KTM 690 throttle body idle issues explained and fixed.

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KTM 690 throttle body idle issues explained and fixed.

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A detailed explanation of the KTM690 throttle body problems that cause bad and inconsistent idle, cutting out and poor low throttle response. w
With an explanation of how to fix.
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@cooky03 Жыл бұрын

Nice content Jim. Simply explained without being patronising. If only all bike fixing content could be like this 👏🏻👏🏻

@MADRE-GUY 4 күн бұрын

Sure wish there was somebody like you here in America on the West Coast.. It’s all dealer service it seems like there are really no independence service people that really have any clue about working on these bikes or maybe they just don’t want to because it’s too hard. And I am going to subscribe

@mohamadredzamustafa330 Жыл бұрын

tq sir. got the same problem with my duke 3. been in workshop more than 1 year already. will try to do the same

@garypatterson2241 Жыл бұрын

Great to see you back Jim . Your a star

@petermosdell580 Жыл бұрын

Welcome back Jim 👍

@00Munki Жыл бұрын

Glad you back! Missed your videos.

@295walk 5 ай бұрын

I dont own a bike or licence but love this after watching 2 videos . love the tech , the bikes but yourself equally . Great stuff thanks .

@firestorm755 6 ай бұрын

Great info but does highlight the fact that you need the relevant computers and software to work on these bikes.

@ronanrogers4127 2 ай бұрын

You can recalibrate Keihin TPS using a multimeter…all his software is doing is reading the current and displaying it as being in the correct range (ie green). But if you have the workshop manual it’ll tell you the values you need and you can do it with a multimeter off eBay. It’s not hard at all.

@omarbendoula152 Ай бұрын

@@ronanrogers4127can you give the value of both of tps sensor I have ktm 690 smR 2008 and I have a lot of admission problem those days and thank you

@daviddanielstephenson2833 Жыл бұрын

Nice diagnostic job Jim, some stepper motors are very sensitive, the more steps they are tuned to the driver with the more sensitive they become. I have come across these plastic gears before, when they get heated they can shrink, as if they have an injection memory, this is probably why they changed it for a much better fitting metal version.

@sabamacx Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the charger recommendation, really nice kit.

@paultanton4307 Жыл бұрын

Welcome back Jim,another interesting video thanks,i have a question for you,youtube is a veritable goldmine for many subjects, and Motorcycles are one of my passions,with absolutely no disrespect to other mechanically minded content providers you are one of two i would watch first for quality,have you ever rubbed shoulders so to speak with Allen Millyard ?.

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV Жыл бұрын

No, but I'd love to sit down with him and have a brew, very interesting guy 👍

@paultanton4307 Жыл бұрын

@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV Yes im sure you would both have a lot to chat about 😀

@sjreidkiwi 11 ай бұрын

Legend. Thankyou for the amazing informative video, interesting that TPS needs to be disconnected to start… TEXA doesn’t mention anything about that in the diag instructions. Love TEXA, but little things like this can trip you up easy if you don’t now.

@marklupton2064 Жыл бұрын

Always enjoy the vids 👍

@hlpang1075 5 ай бұрын

Its amazing how you know so much about so many bikes!

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 5 ай бұрын

The problem is that's all I know. Just ask my wife!

@hlpang1075 5 ай бұрын

@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 🤣 Will you be so kind to show us how to remove and install rubber grommets? Especially the really hard ones n exhaust brackets 🙏

@TonyRule Ай бұрын

25:48 That's probably more attributable to the reduced backlash on the throttle servo gear.

@DanMotoLife 7 ай бұрын

Nice work, thanks for a lesson 😊

@nicoverduin 6 ай бұрын

i can follow you're explanicion in totall Jim....is there a replacement wheel for the plastic one?.i think you can't do this without any electronic measurments

@taswr Жыл бұрын

Yes more content like this 👍🏻

@575ban 6 ай бұрын

Hello Jim. The side stand needs to be up to do the 15 minutes reset. It won't work with the side stand down.

