Escaping Mount Vs Punching Opponent

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9 ай бұрын

Being mounted sucks...especially if punches are involved. I get tons of questions and comments about how much escaping mount changes when the guy can punch you, so hopefully this video addresses that.
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@fighttips 9 ай бұрын

I don’t know you guys… I think I trust the random commenters more than a couple of professionals who have study this stuff for 2 lifetimes. Groin strikes >

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

That’s an excellent point. I trust comments more than I trust myself as well. 😂🙌 Love you Shane.

@Helltown66 9 ай бұрын

Where can I get the gloves That hard to hurt got from you?

@robertlutumba 9 ай бұрын

@@Helltown66@fighttips

@robertlutumba 9 ай бұрын

Same here 😂

@moronnucleosus3339 9 ай бұрын

@@KnightJiuJitsu Well to be fair, no one in the comments told me to punch my own junk in self defense. I tried it, it hurts. Not sure how it's suppose to help. Is it to build some kind of immunity or something? Im confused.

@Howsoonisnow2009 9 ай бұрын

Mike’s face when Eli says “he’s significantly way shorter than I am” 💀💀💀 Great video thank you KJJ

@user-fy9mj5nm7i 9 ай бұрын

Being humbled is the foundation of learning how to fight, and when you run.

@Maodifi 9 ай бұрын

Occasionally rolling with punches has been one of the most informative experiences in my BJJ training thus far.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

It’s always educational and enlightening.

@tjl4688 9 ай бұрын

It’s how BJJ was SUPPOSED to be trained. The rest of the world decided to embrace their silly grappling sport instead of training to actually fight.

@Andrew-cs1td 9 ай бұрын

If you aren't rolling with gloves at least once a week, you aren't really training self defense. Most of the idiots that would try to fight us are going to try and strike. And if someone starts using Jiu Jitsu on you, you should probably just compliment their technique and become friends ;-)

@Maodifi 9 ай бұрын

@@Andrew-cs1td Yeah I definitely wish I could do it more often.

@whoknows8223 9 ай бұрын

@@tjl4688thats like full contact karate, but don't lowkick me its not allowed!

@toma3447 9 ай бұрын

The reality is if you end up in a bad position on the ground you are going to take some shots. Expect to take a few good ones before escaping.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

True facts

@nated2922 9 ай бұрын

Eli is always breaking things down into the simplest form. Always appreciated, my friend. Good to see you doing well.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate, my friend!

@dylan_krishna_777 9 ай бұрын

He is one of the best BJJ content maker on youtube! 🙏

@LukeC908 9 ай бұрын

“Why were you late for work?” “I was busy punching my own junk.”

@gw1357 9 ай бұрын

Speaking as a striker who dabbles only a little in jiu jitsu, this is 110% my favorite grappling channel on youtube. Phenomenal instruction -- clearly explained and the perfect level of detail. Great stuff. (I've said this on your channel a few times before.)

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate it so much. Truly.

@danielmontilla1197 9 ай бұрын

I tried to punch myself in the nuts, as per instructed. I rolled off screeching in pain from my imaginary victim, he then got up and proceeded to strike a horse stance followed by a loud KIAAAI shout. I was utterly for-da-streetz'ed.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Interesting results

@l28pm3 9 ай бұрын

Now do it again to prove the results are repeatable. For science.

@KittSpiken 9 ай бұрын

The ER doc said there's good odds I'll be sterile, but what does he know?

@ggPescesgg 9 ай бұрын

3:50 the pained look into the camera is what got me

@RicoMnc 9 ай бұрын

Sounds like most of the "BJJ won't work if you're getting punched" comments are from people who have never drilled grappling while being punched.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

100% accurate. I find that like 95% of people who comment to criticize jiu-jitsu videos are people who don’t train anything…at least anything of substance.

