KTM TPI 2-stroke Engine Bogging? CCPS issues, fixes and modification

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Tokyo Offroad

Tokyo Offroad

3 жыл бұрын

This video discuss KTM, Husqvarna and GasGas 2-stroke TPI Crankcase Pressure Sensor (CCPS) issues and fixes.
Previous Video which explains blocked CCPS hose issue: • 2-stroke TPI Engine Is...
2021 KTM 300 EXC TPI with RK TEK Head & GET ECU Race Kit
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@garthlundquist3623
@garthlundquist3623 3 жыл бұрын
I have over 400 hours riding experience with the TPI bikes and can add a few points. The 2019 bike only has one sensor, and it is in the middle of the tray. This makes it difficult, but not impossible to replace without tipping the subframe and dropping the tray. I removed the cylinder head stay for more room and removed the tray securing bolts. The tray can now be deformed enough to access the sensor securing screw. Make sure you have the correct size torx tool. The 20-21 bikes are easier as the sensors are on each side of the tray. As mentioned, both sensors are the same part number, and in a pinch you can just swap them side to side. We have swapped out a bad sensor at Staging in the parking lot with practice. Order up a spare, we see these go bad as soon as 20 hours of operation. When they begin to fail, the bike still runs so you won’t get stuck on the mountain. The onboard diagnostic system will not tell you if it is failing. In our experience, only the Crankcase Pressure Sensor fails, not the Ambient Pressure Sensor. These sensors last decades on automobiles, but only months on KTM’s. I can’t explain why.
@TheKekke69
@TheKekke69 2 жыл бұрын
I've got à 2019 tei Do toi know if This réf is good for the sensor : 55641075000
@enduroa.k.o
@enduroa.k.o 3 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic modification 👍 I would definitely buy one if you start making them. Keep us updated.
@jingelsby
@jingelsby 3 жыл бұрын
Mate, hello from NJ, USA!...21' TE300i here..I purchased your CCPS Fitting kit and the Quality and thought put into is pure Genius ..Worked out GREAT..Thank you! Cheers. Jim
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback and your business. Pleased that you like the CCPS coupler fitting. Mark
@goodboyringo9716
@goodboyringo9716 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful brass fitting made by you . Too bad KTM did't think of this . Most owners may not be making this fitting. You make some of the best videos concerning KTM bikes , love it.
@mattcrosswhite1
@mattcrosswhite1 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody else makes such detailed videos with excellent quality video closeups on the parts. This is my go-to channel whenever I have KTM issues. Thanks and keep up the good work!
@DennisGarage
@DennisGarage 2 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of content. Very well made videos! As a recent owner of a 2018 TE300i, your channel is a gold mine! Thank you a LOT!
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 2 жыл бұрын
Pleased to hear that you enjoyed the video. Thanks!
@jnavonoD
@jnavonoD 2 жыл бұрын
Hey my wife got your oil change kit for our KTMs, it's a great piece of kit. Thanks for the vid, TPI isn't as good as carbs but it's what we have now. Cheers.
@krp6147
@krp6147 3 жыл бұрын
As usual absolute fantastic video explaining everything that's why we love watching your videos, yes looks like KTM quality control is not so good I hope you're going to start manufacturing those fittings, keep up the fantastic work 😎👍🇬🇧
@waynemodesitt3445
@waynemodesitt3445 3 жыл бұрын
Back in 2019 I made the decision to buy the last year model of the carbueted KTM 250XC. Good decision confirmed. Thanks for all your good videos!
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
Year model 2017 was the last year of KTM carb bikes offered in Japan. I have two 2017 models and no plan to sell them as I love riding them. The TPIs are great bikes too and IMO run better stock than a totally stock carb bike (my 2017 on the first ride was horrible stock). But like any bike TPIs do have issues. I think the important thing is to try to understand what problems there are and as much as possible proactively maintain/mod/fix the bike to help ensure you don't have issues while out riding. I don't mind working on my bike in the garage, but hate having the bike running badly while in the mountains...
@CrTopher_
@CrTopher_ 3 жыл бұрын
TAKE MY MONEY! Excellent video thanks. And I would definately pay for that fitting if you decided to sell them! KTM dropped the ball there!. Cheers
@agee8322
@agee8322 3 жыл бұрын
A brilliant modification. I would be interested in purchase also :-)
@mt1885
@mt1885 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing work!!! I was thinkin the same thing (using Silicone grease) on that o-ring when I seen it. On a new bike always good to disassemble check/grease ect.
@James-vb6hd
@James-vb6hd Жыл бұрын
I experienced the bogging as described on my KTM 300 xcw with close to 50hrs. I purchased both the tray and brass fitting. I installed them. It is a much better fit than OEM. It works great! Your videos are top notch-thx!
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience and also thanks for your business. Pleased to hear that you enjoy the videos. Mark
@kennethsimek8707
@kennethsimek8707 Жыл бұрын
@James-vb6hd where did you order the brass fitting from? I've been looking around but I can't see anywhere to order it. I'm looking for one for my 2021 KTM 300 xcw as well so if you could shoot me a link or something I'd really appreciate it!
@speedshopperformance5779
@speedshopperformance5779 6 ай бұрын
Excellent technical. You are my best teacher..!! Thanks to help with spectacular videos.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 6 ай бұрын
Thanks and pleased to hear that you find the videos useful.
