As someone who has a MA in psychology and an M Div I really appreciate your “rant” on educating ourselves regarding the responses of victims and not just judging these women in ignorance.

You two are such a breath of fresh air.

"predators rely on your niceness" right on Christina!! 💯% truth!

If Mike Bickle had chosen honesty instead of manipulation, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I am disgusted how he manipulated these women with praying a repentance prayer and then continues SA. He was guilting them and keeping them bound in shame, to control them. I wish Kris Vallaton would have spoke up for the victims. They had to be pained by his insensitivity. Keeping speaking you two! 🎉❤😮

The reality is that if ihopkc had practiced proper church discipline with Mike all along there'd be no need for us outsiders to do it. Even now ihopkc is still obfuscating so, please, don't stop providing accountability. It's clear to any discerning believer that you both are not putting out videos in order to gossip. Love you both. ❤

When he called ppl an idiot he sounds so ARROGANT!!! Call him out!!! Thank uuu they need to be held ACCOUNTABLE!!!

So good and so needed! Ihope and Bethel are also very big here in Scandinavia, and people are VERY disgusted with the response from KV, and lack of response from many leaders connected to MB. Keep up the good work! Regards from a Norwegian grandmother.

Thankyou for continuing to add clarity , your voice is powerful yet with kindness (not niceness) to speak the truth in love calling for a better response from Charismatic leaders. Don’t stop ‼️🙏🙏🙏

"That's what got us in this mess!" Yes, thank you for pointing out the fact that many sheep won't even tolerate a discussion of the truth.

This was very direct and very helpful. My wife and I thoroughly enjoy you two and your commentary. Don’t back down 😊

You two are nailing it! I appreciate you both so much for everything you are doing. Yes, we can’t be ‘nice’ about abuses in the church. We need to wrestle this ‘crime’ to the ground and not let go until God’s standard is put in place for the body of Christ. No more good ol’ boy practices will be tolerated for the Mike Bickle’s, Brian Houston’s, Jimmy Swaggert’s, Jim Bakker’s, Bill Hybel’s-mega-church variety. God wants to clean up this mess. But He exhorts us to be hands on and warns us against tolerating these abuses. Most of us didn’t know these things were taking place until Fall of 2023. But now we do. God pulled back the sheets so we can see the immorality. He’s now providing details. So, we are called to demand justice for all who have been abused. Otherwise, this sin will continue to grow and permeate more churches. More women and children will be abused, if we don’t collectively discipline these prolific abusers. You two are awesome! God is using you because He trusts you. Thank you again!! 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼

Churches who have had a connection with IHOP (and Bethel certainly has) definitely need to make a statement of where they stand in this abuse case. The fact that Kris Valaton felt he owed no statement,in my opinion, shows incredibly poor leadership. I’m glad he apologized for what he said but it is eye opening and shocking how many major church leaders or ministery leaders are handling this situation so badly. I appreciate you both for bringing common sense and accountability to some of these church leaders and am thankful for the men on the advocate team❤

Thank you so much… Don’t give up! Thank God you are speaking up! Please don’t give up, the Church needs to wake up. I don’t get why people are so willing to excuse this unbiblical behavior. You are so right about the lack of Biblical understanding.

Here in Scandinavia people are also upset over the videos with Fransis Chan condemning all people that has had questions regarding MB. As a grandmother that never could listen to MB (he made my stomach turn but I never new why), I would have been soooo disturbed and questioned my own judgment if I had heard the condemnation from Chan. He was telling people that something was serios wrong with you if you felt unrest about MB, because the spirit of God rested on him. All this men (from Ihope, Bethel and so) has been in Norway and many other European countries many time. But I think people here, also the older, are quicker to acknowledge when something is proven totally wrong. And people in Europe and Scandinavia are watching what all this leaders that use to come here is saying, and what they are not saying.

Thankyou for being truth tellers , the body of Christ needs your podcast ! Keep pressing on!

So good you guys!!! Well rounded and thorough. You are the voice for SO MANY of us.

As an older woman prophetic person I totally agree with what you are saying . God had told many of us in His ways. Thank you for being honest truthful and very bold to speak out..