@RicoMnc 9 ай бұрын

@@KnightJiuJitsu My experience (training FTF and BJJ) has been someone trying to punch me while I'm under their mount or they are in my guard are relatively unstable and easier to deal with than when they are just grappling.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

@RicoMnc - I would totally agree. It’s honestly not even arguable that someone striking is inherently less stable than someone strictly trying to control and maintain their position.

@Kwisatz-Chaderach 9 ай бұрын

@@KnightJiuJitsuI criticize Jiu-jitsu from a place of love. I train Judo and think we should get the band back together. ❤️

@psuedomonas1 9 ай бұрын

Mike said something about getting punch

@dimitrioskontsiotis2267 9 ай бұрын

This is not the only reason, but the biggest reason why I do jiu-jitsu is because it's really good for self defense. This video is a testament to that.

@CheetahD69420 Ай бұрын

1:00 this is the most perfect explanation of general mma combat training.

@dynamic75 9 ай бұрын

Good demo and explanation. I appreciate that you're promoting a continuum between different aspects of BJJ as they are related to self-defense (competition, gi, no-gi etc.). Thank you.

@shanejordan6020 9 ай бұрын

"hopefully not right of the bat, so I can at least talk", He knows Mike so well 🤣

@shanejordan6020 9 ай бұрын

Oh and glad to see you two collaborating. Love the content from both of you.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Not my first rodeo with Mike 😂

@BMO_Creative 9 ай бұрын

Mike is a gentleman! Looked like Mike was being so nice... no shoulder or elbow slams... just punches... lol...

@stanshatter3875 9 ай бұрын

Im confident that this will work for me after learning it 100 times VS being ignorant and criticizing professionals that know what they're doing.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Love this comment for so many reasons

@sepulcherofambience 9 ай бұрын

Prof. Knight and Icy Mike, you guys just confirmed what I've been saying for a long time. Fundamental, basic Jiu Jitsu wins fights. That's why a strong foundation in the basics is so crucial no matter what level you are. As a very mediocre brown belt, I still go to at least one fundamental skills class a week. The last "fight" I was in was won with nothing fancy - just the basics. Sprawl, mount, pressure, gift wrap to get the guy face down and done.

@aikighost 9 ай бұрын

What no berimbolo? 🤣

@user-fy9mj5nm7i 9 ай бұрын

No disrespect. I have the upmost respect for this, but, most street fights aren't 1v1, and, I mean that without trying to insult anyone's intelligence. Ground fighting can result in very bad situations if you're by yourself or outnumbered. Training in multiple scenarios is definitely the best way to go home alive.

@Jedi_Jed 9 ай бұрын

Yes like keeping your footwork sharp for striking I suppose.

@sepulcherofambience 8 ай бұрын

@@user-fy9mj5nm7i None taken. I left out a lot of details. There were three of us trying to control three people and a crowd. You'll notice that 'fight' was in quotes. This was on the job where I'm not really allowed to use anything excessive, but I didn't have to either. Each encounter is unique, but a solid foundation will get you a long ways in an encounter instead of just relying on "seeing red, bro".

@user-fy9mj5nm7i 8 ай бұрын

@@sepulcherofambience agreed, homie.

@twinkiebeyond 9 ай бұрын

Joke’s on you. I punch my own junk so often that I don’t even feel it anymore!

@zacharywong483 9 ай бұрын

Really great points and explanations here, Eli!

@JaxenChaz 9 ай бұрын

I was just thinking about this the other day! Great vid!

@jamielondon6436 9 ай бұрын

Lots of very solid self-defence advice!

@FudomyoGP 9 ай бұрын

Merci Eli. C'est vraiment dommage que beaucoup de clubs de JJB oublient la Self-Defense.

@sleze 9 ай бұрын

Very good breakdown. Thanks for making this clear and understandable.

@l.k.9666 9 ай бұрын

Eli! Glad to see you working with other martial arts KZfaqrs (at least ones I know). If you're open, I think a video with you and JordanTeachesJiuJitsu would be fantastic. Always like the way you both demonstrate and teach things.

