Kramnik Approved Viewer Game Analysis (Probably)

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GMBenjaminFinegold

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19 күн бұрын

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Пікірлер: 81
@reamartin6458
@reamartin6458 17 күн бұрын
The Ben “rant opening” was one of the strongest plays I’ve seen in a long time.
@xwngdrvr
@xwngdrvr 17 күн бұрын
The Grumpy Old Rant opening popularized at Hastings 1895, or was it 1066?
@reamartin6458
@reamartin6458 16 күн бұрын
😂
@carneades4409
@carneades4409 17 күн бұрын
shorter Ben: "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."
@pogy6449
@pogy6449 16 күн бұрын
kids are always wrong tho
@PhildoBaggins
@PhildoBaggins 17 күн бұрын
Obligatory old man shakes fist at sky comment
@beirutleb1376
@beirutleb1376 17 күн бұрын
What's a sky comment?
@vivvpprof
@vivvpprof 17 күн бұрын
@@beirutleb1376 "Old man shakes his fist at the sky" type of comment. I suppose shaking your fist at the sky it's a metaphor for an old person getting mad about the changes that are inevitable or not capable of being reversed by that person alone.
@totalmonkeyspeed260
@totalmonkeyspeed260 17 күн бұрын
It's a Simpson's reference
@Keneo1
@Keneo1 16 күн бұрын
Old man yells at cloud
@jb6879
@jb6879 15 күн бұрын
this is some serious debbie downer stuff from Ben. Magnus doesn't care about WC anymore because of forced lines, long time controls and not enough matches. I don't blame him. Not to mention several months of study of the same openings trying to find some incredibly small advantage.
@aarons3014
@aarons3014 17 күн бұрын
Fischer thought it was possible to play perfectly. Magnus knows that it is not possible. We don't live in a world of nonsense. We live in a world where chess is a combat sport, not a logic problem.
@istvanmagi473
@istvanmagi473 17 күн бұрын
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It sounds like an insight, so people upvote it, but if you think about it for even a few seconds, it falls apart. Why would have Fischer thought that, and how would Magnus "know" the opposite? Chess was exactly the same "combat sport" 50 years ago as it is today.
@MrEyal1981
@MrEyal1981 16 күн бұрын
@@istvanmagi473 Because Magnus got engines, so he knows that humans suck at chess, and so he figured it can be no more be seen as an art only as a sport .
@aarons3014
@aarons3014 16 күн бұрын
@@istvanmagi473 What the other commenter said, but tablebases were even bigger for Magnus's understanding of human chess. He would set up endgames where White wins by force in 100 moves, and try to understand why one move was better than another, and could not. In Fischer's day, chess was considered to be a game of complete information. Now elite players know that it is a game of incomplete information, closer to poker than tic-tac-toe from a human perspective. Managing emotions and getting a comfortable game are more important than playing the absolute best move, which humans cannot do. A good example is Prag's opening choices at the Candidates.
@vivvpprof
@vivvpprof 17 күн бұрын
Tell me you're old without telling me that…
@yotoober1
@yotoober1 17 күн бұрын
AS long as Kramnik approves, it's all good.
@miguelfonseca1104
@miguelfonseca1104 17 күн бұрын
ironic that we in the silly era of chess and we still require the top gm's to dress up for events where even poker celebrities dress in pajamas for their events!
@scowell
@scowell 17 күн бұрын
Ah... but Fischer went crazy! And developed Fischer Random because he didn't like normal chess anymore... not sure what my point is... I guess when you reach that level you have to do something else.
@_nemo171
@_nemo171 17 күн бұрын
After many user requests, finally a Kramnik joke. Go Ben. One for each of ya.
@ciso5163
@ciso5163 17 күн бұрын
don't have fun playing a game
@scottp2747
@scottp2747 17 күн бұрын
I don't think black missed Bishop takes rook; I think black wanted to be able to castle first. But maybe that's not an important consideration.
@pommedemer1922
@pommedemer1922 17 күн бұрын
White is dead lost on move 3, if you play a4 Ra3, at lest go to e3 or g3 if black doesnt take it, this goofy ass dude just played b3 instead, so taking it immediately is justified
@paparatzz7531
@paparatzz7531 17 күн бұрын
Ben crushing his dreams
@Cruz0e
@Cruz0e 17 күн бұрын
Magnus is also retired, fully ... and not world champion anymore
@Matthew-bu7fg
@Matthew-bu7fg 15 күн бұрын
having watched that game, I'm almost certain the opponent was telling the truth when they claimed to be Magnus
@robmckennie4203
@robmckennie4203 17 күн бұрын
"i feel like I'm owed something for looking at this" isn't this sub game analysis? Didn't the person who sent the game in pay $5 to get it analysed?
