It’s the military what do you expect, single room with private bathroom? The problem are those wierdos taking pictures. And the problem it’s not showing with other people but those being fucking wierd.

It's a common practice, I went to college and was in hospital were I had to share the shower with others. Usually It's not so big deal if people don't watch each other or making photos and videos.

@@ridita5221 That is what i meant

Naaah communal shower/bath in Asia is a common thing, the thing is the people who used that occasion to doing something bad was really disrespectful for anyone privacy, there's a story about celeb who got his picture leaked not in military communal bath as well, people just need to respect other privacy.

@@yokhawanha You misunderstood i know that it is a common thing not just in Asia

Yes, I agree with you Toki. Perpetrators should be punished and publicised so they get a taste of the shame they have put others under.

Totally

@@annebenitez2340 and us fans who follow them can be a big part of finding out if they are being treated right.

@Jumi Comfort I don't know where you're from, but for sure you aren't from Korea. You needs to study a little of the history of Korea to be able to judge. South Korea is currently in a suspended war with North Korea, North Korea constantly threatens them with nuclear bombs, the border is protected by American troops to prevent any attack. That is why korean citizens have to be militarily prepared to defend their country at any time. What South Korea has suffered throughout its history to be a free country we have not suffered, so wanting to tell them how to run their country is a bit daring.

@Jumi Comfort "young men being abused and sexually harassed in the military"I think you're exaggerating, in South Korea there is more respect, I think they look at them in the showers to make fun of them or make jokes. Anyway, it's wrong, but it's more like bullying and not sexual abuse.

I think making fun of someone naked in the shower male or female is abusive in a sexual manner, more than just bullying- it is acting on power while that person is exposed & vulnerable in every way - that’s abuse.

@@lafemmesue7273 I don't think it's sexual abuse because these guys are not sexually motivated. They just watch out of curiosity, out of envy or to annoy the idol. Well, but if there is someone who is homosexual, then perhaps that stalking could have a sexual motivation and could be called sexual abuse.

@@AliPop I think we’ll just have to disagree, we are quibbling over semantics now. I’m looking from the victims pov & you are looking from the perpetrators. If this happened to me (believe me no one would want to take such photos of me) I would feel abused in a sexual manner, it would affect me in all the same ways as if the camera operator was experiencing gratification. By what was described it sounds as if the photos would most likely be sold & distributed to many unknown cretins & some would be used in a sexual manner. Whatever it is classified as the crime needs to be seriously punished.

Ikr..there is alot of sexual harassment and its not acknowledged

@@YumiVanherck stop being dramatic. 🙄

@@YumiVanherckwhat a weird and disgusting way to express your thoughts shinee members said that he's doing very good, he's a public service worker now, not a military band member, so he goes home every night. and he's practicing dancing when he has free time

@@universe986 I don't know what's disgusting about this? Could you please elaborate?

@@YumiVanherck 'i'm worried that he might take his own life' do you really not understand that it's a very bad words to say in a situation like this? instead of wishing him the best, you almost hope for the worst. it doesn't help a person who is struggling and might read/hear your words at all. I've been in a situation like this, when people almost waited for me to end my life while just 'worrying' about me. it's a very ignorant behaviour

The sad thing: it's quite common for this to happen in the military all around the globe. No matter if they are famous or not. It's truly heartbreaking.

What happened to leeteuk? Besides his father grandparents thing

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bruh just remember kookie lit is literally known for being one of the largest spreaders of fake-news and speculation as if theyre fact, on youtube.... the amount of times shes been exposed for pushing rumors and being extreamly biased against companies and on the side of idols in every situation, while fully knowing well that nobody knows the full story, only shows the naive levels of judgement from her. even with this video the speculation levels are very high, with absolutely nothing confirmed and taking small bits of words out of context is extreamly shady and just goes to show her level of desperate need for youtube attention and clicks, lesson is: don't believe everything youre told, ecspecially when so many stories have uno-reverse cards shown not that long after lol

The situation needs to change for ALL serving. I am sure it is widespread no matter who you are. It is just more in their face so to speak if they are famous. There needs to be strict punishments that are actually enforced for any caught doing these types of things.

He had to deal with being sexualized all his career which was bad enough, but as soon as he gets out of the spotlight, it gets much much worse... His members said he is doing better now, and he has some more peace after they moved him. They can also see him more now, which is something he absolutely needs. I hope he has some time to do what he loves too. My heart goes out to you, Taemin, we can't wait to see you at the end of the year!

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there is

Oh thank goodness

@@lia.isjusbetter True there are laws, however laws are worse than useless if they are not enforced.

I’m sure the military will have something in place because it is the military name on the line too as well as the government if anything untoward happens.