@WASemiHardEnduro
@WASemiHardEnduro 3 жыл бұрын
While I’m sure this is going to be more reliable than stock, I don’t believe the majority of CCPS issues are from leaks - they are from the sensors themselves going bad. I’ve changed enough of them, and heard from a lot of ppl, that simply replacing the sensor with a new one fixes the issue. I also experimented by bypassing the tray and connecting the sensor directly to the hose, and that didn’t fix the issue, but replacing the sensor did.
@MAXlMUS
@MAXlMUS 11 ай бұрын
It is caused purely by the oil fumes going inside the hose and condensing inside the sensor. Simply put a longer hose with an additional bend.
@readytoriderentals6597
@readytoriderentals6597 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your insight and fixes 🤘
@okcmoparguy724
@okcmoparguy724 2 жыл бұрын
Tokyo I enjoy your videos and have learned a lot, thought I might offer advice to help you for once. Some are spraying aggressive solvents (MAF, carb, brake cleaner) into the sensor in an attempt to delay problems or bring a dead sensor back to life. The sensor is potted from the elements, for a gentle yet more effective approach try a heated ultrasonic cleaner with water and 1/4 cup of simple green. Don't submerge completely, hang from the electrical connector. This approach should completely clean the spooge out of the sensing orifice.
@okcmoparguy724
@okcmoparguy724 2 жыл бұрын
To test effectiveness backprobe the sensor return pin and use a DVOM to read before & after voltages with the engine in the problematic rpm range. If you have access to a labscope it would make good content for another vid. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
@downhiller010
@downhiller010 Жыл бұрын
What a legend! Thanks for your help!
@zxcvbnmnz
@zxcvbnmnz 3 жыл бұрын
My barb is bent just like yours, I shortened the hose so it puts less tension on it. Maybe the bending of the tray is putting tension on the sensor and cracking it around where the 2 parts are joined. Both my failed ones are still going after I glued them.
@mmig2116
@mmig2116 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the information!
@MechShark
@MechShark Жыл бұрын
For those who might want to know: the CCPS sensor can get worse than a bad bog at higher RPMs, and prevent the bike from running entirely. I think a piece of carbon got sucked into mine and totally roasted it. Bike was inoperable past warm up. New sensor: bam, fixed.
@rorycarn1549
@rorycarn1549 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video mate. I’ve also heard that every 20 or so hours spraying maf sensor cleaner into the pressure sensor helps delay any deposits stopping the sensor from doing it’s job. What’s your opinion on this?
@anthonyholder149
@anthonyholder149 3 жыл бұрын
Few people have the patience to meticulously explain things the way you do i would just love you to ride a yamaha 250fx then my life would be complete 😁
@cengiztapan2508
@cengiztapan2508 Жыл бұрын
Perfect video. Thanks a lot🙏
@billybobbubbawubba9457
@billybobbubbawubba9457 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought an 18' XC-W 250 W/ issues. Glad to find this. Just a thought: That CCP sensor hose looks like its designed for a high pressure hydraulic system. Maybe the stiffness of this hose is causing the deformation of the tray bung? Seems crazy at the small pressure differentials that this hose sees, that this beef is necessary. Maybe those small wire clamps are not sealing it? This is all new to me..
@iainhutchinson345
@iainhutchinson345 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. I fitted the idle screw you sent me, but not the RK tek head. I have also fitted the GET injection and ECU kit. Good improvement, but I have a flat spot which will get sorted on the Dyno in Leatherhead. I have a GasGas EX300, the only one in the UK, I think.Through the gears it feels faster than my FX350 F, which I have worked on a lot.
@enduroskillstraining
@enduroskillstraining 3 жыл бұрын
Great video content. Keep it up
@BlueDawnEnduro
@BlueDawnEnduro 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I might have a failed CCPS. But, my sensors were fine. It turns out my issue was a very dirty spark arrestor screen. Crazy! Very similar symptoms that is described by the CCPS failing. I learned something new as this my first 2-stroke (I owned 4-strokes before) and I only cleaned the screen once. So it all clogged-up at about 75 hours. I removed it for a test ride and she's back! Used a torch to burn it off. It caught fire like a sterno can and burned for 2 minutes!
@danielwallace2063
@danielwallace2063 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for posting this solution. As soon as I read your post a light bulb went off and I checked my exhaust. The factory spark arrestor was wadded up and blocking the exhaust flow. I didn't realize the factory exhaust had a screen! I fished out the screen with a piece of wire.
@BlueDawnEnduro
@BlueDawnEnduro 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielwallace2063 Cheers! My 2021 didn't have a factory screen. I installed the Enduro Engineering cap.
@jdhart111
@jdhart111 8 ай бұрын
@@BlueDawnEnduro i had the same problem on my carby 2013 husaberg te250 with the ee screen.. or should i say i didnt stay on top of the maintenance properly and tore my hair out untill i saw the blocked screen.....😄,being old,slow,and fat, i now call that experience!!😂
@E63s_Scott
@E63s_Scott 3 ай бұрын
Which bike TPIs don’t have a screen in the stock pipe ? Or I can’t see one on my 23 ec300?
@richardreed4201
@richardreed4201 9 ай бұрын
Hi Mark, Love your videos and hands on work. my 2021 300 tpi is having what I think is CCPS issues, bogging at low and mid throttle openings and can clear with a few revs, but the odd thing is it may not start doing this until an hour or two into a ride ! so being an intermittent problem is strange and difficult to diagnose. I swapped the two sensors around and the problem went away ...... well for at least 8 hours then started doing it again. .