@scottwade3904
@scottwade3904 17 күн бұрын
the banned opening
@Woodflooralchemist
@Woodflooralchemist 17 күн бұрын
A lot of GMs speed run on alt accounts. But they wouldn’t tell you
@peace_in1move
@peace_in1move 17 күн бұрын
Ben you need "a Bex and a good lie down". Catch up on that sleep. The fundamentals are still in place and honoured. Christ look at the depth of opening study needed to compete successfully OTB. All is well young Ben🎉
@Rubrickety
@Rubrickety 12 күн бұрын
So timely! Just yesterday I was watching Eric Rosen playing the Stafford while high, drinking, _and_ cheating! Also swearing like a mofo.
@nawll11
@nawll11 17 күн бұрын
take chess seriously! *rawr*
@6872elpado
@6872elpado 17 күн бұрын
The good old man talk!
@milkisdeliciousfriendshipi1488
@milkisdeliciousfriendshipi1488 17 күн бұрын
GM Finegold, You’re owed a debt of gratitude
@vartananq
@vartananq 17 күн бұрын
As long as it's not 0, there is a chance! Thanks Ben
@xwngdrvr
@xwngdrvr 17 күн бұрын
Gawking Rebel? Well, it is Georgia. XD
@vivvpprof
@vivvpprof 17 күн бұрын
rabble*
@xwngdrvr
@xwngdrvr 17 күн бұрын
@@vivvpprof Your word sounds like my word, yet means something different. One of us must be making a joke. I wonder which one?
@knightrider585
@knightrider585 17 күн бұрын
Surely Alekhine's Defense is an early troll opening, inviting White to harass the knight with pawn moves, forcing the knight around the board.
@geggs3731
@geggs3731 17 күн бұрын
When top players go with joke openings, it’s crap for 5 moves but then they play to win. They’re odds games. If the gawking rabble wanna play odds games, let’em.
@jakobdonskov
@jakobdonskov 12 күн бұрын
this is a very stupid take. im here for it!
@AaronBrand
@AaronBrand 17 күн бұрын
LOL!
@glenncooper3524
@glenncooper3524 17 күн бұрын
That was terrible. The game too. Just kidding. It sucks but Magnus is serious most of the time. Hikaru too and all the top guys. Try not to take it so hard Ben.
@andsviat
@andsviat 17 күн бұрын
I think my chances of playing against Magnus Carlsen is minus Infinity.
@geggs3731
@geggs3731 17 күн бұрын
It can be interesting to watch a good player come back from a bad position. Bad players, not interesting.
@andreitiberiovicgazdovici
@andreitiberiovicgazdovici 17 күн бұрын
if you want some great advice on which stupid openings you should play, go to Gothamchess, you certainly won't be disappointed👍😆 (and he also adds some extras: he almost always suggests the stupidest possible variations even in the openings he's been using for years.. .) a misunderstood genius in short🤣
@mariuszpudzianowski8400
@mariuszpudzianowski8400 17 күн бұрын
I love how Gotham is always showing moves that aren't the best or simply losing for the opponent when playing something from his course. Then you analyze it and see how much he manipulates information.
@andreitiberiovicgazdovici
@andreitiberiovicgazdovici 17 күн бұрын
@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 very true😆👍 I, on the other hand, want to give just a simple example, but which explains many things: according to him, the Caro Kann is his favorite defense, and he knows it very well down to the smallest details (and he is an I.M.) in his videos and courses, in the Advanced Caro-Kann, where the best (and most played) 3rd move by the black player is 3...Bf5, he instead suggests 3...c5, and has stated several times (including on Lex Fridman's podcast), that according to him it is the best variant since "the computer says that black has already equalized"... that is, being pawn down on the fourth move and with white still having the advantage of moving first? But which computers does he use?🤣 but even if it were true, the vast majority of kids he offers it to are 500-1400 elo at most, certainly not Stockfish... do you think they would gain any advantage by playing in a similar way? I don't think so, and as a "teacher" he is actually making good money... America is a Great Nation...🤣👍
@mariuszpudzianowski8400
@mariuszpudzianowski8400 17 күн бұрын
@@andreitiberiovicgazdovici Yeah he should just say that 3... c5 is less known and can give your opponent trouble but instead he's just lying.
@nailfelagund7508
@nailfelagund7508 14 күн бұрын
It's a game, old man.
@hobebe9191
@hobebe9191 17 күн бұрын
yes
@hammer313
@hammer313 17 күн бұрын
your whole life was very serious, but how hard was it to make a living? Imagine you were single the whole time, would have made enough to never worry about paying for rent, food, health, entertainment, holidays, etc? I got the impression back in the good old days, it was a tough life being a full time professional chess player.
@robmckennie4203
@robmckennie4203 17 күн бұрын
Lighten up man it's just a game, it's very funny that ben is like "chess isn't serious anymore, chess should be very serious, yeah i don't take it serious because it's more fun to do silly things, but everyone else should be very very serious"
@nailfelagund7508
@nailfelagund7508 14 күн бұрын
Haha exactly, children are dying around the world and we're supposed to take a board game seriously 🤣
@Nippleless_Cage
@Nippleless_Cage 2 күн бұрын
​@@nailfelagund7508One has nothing to do with the other.