@@CarpeDiem-ky1mv If something happens it will be covered up and the member(s) in question will be forced to stay quiet about the incident, this is Korea not the USA.

I just hope they all go in and come out alive and unharmed with as little emotional trauma as possible. No one deserves to go into the military and be mistreated, but it seems Idols have more to deal with than others.

As someone who has studied this extensively, I disagree. Fame protects idols from being physically harmed in the sk military. The men who experience the worst suffering are young men who aren't famous.

But training as an idol wasn't that their choice? Its no secret that idols go through some crazy shit while training, debuting etc? Sound like they acceptable a consequence of being famous. Military is a military.. sucks but sounds more like the Military needs to change not because of the idols but because Militarys dont treat soldiers well..? idk..

the laws are good people like guards just don't follow the 'law' and they don't care what the law says.. everyone there abuses each other and sexually harass each other its horrible

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@@Krobra91 it’s not like they just leave dude i’m sure “normal” citizens can do it too 🧍🏻

They dont treat people well cause they want them to be as cruel as them when war breaks out

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I agree

Same…

The military is not a death sentence and all of their issues are not just because of the military.

@thvmin 🌿Well, he has a type of sickness, and had to do some extra training before joining military for his safety.

Same

yeah I'm worried

I worried for bts... i just hope miracle will happen that they will be exempted not only for army, also for bts mental health... i keep on praying for their exemption....

I really don’t think anyone would dare to do these things considering how big BTS is and how much of a influence they have like idk BTS will still be able to promote so I feel like they will barely be there and if it does Hybe will take legal action or Yoongi will just sue them

Thats why I think group members should be allowed to enlist together that way they can all be together and can take care of each other and no one would be lonely🙁

@@BELIEVER78989 the thing here is that not all members will be willing going to the same area in the army, yes it can help a little but also the fact that the whole group is inactive is not good for companies that at the end of the day they are mostly interested in money. But maybe in some cases it could work.

@@venezia_ thats true, the companies only care about money🙁

yes it's disgusting i also heard about it some people say he looks like a girl because of his small waist I just hope nothing too traumarizing happened and that he can get off time to rest and heal after all of this is over! korea's mendatory military service is really ruining the men's mental I just wish it will end

음... 오해가 많은 말입니다 영어가 미숙해서 미안합니다 저는 한국의 군인이고 11년동안 근무하면서 여러 사람을 만났습니다 하지만 같은 남자를 여성적으로 바라보는 사람은 없었습니다 동성애자는 종류가 있고 그중 같은 남성을 여성적으로 보는 사람은 군입대가 불가능합니다 연예인들의 군입대와 마찬가지로 모든 한국의 건강한 남성들은 군입대를 싫어합니다 자유를 빼앗기니까요 하지만 샤워실 등의 공동사용은 단지 공간과 시간, 예산의 절약을 위해 필요합니다. 솔직히 수많은 남자군인들과 샤워를 하지만 아무감정도 느끼지 않습니다. 한국의 많은 군인들이 여성스럽다고 생각하는 남자에 대해 성적문제를 일으키는 범죄자로 생각하지 마세요 그것은 나라를 지키기 위해 젊은 나이에 시간을 소모하는 군인들에게 매우 무례한 말입니다

What Taemin goes through, putting on that beautiful smile of his breaks my heart too. So many of his contemporise have suffered so badly, their Companies must together ensure their safety, happiness & well being. Sadly I think down to The Army alone, which must be more appropriate for each individual, especially as it does not prevent the abuse on their turf. Exploitation is not acceptable in any walk of life. That goes for the young girls & boys exploited by certain Companies too! Ugly & shameful. Poor Taemin & the others who suffer the same I hope their time goes less painfully & on return a break helps them heal. But also hope they know, they will always be loved by loyal fans.

Unfortunately I don't think he could rest because I recently saw an announcement of the comeback of superM and SM must surely have already planned a lot of things to do with Shinee as they could not "make him work" for two years...

The media can't accept that neither GD, BB or YGA did nothing wrong lol

The media always wants to tear down K-pop idols

@@everythingsfinett3903 The more successful, the more they want to see their downfall.

I would imagine abuse would be even worse towards younger men in the military :(

That's what I always thought... Why not do it ONCE you turn 18?

Yes me too 🥺

Can i ask something?? Since the 95 line are going next year, is shua going with scoups and jeonghan or not? I’ve seen some people saying he wouldn’t go since he was living in LA for years and others saying he would since he is fully korean?? So is he going?? Also vernon, I don’t think he is going right? Since he is only half korean and he also been living in NYC for a long time

​​@@mlkmhmd4561 Joshua can go if he apply but the military service in his case is not mandatory. Vernon will have to go.

