12" vinyl but around here they are not cheap. Great and interesting video, Jarkko/MyVinylBar
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I have seen a few folks just buy a 6 Liter tank and thread a metal rod through the spindle and manually rotate the records. The cheapest tanks run just over $100 and since they're made in China, perhaps, you can find something of the equivalent in Finland? Thanks for watching my friend!
@HighnoonsVinyl3 жыл бұрын
Nice review Paul. I have been wanting to save up for an ultrasonic of some sort. Some of the adapter issues you mentioned on some models worry me as well. I liked the simple process of this, and I think the effectiveness shows in some of your footage. For the price this seems to be the best choice for efficiency and functionality. Now of I can convince the Mrs. Lol. Hope you are well sir!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I hear you on the 'Mrs.' factor. Mine was none to happy with more gear coming into the house but I am happy with it. These units do exceed vacuum units in getting rid of accumulated gunk in the grooves. The Kirmuss unit was actually cheaper than my VPI vacuuming machine funny enough. If you don't want to opt for the Kirmuss, I think a DYI until will operate every bit as good but will just be a little more labor intensive to take the LPs on and off spindles. If I don't comment with you before then, have a Merry Christmas Tim!
@PieterKleij3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I must defenitely dive into this subject matter. Thanks Paul, this helped a lot. ❤️
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pieter. I hope this does help folks in the long run! Happy holidays to you and your family.
@PieterKleij3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub To you and your family too, Paul.
@NotedArchived3 жыл бұрын
well done, paul. really enjoyable and informative. makes me wish i had more dirty records that necessitated cleaning! loved the mellow ambient background music throughout, too. great to see your face. be well and happy holiday season to you and the fam.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. This one has been in the works for several weeks now and I really wanted to get out a demonstration of what ultrasonic cleaning could do. The background music is from Artlist. They're great but I wish they had more music in this style I could use. I just wonder how much the artist actually makes from posting their work. I hope you have a Happy Holiday. Any chance we might see another video from you in the next couple of weeks? I am going to try and do one or two more...provided my wife doesn't preoccupy me with a bunch of house work.
@michaelamullermusic3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub the colored pencil demo was impressive to say the least. i wish i had you as a chemistry professor in high school. haha. we have the big four corners vid publishing sunday am. and i have a couple more in the wings before year's end. highly anticipating finding our permanent home with a new listening space and the good bright west coast light to make videos in. tell the wife you have content that people are depending on, sorry...! happy holidays, PW.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to the four corners!
@NotedArchived3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub you out-did yourself w/ your submission! wow. you and i also chose the same lp. nice taste, buddy!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
@@NotedArchived Its funny because the real one I wanted to do didn't work out. I was shooting myself behind a Green Screen with an LP title X-mas cards from space. I didn't get my lighting right and couldn't key out the green completely so I had to can the idea. Anyway, the Ansermet is really my favorite and really the only Christmasie thing I have on vinyl. Working in a big box media store for five years while in college, killed most Christmas music for me because we had to play it non-stop starting on Black Friday.
@h2vinyl3 жыл бұрын
Great review Paul; I've been looking at the Kirmuss cleaner as it is a lot less expensive than other models. I met Charles Kirmuss thru KZfaq and his interaction with Michael Fremer. Charles is eccentric to say the least; but I've been curious in his product. Apparently he's been caught up in some controversy with release agents/fungal/soap pulled from the record using his cleaning solutions. Have you seen these videos? They are probably around June 2018 on Fremer's channel and I'm curious about your thoughts on this? I'm not certain what to believe. Yet an ultrasonic cleaner is an ultrasonic cleaner (given some caveats of Hz, filtering and drying) and glad to hear this is a good one. That sound sample sounded incredible. Did you use the vacuum on that sample record before the ultrasonic? I was very impressed by the condition of the cleaning! Great job as always and I'm hoping to catch up on more of your videos! Happy New Year brother!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
So I had followed the antifungal controversy for a bit. Personally, I didn't buy into it and his pushy attitude about it was a bit off putting. I think it really put him on the offensive in a lot of online forums. That said, when I encounter an LP that I really can't get click or pop free, I would be willing to try it but to answer your question about my process; the Ultrasonic coupled with a vacuumed, distilled water rinse and an air dry has left all of my records virtually pop and click free so I can't complain. The key on the vacuuming part is not to over vacuum. If the LP surface becomes totally dry then you run the risk of just inducing static so I do one rev on a vacuum and let the rest air dry. If I were Charles, I would drop the antifungal stuff or sell it separately to lower the overall price of his package. The ability just to drop in records of multiple sizes is what sold me on his model.
@andreasbechtel88363 жыл бұрын
fantastic review, thank you. Yes, it's still expensive (for me) but i think it's worth the money and one day i will have one of these
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I can't recommend it enough and the cheap, quasi DYI solutions will work just as well. Everything else is there for convenience. Thanks Andreas for watching and commenting.
@olerocker34703 жыл бұрын
Taking you up on your advice, bro. Thanks!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ole Rocker. In this case, I don't think you can go wrong!