Culture of Honor is a great book. It doesn’t talk about “don’t touch the Lords annointed.” It’s not about covering the sin of others. It’s actually about good boundaries and healthy conflict. It has never been about covering someone’s sin. People have been using the phrase “honor culture” to describe this but they are using the term wrong…

I so appreciate your unpacking of what's happening with IHOPKC. The people in my world these days don't even know who Mike Bickle is so I don't have anyone to process with. I've been a part of the leadership at mega churches at different points in my life. Now I'm living in a remote area (Saskatchewan, Canada) on a small farm with my five kids. The church we've found here is so much healthier than any I've known. It's a body of believers not the kingdom mindset that subscribes to the Old Testament idea of not touching God's anointed. As someone who has walked with victims of CSA, that mindset is one that I can not support. Thank you for continuing to speak.

I love Kris but I agree with you guys. No one should be off limits, or above being corrected because of their position in the body of Christ.

I’m so glad you’re keeping these men Accountable!!!! Don’t back paddle !!!

at 28:00 - "That's what I want to try to understand, is the 'Don't touch God's anointed one'. Where did this come from? Why or where did the 'honor culture' come from, to where we can't . . . ." There is a real problem with the whole "anointed one" paradigm, as it is used today. The scripture from which "touch not God's anointed" is drawn was also 1 Chronicles 16:22, a warning to pagans not to oppress God's covenant people in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, "THE anointed One" is Jesus Christ, and EVERY believer is anointed with the Holy Spirit. These people setting themselves up as "anointed ones" are doing so to establish and grow their own empires - and to protect themselves from accountability. In so doing, they actually command their followers to DISOBEY the scriptures, which command us to test every spirit, every prophecy, and to confront a brother who is in error. This is culty behavior. Run, do not walk, to the nearest exit.

Thank you Christina! The exhortation for women to be nice, quiet, etc. provides an environment that is ripe for predators! Not saying we are to be obnoxious…but we have to use our voices and in an environment that welcomes the voices and strengths of women!

I'm a former hyper-charismatic. God saved me in my 30s and scripture has convinced me to reject continuationism and I'm now a cessationist. That being said, many of my charismatic brothers and sisters in Christ are still beloved friends. I'm grateful for your channel and the work you're doing about this awful situation. You're really a breath of fresh air and I'm thankful for this work you're doing! Thank you!

Kindness is truth driven Niceness is people pleasing

Thank you for not backpedaling

Ever since the first time I heard your podcast when this whole IHOPKC thing got exposed, I have looked forward to hearing you break down your thoughts and the biblical support. My husband and I just listened to this and we totally agree with what you’ve shared. It’s sad that people have to get ugly and defensive. Keep speaking the truth in love and being led by the Lord. We’re living in days where the Lord is separating the wheat and d chaff. It’s clear that there’s a horrible lack of discernment and fear of the Lord in the body of Christ. Your voices matter and we appreciate that you are willing to put yourselves out there on behalf of support of the victims. Spiritual and sexual abuse from church leaders (wolves) is all too prevalent and I’m thankful it’s getting exposed. This shaking from the Lord is absolutely necessary for the Bride to awaken and get herself ready! Thank you, Blaise and Christina, and God bless you and your family!!❤

Leaders are to be “blameless“ 1 Tim 2:3

This whole situation has also caused me to appreciate the importance of confession and repentance. I got called out for stealing and I had totally rationalized it as to why it wasn’t actually stealing but when they called me out I was like omg they’re right. I confessed to them and told them this thing with MB made me realize that it’s super important to call our sin what it is. Otherwise, we will continue to rationalize it. When we say it with our own mouths, it hits our pride and humbles us and makes us want to truly forsake it. Also I watch a lot of true crime and most people who m*Eder people have a rationalization for it that allows them to take that eternal decision. So yeah, calling my sin what it is and repenting quickly. God uses everything for the good of those who love him. Hashtag blessed.

Wake up America! Its time to follow Jesus(the real one).

I fully deconstructed back in 2016. I've been in multiple exvangelical support groups, and have shared my stories on multiple podcasts. So yeah I'm one of those people, lol. That all being said I really appreciated you bringing up the "spirit of jezabel" issue. I know a lot of women who left the church because that line of spiritual abuse was tossed around at them (you know, when they had the audacity to not be a "nice christian woman.") As an ex-ihoper/metro church member and an exvangelical, I want to say I really appreciate what you guys are doing, and to please keep going (all the while remembering to take care of yourselves, because this stuff is intense!) Thanks for everything you guys are doing, and thank you for being a stand.