@@mlkmhmd4561 ok as far as i know ... for nale korean who have multiple nationalities they can choose weather they want to serve or not from what i read on reddit and other articles so far but anyone who is more knowledgeble regarding these issues can polietly correct me if im wrong ... but for josh if he chooses to enlist then he will enlist the same year with wonwoo, hoshi and woozi since he was born at the end of the year ... vernon also has the choice since he is half korean but in all seriousness, i hope all the members stay safe duirng the enlistment and i know all the carats will be by their side when they return as 13 members once again

@@o_o5289 Vernon has a dual citizenship but chose Korean citizenship, which means he has to go. I don’t know if Joshua has both or just one, but if he has both and chooses the American citizenship over his Korean, there is a big chance of him being “shunned” by Koreans. There was an idol who came from California back in 90s I believe, he was huge, but military service came and his was talking about how he was going to do it but when the time came, he chose his American citizenship over it and was blacklisted from everything. He was even banned from entering the county until 17 years later. And korea made a law about this named after him, don’t remember what all that law entails. But there is a slight possibility of something like happening to Joshua 🤷🏻‍♀️

In SK as in many other countrys it is not a choice, at a certain age males must enlist for required military service, if not they go to jail...Some countries women even must enlist, I know Israel is one of them..

The military is mandatory unless you have a bad health condition. The military is not heaven but is not some death sentence either. I find it sad that people think the military is the only cause of all these problems.

It's mandatory, and if you can't do it for physical reasons, then you get put into community service for 18 months, like Heechul from Super Junior.

SA is just enjoying to turture it's people no matter what , in the 80s they still had dictators who slaved and killed peolpe and never got what he deserved he past recently

What is SA?? Edit: oh thnx I get it now but I don't know why are the replies hidden

@@discussingwithyouisfutile1703 SA = SEXUAL ASSAULT

@@discussingwithyouisfutile1703 sexual assault

@@discussingwithyouisfutile1703 sexual assault

@gemini_ewe yeah. Alot of fans will now be worried about their idols who are enlisting soon.

​@gemini_ewe i think kai would go into supplementary because of his really bad eyesight

Ikr.

What do you mean by Shinee didn’t sugarcoat it for him ?

If other idols went through all that, why not BTS?

@@bld3888 maybe because they are more famous so things can be worse…

@@bld3888 BTS has brought popularity, money etc.. to South Korea they deserved to be exempted

You only care the idols? First of all the military is not some death sentence. It is not heaven but is not a labor camp too. It is sad how people blame everything on the military.

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj why are you being rude? As a fan we are just concerned about the idols nothing else.... And after seeing cases like this for sure they can be traumatized

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj they are celebrities. They have images with which they need to protect for their privacy and for their reputation. Yes, that would be unfair for non-celebs(i also feel sorry for them) that had also gone through this kind of trauma, but the celebrities who had to go through something like this are having it worse. Because a lot of people know them and it would take a lot of effort to be mentally strong for their fans and for the media.

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj not everyone are blaming the military, but nobody can ever deny that there are loopholes within their military service rules.

Same

Taemin is my ult but of course Baekhyun is special and us Shawols hold him and EXO in high esteem. Why was he showering with anyone? I thought he directly enlisted into supplementary service. Regardless, I hope that Taemin and Baekhyun are happy and well and enjoying their life and service as much as possible.

@@4Peace. even if they do public service I believe they all still have to do basic training for a few weeks first before being transferred.

@@4Peace. even during public service, they go through the starting and basic training which would probably be why he was in a joint shower. I think this is it not too sure tho

Yeah, but there are also a lot of trainees that debut before they are 18+. What are they supposed to do? They would have the same problem that idols are facing now. They can't lower the age even further. That wouldn't be right at all to allow underage kids into the military.

@@infinitesprings Idols shouldn't be debuting before 18 in the first place given how abusive & pervasive the industry as a whole is, but that's a whole separate argument.

That's why I am fuckin scared for them bts has done so much for their country and plus their status as world entertainers now I'm scared that they will get worse treatment

BTS are national treasures, I would dare say they will be protection compared to past idols Especially considering how much talk there has been of possible exemption.

@@LisX840 I agree that BTS are national treasures, but no more so than Taemin of SHINee (who started his K-Pop career at age 14) and several others mentioned in this video. Exemption may not be the blessing that it sounds like. MANY Koreans would treat them with contempt if they don't do their required duty to country. So I think (just my opinion) that service + better protection would be the best long-term solution for famous people.

After hearing and reading about celeb and idol experiences in the military, I too am beginning to worry when Jin and the other BTS members enlist. And I am sure they are aware of this. I really hope and pray that their company and BTS ARMY will rally behind them if any such malicious acts and harassment be seen and reported. A system of anonymously reporting such ill deeds & actions should be put in place.