@richardmarks50203 жыл бұрын
Wonderful overview. Thank you.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Richard! I hope you found it useful.
@atmospherecollectibles-rec79813 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Super well done and although this machine is not in my tax bracket, this was informative and helpful. Thank you
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerome. Someone was advertising a model that's half the price of this one that's got a Kickstarter campaign going. It's also has a drying feature. I just hope it actually does hit the market because this whole hobby does not have to be an expensive one.
@chrisbarnhart79443 жыл бұрын
ok... thank you. i want a kirmuss and will get one when i have my vinyl rig up and running again.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Cool. If you pick one up, please let me know what you think of it.
@paulc53583 жыл бұрын
Nice video!!! I have one of the other machines you mention 6a liter ultrasonic electric cleaning machine I just bought the tank & mad everything else my self. I can do up to 6-7 records at a time & I just made a 2nd drying rack (so while 7 are beaning cleaned 7 are drying.) I don't use distilled water or alcohol my solution I used reverse osmosis water, Then I if I need to (or I'll do it solo) I use my Project VC-s Vacuum record cleaning machine, Both together work great.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I am looking at setting up a reverse osmosis system in my home. Just as long as you can filter out all of the hard elements, I suppose it could be fine. Thanks for watching and commenting Paul.
@paulc53582 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub funny I watched your video again I for got I had made this comment Almost mad it again! I get reverse osmosis water at Whole Foods for $0.98 for 2 gallons My jugs there water. Yes it does work well with my Project VC-s machine . Happy Spinning my Friend..
@SupraWes3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review Paul, I have almost bought this thing so many times. Maybe it can be a purchase at some point next year. Yeah one of the turnoffs is mr Kirmuss himself can be condescending and preachy, at least what I have seen of him in video appears that way. I was hoping he would be at the Florida Audio Expo that we went to in February but he wasn't.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Kirmuss bugged the s%&t out of me too on pushing his anti-fungal solution. Looking past it, the one thing that sold me on it was the record drop in capability. I opted for the convenience of not having to take records on and off of a spindle. Honestly, I think even the DYI solutions will work just as good. It's just a little more hassle. Thanks for watching Wes and happy holidays.
@Localbandography3 жыл бұрын
Solid review Paul. Anyone doesn’t want their alcohol send it my way. Lol.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha! Love it Dave and thanks for watching and commenting...as always!
@skycaptain15803 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. Very interesting video. I'm gonna get one of these someday so it's great to have your thoughts on such a product. Peace- Pat
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Patrick. Even with a cheap, Do It Yourself (DIY) version, it should be just as good as anything on the market. I hope you have a happy holiday my friend!
@skycaptain15803 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Thank you very much Paul. Happy holidays to you and your loved ones.
@presleyfan425v33 жыл бұрын
Great review. I clean my records using the vinyl vac record vacuum wand, and it has made my records a lot quieter and there are fewer clicks and pops, but the one negative thing I’ve noticed is that there is sometimes a very small amount of dirt or dust on the stylus after playing a record. If you could perhaps do a comparison of your stylus before and after playing an ultrasonically cleaned record, I would be able to judge for myself whether buying an ultrasonic cleaner is worth it.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Good question Nathan! So I can say without a doubt, that regardless of the cleaning method, you're always going to get stuff on your stylus. Basically, even if the vinyl was pristine, your stylus diamond is lightly, and I mean lightly, scrapping the walls of the record groove. Both your diamond and the record groove wall wear down with time. Not to fear though, you would have to play the same record hundreds, if not a thousand times to really have impact to the sound of the record if it's well cared for. If you listen to the hardcore audiophiles, there are those that clean their stylus after every side of the record played to remove the small bits of vinyl and dust that do get collected. I am not that anal retentive but I do clean my stylus after every three or four LPs in one session. Some would call that amount of cleaning anal retentive but it is good to regularly clean your stylus less you accumulate things that could do lasting damage. I hope this helps.
@allstopblue57172 жыл бұрын
You are looking for absolute perfection. it does not exist.
@DrSVNarasimhan2 жыл бұрын
I have observed a strange phenomenon with regards to cleaning records with this method. It appears that they have demonstrated cleaning only old, but newly bought or already clean vinyls! In theory, it is attractive. None has ever played any dirty record before and after cleaning with this method!
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
I use it with new records all of the time. I only used it with old to give a visual representation of what an ultrasonic can do.