@E63s_Scott
@E63s_Scott 3 ай бұрын
Did you find the solution? My 23 ec300 has the high RPM low throttle bod / jerk kinda. Like rolling off from 3/4-full throttle to quarter it bogs and lurches me forward. I can get it to bog in 1st gear on the stand medium to high rpm really no clue what it is. I’ve cleaned everything and swapped the sensors
@richardreed4201
@richardreed4201 3 ай бұрын
@@E63s_Scott the problem with my 300tpi turned out to be the engine temp sensor , but oddly it did not often show a fault code so was very difficult to diagnose.
@richardhartley1705
@richardhartley1705 Ай бұрын
Cool modification 👍
@wipsomass
@wipsomass 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Any chance you would be able to post up the crank case pressure readings (including your elevation) using the OBDI connector so people have a baseline?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not. I'm using an Athena GET ECU and my OBD2 scanner doesn't work with it.
@davidmills1017
@davidmills1017 3 жыл бұрын
all that work and it could have just been a just a faulty CCPS, nice vid and thanks but to check it is sealed apply some air pressure and see if it holds, that will tell you if any of those point are leaking
@neil4634
@neil4634 Жыл бұрын
Apply air pressure where?
@jbstrongman
@jbstrongman Жыл бұрын
If I have low end bogging can this maybe be the problem. When I first got the bike 2021 xcw300 I could go up steep hills at almost a walking slow pace. Now steep hills I bog down on power if I don’t keep rpm’s higher
@jasonmccarthy3695
@jasonmccarthy3695 3 жыл бұрын
Let me know when it's up on the sites. I'm ordering one!
@maucina12
@maucina12 3 жыл бұрын
Really nice design but i dont think it is needed. I was experimenting with different sensors and everything was much more dirty than yours but i didnt even bother cleaning it, just tried another sensor and it solved the problem.
@NA95187
@NA95187 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2020 TE150i with 40 hours that had a similar issue. Was bogging down low, acting like it was not warmed up. My CCPS had failed. Ran the bike for 1 hour with it failed ( just easily, not hard at all ). It badly scarred my piston and cylinder. Had to replace the top end.
@jamesgeorgevellavella1961
@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. I was unsure if I could get away with it but I don’t want to be in same situation as yours did. Hopefully is good now
@futuranko
@futuranko 4 ай бұрын
I have a new 2024 300 XC-W in the USA (14 hours on it). I am having problems at low RPM. The bike runs rough as if it were cold, or lean. Looking online it seems that for the TPI models this used to be a Crankcase Sensor issue. I cannot find any information online to whether the 2024 TBI also has an issue with this sensor. Also, my bike is pretty clear with only 14 hours. Do you have any suggestions? I would greatly appreciate and lead.
@randytidwell5836
@randytidwell5836 3 жыл бұрын
A couple questions. Looking at the video it appears the bike was at a pretty extream.up hill angle, cant really tell by the video but could it have been starved for fuel? Did the bike bog again on flat ground, or was that the only tome it bogged? You are using the same same sensor now right. And lastly could the gas cap vent line been plugged. Very interested in knowing what you find out cause i bought a Husqvarna 300i recently and its the first bike I owned that is not a Japanese brand.
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
The bike bogged down because of the faulty sensor itself. The sensor effects fueling so I don't think that any further inspection is needed.
@grantwedderkop7212
@grantwedderkop7212 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, great vid as usual. You mention a possible cross reference for the sensor against a car item, which would be handy at £100.00 each from KTM. Do you have any ideas regarding this as we've looked into it and can't seem to find a match? Thanks for any help you, or anyone else may give.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
In the US the KTM part retails for under about US$50. For an automotive part number look down in the other comments here.
@vince5946
@vince5946 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I love carbs, simplicity
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 2 жыл бұрын
We had a German brand of trucks at work with sensors everywhere. There was always something wrong with them. Simple is good.
@tenmileoutdoors2184
@tenmileoutdoors2184 3 жыл бұрын
Queue the "im glad I have a carb comments" Nice vid, looks much better now
@twowheelpilot
@twowheelpilot 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I have a carb. Wouldn't want to disappoint.
@tenmileoutdoors2184
@tenmileoutdoors2184 3 жыл бұрын
@@twowheelpilot LOL!
@twowheelpilot
@twowheelpilot 3 жыл бұрын
@@tenmileoutdoors2184 😁👍
@ryanjordanramos
@ryanjordanramos 3 жыл бұрын
Mark how about the ambient sensor. How will you know if its defective
@MAXlMUS
@MAXlMUS 11 ай бұрын
It's never defective.
@DRTBIKE
@DRTBIKE Жыл бұрын
Looking for some advice! Any recommendations is very much respected! My 2020 ktm 250 tpi 250xcw bike with roughly 100 hours has never been worked on till I purchased it at around 70 hours. Other then a fmf fatty expansion chamber. When I bought the bike it ran perfectly. Then about a month later it started having a weak idle. It would die on a long downhill with the clutch pulled in. I done the idle screw mod in the bottom of the throttle body and got it idling good. Now I feel like the bike is bogging more in the low end. I adjusted the air bypass screw to where the bike feels the best an its around 6 turns out. I heard that is too many an something else must be wrong with it. The bike runs amazing on the high end. Iv heard of the crank pressure sensor giving people bogging issues but it was on the higher end of rpms. Mine seems to have lost the low end grunt but barley enough to notice.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
One possible cause could be the top end (piston and rings) has become worn. 100hours on a 250 TPI is a fairly typical period to overhaul the top end. When you overhaul the top end inspect the cylinder and check that there is no bad damage. If all looks good replace the piston and cylinder. If you have a compression gauge take a measurement when the engine is fresh for reference so you can compare later, especially if performance starts to drop off.