The meaning of “touch not the anointing” means don’t murder the leader to seize power!

Love you guys! Your videos make me feel less alone, less depressed about all this. It really helps me.

Thank you so much for these videos. You’re making a lot of points that really need to be made.

As I listened to you both I realised that you represent the young fearless people who will be leaders in the church in the times ahead. The new guard who will cut through the older generation’s tradition of Christian worship. I pray you will continue to speak biblical truth, not in condemnation but in love.

Thank you for bringing more clarity to your comments and not back peddling. Christina your comment on love was understandable , it is ridiculous the excuses and reasoning's people are using to not address the crimes as crime and treating it like Bickle's actions are not really a big deal. Many of these men Kris Bill Benny and so on are connected in to the same false movement and are in serious error. May God Have Mercy and continue to unfold the hidden things .

Hello Blaise and Christina, really love and appreciate your videos throughout these months. As a BSSM graduate who has heard years of Kris' preaching, it's my believe people defended Kris so vehemently because it is Bethel Culture of loving everyone, esp sinners, to help them. I have been waiting and wanting a statement from Kris for a long time and its really disappointing for me. And most people from Bethel aren't interested to find out more - they want to stay out of it. And btw Kris isn't nice.....he can say very cutting words (as we witnessed with the idiot comment), esp in his younger days. He is more aware now but i would not say he is a nice guy. He is very opinionated. And while he can hang out with Bickle, i doubt they are real friends - more like ministry acquaintances. So I question what he means by saying he loves Mike Bickle 🤔. Kris does allow people to call him out (Danny did it and he taught we need to trust someone else more than yourself coz of blind spots), but i think people who follow Kris just want to defend him 🤷🏻‍♀️ . Plus they have no interest in what's going on at IHOPKC. Kris has preached how David was a lousy father: ie how he handled Tamar situation and remained silent. Which resulted in Absolom rebelling. So i can't understand why Kris isn't holding MB accountable for being a perpetual abuser and staying silent. Sigh. And yeah, maybe its the Bethel Bubble so he doesn't realise there are people who doesnt know his life.... Blessings! Looking forward to new videos!

“Predators take advantage of your niceness” Awesome!!!

You two are the BEST !!!!

Spot on tonight! You guys are real. Also…please tell us about your journey to Montana please.

Excellent podcast, and I enjoy how you two bounce ideas and thoughts off each other. Blaise, you would be an excellent pastor. When we look at I Corinthians 13, Paul is writing about charity, which is love in action. Someone can say "I love Mike Bickle" all day long; but in context with this scripture, love means to take action, which also includes confronting the person about their sinful and aberrant lifestyle. Also; when we look at I Samuel 24:6 & 24:10 in context, David is not talking about confronting Saul's behavior, but David is talking about not killing Saul. Applying that to our church culture today, what it means to not touch the Lord's anointed is to not strike them to hurt them (or kill them) physically. It has nothing to do with confronting leaders about their ungodly behaviors. BTW, an interesting statement Mike Bickle made back in the late '80s. As I best recall, he mentioned that he never held hands with Diane until they got engaged, and he never kissed her until their wedding day.

I got saved at age 18. I back slid and remained a prodigal for many years. I lived a promiscuous life. I never considered trying to hookup with a teenager. This is a great podcast and you guys are exactly right. I stepped away from the charismatic world for about 3 years. I listened to a Baptist preacher named Robert Breaker teach the world. It was the best thing I’ve ever done. My discernment really increased. Let’s be believers first and then charismatics.

I love Kris Valloton AND you guys are 100 percent correct …your opening statement was so right on. Also what the wife (sorry I don’t know your names yet) said about predators DEPEND on women “being nice” and “who are they being nice to? Not the victims!.” So good. And so true . The body needs to step it up and do better. Well said peeps. I do believe that Kris is the type of person that would see this and hear it with out offense. ALSO ihops response was fire. Good on them.

Everything you guys said is so valid and well put. It is so sad people put these guys on a pedestal and get so angry over legit criticism. Both of your videos were excellent and well thought out.