@peterrech23073 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, good video. Firstly the KL audio unit was made in South Korea, the Audio Desk and Degritter are German. The Kirmuss is based on a Chinese unit. The Kirmus runs at 35khz, the KlAudio and Audio Desk at 40 khz and the Degritter is 120khz. The 120 has to small and fine bubbles for really dirty records, the others 35 to 40khs results in too large bubbles to clean properly. 80khz is the very best frequency for records. The Kirmuss can also run hotter than records will like as well as running on the rim of the record is a problem to me. All 4 of these units can be problematic with warped records. The speed on these three units is also incorrect as is the recommended cleaning times. The cheap 6ltr tank units all run at 40khz, 80khz tank units are up to three times the price and you still need the drive unit. .....Enjoy the music.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter and for the catch on the Klaudio. I always thought is was based in the United States. I saw quite a bit of debate on the Steve Hoffman forums on the frequencies and record spacing. And I didn't really want to wade into those territories as I am no expert on the subject at all. I do agree, the higher the frequency the smaller the bubbles. Heating elements aside, all of these machines will generate some heat as you're transferring all of that energy right into the water. So far I have run into any issues with warped records at all but I am trying to overdo it.
@peterrech23073 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Ultrasonics are great for cleaning, im not knocking them, its just there are a number of things that anyone planning on using one needs to know. I have built my own based on the same base unit that kirmuss uses, but i have a spindle motor running at one rpm, also put a temp sensor in that cuts the heater off at a set temp. i also replace the tranducers with 80khz tranducers since the chinese factory point blank redused to supply 80khz units. i use 1inch spacers/label protectors and do eight lps/single/10inch at the same time. i also use a vinyl styl for pre clean and another for post clean and a vac unit to dry. its a process but gets them super clean. im not an expert, just trying best i can to get the results i want. really like your videos. take care, enjoy the music.
@MoodyBlue42..3 жыл бұрын
Paul imho. If you're serious in regards to sound. Then money (to a degree) shouldn't be an issue. Especially when it comes to some sort of record cleaning machine. Thanks for the info 👍
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
You know. I was really, really tempted to get the Audio Desk they year before I bought this guy. But I looked at it and thought I would rather put my money in a new cartridge. The life of an audiophile...where do you choose to spend your money. Thanks for watching my friend!
@MoodyBlue42..3 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Indeed.
@TheVinylverse3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Paul. You teased this video a while back and I've been looking forward to it. From everything that I've seen I believe Ultrasonic is the way to go for cleaning and a vacuum for drying. Really nice job on the review! The Kiramuss seems like a really nice system. I agree that it's not worth spending up just because it saves you a little bit of manual labor. How is the noise level of the Kiramuss? I know ultrasonic cleaners can be loud. What's with the bunny? lol. I've looked in to making a DIY ultrasonic system but keep getting cold feet. I think I want to get the vacuum system first and then add the ultrasonic cleaner. I've been gathering quite a purge stack to take in for trade so I'm hoping I can put those funds towards a quality vacuum system. And then when I'm able to, add the ultrasonic into the cleaning setup. I'd be interested in your opinion on my plan. That NY Taxi Driver record was awesome! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your family! We're not sending out Christmas Cards this year but if we were you'd be getting one. Take care!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Bill. With work and family, it took me forever to pull this one together. I also had periods where my motivation waned because I work in the same room I am shooting in so I hate being locked in the same place for 16 hours ;) Ultrasonic is definitely the way to go and I find it better than just vacuuming alone but I was content with vacuuming alone before this. In terms of the loudness, it is loud but my vacuuming machine is louder. The loudness issue really confines when you can do it with a family in the house. If you're going for a vacuum, I would go with an Okki Nokki or Project (but not their lowest end model). I have a VPI but I think Okki Nokki and the ProJects do it better and cheaper. Hope that helps and no worries on the Christmas Cards! I am terrible with those.
@tomkennison43373 жыл бұрын
Great video. What is your process with new records? Do you use the Kirmuss? Do you use the surfactant on new records? Thank you in advance.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the question Tom. My process is usually the same regardless of the record. Most new records coming from the factory usually have small amounts of debris on them. Likely from the trimming process to form the outer edge but I also have found paper debris if they are using cheap paper inners. I always start with the Kirmuss and the ultrasonic process does require a surfactant; otherwise, the water will continue to cling to the surface. After the ultrasonic clean, I move to my vacuuming machine and do a rinse with distilled water. As you can see from the demonstration, not all the debris immediately settles to the bottom of the tank. Some will float back on the surface but it's loose enough now to be picked up by the vacuum. I realize this is probably pretty involved for most people but if you don't have a vacuum, I would rinse with a Spinclean or spray a fine mist of distilled water with a spray bottle and wipe down with a damp microfiber cloth. I highly recommend a dampened rag because wiping down with a dry cloth will just impart static back on the surface of the LP. I then let it air dry for a short time before putting it in a new record sleeve. Hope this helps.
@tomkennison43373 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Excellent. Thank you for taking the time to reply. I do have both. Do you have a preference for surfactant?
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I normally use alcohol as my surfactant but I have also used Kodak Fotoflo in small amounts.