@harleyosterlund5796
@harleyosterlund5796 3 жыл бұрын
Still can’t figure out how to even get to the trey and get the sensor out of my 2019 250tpi. I just spent an hour downloading the manual from some sketchy site asking for 10 dollar donation got 387 pages of words and zero pics. This is getting beyond ridiculous. I should of just kept my carbureted bike at least those you can work on.
@codyjoseph44
@codyjoseph44 3 жыл бұрын
Will you be offering this kit for sale?
@MAXlMUS
@MAXlMUS 11 ай бұрын
The original plastic nose has a bend to reduce hose bend and prevent hose from cracking.
@dereknagy4072
@dereknagy4072 3 жыл бұрын
Nice work Mark ,you should be working for KTM as a reliability engineer,I think I will stick with my Stic module in my keihen 👍D
@ollie6512
@ollie6512 3 жыл бұрын
What is the stic?
@dereknagy4072
@dereknagy4072 3 жыл бұрын
@@ollie6512 ,the Stic is an aftermarket metering block that replaces the stock one inside a keihen carb ,the benefits are smoother / stronger power delivery and your carb is less sensitive to changes in elevation and temperature etc ,the bike also starts easier .I run at about 300 metres above sea level and 5 deg C to 30 deg C ,I only need to turn the air screw from 3 to 4 turns out winter to summer ,no pipe bang easy to ride in differing terrain , I have ridden a mates 2020 TPI bike and it’s very good but as far as I’m concerned the Stic is much better option for me ,if I was doing huge elevation changes etc TPI would be a consideration ,Mark at Tokyo Offroad has supplied a number of these to me ( running 300 and 250 in different gen bikes KTM ,Husky, Husaberg ) and I am extremely happy with the service he provides .I also run an aftermarket head on my bikes ,no intention of going TPI when you can get this level of performance with the simplicity of a keihen carb . No affiliation with Tokyo Offroad just a very happy customer ,been riding 41 years ,the Stic is a game changer ,just my 2 cents worth cheers Derek👍
@ollie6512
@ollie6512 3 жыл бұрын
@@dereknagy4072 thanks for the detailed reply! I current have a 2002 KTM 200 EXC. I have the stock nozg needle etc so as you'd imagine it runs pretty rich. Is the stic an option for my gen enduro bike? Thanks mate
@dereknagy4072
@dereknagy4072 3 жыл бұрын
@@ollie6512 ,speak to Mark at Tokyo Offroad the guy is amazing to deal with ,as long as you have a keihen on there they fit 125 to 300 ( also seen them fitted on retro 500s) I am running the 113A version of the Stic with the white needle ( JD jetting Kit) and they are very easy to tune Mark supplies them as well ,any aftermarket head with this mod works well , I ride enduro ,cross country mostly 2nd ,3,4th ,5th semi technical terrain ( west Australian desert ) no blubbery bottom end ,pipe bang etc ,just feels perfectly jetted once u adjust the air screw for winter or summer , just make sure your engine is in good nick ,seals ,piston etc .CheersD.
@Danger_mouse
@Danger_mouse 3 жыл бұрын
5:07 Why would KTM use a sensor made to clamp into a manifold, and then adapt it with fittings on that plastic tray to suit a hose? It makes no sense when there are multiple pressure sensors available with a direct hose connection. Crazy You could use the MAP sensor from a Honda CRF as it is a remote unit with a hose barb. Almost all efi sensors run on the 5v modified signal and should work with the ecu
@bingeciren
@bingeciren 3 жыл бұрын
More reason to hang on to my trusted carburated 300.
@jasondesrosiers8054
@jasondesrosiers8054 Жыл бұрын
I had the same bogging issue. Swapped sensors and bought your brass fitting. Bike runs great now! If it was a bad sensor, why does the bike run great with what is essentially a bad Ambiant Air sensor now?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Pleased to hear that your bike is running well now and thanks for your business.
@hannahssong
@hannahssong Жыл бұрын
Hello. Recently purchased and received your modified tray. How tight shoul I tighten the aluminum bolt? Thanks!
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Thank for your purchase. The CCPS coupler is made from brass and the nut and washer are made from stainless steel. I recommend using a little epoxy between the tray and coupler (to help ensure it can't move in the tray). Please use some medium strength threadlock when installing the nut. The coupler nut only needs to be snugged down and it's important not to over tighten it or the coupler threads may be damaged. To stop the coupler rotating while tightening the nut place a finger on top of the coupler and press down while tightening the nut. Hope the install goes smoothly...
@hannahssong
@hannahssong Жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad Thank you for your reply. I have installed and also installed GET ECU and GET relocating race kit block. The bike was brand new (2023 300 XCW TPI). Today, I took the bike out for test ride for the first time and I noticed stuttering behavior on low slow take off.. Can you think of anything that could cause stuttering engine behavior? I also installed Idling screw as well. Thanks!
@pierr057
@pierr057 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is dead after 40h... I've cleaned it, was very dirty but after reinstalling it, wouldn't work better... guess i have to replace it.