Exactly. Because he was a church leader when he did it, he was accountable to his church leadership, as well as his own wife and the parents of the women and girls he abused but he knew he disqualified himself so he covered his sin. He bipassed all of that on purpose. And I think it's because he had no real intentions of ever stopping longterm. If he had, he would have exposed his sin to those who could have held him accountable in leadership rather than just manipulating his victims into feeling sorry for him by acting remorseful only after he got what he wanted. He didn't truly repent of it then and he's not repenting of it now or we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Ergo, he is to be excommunicated. There's sadly no getting around it. But I do pray daily for his victims, be the abuse mental, emotional, sexual or spiritual. And I do pray that Mike will be granted real repentance before he bids this earth goodbye.

Hardly ever comment but just wanted to be a positive comment thanking you for doing these videos and exposing truth…even if it’s hard for some to hear. Righteousness above everything 🙏💛

Thank-you, thank-you. Finally, I’m hearing voices willing to call out abuse in the church and advocate for victims. Bless you guys🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽.

I really appreciate your statements on this whole situation! Holding leaders accountable for their horrible behavior is so necessary!

These so-called leaders just get on stage and talk each other up. That's how they get to be called "the Lord's anointed." It is all nonsense. And it comes complete with a guarantee that you get honor and can't be questioned-why? No reason at all.

I've lived this one. Most people can't face the harsh reality especially with a Narcissist. Most want to do anything to make it nice for themselves so we can all have a nice time. We want rules and behavior modification more than relationships. Kris looks so honorable to say I just love my brother. He's said other inappropriate things and is very arrogant. Face the harsh truth and deal with a culture of allowing predators. We don't listen to the watchmen. Plow thru you two. You both have lots of wisdom for your age.

"Sacred cows" are a powerful thing. Sadly. And sadly, it usually takes a ministerial crisis for the church to wake up and put away the personality worship.

It was the wrong priority. When sexual abuse is exposed of a minor…. The first concern is the victim. And his statement was totally wrong because the issue is not loving Mike or if he is being loved right now. The issue is sexual abuse. And holding someone accountable for sexual abuse is loving

Great to join you as you walk through this. We've had similar experiences and it puts light on things we thought were not quite right. You love for God, His truth and His Word is what has helped keep you in the path and given you eyes to see, by God's grace.

I appreciate you two. I think you're doing a great job of bringing insight into what's going on. I can sense your hearts and it's good!

This is SO good. Thank you again.

I just wonder if Mike Bickle himself will ever publicly repent or apologize to the IHOPKC community for deceiving all of them…

In context David has decided to not kill Saul, though he had an opportunity. I am all for not killing people, but as you say Paul, the apostle, and Jesus, called out sin, Jesus especially called out sin in religious leaders, so I don't understand how it isn't Christ like when Jesus did it.

Do you have any updates re: Michael Brown saying weeks ago he was forming a panel of leaders to come along side advocates and victims and move forward an impartial investigation etc. Now things have gone silent - what is up with that?

You are so spot on understanding the NAR leaders who claim the leadership of today’s modern “apostles and prophets” and how they are considered “anointed” to lead the church today…. And how dangerous it is. The dedication to follow, support, and blindly agree with their leadership is scary! Che Ahn’s recent book on Modern Apostles and Prophets is SCARY and concerning. Red flag 🚩 galore. Thankful for your discernment and your voice to lovingly speak truth. God is full of grace but the deception and partial truth needs to be pointed out… Thankful my parents didn’t join Mike’s invitation, pull, draw or attraction to work with him in the 80’s. They almost did… I am a year younger than Tammy Woods. Praise God my dad and mom compared teachings to Scripture, wrestled with it and had a friend who challenged the teachings lovingly. So thankful. Keep speaking.

Soooooo important what you all are saying. Thank you!

My husband and I attend Bethel Church, and we both did BSSM last year. I will say that I have been very skeptical of certain things within the honor culture paradigm, and have prayed for Bethel a ton while I'm here, as I've discerned wrong things taking place under that paradigm. I just have to say real quick that I know multiple people, personally, who have confronted Kris V over things he has said. Every single time he has been deeply sorry and genuinely apologetic. I know he can come off as arrogant sometimes, but I have firsthand knowledge that he does take rebukes well and does allow the Lord to chastise him, even through "regular folks" like me. I'm not making excuses for the honor culture paradigm, just speaking to my personal knowledge of Kris himself.

Also dont forget Bill Johnson has publicly stated Mike is the most important man in the world in this generation. The statement matters

I would like Francis Chan to make a statement. Its appropriate. Francis was cautioned about Mike Bickle and held those that cautioned him up for public ridicule. Imo that calls for acknowledgement.