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 6 ай бұрын

Another Internet myth 🤣 All that happens when you reset the ECU is you wipe the long-term and short-term term fuel trim. The 15-minute idle is just to get it into closed loop for the first time and trim the fuelling. Also, it gets some baseline settings for a good idle. Having the stand up or down makes absolutely no difference.

@575ban 6 ай бұрын

@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV fair play mate. Like you say, my knowledge is Internet gained on this stuff, but I will say, on my 2018 1290 Super Adventure, I notice much smoothing on off throttle response after an idle reset. It behaves soo much better ☺️

@carlhansen8668 Жыл бұрын

Great how you found that fault👍 or do you have access to tech data with common faults? Great to see your videos again 😎

@Kravch96 4 ай бұрын

What if you measure the voltage of the TPS directly using a voltmeter? Wouldnt that achieve the same goal of calibrating the position of the TPS? This would eliminate the need for a very expensive tool

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 4 ай бұрын

I agree with you, but that would be far too simple! As far as I can tell, the value is written into ecu memory during the calibration process. So just adjusting the TPS using voltage in the normal way wouldn't work.

@davidtenorio9429 Жыл бұрын

That was really amazing my friend! Thank you!

@RaulMotoADV Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, and i will go to Patreon. 🤟🏽

@Addnnan Ай бұрын

If i buy a new throttle body..do i have to use a scan tool then allso ?

@jimmcinnes8922 6 ай бұрын

Hi Jim, a few mentions about metal gears ? can you maybe reply and tell us all of you know of anyway to get a hold of metal gear replacements. Thanks

@maximilijan77 Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@__jake46 5 ай бұрын

Hi great video with alot of information! Would this be the same process for a 690 smc 2011? Ive got pretty much same tick over issues and keeps cutting out at lights. Been told i need a new throttle body but im hoping this could work? If someone could let me know be very appropriated 🙏

@ekspatriat Жыл бұрын

An why oh why can't KTM admit this issue and supply the metal gear as a part?

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck 28 күн бұрын

£$ non serviceable £$

@markbranton1240 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video as always, but here's a question, why would anybody design something that sensitive to adjustments? And secondly, why would someone buy that kind of bike if they knew about this situation? Just curious, not bashing the tech.

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV Жыл бұрын

Two good questions I don't have answers for!

@ekspatriat Жыл бұрын

I bought the bike without knowing this issue. It plagues me. There is an other way to hopefully fix this without all the expensive kit. It involves adjusting the sensors using a multimeter and i think millivolts. Also I have Tuneecu and reportedly custom maps help. Otherwise what is the cost of that interface and the reader?

@hannesdobbelaere Жыл бұрын

@@ekspatriat tuneECU should do just fine. just look to add some parameters in the app. i have at least one of the TPS voltages shown somewhere. i too still need to find out all about that app.

@lunarticpickle Жыл бұрын

Hello Jim, how are you? I’m new to this page and I’ve been looking for you for a little while. Thanks for the explanation here, I’m just wondering if you live in Ontario Canada by chance? As I do need the tps setup!

@iant1891 6 ай бұрын

What if i only replace the plastic throttle wheel thing? Do i still need the diagnostics tool

@510TITAN22 Жыл бұрын

Thanx for all the info

@nbtv066 11 ай бұрын

Dear Jim , I'm a bit confused.KTM's repair manual say have to disconnected throttle motor before adjustment procedure.I followed but can not completed adjustment.(I also use TEXA for adjustment.) You say disconnected TPS connector before adjustment procedure.And you can completed adjustment.I didn't try your way yet.But I just like to ask you , did you try to follow they repair manual by disconnected throttle motor?