@Felipefreerider
@Felipefreerider 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have the same issue. Checked any block or leak on the system, and nothing found. Changed the sensor with a new one and the problem still appears. I've noticed the problem occurs whenever I reach higher altitude places. I have a 2019 tpi which only runs one crankcase pressure sensor, which the bike uses as ambient pressure sensor when the engine is not running. I suspect the problem is that the ECU is messing with the values recorded with this sensor and maybe its reading crankcase pressure and using it as ambient pressure? The problem appeared with 200h on the bike. How can I diagnose the ECU?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
If you suspect the ECU do you have a riding buddy with a 2018, or 2019 TPI? If so and their bike runs OK you could test their ECU in your bike. Note that the 250 and 300 maps are different so they would need to be on the same capacity bike as yours. If not then I would recommend discussing the issue with your dealer. Self diagnosis of the stock ECU is not easy, although some basic information can be shown using an OBD2 tool connected to the bike. I have seen some posts of people examining the pressure sensor data (graph data) to determine whether it is outputting data correctly or not. But for deeper diagnostic testing and reprogramming of the ECU the KTM dealer tool would be required.
@Felipefreerider
@Felipefreerider 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reply. In my dealership they are pretty much useless. They connected the diagnostic tool and no errors were shown so they did nothing but change the spark plug cable. Do you know how can I analyse the pressure sensor data? Is there any OBD tool that we can get to do that? Thanks
@vfischer66
@vfischer66 2 жыл бұрын
I heard that the crank case sensor fails way more often than the ambient pressure sensor. Would you recommend swapping the sensors as part of preventive maintenance on like 100h of riding time? Just to even the "stress" on the parts.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the CCPS sensor appears to become problematic more often than the atmospheric pressure sensor. Some have reported that when swapping a poorly performing CCPS into the atmospheric pressure sensor position then the bike develops a stuttering issue. As such my recommendation is to replace the bad CCPS with a new one and not reuse the bad sensor.
@vfischer66
@vfischer66 2 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad sorry if i ask double just to be sure: would you also recommend switching both sensors with each other at a certain hour mark to even the stress on them? Even if they are both still working?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 2 жыл бұрын
@@vfischer66 - For a regular trail rider, no, just swap the CCPS if you're having problems with it. However, if you're a racer I would swap out both sensors at regular intervals as part of the maintenance program.
@vfischer66
@vfischer66 2 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad Sounds good to me, thanks for the information (and a lot of kudos for your general content). You became one of my main sources of knowledge for the EXC TPI models.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles 2 жыл бұрын
We had German trucks full of sensors. Forever stuffing up. Good luck.
@MrMaksatT
@MrMaksatT 3 жыл бұрын
Do TPI models reaally need all those troubleshooting? I am happy with my carbed TE300.
@jswervy16
@jswervy16 2 жыл бұрын
No but we're all learning how these bikes tick so we can diagnose issues with less time
@scottyparutube
@scottyparutube 3 жыл бұрын
Are you gonna sell those brass pieces for the rest of us😁
@user-cn6uu9cf6t
@user-cn6uu9cf6t 11 ай бұрын
Hey mate I have similar problem but once it bogs I can’t save it and it stops then I can start it right back up and it will do it again ? I’ve replaced the ambient sensor side, reckon I should try the other side ?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 11 ай бұрын
Yes, try replacing the CCPS if you have a new one and see how it responds.
@Drewski423
@Drewski423 2 жыл бұрын
After 145 hours of pure perfection on my 300xc tpi………my ccsp finally shat the bed on me yesterday. lol.. mine fouled 2 plugs. Like it caused it to become very rich off bottom.
@MAXlMUS
@MAXlMUS 11 ай бұрын
Fouling plugs is a very common symptom!
@jamesmisiaszek6636
@jamesmisiaszek6636 2 жыл бұрын
I changed my sensor a couple times , but bike still was running crappy at low throttle. Ended up being the engine vent tube was clogged with white watery oil gel on the front of my engine.
@billybobbubbawubba9457
@billybobbubbawubba9457 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, another thing to be aware of.
@neil4634
@neil4634 Жыл бұрын
What engine vent tube? I have one going from the right side power valve to the airbox. Is there another vent tube I am missing?
@MAXlMUS
@MAXlMUS 11 ай бұрын
Power valve vent?
@dusty6345
@dusty6345 6 ай бұрын
Did you ever figure out what vent tube? My lemon of a TE300i is doing the same shit, low end sputter.
@doriskm1385
@doriskm1385 3 жыл бұрын
Nice👍👍👍👍
@TheZbrian
@TheZbrian Жыл бұрын
2021 GasGas ex300. Sat for 8 months. Started each month, but no high revs, just idle. Bad bogging. Quick blips and over 1/2 throttle bogs. Changed all fuel filters, changed CCPS, and cleaned CCPS hose. No change. Any other suggestions? Fuel pump? Throttle position sensor? Any help appreciated
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about the problem. If you have the equipment I'd recommend doing a compression test and also a fuel pressure test.
@E63s_Scott
@E63s_Scott 3 ай бұрын
Did you find the cause ? I’m expecting a high end bog when rolling off the throttle or holding half throttle going up a jump for example it’s super jerky, I’ve cleaned and swapped everything even tested the fuel pump can’t find any issues
@BrianZerlaut
@BrianZerlaut 3 ай бұрын
Problem was a clogged spark arrestor. Once cleaned of all the 2 stroke oily residue it started right up and ran flawlessly
@BeansBikesBandaids
@BeansBikesBandaids 9 ай бұрын
In the middle of replacing all of this, do you know that torque specs for the brass vacuum bolt that goes into the cylinder?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 9 ай бұрын
In the manual it states 2Nm with Loctite 2701 which is high strength, I would suggest Loctite 243 (medium strength)
@BeansBikesBandaids
@BeansBikesBandaids 9 ай бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad I couldn’t find it anywhere in the manual, ended up snapping it off. Extracted it and torqued the new one to 7nm. It’s doing fine so far. Thanks for the info
@ollie6512
@ollie6512 3 жыл бұрын
Ah I still can't decide whether I should get a KTM / husky / gas gas tpi or something like the beta 300 RR... This is essentially a carb Vs TPI argument I am having. What do you personally think Tokyo off-road??