@mickskinner3493 4 ай бұрын

Very well explained (about students asking about only training in a sports gym) without putting down anyone else or where they train. Respect

@MarcinG1978 9 ай бұрын

First class breakdown. Brilliant. Thanks so much.

@VTPSTTU 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I appreciate a balanced approach to things.

@deektheviking4747 9 ай бұрын

So I did as I was asked. Now my wrist is broken and my junk is angry. Thanks bud.

@eekay3646 9 ай бұрын

The best escape I ever saw was when Enson Inoue was atop Frank Shamrock full mount and punching him, and Frank got out of it. Frank was a master escape artist, submission expert, just bad ass during his prime.

@silverfox8801 9 ай бұрын

The most complete fighter at the time 👍

@Twobarpsi 9 ай бұрын

This is a really good video!!✊🥋

@MrUglyDave 9 ай бұрын

So well argued, explained and demonstrated. Thank you sir

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Thank you too!

@RickC-rs7ny 9 ай бұрын

this is good, had ur video suggested, make more self defense jiujitsu

@Mbeck250 8 ай бұрын

Good stuff dudes.

@BachelorOfMartialArts 4 ай бұрын

Loving the fight tips gloves Mike 🤙🏻🤙🏻

@marcelklein3879 5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for teaching from a self defense perspective. It's very valuable for me because I'm not training for sport competition. I subscribed to your channel. Thanks for the tips. I'll buy some mma gloves and me and my buddy will test everything out.

@locklearlumbee83 8 ай бұрын

We worked this tonight in class. It was loads of fun.

@richardrussell5807 9 ай бұрын

Great video, most informative

@bolsack8902 8 ай бұрын

“Punch though his own head” Mike “bet”

@ethansullivan9181 9 ай бұрын

I just punched my own junk as hard as I could. Very helpful instructional, thank you.

@RadicalTrivia 9 ай бұрын

I fully agree with the first thing Eli said about keeping it all the same. I want all my reactions to apply to defending myself. Hey Eli, I'd love to have you on my show! Icy Mike was on already, we should nerd out sometime 😄

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Shoot me a message with the details. I’m down.

@FlyingGreenTea 9 ай бұрын

Love Icy Mike for wearing Fighttips gloves by Shane Fazen, and as always, great video ElI! Thank you!

@eyeswideopenareyours6952 9 ай бұрын

Thanks coach 😮😮😮

@danielmontilla1197 9 ай бұрын

5:09 this is crucial. So many people just go "hur hur Gi useless coz no grips in real life". Like, dude, what are the odds of you having to defend yourself against a random werido in spandex and a Tapout rashguard, then? The majority of people live their lives in clothing, and grabbing fabric is as ubiquitous in street fights as it is important to comprehend.

@dragonballjiujitsu 9 ай бұрын

I wish more people understood this.

@killersalmon4359 9 ай бұрын

Attacks typically also happen at night, which is when it's cooler, which means they'll more likely be wearing jackets, etc.

@projectdren806 9 ай бұрын

In fact, I'd love to be able to train against someone in a loose fitted shirt or hoodie. Loop chokes for fucking DAYS!

@User-54631 9 ай бұрын

It gets over 100 degree in the summer where I live. Not may people wearing hoodies, dinner jackets and/or heavy pants even at night.

@danielmontilla1197 9 ай бұрын

@@kris3451 Well said!

@User-54631 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video

@chanbru 9 ай бұрын

Great video again, prof. Eli. I leaned a few new things again. I would like to request you to make a video about “defending a flying armbar.” Many videos out there about how to do it. But not one that teaches how to defend it. Thanks

@johndrake5467 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for posting this. I found this video because I was specifically looking for how to shrimp escape with punches. I already knew you could bridge escape the way shown in this video. But the way I was taught the shrimp escape the person in Mount was postured up. I've also seen that in a lot of videos online. In fact coach Ramsey Dewey has a video where he's training a female fighter and she's doing the shrimp escape and he's slowly punching her. And I thought to myself that it wouldn't work in a real fight. Usually Ramsey's stuff is spot on but I think that one video is sus.