@Brian22-up3eu
@Brian22-up3eu 17 күн бұрын
Ben the voice of sanity in chess world.
@gmatsue84
@gmatsue84 17 күн бұрын
That's sanity enough for so many platforms: chess, football, basketball...
@Demian_R
@Demian_R 17 күн бұрын
@LizaFan
@LizaFan 17 күн бұрын
The truth hurts.
@carsonbath6345
@carsonbath6345 17 күн бұрын
moves start at 9:41, dear god, 2nd move at 11:56
@danielevans8728
@danielevans8728 17 күн бұрын
You have a point, but it comes across like the old guy yelling at kids for having fun.
@Kay-im6ht
@Kay-im6ht 14 күн бұрын
I honestly thought it was going that way, but he never really stated it was bad or he disapproves, he just kinda explains the situation how it is. I think it's obvious it's not how he prefers chess to be, but I don't think his analyses of the situation is all that bad. Besides, clubplayers who take the game seriously and are passionate about getting better still exist. They still run most of the actual tournaments being played in real life, no matter what your level. It's just where before online chess was just a place club players tried to improve in their free time, it has now just kinda become a world of its own. But the sillyness doesn't erase those serious players. And dabbling in both worlds is honestly pretty fun. Maybe when you are present to such a degree in that online chess world, it's easy to forget the OTB serious players are still thriving.
@owensthethird
@owensthethird 17 күн бұрын
Meme Chess, What else?
@richardv.2475
@richardv.2475 17 күн бұрын
About the only thing I really enjoy about the world today is that people are getting less and less serious about it, about the sh*t that is whirling everywhere. I mean in the old days when people worn shirt with tie and they pretended everything was serious and made sense and everyone had a big family with the idea this was the right way of life and for the betterment of everything , I just don't know how people were able to move forward with that zillion tons of bullshit. In contrast, when somebody like Nakamura who has 50 million $s plays Magnus who could play 2900ish chess and they are just trolling each other for minutes and laughing like Beavis and Butt-Head, that restores my fate in life and humanity.
@rene563
@rene563 17 күн бұрын
seems like someone stole the keys of the key keeper
@robertr.1879
@robertr.1879 17 күн бұрын
Another anthology quote from Ben: "half of the chess players want to play blitz while been high or drunk and the other half is cheating".
@Josh-cz3ym
@Josh-cz3ym 11 күн бұрын
this is the greatest rant I have ever witnessed
@kmarasin
@kmarasin 17 күн бұрын
I agree, popular = nonsense
@mrpocock
@mrpocock 17 күн бұрын
So I think perhaps you're being a bit too angry old man. At the higher professional level, everyone has 60 moves of theory. The crazy openings drag people out of theory so that you get down to playing chess rather than remembering book moves as soon as possible. And the engines have shown its just how much we stuck at chess, and how far from perfect we play even when playing as well as humanly possible.
@mariuszpudzianowski8400
@mariuszpudzianowski8400 17 күн бұрын
Apparently Danya didn't play Magnus, some GM made a post on reddit about the whole thing and said he was banned unfairly as he wasn't cheating. Weird stuff.
@a1000car
@a1000car 9 күн бұрын
Great rant. Who speaks so is not stuttering.
@JackMott
@JackMott 17 күн бұрын
downvote for "kids these days" attitude. don't go down that road, don't die angry and sad. see the light, there is plenty.
@zainquadri1206
@zainquadri1206 17 күн бұрын
I believe I played Magnus Carlsen and I know MJ and Elvis Presley are alive and in hiding because I've met both of them simultaneously and they told me everything...
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 17 күн бұрын
That's a good assessment of today's chess scene. It seems that majority of new chess players since the pandemic are more interested in trolling than in learning chess. That's fine I suppose. They can continue trolling while the few continue to improve and gain rating. Eventually, the trolls will get tired of wasting their time and move on to something else while we continue to enjoy this beautiful game.
@mariuszpudzianowski8400
@mariuszpudzianowski8400 17 күн бұрын
I welcome troll openings as they are really fresh and fun to play against especially in short time formats. As long as they aren't cheating it's all good in my book.
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 17 күн бұрын
@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 . I hear you. My point is that I also play OTB and use online to get better as a chess player. My goal is to get to NM and playing troll openings aren't going to help me. But like I said, trolls can play whatever they want and I will continue improving my chess. Thanks for the reply! Cheers!
@jank_memes
@jank_memes 17 күн бұрын
But the question is how do you get away form this nonsense and actually improve your play when the nonsense is so prevalent?
@Joshwaheazo
@Joshwaheazo 9 күн бұрын
That game is exactly why I don't play rapid or blitz....I wouldn't even feel good about beating that white player.
@glum_hippo
@glum_hippo 16 күн бұрын
Why are you even covering this awful, senseless game?
Both Sides Played Better Than Their Ratings? Unbelievable.
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