@ericelliott2273 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Hi Paul, For any records, new or used, I would like to suggest somewhat reversing your steps and see what you think. Instead of putting the records first into the Kirmuss machine, I would suggest either a run through something like a SpinClean or if you have a vacuum RCM do either a rinse and vac cycle or a chemical (MoFi SuperWash or AVIS #6 or more intense kit depending on the record), rinse and vac first, then a run through the Kirmuss machine if needed. (In my experience, some records get plenty good just from a MoFi or AVIS treatment alone, especially new records or used Classical records are almost a sure bet). Why do I suggest this? Well, first of all, it makes less work for the Kirmuss machine in the sense that you are not wasting surfactant, but more importantly is that the Kirmuss machine, like most others, does not have a filter system, so if you run a very dirty record through it and then go to run another, you run the risk of the previous debris (especially from new records) becoming projectiles launched at your record. (In cavitation those little bits of PVC, some of which may be microscopic, from the edges of new records or what have you will end up floating around and can do damage). That is why my hard and fast rule is never to put a very dirty record into an ultrasonic bath. Another reason is that the idea is to have the ultrasonic bath get deep into the grooves from the get go, so by first putting a new or unrinsed record in the USRCM you are just getting the first layers and would need to run the record through at least twice. On top of that, you would have to change the water after each record that way because it would get too dirty quickly. That is a waste of surfactant as well. By at least rinsing the record first initially, you could then run something like 20 records through the Kirmuss machine before needing to change the water. By the way, the point of the surfactant is to get the water attracted to the surface of the record, without it the water will just bead right off, but the other important point is to change the atomic or molecular charge of the record to the opposite of the distilled water so that it (and the bubbles or plasma/energy waves) does get onto the whole surface and in the grooves. A record is a similar positive charge as the water in this case, so like magnets of similar polarity, they repel instead of attract. By changing the charge of the object to be cleaned (a record in this case) with a surfactant, the water or cavitation bubbles if you prefer are attracted to the record. Surfactants come in different varieties and the type depends on what you are trying to do. In this case, you want to attract the water and bubbles to clean the object, so an ether-based surfactant is desired. Alcohol is an ether and can work to a point to change the molecular charge of the record, but the problem is that it evaporates too fast to be effective enough. A polypropylene (many types of those as well), which is formulated as an ether-based surfactant has a longer shelf life so to speak. It takes about 2 minutes to evaporate and is structured in a way that is a better surfactant choice in this case. We are not trying to change the molecular charge of the water, which is a herculean task, it is easier to do so with the object to be cleaned. Part of why I personally, would not use Fotoflo is that it is actually the opposite of what we want. I used to be a darkroom photographer. Foto-flo is the last step in print development. It is used to stop the fixer bath, prevent water spots, stains and excessive soaking or impregnation with fluid of the photo paper. Without it, the prints would get too much fixer, which will destroy them by crystallization and the photos would not dry quickly and be a mess to handle, not to mention have a very short shelf life. It's like a wax or sealant on your car to protect the paint for one analogy. Microfiber towel drying won’t build up static if done correctly. Like vacuum drying it doesn’t require much. In the method I do, I start with a dry microfiber towel and wipe going with the grooves, it usually takes the equivalent of two revolutions on a vacuum machine before it is “dry enough” to be gone over once with the velvet peristatic brush, which makes sure the grooves are completely dry. (About 10 seconds later the record is bone dry and ready to be sleeved, no static charge in my experience). In my experience, the towel automatically gets damp enough the second it touches the record, no need to pre-dampen. It gets to the point that I have to get a fresh dry towel about every 5 or 6 records or so. Yes, overdoing it will build static just like overdoing vacuum drying (anything beyond two revolutions on a VPI 16.5, which is plenty, will increase the chance of building static exponentially in my experience). As always, your mileage may vary. This may save a step or a little time for you, not sure.
@hippydjkit99133 жыл бұрын
Fantastic.......thank you very much for your honest and informative video.......definitely something a vinyl collector needs.....i ll try to see whats the situation here in Greece or do i have to order it from abroad in case i decide to pull the trigger as you say......happy holidays.......
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Happy holidays to you as well! I can't recommend this process enough and I think the demo speaks for itself. If you can't find it in Greece, I would hope you could find some similar solutions that are just as good. The DYI method should work just as well if you ask me.
@finitesound3 жыл бұрын
PVC is compatible with alcohol, yes, however records are only one part pvc. Usually they contain up to a dozen other ingredients.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Yes. There is filler material added to change the properties. How much of that is actually affected by the alcohol might be debatable.
@junkyardvinyl48113 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. My biggest issue with the Kirmuss and the other high end machines has been the rotational speeds. The white papers put out by various USA manufactures recommend a minimum of 3 - 5 minutes of cleaning time. A third of the record surface is submerged at any one time. Therefore the minimum rotation should be from 9 - 15 minutes. The Kirmuss and others are far faster and do not allow the FULL effectiveness of the US cleaner. My second issue is the frequency used. I believe the Kirmuss and others have used the 40 KHZ transducers. While OK the micron size of the bubbles are little large compared to using 60 KHZ which get deeper into the groove before imploding. Conversely the 120 KHZ is fine for new previously maintained records but on records such as you showed the 120 KHZ is not effective at all. A comparison is a 20 KHZ is like using a steel bristle brush whereas 120 KHZ is like using a fine sable hair brush. I totally agree that having other RCM is needed as a US cleaner is not going clean really disgusting dirty records.