@lukehudson9684 9 ай бұрын

Nice Fight Tips gloves!!!

@-e6195 9 ай бұрын

the confusion in his face everytime he says self defensify xD

@jr487 9 ай бұрын

Hit yourself in the junk as hard as you can he says. Ouch😖

@Brandon68plus1 4 ай бұрын

Great stuff. Seems like most street fights end with a larger person on top of a smaller with smaller person eating punches.

@enelbombo 9 ай бұрын

Excellent!

@HJRC_ 9 ай бұрын

Great breakdown of the cowgirl position

@justacontrarian 9 ай бұрын

Good stuff

@tommygunn3210 9 ай бұрын

Good point! This is for mma.

@Guardian179 9 ай бұрын

Any of the self defense dudes that tout groin strikes in this position, I'd love to see them do even a single live session where that's allowed. It's always talked about as a theory, and never tried on the mat. A good, solid groin kick right up the middle might be a decent target when you're standing and can get the angle and power, but a crappy little rabbit punch or elbow while your on bottom in mount is not going to be effective. Completely agree.

@cq7415 9 ай бұрын

Very good.

@davepuxley7387 9 ай бұрын

"Punch your own junk, right now..." Classic advice from Hard2Hurt 🤣

@theocho 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. A big problem that I keep running into is that when I'm thinking about self-defense and grappling, I keep getting into fights with naked people. If they had clothes, the grips would be significantly easier. I'm just tired of all the naked people, though.

@Spacemonkeymojo 9 ай бұрын

This stuff is Gracie Combatives stuff. Sadly people bash Gracie CTCs and call them McDojos but this is the stuff you learn there.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

I have total respect for Gracie combative. Same lineage here.

@Spacemonkeymojo 9 ай бұрын

@@KnightJiuJitsu Wow, thanks for the reply and that’s good to hear!!And yeah, totally can see the lineage in your video. I wish more BJJ gyms would focus on self defense instead of just sport BJJ, seems the Gracie CTCs and maybe some other Gracie gyms (e.g. Gracie Humaita) are the main ones that focus on self defense.

@tjl4688 9 ай бұрын

@@SpacemonkeymojoYep, Eli is a Royce black belt, and Royce ran the Gracie Academy with Rorion until 2001, when Ryron and Rener took over.

@dukenukem8253 9 ай бұрын

Love Mike's expressions!

@realAKEEM 9 ай бұрын

Biting is a thing in streetfights! If not in striking distance, keep that in mind too pls. Either get his nose, depending on clothing, you can bite chest etc. Goes for both, attacking or defending tho :) I kinda miss this in this vid. Otherwise great content!

@kevinmcgann1372 9 ай бұрын

Excellent. So good, thank you for this.

@IronMongoose1 9 ай бұрын

You can't just verb a word like that.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

It’s only wrong if it doesn’t catch on.

@VinOptimaxxx 9 ай бұрын

Verbify

@danfg7215 9 ай бұрын

I like it, makes sense. There's martial arts, and self defense. You bridge the gap by self-defensifying.

@hyeguyswiss9393 9 ай бұрын

I started pissing blood, bro😮

@2002kirbow 9 ай бұрын

Excellent video. We use similar approach in Army Combatives (& various Special Operations combatives programs ), and it's foundational Jujitsu for sure! I don't get ANYONE who thinks that NOT knowing this would make them better equipped for dealing with a top person in a real fight..😅 Like, what is their brilliant alternative? "PinCh ThEm iN tHe D** k.."? 😮

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Sadly, I think there are actually people who think exactly like that. I appreciate your comment.

@Soraakids 9 ай бұрын

And what if we fight naked people but we are also naked ?

@MrKanti-yy5ux 9 ай бұрын

You should probably kiss.