A normal person with empathy would not have preached a sermon like that. A narcissist would. Those under the control of the narcissist will equate him with God, so any criticism of him will be seen as an attack on God himself. That's how spiritual abuse works. The narcissist will then empty the pockets of the flock, assert control over them by threatening them spiritually, and continue to brainwash them into obedience. That sermon was about control. Don't go to social media. Do as your told. Know your place. The narcissist is God's anointed one, so do not question. Follow the money to see what really motivates these guys.

Thank you for your balanced perspective. There is so much error and false teaching today because pastors don’t know God’s Word, don’t understand the character of God or Holiness and definitely don’t understand the gravity of sin. The incident about David and Saul and ‘don’t touch the Lord’s anointed’, is descriptive and not prescriptive. David was addressing his men and telling them not to physically hurt or kill Saul. This Scripture does not apply to self appointed, self anointed men, trying to cover/excuse their sin.

Bethel had Bob Jones, who SA women, had multiple fail prophecies, and was teaching new age to their congregation just before his death. So, Bill and Kris deserve scrutiny.

Keep up the good work. We need your voices. I highly recommend The Lovesick Scribe podcast. You have to filter the content a bit because she has fled from hyper charismatic to almost cessationist, but she has great content on the doctrinal problems with NAR teachings, especially Bethel. We must get back to sound doctrine. I love the Holy Spirit, but He has been so grossly misrepresented over the last 30 years, I am severely grieved. 😢

I was with YWAM from 2001-2006. We were taught honor culture from the get go. It definitely sets the standard so that you do not say anything against or question anything from the leader.

Kris’ statement and stance are demonstrative. Even IF you want to “reserve judgment” until more evidence presents itself … the attitude is NOT “Oh Well!!!” The Bible makes it very clear that a leader MUST BE ABOVE REPROACH … THAT MEANS even IF there were to be a single accusation it would never “stick” … let alone have MULTIPLE accusations that HAVE “stuck.”

If you want to find out about honor culture. Put it out to pastor Danny Silk who wrote the book and ask him to make a statement on this whole thing. He should be able to bring sanity to this situation or at least a deeper insight into this mess.

I appreciate you both! Keep up the good work!

One thing Kris said in his apology was that in the other services he taught that day he did mention the victims and he apologized noting that omission was wrong. I agree with so much what you said… my heart is broken. When will the church stop making safe places for predators.

I personally believe that He is exposing the false prophetic movement, exposing the church abuse and abusers, and also the wolves who are not siding with the sheep.

He did NOT apologize. Research a narcissists apology

That he was beyond reproach!!! Exactly -- THAT was RIDICULOUS

I just listened to the last podcast remnant radio put out about church governance. I’m glad you’re connecting to talk about honor culture. It seems to have developed under the scenes, and there might be many church members who don’t even know they are in that culture.

Love you guys! This is a situation that is just unacceptable for a minister. I’m part of Bethel and I have seen how things get handled here and I can actually say that in my experience people have always felt comfortable bringing up concerns with leaders. I’m actually on my way to a men’s gathering and we are very open and forward with our responsibility to protect the people around us and specially those that are more vulnerable.

Keep going guys, you’re a much needed voice right now❤

I love that you guys are not backing down. We need you. Keep going 🫶

Thanks to you both we get a perspective and have a voice in how the charismatic church handles such evil. I see few shepherds in our churches. God certainly shows us WE ALL need to stick with His Word and live the Word, walk in the Spirit so we will be taught of Him. Too many preachers with big following have totally failed in the character department. We are not to follow any man whose life we cant see. So how is there duch a following for these youtube preachers when we know nothing about THEIR life?

I've listened to Leaving the Message channel. Whoa! I needed to know about this. When I got saved, Ern Baxter was the pastor of the first church I became a part of. Now I know why some of my friends believed some really strange things that I thought were utterly disgusting. Ern said that William Branham did not have a gift for teaching, that he was called to be a prophet. He never spoke of Branham's teaching that was in error. I think he should have done so. My friends put Branham on a pedestal. After listening to those guys on that channel, I have concluded that Branham really was not a prophet of God. He was like Balaam and a fraud. God used Balaam to bless Israel, but that does not mean that Balaam was a good guy. He also counselled Israel's enemies about how to weaken Israel and destroy them, and Moses ended up killing him in battle.