Now that I think about it, it seems too unsafe for them to enlist given their popularity so I believe hybe may not allow it

Exactly and they are so popular people their might envy them

Not to mention possibility of injury either. Can understand why some get it over earlier, later so hard to interrupt Career & Private life too sadly 😢

@@ginadeacon9920 I know it all too well but you can get injured outside too not just the military.

Even if they did not serve, do you think they will be popular forever? Their popularity will go down and fade with time regardless if they serve or not.

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj not with Groups like BTS, but I'm sure even as individuals they will still top the charts. You are right some sadly do disappear, some are dropped it's very competitive. Yet everyone knows the tough life of a trainee, not only that through their careers they have to pay ridiculously. Taken advantage of totally by profit driven Companies, every day costed, itemised & accounted for out of any earnings. It's a hard Apprentiship, but few reach the heights of Internationally recognised Idols. Your argument applies too, to those currently Exempted. Their must be some fairness, either all, or recognise the exceptional talents that the different genres in the Entertainment/Music Industry offer. The Contribution is no less than a Weightlifter for a one off Gold Medal, or a Pianist for a Carnigie Hall Performance! To think the Government recognises the fact that it's contentious, so passing the buck currently, is very concerning. In a position of Authority yet refusing to transparently consider all sides? It must be their decision their responsibility, to educate those who are ignorant of a wider view, while being fair to all categories. At the moment such contribution to the Country is not being so at all. Seemingly attributing frivolous choice of career in seeking fame. The only reason the real picture is not transparent, seems to be because of its ugly background of corruption & slavery of young people. Their youth is the price they pay, few sadly get the recognition they deserve, at least start with the World impactful Artists. Such a mess. Perhaps then let them serve when they leave Education. That is again an issue, being 20 or so so for many, it's just postponing adulthood, yet at least may not interrupt Careers at their height. By the way so you think it's fair to interrupt a great Career at its height? When it brings so much recognition to SK, from worldwide Fans, whose own Governments acknowledge their influence on their children? All parents long for great role models for their children, so bottom line is it mainly a generational issue? What influenced their parents growing up? Are they resistant to change, because they value their own past more? Isn't moving forward progressively better for the Country? In our case sadly our Government being Far Right, wants to return to Victorian values. There was a time when this would not be acceptable, we are going through change again, hopefully away at some point back to balance. It's our Leaders who should be informed enough to do that.

Same. This scares me bc I am a fan of all these men and had no clue about this. This isn’t talked about enough.

Same here...

Same

I feel the same way...I hope that they do their research before they head in and watch their backs. From personal experience since I was in the military there is definitely no privacy and I always stayed under the radar per say but it is going to be a challenge for them since they are BTS...hope they get out at the end of this stronger and not with any huge mental damage💜💜💜🤟

@@zynergysch hope 🤞🏻🤞🏻

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Me too why I liusten and watch right away!

I’m worried about the harassment they’re about to face…

I'm worried about Tae because he is very sensitive. I'm worried he will suffer from depression

I know... but let's have hope for them. Their all mature, especially Tae. And remember they'll have access to their phones eventually so they could talk to us on Weverse. Honestly tho, if they do receive special treatment they're higher ups could start to abuse them about it and claim that is isn't fair.

Deserved

I think Jin is doing fine, he has a great personality. Also, he became the commander of his unit. Very proud of him.

are u perhaps israeli?

me too, I hope the other members go in groups of 3 or 4 and I hope that they give Jin privacy that is what he deserves at least

@@gabrielmamani8445 yeah Jin privacy ..i wish he could have a separate room :( ..n showering with others may be dangerous for him ..because they can take pictures of Jin ..

this is my one fear for the boys doing their military service

Public service worker is for people that have injuries but still can do stuff I think

@@brenna730 yeah but im just saying it’s probably safer for people with their status

@@enhaworld maybe but u still won’t be safe

Who cares abt gdrùģģie

@ilkldme People, who were supposed to take care of his dogs, didn't. He was in military, when that happened.

Lol say who you? Vets actually spoke up to defend him they even explained the nails. And how its isnt infamed and was advice not to cut the nails. He actually takes good care of his pets when they are with him. His dog gaho is also way pass the life expectancy of dogs of same breed

leave the hypocrisy you don't care about the other idols you only worry because bts will go sm.

@@bld3888 and what a positive person you are, trying to make positive change. Hope your proud of your negativity. I suggest you stop, as your making yourself look stupid. Sending positive vibe’s

not me naively thinking they would be treated as citizen. I was expecting them to be treated normally but not even worse

@@njarasoarumpf8464: People feel a sense of ownership over idols that is unhealthy.

They already do that..they take a picture of jin when jin is not wearing a shirt..the South Korean military is disgusting