@junkyardvinyl48113 жыл бұрын
Here is a 8 year long discussion on a DIY. Lots of great info. www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/218276-version-ultrasonic-record-cleaner.html
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. I do agree that the higher the frequency the better but yes, there are limitations to where you lose the useful benefit of it all. Thanks for the link. I'll be sure to check it out.
@Fluterra2 жыл бұрын
Why never to use alcohol to clean a record (cont’d). You will not notice anything amiss until later… The risk, or reaction, can be perceived to come from the additives which are in the PVC. These plasticizers, stabilizers and extenders help to give the vinyl some flexibility, and are bonded into the solid material. Small reactions of these elements of the record to alcohol are what can affect the integrity of the disc, and the risk of an adverse effect on their bonding to the surface and base of the PVC is what makes alcohol a less than desirable cleaning solution for vinyl records.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Do you know of any vinyl that doesn't have any plasticizers or stabilizers? Gimme me a break. I've even had someone from Dow chemical debunk this myth. If you don't want to use alcohol...then don't.
@flemmingovesen10942 жыл бұрын
Hi. Great review of the Kirmuss ultra sonic cleaner !! Very informative, I have a question though. After cleaning with the kirmuss, how many times - roughly, do you play the record, before cleaning it again ?
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Oh geez...I am a terrible one to ask on that point. There's only a few records I have returned to clean but usually my rule of thumb is when I start to hear an increase in clicks and pops, then I reclean the records. I am okay with a click or pop hear or there because sometimes it's the vinyl itself that's the problem but for the most part after a good clean, most of my records are tick and pop free. I do know people that are extremely anal and clean their records before every play. While I can be anal, I am not that anal.
@flemmingovesen10942 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Good to know, then there will be more listening time 😀
@mymixture9653 жыл бұрын
Great, great review, thank you.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting Wolfgang!
@ChrisPropfeMusicallyObsessed3 жыл бұрын
Great review. I use the Nitty Gritty RCM.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris for watching. The one good thing about the Nitty Gritty's is the vacuum benefits from being below and taking advantage of gravity. I have always liked them for that reason.
@ackamack1012 жыл бұрын
Loved this review and I am planning on getting this Kirmuss machine for my records. So are you using the vacuum as a drying process once you have done the ultrasonic cleaner? That sounds like a way to cover just about all of your bases for sure. Thanks for the video!
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, regardless of the ultrasonic machine, not all of the removed particulate immediately settles to the bottom of the tank. Some may actually end up back on the records surface. I use the vacuum to do a distilled water rinse for a final cleaning step. The key to vacuuming is not to over vacuum as it will just end up inducing static on the surface. I will vacuum for one or two revolutions and let the remaining fine water droplets to evaporate in short air dry process. Doing this, depending on the quality of the record pressing and condition, will leave the surface 97 to 100% free of any clicks or pops. My process might be a bit too extensive for many but I have found it to work for me. Hope this helps.
@ackamack1012 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub That’s a great idea. Thank you for letting me know your process! 👍
@varsityathlete99272 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub what you are doing, is what i will eventually do. i have the kirmuss right now, and in a few months get the vacuum.
@XjunkieNL3 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul. Cool to see you have gone the route of ultrasonic record cleaning. There is no way back. I have never heard a fifties record so clean :) Seems we are both lazy, or a bit too busy, to build one ourselves ;) Do you see any change in dirt removal with one or two records in the unit? Cheers. /Paul
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Paul. Good question but I haven't seen any real difference doing two records or one record at a time. I know the internet forums are filled with debates on the number of records you can do and the spacing but I didn't want to wade into that territory here. While I didn't go over my whole process here, once my records are done in the Kirmuss, they go right on my VPI for a dual distilled water rinse/vacuuming. As you can see from the demo, without the active filtering, some debris can land right back on the LPs surface after the process stops. This means without the active filtration, the rinsing becomes a little more critical. You're right about getting records the cleanest they have ever been. My VPI could not remove as much debris as the ultrasonic could.
@popsandclicks3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Paul, excellent video on how ultrasonic cleans your record. I have been looking for a solution to clean new records and the dollar bin once. Been looking at many different brands like Okki Nokki, Loricraft, etc. Also been into the Degritter (easy one) and Audio desk, but they are pretty pricy, even if I believe it will be worth every dollar in the end. But I don't want to buy serval machines, one is enough. I will check this up and see if it's possible to get in Europe.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
If you can afford the Degritter, that's the one I would shoot for. Yes, they are pricey but it's always nice to have a one shot solution. There is a comment here from someone in the thread with a much cheaper solution (~$300) with a Kickstarter campaign. They met their funding goal. I do like the Kirmuss and it should do well if you can get it in Europe. The down side is that you won't get the automatic drying and will have to do that independently.