@StealthDonkey007 9 ай бұрын

I punched my own junk and now have a severely bruised meat and potatoes. If it weren't for the steel cup that I always wear when watching an Icy Mike video things would have been a lot worse

@froggyluv 9 ай бұрын

Still at the Urologist emergency services...thanks Mike...!

@krynico8451 9 ай бұрын

Thank you Prof. Eli for this video...I actually got stuck at the bottom of a bigger strong opponient the other day in my school MMA class..I almost forgot my basic Jujitsu escapes because I was getting punch in the face...now i have a better idea without having to go through my mental catalog👍🏽

@danthoreson4062 9 ай бұрын

we worked on this last night

@anonymous20237 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for another great video, Eli (sp?)!

@KnightJiuJitsu 7 ай бұрын

Yep, that’s how you spell it. Eli Knight

@sscaustic 9 ай бұрын

i heard a good analogy one time about being in the middle , "it's like being a bridge , you'll get walked on by both sides" everything shown in this is basically Gracie combatives

@enoughofyourkoicarp 9 ай бұрын

Instructions unclear, mounted my own junk, don't want to escape. All those years of being told to go fuck myself I didn't know it was genuine advice.

@Kapauhawaii 9 ай бұрын

One hand behind the neck one arm over and around the tricep is the A choice I think, then when you latch on when they try to posture up, you can be heavy on the head, they’ll have to pull you up to get up you can flare your elbow if they wanna hit your ribs, then the detail that I think you could’ve added, is you really do a bridge and a hip thrust that posts their head up on the mat makes them have to put their hands down. I don’t generally try to pull anybody down I hip thrust place, both hands on the ribs, pushing them up above me, and then work from that position to grab an arm to roll over🤙🏽🏋🏻‍♀️🥋

@MisterJayEm 9 ай бұрын

IMPORTANT DATA: The first eight punches to my own junk didn't hurt so bad, but that ninth punch was a doozy. 4:40

@Jedi_Jed 9 ай бұрын

Opps you guys inadvertently explained all politics at the end there.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

We like to include life lessons when we can 😂

@BrandonScheich 9 ай бұрын

Love this duo, both so knowledgable

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@nurglematthew893 9 ай бұрын

Icy Mike Hype!

@jeffwagner1649 9 ай бұрын

Sorry I don't have the mental fortitude to hit my self in the junk.

@Darthzilla99 9 ай бұрын

Do you have one where someone is mounting your arms/shoulders to keep you from grappling while they punch your face? Back when I was doing a Mcdojo Karate as a kid who didn't know better, one of their self defense drills was someone puts knees on your arms while punching your face, you use one leg kick while planting the other one to push the attacker forward to loosen the knees, quickly move arms and push knees to free arms, and then snake wrap their left arm with your right arm and grab their shirt with hands while quickly rolling each other to the side to get out. I know that's stupid.

@user-ew5pv1bd9q 9 ай бұрын

After looking at some older king of the streets videos - another question is... how to escape guy who headbutts you from mount?

@Hh-yt6tn 9 ай бұрын

Bad news Mike i tried to punch my own groin and had to go to the doctor.

@ASPextra 9 ай бұрын

Hi Mike! Hi Eli! Hope you guys are well.

@adilbekramadan2038 9 ай бұрын

I am using that muvies 🖒👍👌

@ClaudiaMayer-hg2ty 2 ай бұрын

I think, instead of asking "Will I get hit?", to which the answer in a serious fight will always be a "Yes" the question should be "Will I get hit into vital parts and will I be able to continue fighting afterwards?" Getting punched is not neccessarily Game over, so don't fret too much about that.

@KnightJiuJitsu 2 ай бұрын

Well said!

@Scatare 9 ай бұрын

It makes sense, but everything works in a control. Would have liked to see this with some energy/resistance. Cheers.