@WilsonGToledo
@WilsonGToledo Жыл бұрын
Hi my friend how are you doing? I’m having a problem on my 2020 Tx300i, it start very easy idle good but when open the throttle for a little bit it still good and when I keep opening it bogs, I went to my friend’s home yesterday because he has a 2021 te300i and we did a lot of different tests switching part like thank to test pump, injector, spark plug and and the ecu but it still repeating the same problem using his parts on my bike. So can you please Giv me an idea how to fix it.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear about the problem. The most likely cause is that either the crankcase pressure sensor (CCPS) is bad, or the hose/fitting going from the engine to the sensor is blocked. Your 2020 has 2 pressure sensors mounted in the oil pump plastic tray (CCPS and atmospheric) which are exactly the same. Try swapping the pressure sensors and see if it fixes the issue. If it does then replace CCPS sensor. Also recommend removing the hose which connects the CCPS to the engine and the engine mounted brass fitting and cleaning them both to make sure that they aren't blocked.
@WilsonGToledo
@WilsonGToledo Жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad thanks for the tip, I will try and see what happens.
@dwayneschneider7804
@dwayneschneider7804 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone know which automotive manufacturers are using this sensor? This sensor is back ordered from Ktm for two more months....
@jswervy16
@jswervy16 2 жыл бұрын
Land Rover uses them I believe
@funbiz99
@funbiz99 3 жыл бұрын
Hi are you going to do a video of how you modified the tray?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
Good question. I wasn't planning on doing a video as I use my milling machine and anyone who owns a mill would probably know how to do the required modification work. In the kit instructions (printed sheet included with each kit) I do describe what is required: "Drill a 12mm diameter hole in the stock plastic tray in the location where the stock crankcase pressure sensor chimney fits. A milling machine with a 12mm end mill can be used, or a drill press with a step drill centered on the factory bore. Create a 1mm deep, 18mm diameter recess around the top side of the 12mm hole to allow the brass coupler to install flush in the tray. If you have a milling machine you can use an 18mm end mill for the work. Or if you don’t have a milling machine a rotary tool (Eg. Dremel) could be used to carefully grind away the plastic." For anyone who would find it difficult to modify their own tray I will start to offer modified trays in the near future.
@desertrat250
@desertrat250 3 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad I've already butchered 1 tray & probably won't have success with the 2nd I just bought. The challenge I found was properly securing the tray as it has multiple angles & not really any good place to lock it down in order to do the 1mm recess.. Look forward to the Modified Tray availability. Thank you.
@funbiz99
@funbiz99 3 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad thanks for the answer! a modified tray would be great or a video i could show the machine shop. (language barrier in this country 😀)
@glenobrien727
@glenobrien727 3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting the impression the TPI bikes are going to be even more unreliable after 4 or 5 years, its a pity KTM doesn't offer the option of a carb. on bikes that are sold in countries that don't require TPI for emission control reasons eg. Australia
@davidtompkins1234
@davidtompkins1234 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a die hard ktm fan but I think I’ll probably give Sherco a try when it’s time for a new bike. I’m old school and prefer fixing gas and jetting carbs over. Pressure sensors and electronics
@moto3moto419
@moto3moto419 3 жыл бұрын
From one shitty manufacturer to another! Sherco are just as euro when it comes to reliability r añd d .
@jswervy16
@jswervy16 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, no one cares.
@baccy81
@baccy81 Жыл бұрын
Question, did you notice a change in the exhaust note when the sensor was busted?
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Yes, it won't rev out properly (will bog) if the CCPS is not working correctly, so the exhaust sound is quite different from the normal sharp sound.
@baccy81
@baccy81 Жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad ok, did it sound like there was a leak in the exhaust connections or like it was running too lean, or like the muffler wasn't properly insulated?
@musicbox4022
@musicbox4022 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. I have a 2018 250 tpi.. one time the bike cut out when I was racing the engine at high speed. It only happened once. It was almost like it lost spark, or had no gas... complete cut out... as if I was pushing the kill switch. I still don’t know why or what caused this... do you think this could be the pressure sensor? Thx so much for your great videos
@JB-th4bx
@JB-th4bx 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a 20 ish hour used 300 xc-w last year that did the same thing, except it did in consistently at WOT. I sold it and decided to stick with carbs for another year.
@stevenllewellyn8906
@stevenllewellyn8906 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a grounding issue. I’d take the electrical connectors apart and dielectric grease them, also any grounds. I Just did this on my new 22’ TE300i.
@musicbox4022
@musicbox4022 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenllewellyn8906 yeah I thought so too because I know the battery grounding issue … but all the main connections looked fine. I haven’t experienced this issue for a bit so maybe it fixed itself. Just got back from Taylor park where it ran flawlessly and I raced the shit out of the engine… thx man
@peteratmore6316
@peteratmore6316 3 жыл бұрын
Do you use the choke on initial startup?
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
I also had a ccp failure on my 2020 ktm exc 250 tpi but the sympoms were different. One day I started the bike and idle was way too low. It would stall on its own. And it was a bit boggy aswell but in a different way. It rode like a cold not warmed up 2stroke. It just wouldn't clear up until it got to top end. Btw if anyone wants to know the part number for the automotive sensor I can copy it here
@tontonn9995
@tontonn9995 3 жыл бұрын
Part number please!!