@tomkeegan81753 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video Paul. What is the record cleaning brand/model that you use to vacuum dry your records. Thanks again. Have a great holiday season.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
So the Vacuum machine is the VPI MW-1. Would I recommend it to others...no. I think the Okki Nokki (if you can find it) and the Pro-Ject VC-S2 are better options for the money. The MW-1 overheats and will automatically stop working after cleaning 20 records in one sitting. You have to let it cool down. VPI put an undersized motor in it IMO and they could have done better. That said, it does great but I think it's overpriced for what it is. The reason why I bought it is because the Okki Nokki stopped production at the time of my purchase and the Pro-Ject wasn't on the market. This was the first VPI priced at $1000 that could vacuum forwards and backwards. The 16.5 model, which is cheaper, can only vacuum in one direction and is housed in fiber board. Fiber board and water are not a good combo ;)
@tomkeegan81753 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Thanks. I have the Kirmuss and it is capable of restoring records that are in pretty bad condition. It takes some patience and a bit of elbow grease, but it's a terrific system. Its only weakness is drying which requires either a towel or drip-dry, neither of which is optimal. I'd even take a DIY solution with a shop vac, a hand-held PVC pipe wand and something sqweegee-like (what Michael Fremer calls "magic lips") embedded lengthwise into the wand. Thanks again from all of us vinyl folks.
@williambichara83643 жыл бұрын
Hello Paul. I wrote this morning a comment on the four corners video from this morning, then Michael from Germany suggested I write to you on your channel. I am very interested in knowing more about the topic you went over briefly, stylus set ups and loud pops.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Sure. I am happy to help. Not all stylus or needles are designed the same and all have a different amount of surface area that touches the grooves of the record. The Shibata, on the 2M Black touches lot more of the surface so it's also more sensitive to debris. The best write up on stylus geometry that I have seen has come from Peter Ledermann who owns and runs Soundsmith. www.sound-smith.com/articles/stylus-shape-information Hope this helps.
@williambichara83643 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub thank you so much, will read it and see how it goes. Thank you again.
@fohentertainment3 жыл бұрын
Great review and video Paul! Thank you! 🙏🏻 I just have one question that someone may have asked already but I just wanted to know how loud is the unit in operation? Would it have to be used in a separate room as per loudness or is it fairly quiet? Thanks again!
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely loud enough to bother someone in the same room for sure. It's not as loud as my VPI vacuum cleaner but it's up there. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@DCitySteve2 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in your review of the $500 HumminGuru machine. I only do a very few records at a time, so the multi-record factor of the Kirmuss isn’t persuasive. I also like, from video demonstrations, the smaller form factor and general quiet operation - I am in an apartment. Also, a related question, do you do vacuuming after or before the US treatment? Thanks for your candid comments. They help. The K machine is just too big for me.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
The Humminguru is definitely the product of the year for me. While I don't own one, I do think having something more at that level will get more people into it. This shouldn't be made so expensive. As for the vacuuming, I do it afterwards. Why, you might ask? When you ultrasonic, not everything ends back up at the bottom of the tank. Some particulate that's removed can float back on the vinyl surface so a distilled water rinse on the vacuum machine, to me, ensures everything is removed. I hope that helps explain my thought process.
@leon90213 жыл бұрын
Welcome back Paul! Nice review, I considered the unit before but didnt like their marketing or spokesperson, very sketchy stuff. Anyway Im sure it works about as well as any US cleaner. Theres a new US coming to market soon by the way. The HumminGuru at 350$ seems like a great thing for the community. As long as it holds decently I can see myself using it with my Vacuum machine. Youre mostly right regarding alcohol by the way. There are tests showing some effects but it seems those small margins have been taken as severe. Heres an example: forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/test-to-determine-isopropyl-alcohol-attack-on-lp-vinyl.153157/
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
I have to laugh because I agree with your comment totally! In the videos he did with Michael Fremer and the 'fear' type advertising, rubbed me the wrong way. I still don't buy into the fungus growth but there are people who swear buy it now. Thanks for the link to the Hoffman forums and I'll be taking a look at it. Michigan Record Club, who was a chemist for Dow, also agreed with me that it was a myth. My thing is that the alcohol is so diluted and doesn't remain on the record long enough to even have an impact. There could be some additives that react to it but I've been using alcohol for a decade now without any adverse effects. God Jul my friend! I think your in Sweden, right?
@leon90213 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Yes indeed, and some very line skirting practices like claiming they have photos showing how effective the unit is when its actually a competitors photo. Another thing to consider is that there have been quite a few record compounds over the decades and we are never really sure what these contain, so who knows how different records may or may not react. God Jul to you too! Its getting cold here in Sweden so its time to start preparing the anti static measures ;^)
@goboslament55353 жыл бұрын
Hey Leon. I've seen your comments on various sites for years now. You always make sense and I usually relate to what you have to say. Just wanted to let you know I appreciate that. I had the same turn-offs about Kirmuss and his system. Like you said, I know it probably does a great job but I couldn't bring myself to get one. If only he had just kept his mouth shut I would probably be a customer. Glad to see I'm not alone. I'm also looking forward to the HumninGuru. Seems like a pretty sweet deal.