I watched this last night and I just want to thankyou for being real and sharing the truth!!! Sending lots of love ❤️

David Lugo is a Latino Cristian singer that left everything to serve at ihop and wow he is broken he sold everything he owned and moved his familia to that church and now that all of this happened he left the church because is not a safe environment for his kids. I’m so sadden by the victims of Sexual abuse but also think about the people whose world was shattered serving in a ministry that was fake. MB needs to apologize not just to the victims of Sexual abuse but to the many people he fooled in that ministry.

You guys are appreciated. Blessings.

You guys nailed it in the previous video. As for a majority of the leaders in the charismatic movement, these men lead with their "visions" and not the truth of what Jesus teaches in the scriptures. They are not shepherds, they are men who are building their own Kingdoms on the back of out- of-context scripture without submiting to the authority of Jesus. Knowing God's word helps the sheep discern between true shepherds and wolves. And praise God that he sees the broken and he will bring justice for the oppressed. Jesus sees and he calls the weak and burdened to come to him and rest. Only in Christ do we find rest and healing. These men should be ashamed at how they lack the Christ-like care and concern for the sheep in their care. 2 John 9 "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son." James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." People need to read 1 and 2 Timothy and the qualifications for elders and teachers in the Church. Jesus teaches in Matthew 24 about what will happen in the end times with all the false teachers and real miracles they will perform. Jude also teaches about false teachers. The tares are among the wheat NOW. The wolves and goats are among the sheep NOW. Jesus tells his disciples to be shrewd as serpents and gentle as doves. We must be also.

Why are you guys in Montana???

I feel the over arching point is the lack of discernment in the body Christ. Or is it cowardice?

This exposure should cause us all to examine ourselves

Thanks for speaking out about this mess. It’s time for new wine skins. And Chris Vallotton is behaving like an idiot to call someone else an idiot the way he did.

I'm glad you did this video. The first one, when I heard what Kris said, I was not surprised. Same track record. I refrained from responding then, but I'm going to now.... I think there needs to be a reformation in American evangelicalism and people need to stop bowing down at the feet of so called apostles and prophets instead of Jesus Christ. Would I trust going forward to bethel leadership about real problems or abuse? Never. Would I trust going to a leader in network with and following bethel models? Never. Because none of the them in a position of leadership did the right thing when I went to them. I got labeled and viewed like a problem that needed to be fixed/sozoed into compliance. Also, the level of narcissistic abuse I've experienced in church settings is insane. I am currently walking out my own healing journey from trauma. And sadly, I haven't been able to do that in a church community. I came forward about my abuser and the "bethel culture of love" showered them with honor while I continued to suffer, so I left.

24:30 Preach it, guys!

I think some of the problem with the whole idea of, “Well, they apologized back in the day when this happened 20+ years ago,” is that we are lumping apologizing and repentance together as if they are synonymous. They are not. It is one thing to apologize for something, but it is a whole other level when we repent. Repentance brings a turning away from sin. If, after an apology, we see yet another instance of sin, we can see that there is a pattern. This goes against repentance.

Preach brother and sister! I’ve served the Lord over forty years and many leaders in the body of Christ. Now 63 years young. Sobering days. Keep up the good work.

And how is it that he repented 25 years ago, and there are more Jane Does after that? I don't see the anointong in any of them. Emotion is not anointing. They're self-appointed "Lord's anointed" because God does not anoint lies and heresy.

Thank you for your very thoughtful coverage of important issues and not backing down because of the sacred cows that trigger so many who might be watching your videos. I love the humor and your chemistry. Keep doing what you are doing!

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

Bickle said publicly years ago that the "don't touch the Lord's anointed' is the most abused verse by pastors to their congregants.

Behind you guys!! Keep the truth telling up!

I think the reason there is so much loyalty so to speak and willingness to give grace to Kris is because he has helped so many people - and willing to publicly take responsibility and sincere (if you know him or are around him) when he makes a mistake - humble and willling to be vulnerable - a unique quality in high profile leaders

The videos that I have seen of K. V this past week, and especially mocking women who make allegations, I would seriously question his morality. How can you call a predator your loved brother when scripture states to have nothing to do with them, makes me question if he too is also a predator!! I speak as a survivor of church leader CSA.