@dylanmcfarling2033 9 ай бұрын

“It’d be like trying to punch your own junk” is the best description. Who’s telling you to try “pressure points?” I thought we got past that as a society, lmao

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

I wish we had, but every time I think we have advanced beyond pressure points and chi blasts, I see more videos of people seriously pushing that garbage. It’s sad.

@pedromedrano5110 9 ай бұрын

nice

@ClwnJuNkY 9 ай бұрын

Ive always taught my students with punches . Brilliant work !!

@hcamille6942 9 ай бұрын

What about headbutt ? Would it be a problem to stop ? It seems popular in street fighting.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

I’m sure it’s a concern, but not much from mount. It’s a super awkward angle for him to try to headbutt from mount. I’d be more concerned about that from him inside my guard honestly.

@hcamille6942 9 ай бұрын

@KnightJiuJitsu I would recommend you to watch some fights from the King of the street. This is where I witnessed people headbutting from mount.

@danfg7215 9 ай бұрын

I guess you can post your arms on their face/neck/chest to stop the headbutt? I'm just theorizing here

@whoknows8223 9 ай бұрын

The armlock looks viable 🤔thx

@3Darkblade3 8 ай бұрын

Are you familiar with the gracie combatives program through gracie university and if so what are your thoughts?

@KnightJiuJitsu 8 ай бұрын

Yes. I think highly of the Combatives program and I have a lot of respect for Rener and Ryron.

@Andrew-cs1td 9 ай бұрын

Gracie Jiu Jitsu Trap and roll class number 1 slice 3. These guys could learn a few things from this freely available lesson. An umpa (hip bridge) from the bottom will get the opponents hands on the floor even if they don't have clothing to grab. You should learn techniques that don't require specific clothing to work for self defense. If their arms post too far north, bear hug their body, lift your hips off the ground (this puts most of your weight on their back forcing their hands to stay on the floor) and move north until you can collapse the arm.

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

I’m a 3rd degree black belt in Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. I came up learning the same Jiu-Jitsu that Rener and Ryron did, although my lineage is via their uncle. I have the utmost respect for them. They are world class teachers. I say this, because when I see comments like this “advising” me to watch the Combatives or whatever else because of the similarity, there is a reason for those similarities. I’ve spent 30 years training and refining deliberate decisions in how I train and teach what I do.

@3Darkblade3 8 ай бұрын

I've been doing the online gracie university combative because there's no gyms within an hour drive. I had a friend put boxing gloves on the other day and we did a mock street fight and it ended up with me on top of him with my hooks in, hip pressure and had his arms locked up. I was nice and didn't throw in a submission but it was very eye opening for him. Thanks for the video.

@mattmgarza 4 ай бұрын

I could be wrong but I've always thought of the upa escape as a day one move...I can't seem to get this on any training partners and they don't get it on me. But I suppose someone throwing punches is setting themselves up to be upa'd, right?

@KnightJiuJitsu 4 ай бұрын

Upa is a good base disrupter. It can be an escape on its own, but generally not against people with much balance and body awareness. But it stays valuable as an off-balance that effectively sets the stage for combining escapes.

@masonsmonologues4241 4 ай бұрын

Thank you!@@KnightJiuJitsu

@DKY00 9 ай бұрын

7:32 he hit his head

@uncircumcisedcircus 9 ай бұрын

Well, what really changes is from the viewpoint that top and bottom position are neutral positions. This is what I believe "sport" jiu jitsu biggest weakness stems from.

@nasri 9 ай бұрын

Punched my own junk. Hurt my hand.

@Gege547 9 ай бұрын

How did you ended up on the ground? Did you lay down waiting for the opponent? Or did he punched you and you ended up on the ground with mild concussion and now you are disorienred? Or a guy 2 times your size pushed you down to rape you? Does your opponent hase a knife in his pocket waiting to lock yourself to him for an easy stabbing?

@KnightJiuJitsu 9 ай бұрын

None of these factors change the fact that, however you wind up in this position, you need to have ways to escape from it. If anything, these all just reinforce the urgent need to escape the mount.