@leon90213 жыл бұрын
@@goboslament5535 I appreciate the kind words, cheers!
@irawong Жыл бұрын
Hi, Paul. So, one year after this video was made (and having lived with this system for two years), does the Kirmuss Record Cleaning System still get the highest recommendation from you? Also, do you always use the Kirmuss surfactant or have you experimented with other alternatives?
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
Hello Ira. I still recommend the system. I have cleaned over a thousand records on it over two years and it's still running like a champ. I have no qualms with it at all. As for the surfactant, I still haven't bothered to use it. Personally, I find if I do an Ultrasonic clean, followed by a distilled water rinse with a light vacuuming, and air dry, 95% of my records have been tick and pop free.
@irawong Жыл бұрын
I already own a DIY unit utilizing the Vinyl Stack system with a generic Chinese-made ultrasonic tank, along with a Humminguru (that I just use for a quick clean), and a Pro-Ject vacuum unit. I’m wondering if the Kirmuss unit would really take my cleaning regimen to a whole new level and truly “restore” my record collection.
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
I haven't used his anti-fungal stuff at all and personally, I think if the Vinyl Stack is working for you, I am not sure I would change anything. The Kirmuss would just save you a little bit of time for destacking the records.
@wesleyyeh7763 Жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, I saw other videos where they add a few drops of photo-flo 200 along with the 99% isopropyl alcohol instead of the 70%. Just wondering if you have tried this solution instead of the one you described in this video. If so, which one do you think cleans better. Thanks!
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
I haven't tried that particular mixture at all. It might clean a little better but I would have to experiment with it a bit. I do think you will get to the point of diminishing returns after a certain point.
@mikemcguinness13043 жыл бұрын
Nice Vid dude
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mike! I am glad you liked it.
@israelsneumanplc80882 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video! What kind of vacuum are you pairing this with? I am looking at a Kirmuss, but buying a vacuum is another piece of gear, which requires more room. Could the vacuum be avoided by buying Degritter or an Audiodesk or do you think those units would also require a vacuum? FYI - ListenUp in Denver has the Kirmuss on sale for $850 right now. Another question: does this unit ever cause the label to get wet?
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great questions Israels & Neuman. So to answer your last question, no matter what machine you buy it's going to be almost impossible to avoid getting the occasional label wet. Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it to much as they quickly dry and it's almost impossible to notice that the label was wet. There are some exceptions though. I have some records which were made in the former Eastern Block (i.e. Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.) that used cheap dies in their labels and it cause the die to run. Now for the vacuum, most people don't bother. They go one way or the other with the cleaning but I do both. The reason why I do both is because the particulate that's removed from the ultrasonic doesn't immediately settle back at the bottom of the tank. I use the vacuuming machine to do a distilled water rinse, removing any remaining particulate and I let the remaining, fine water droplets, air dry after a rev or two of vacuuming. This process usually gives me an LP that's 97 to 100% click and pop free if it's a well pressed record. Just doing the ultrasonic alone is going to get rid of the vast majority of residue that's collected on the surface though. The AudioDeske and Degritter just have a few more bells and whistles by blow drying the record after the ultrasonic bath. If I had to chose between the two, I would go with the Degritter. The AudioDeske has proprietary fluid and rollers which can be an expensive proposition if you buy a lot of records. If you add the vacuuming machine, I think I would go for the Pro-Ject VC-S2 ALU. I am using a VPI MW-1 which is way overpriced for what it is. I honestly think the Pro-Ject is better designed and half the price. Hope this helps.
@israelsneumanplc80882 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Thanks!
@wildstar41 Жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub I do the same system. I traded up from the Pro-Ject machine to the VPI. The motor in the Pro-Ject is louder, and I felt the VPI had better suction power and was actually quieter. The Project looks nicer, but all of these machines look pretty bad sitting around your house except maybe the degritter. I sometimes think of selling Kirmuss and VPI to fund a degritter, but I can't seem to care about record cleaning enough to make the time to do it LOL. Most days I brush the dust into a line on the record with a basic CF brush and roll it off w/ a record roller. It is shocking how much dust records have, but the surface dust brushes off easily on clean records.
@VolkerHenninger Жыл бұрын
It’s been a year since you did this review. Can you give us an update? What you like. What you don’t like. Thanks!
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
After having cleaned over a thousand records, this is still running like a champ and really no signs of wear at all. I do recommend this machine if you're looking for something in between a total Do It Yourself (DIY) unit and a full up machine on the order of a Degritter. I would avoid the Humminguru as I've heard those don't last long. As cheap as it is, I have heard them falling apart between 100 to 200 records.
@dsonyay2 жыл бұрын
Ws hoping to hear a before and after for the sound test.. i man yeah it sounded great, but was it really bad before?
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Ah. Your question is fair but honestly, it was terrible. We're talking a click and pop every 5 to 10 seconds without the cleaning.