@paulwhite1977 5 ай бұрын

Do you know if I buy a replacement throttle body would it come with a metal gear or a plastic one, I've been quoted £1200, cant see how its £500 labor for the job as I've pulled mine out in 30 mins ( on the smc 690)

@owh4756 Жыл бұрын

Hi,I got a problem when adjusting the emergency position.The fuse cover on the adjuster stuck with the nut.Any idea how can I remove the cover so I can adjust it.

@pauloj.c6921 11 ай бұрын

hello, can someone, please tell me the reference of the gear? or can someone tell me where to buy a metal gear, as they say that more recent models have this metal gear apparently KTM doesn't sell any of the gears separately. when there is a problem, they simply replace everything. this is completely unacceptable. best regards

@jimmcinnes8922 10 ай бұрын

I’ve also enquired at KTM dealer, there are no internal parts for throttle body. Just a complete throttle body on the parts list…? It would help if there was a link to source these parts.

@Tiger800xr 5 ай бұрын

Plastic Gears on a motorcycle? Is this the Root causes of so many mechanical problems in ktms? Cheaper internals Made in China. Do all ktm engines use plastic gears in their Throttle body's? WAS this made in China? DO the Cfmoto ktm engines also have plastic gears in their Throttle Bodies??

@lold6130 Ай бұрын

KTM stands for Knackered Too Much. True!

@BonesTE450 29 күн бұрын

Keeps taking money

@x1324554 Жыл бұрын

Hi may I ask the panasonic toughpad fz-g1 is which version ? MK4 or MK5 ? Are there any special features available?

@xUnWeLcOm3Dx Жыл бұрын

Hello I have a problem and I was hoping If it would be possible to communicate with you and explain maybe you can help me ...

@OwainapDewi 6 ай бұрын

Jim I have a very similar problem on my RE Himalayan with a Keihin EFI system I have been trying to fix for months, the throttle body looks quite different to this one though, doesn't seem to be any cover with gears behind it or anything, a lot more simple, any ideas of what I could do to solve my problem?

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment. It's almost impossible to say without seeing the bike and doing a few tests. Sorry I can't be of much help.

@ralfgottfridhansson3127 6 ай бұрын

Why I'd never buy a MC🏍 whit throttle body🙄 (carbs are sow easy to service) 😅

@Ian-bq7gp 6 ай бұрын

Why I'd never buy a KTM

@ktm690limited 6 ай бұрын

Hi 🙂 It is not the TPS sensor that needs to be unplugged during the recalibration, but the TPS stepper motor! You misinterpreted the instructions. Best regards from Austria, Martin

@SuperbikeSurgeryTV 6 ай бұрын

Interesting 👍 I'll pay more attention next time I do one! The instructions in the TEXA documentation do say TPS, but unplugging the stepper would make much more sense, given you are physically pushing against it for part of the adjustment. Thanks for the information. 👍

@ktm690limited 6 ай бұрын

@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV You got that exactly right. If you unplug the stepper motor during calibration he will no longer work against it if you close the throttle valve with your fingers. And that is the reason why the stepper motor should be staked during the process. Greetings, Martin

@riccicrozzie8204 7 ай бұрын

There is a better way to reduce the freeplay between the gears.

@TonyRule Ай бұрын

The only other option is to replace the gear with one that is not worn. The plastic gear is a reduction type and has a smaller gear on the back driving the throttle butterfly spindle through its 90° operation. If you knew the gear's module (which could be measured) and tooth counts you could possibly source an off-the-shelf replacement (gears with the same module mesh properly).

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck 28 күн бұрын

@@TonyRule by the looks of it(because can't see the ware on the gears). It is waring from what I can see on the shaft elongating (sort of) the hole, can see the build up of plastic dust. That might be from getting pushed against the cover, but then I would expect it to be more spread out. About 8mins in. If so harder bush fitted or bearing.

@TonyRule 28 күн бұрын

@@ReCheck_WotTheFluck That's not dust - that's grease.

@ReCheck_WotTheFluck 28 күн бұрын

@@TonyRule would make sense. 380p isn't the best for visuals lol. Thanks for the reply.