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
@@tontonn9995 vdo 5wk9700z
@tontonn9995
@tontonn9995 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrejskamla9736 thank you!
@NA95187
@NA95187 3 жыл бұрын
I had this same issue on my 2020 husq te150I. It scored my piston really bad. Had to do a topend rebuilt at 40: Hours.
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
@@NA95187 faulty ccp scored your piston ? How ? Didn't know that is possible
@jonnoMoto
@jonnoMoto 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think was the fix? You changed 2 things at once
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
I can't say for certain what the root cause was. But the dust on the sensor nozzle was a real surprise for me, although as I mentioned in the video I can't be certain that it didn't pick it up when I pulled the sensor out of the tray. As I had everything apart during the inspection I decided that I wanted to try and minimize the chance of a similar issue occurring in the future while riding. As mentioned in the video I do know that some people have had blockages of the fitting/hose, others have reported leaks and many have reported failing sensors, so those were the things I focused on. With the new fitting I made for the sensor I'm confident that I won't have any leakage issues going forward. So if a similar problem occurs in the future I can be confident that the cause is probably a blockage, or sensor issue. I'll make an update if I have another problem. Hoping KTM are aware of this issue and working on a solution because it's a real PITA when it occurs and ruins a good day of riding...
@DeadEnduro
@DeadEnduro 3 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad Thank you for making the video and the detailed explanation of what is going on. It will be interesting to see how long this sensor lasts compared to the original one. I am also curious if the original one is comprised or if an air? leak was the culprit
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@DeadEnduro - Yes, I'll be sure to make an update video if/when it starts not running well again...
@mixalis6168
@mixalis6168 3 жыл бұрын
KTM taske note !!
@Dat_Sun
@Dat_Sun 2 жыл бұрын
My 22 te150i is doing this at 17hrs.
@scottwillard9788
@scottwillard9788 3 жыл бұрын
Where did you find a new ccps?
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
You need one ? I can tell you tge part number for the automotive one. It is the same sensor and it works the same. Right now it is very difficult to find an oem ktm one
@tontonn9995
@tontonn9995 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrejskamla9736 part number please!
@Zz2crazy
@Zz2crazy 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrejskamla9736 what’s the part number?
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
@@Zz2crazy vdo 5wk9700z Hope it helps😊
@andrejskamla9736
@andrejskamla9736 3 жыл бұрын
@@tontonn9995 vdo 5wk9700z Hope it helps😊. Sorry didn't notice your question
@Dat_Sun
@Dat_Sun 2 жыл бұрын
TPI owners. Has anyone experienced a low RPM stutter along with occasional pinging/ erratic top power on their tpi bike that wasn't related to the pressure sensors in any way? 22 te150i, 17hrs suddenly started running poorly. Everything from fuel pressure to electrical grounds has been inspected, checked compared and verified, along with everything in this video. I temporarily bypassed the tray and hooked new sensor up directly to the hose. I went ahead and replaced the ambient sensor, no change. Dealers want to mess with the power valve or change other settings that I'm not OK with because it ran perfectly until all of a sudden at 17 hours. Completely oem bike, untouched other than careful inspection. This has to be a unusual failure/malfunction.
@GnarlyChicken
@GnarlyChicken Жыл бұрын
A friend said her 22 150 TPI was running like crap. Said it was bogging and wouldn’t rev. She asked if u would look at it in a ride we were doing that day…I tried it out and was definitely not revving out and was was bogging at mid throttle range. Initially U thought CCPS, but also realized that she is a very new rider and never runs the 150 TPI flat out in the pipe. So I wondered if it just needed “to be cleaned out.” Long story short, I ride it several laps around a track area, singing in the pipe through every gear, several times (like the wee 150 needs to be), and it completely cleaned up the symptoms. So you can try that first.
@Dat_Sun
@Dat_Sun Жыл бұрын
@@GnarlyChicken lol yeah no that was not the problem. The tpi 150 runs using extreamly little oil and fuel. If it's fouling up at 100:1 like it is at low throttle, then there is a malfunction. But for the record, I ran it full throttle for miles on end. Made no difference ran just like the ktm in dirtbike channels video, even he couldn't get it fixed right. This is a serious problem on KTMs part.
@jgrady7779
@jgrady7779 Жыл бұрын
@@Dat_Sun Did you ever figure out your issue? I'm having the same problem on a 7.5 hour Gasgas EX300. Partial throttle detonation.
@Dat_Sun
@Dat_Sun Жыл бұрын
@@jgrady7779 I am sorry to report after 2 dealers and 800.00 in failed repair attempts, I traded it in for a new yz250fx. I have recently learned of tpi reeds failing with chipped corners at under 20 hours, I would also inspect the cylinder for scoring. Many are experiencing cold start damage that might explain this type of problem.
@jgrady7779
@jgrady7779 Жыл бұрын
@@Dat_Sun Thanks for the reply. I am edging closer to dumping mine if I can't get my issues worked out. Or converting it to carb.
@joelfrancis5391
@joelfrancis5391 Жыл бұрын
Man i wish u lived next door
@dougcook4932
@dougcook4932 Жыл бұрын
Do you sell that fitting
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your interest. Yes I make the brass sensor coupler fittings and offer them for sale here: www.tokyooffroad.com/product/ccpscoupler/ I also have modified sensor trays for sale here: www.tokyooffroad.com/product/tpiccpstray/
@grantmotox123
@grantmotox123 3 жыл бұрын
has anyone been able to identify the automotive alternative sensor? i assume its a bosch sensor
@CrTopher_
@CrTopher_ 3 жыл бұрын
I second this question. May be cheaper.