@chrisbarnhart79443 жыл бұрын
why does 12:05 sound more clear and crisp than at 12:35? was that a before and after cleaning demo? if so , 12:05 sounded better to me, 12:35 lost some high frequency sparkle.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Hello Chris. This wasn't really a before/after demo at all. This is just showing that the clicks/pops were all eliminated through the course of the cleaning. The source material is variable and that's due to how it was recorded. Unfortunately, longer sound samples are likely to get flagged with a copyright strike and I didn't want this video taken down. It would have been fun to use a well known audiophile record. If I ever do a demo like this again, I will consider doing a before and after demo.
@ericdutt35822 жыл бұрын
Cool that you get such great results! Do you know the frequency of the Kirmuss? Just so I understood correctly. You have water (distilled - de-ionised) + IPA + ultrasonic. Then you rinse in water (distilled- de-ionised) and air dry?
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
Correct on the process but unfortunately, I don't think I can give you an answer on the frequency. I read somewhere it's the same as the Audio Deske but I can't remember where I read that.
@ericdutt35822 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Cheers. What drying rack are you using? I like that design.
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
I am just using a letter filer that I found at the Office Depot. One of the best $5 I ever spent! Plus, the metal only touches the labels and not the vinyl...if you're careful.
@ericdutt35822 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub Oh great, thanks for the tip. You might consider dipping the parts that touch the labels in that Plasti-dip... the stuff used for tool handles and things. Thanks for your help and advice!
@nskiad Жыл бұрын
I have this machine and haven’t started using it yet. I also have an vacuum cleaning machine , I noticed you mentioned you use both machines, at what stage do you use the vacuum cleaner? I was thinking the records need a good rinse after it runs through the kirmuss? Thanks
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
My logic is that I use the vacuum cleaner after the Ultrasonic. A lot of the particles can float back on the LP surface after the cleaning so I vacuum rinse with distilled water afterwards. I let it go a rev or two only and let the rest air dry. Over vacuuming, like VPI will sometimes recommend, just introduces more static if the LP surface gets too dry.
@nskiad Жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub ok this is what I was thinking was needed, also to clean out any left over surfactant? I usually leave 2 revs, and then use the anti stat gun before putting a record on the table.
@timwildes8082 Жыл бұрын
Any thoughts or ideas for a attachment piece to use on a small shop vac for sucking/drying the album? I'm sure there's a small head I could line with felt or another soft non scratching material but you seem to know your stuff so I'm asking you. Thanks and Merry Christmas.
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
A shop vac should work fine but with vacuuming, my only warning is not to over do it. With my VPI, I've noticed that if I over vacuum, I just induce static back on the surface. You get to the point where your surface becomes too dry and you just generate friction which just deposits electrons on the vinyl surface. For vacuuming, I usually do one, maybe two, revolutions at most and leave it on a rack for five minutes for a final dry. Thanks for watching and commenting Tim. Merry Christmas.
@Primeanaloggourmet2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that Bunny is a bit demented looking and already Im going to have nightmares🤣
@BarakaPDub2 жыл бұрын
I heard the new models don't have it. I think he got wise as no vinyl collector wants something that's cutesie.
@welshjs Жыл бұрын
I bought the Kirmuss and find it’s working well. I was wondering about adding a flocculant to the bath to help the particulates sink to the bottom. Anyone try that?
@BarakaPDub Жыл бұрын
Interesting thought. Have you tried it? I would be curious to know the results.
@teddyrasputin38503 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another excellent vid though I think it should've come with a warning. "There may be side effects." I now watch with horror as my pristine, dead quite and shiny black disks are quickly bombarded with Volkswagon sized chunks of debris as they spin on the platter. I swear I can see these chunks course correct, changing direction to crash into my records. Something I never noticed before ultrasonic cleaning with my older less effective process. Back then I called it dust and shrugged. Trade offs.
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Teddy Rasputin. Yeah, if there is a downside to the units that don't have active filtration, when the process stops, you could just end up with some debris back on the platter. While I didn't get into in this video, I do a double rinse with distilled water on my VPI. The important part of the ultrasonic is dislodging/loosing all of the imbedded debris.
@enricotesei37183 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, 8 liters are a lot for 20 LPs, are you filtering the water afterwards and reuse it? What about using the ultrasonic first and then washing/drying it with the vacuum? Drying like you showed looks like leaving the durty water on the lp or did I miss sth?
@BarakaPDub3 жыл бұрын
So you're right about the water usage and I could filter it out but I get the distilled water cheaply. Long term though, I am thinking about filtering. A DYI solution is pretty easy to do. On the drying...so my process is, once I have pulled them out of the Ultrasonic, they end up on the VPI for a dual rinse on each side, and then on the drying rack for a final dry of any fine mist that remains. The key is not to over vacuum. Since doing this, it's a very, very rare event to hear a pop or a click. Hope that explains my process a bit and I didn't want to get into it in this video.
@enricotesei37183 жыл бұрын
@@BarakaPDub thanks for the clear explanation, this is what I meant, over vacuum is an issue and I do it like you, having a final drying just putting the vinyl on a rack, because on some areas of a vinyl, and every vinyl is different, a little film of water remains,