@tesbz
@tesbz 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrTopher_ 5wk9700z VDO sensor
@ChadPrey
@ChadPrey 3 жыл бұрын
Oreilly is $49, motosport is $46...
@lousplumbing2042
@lousplumbing2042 20 күн бұрын
Bro who are you? 😎😎😎. Made a barbed brass fitting from a solid piece of brass 😳. Make me one 🤣.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 20 күн бұрын
Thanks for your interest. Due to requests I do make and sell the brass CCPS couplers on the Tokyo Offroad webshop here: tokyooffroad.com/product/ccpscoupler/ I also offer modified plastic sensor trays which accept the brass coupler and will have new stock of the 2020-23 trays next week
@davidherbers2683
@davidherbers2683 3 жыл бұрын
Take my money.
@tylerbrown8554
@tylerbrown8554 3 жыл бұрын
You call that bad bogging, my 125 two stroke sounds like a four stroke half the time
@benmartin6476
@benmartin6476 Жыл бұрын
Best fix is buy Italian French or Japanese
@rogermty1971
@rogermty1971 Жыл бұрын
I vote for Japanese. My four stroke Yamaha almost never gives me problems unlike my KTM 2T that requires more maintenance. Last week we just had one guy with a bad pressure sensor in our group, it was a 2020 KTM 300 XC-W. In the positive side for TPI KTMs, when they run good, they feel amazing.
@georgedragojlovic4832
@georgedragojlovic4832 2 жыл бұрын
I need you to make 1 for me
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your interest. The brass couplers are available for sale on the Tokyo Offroad webshop. Also available are modified plastic trays for easy install. www.tokyooffroad.com/product/ccpscoupler/
@georgedragojlovic4832
@georgedragojlovic4832 2 жыл бұрын
I have a new KTM 300. In your opinion should I replace now or wait until it goes bad
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgedragojlovic4832 - If it’s performing OK I would probably wait until you want to change the CCPS sensor and do it then…
@georgedragojlovic4832
@georgedragojlovic4832 2 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad Thanks man . When it does go out you've got my business
@Crazystuffyousee
@Crazystuffyousee 3 жыл бұрын
Too bad you didnt reinstall the original sensor to see if all that work was worth it
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
My goal with this was to have a bike which is reliable. As I had everything apart and a new sensor at hand there was no way I was going to risk ruining another ride by putting the old sensor back in. My ride time is valuable to me and I want to try and ensure I don't have bike problems while out riding...
@Crazystuffyousee
@Crazystuffyousee 3 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad - Agreed, but proper diagnosing is just as important as a solution to a fix. Not saying you did anything wrong but just would like to know if your fix actually fixed anything...👍
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@Crazystuffyousee - I was thinking it would be interesting to perform a full Failure Analysis on a poorly performing pressure sensor so the root cause could be understood. I'm sure KTM have already done this. Some possible causes I can think of are contamination inside the sensor, damage to the sensor package (cracked), damage to the internal structure of the sensor due to stress (mechanical over stress (vibration, or impact), or pressure stress), electrical issue. Hopefully they are working on a fix. I wonder what the factory riders do to avoid this? New CCPS each race?
@Crazystuffyousee
@Crazystuffyousee 3 жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad - Currently the more general consensus on reason why the CCPS is failing is the CCPS housing develops leaks from either poor sealing, or other reasons. Yes, even the tray can leak as you pointed out. And since the identical part number ambient pressure sensor failure rate is pretty much nothing by comparison, it would appear that the "pressure" from the crank case is the cause of the leak. If sensor failure itself was the issue then again, the ambient pressure sensor should be failing in similar fashion, but they dont. That said, when the CCPS develops a leak then it allows oil contaminates to flow up into the sensor housing whereas when there is no pressure leak oil migration up the rubber hose shouldn't happen. And really, CCPS failing is not that common, but more internet hype.
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad 3 жыл бұрын
@@Crazystuffyousee - Yes and no. Some have mentioned that swapping a CCPS (poorly performing one) to the ambient (barometric) causes stuttering. Others say it performs fine. As such there may be more than one root cause...
@rztrzt
@rztrzt 3 жыл бұрын
These bikes are too complex.
@iainhutchinson345
@iainhutchinson345 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but when they are set up right, they are awesome.
@rztrzt
@rztrzt 3 жыл бұрын
@@iainhutchinson345 I'd still take a carburetted bike.
@moto3moto419
@moto3moto419 3 жыл бұрын
Mips and being built by a proven dodgy manufacturer so double trouble for sure.
@leetheriderforlife7548
@leetheriderforlife7548 Жыл бұрын
Just bypass it all
@craigwilson8255
@craigwilson8255 2 жыл бұрын
What a shitty looking design. I hate sensors.
@xXxIcedaddyxXx
@xXxIcedaddyxXx 2 жыл бұрын
This video is a slog. for effs sake mate get to the point.
@ryanlongley5052
@ryanlongley5052 Жыл бұрын
You should sell the components you make yourself they look excellent quality
@TokyoOffroad
@TokyoOffroad Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Due to requests I did start selling the brass CCPS coupler and also a modified OEM tray. If interested in purchasing they are available on the Tokyo Offroad webshop here: www.tokyooffroad.com/product/ccpscoupler/ www.tokyooffroad.com/product/tpiccpstray/
@ryanlongley5052
@ryanlongley5052 Жыл бұрын
@@TokyoOffroad nice one, thanks
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