The Nug King will save us.

Eleven gods to the left of me. Titans to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with Ashe to guide me.

It's funny that in Dragon Age Series there are people/creatures that seem to talk completely unsignificant non-senses, however as you analyze the whole game and speculate what will happen next, you discover that all these non-senses might be the key to understanding everything. The vid was really interesting. The comments under the vid too. ^^

this definitely explains why solas hates grey wardens so much (not so much the individual grey wardens but rather the very notion of the grey wardens, an army committed to fighting the blight). by trying to "cure" the blight and completely eradicate it they'd be unwittingly freeing the titans. throughout the series we've only seen the bad side of the blight, and indeed i never would have guessed that there was a positive side to it! (ie. keeping the titans in check) this made solas' opinion of the grey wardens very confusing at first - why would he be so vehemently against fighting evil? (his explanation of "i don't like how they would go to any lengths to fight the blight" just didn't jive for me. he's obviously someone who believes that the ends justify the means) but this theory, if i understood it correctly, resolves that issue - he's obviously against the grey wardens accidentally freeing the titans. great theory!

I like to think of the Titans as similar to the Colossi in Shadow of the Colossus. Peaceful beings, perceived as a Threat through their sheer Size. Abused and hurt by Mortals, especially the Evanuris, wanting to fuel their own Magic through their Blood. I would not think of them as evil, but as self-preserving. They don't want to get blighted (because who wants to get blighted) and they want to wake up from whatever slumber they are in. But their Waking would mean the end of Thedas as we know it, due to their very Nature as - basically - the Foundations of the very World. ... or I am interpreting Way too much because I really liked Shadow of the Colossus.

Well... that's my mind blown. I've been pondering just what purpose the introduction of the Titans could serve in the long run and this is as good a theory as any. The "Whispers written in Red Lyrium" makes a lot more sense now. I wonder if in a future game we'll presented with a choice like this. 1. Allow the veil to be destroyed and let the Evanuris fight the Titans. 2. Maintain the veil and deal with Titans ourselves.

+iona2225 So I didn't get into this because I wanted to establish the theory first, but I think Solas knows how powerful the Titans are. He even hints that he's a bit jealous of it (in his conversations with Varric). I'm starting to think that Solas would shape reality in a sense that he'd get rid of the Titans. There's no proper way of doing that right now, with the physical world and the metaphysical world separated. Once the collision between realms occurs, there will be people who die and then survive. Solas wants to make sure that there's freedom of mind, whatever the cost. The Evanuris and Titans are not part of that future. And Titans go where they will. And there are multiple ones. Would anyone honestly be sure that they were in a Titan? Also, there are those who saw the Titan and then completely forgot all about it the next day (one of the soldiers in Descent DLC). They don't stay stationary enough for people to remember, and it seems even being near one would make you forget.

Well, if this is true, then I might know what Solas plans for the evanuris is when he tear down the veil, I think he will awaken the Titans at the same time, and the Titans will recognize the evanuris that defeated them and thus they will attack them. I other words, I think he plans to have them fight til they are too weak so that he can kill them himself

Son of a...Ashe: I think you're right...all this time: Our heroes have been USED...

First the Reapers, then the Sith Empire, then Xarnaga from Starcraft, now this. I'm noticing a trend here.

I just thought of this what if a titan was the maker

If it turns out to be true you deserve the biggest award reading 'I CALLED IT'. Thanks for that awesome video! ^^

I wonder if bioware had its own story but then fan theories were better so they went with those xD

So, the Titans are Reapers?

+Ashe | Lady Insanity it's a very good theory but i don't think the Whispers in the red lyrium is the titans. i think it's the Evanuris trapped in the fade There was something Cole says about the Templars that i found interesting, when asked how a Templar feels he says something along the lines of "They listen to an old song and it blocks out all others and through that blocks out all magic." i think that is the song of the titans, although they can probably only vaguely sense it. BUT If you then ask about Red Lyrium Templars he says something along the lines of "They are dark they hear a different song, The Song Behind the Door Old Whispers Want Open." it think he's referring to the Evanuris, who for all we know are still trapped in the fade. on the subject of the fade.... with all we have learned in DA:I and even more so in Trespasser, doesn't that bring the nature of the Black City into question? my personal theory about it is that the black city is the remnants of Arlathan. think about it, in theodosian history they say that arlathan was cast into the sea by tevinter. but as we have learned (and as Egg has said) many of the tales of tevinters involvment in the fall of Elvhenan are made up by tevinter after the elves had already fallen. i think that when Egg´Harel created the veil Arlathan was also ripped from the physical world, and that that is what the Black City is, the ruins of Arlathan, and the prison of the Evanuris. they may even have created the blight by tricking Corypheus and his cohorts into entering their prison and then casting them out back onto Thedas when they had the Blight Update: two things 1) if this theory holds ground, what does that mean for the Old Gods? because that would implicate that the Evanuris used Dumat to trick Corypheus 2) with all the new lore about the relationship between the ancient elves and dwarfs, it makes me question the red lyrium artifact we found in the primeval thaig, because it does look suspiciously much like the end-credits scene where Mythal gives her powers to Egg'Harel. but how and why was it there?

Ugh Ashe, your theories are sooo damn good and I know almost any possible theory and I DIDN'T EVEN FINISH IT yet. Keep that good work up c:

I just found your channel, and I love these vids. Such interesting perspectives on the lore.

SO glad these videos are back!

It also makes sense that Mythal would need Solas to tier down the veil, as she would not be allowed to do it herself.

"Alas, so long as the music plays we dance." That line always bugged me. Thanks for sharing your theory! So many different directions for DA4 to go, I can't help but get excited.

I love your theories, Ashe! Awesome video!

I think that the evanuris created the blight to kill the titans. This would explain why Flemeth guides those who oppose the blight. She doesn't want the evanuris to win even though it would mean the titans win. She sees the titans as the lesser of two evils.

(We have found the dreams again). - is specifically about the Lyrium which is found in the fade. Which means that the Titans have entered through the veil. When you think of it, the Titans used to be part of the fade intrinsically alongside everything else, and the Fade removed their ability to shape the stone. It may also be why Dwarves cannot dream. Alternatively, the Titans themselves may be the first (stone) that has a spirit. The titans are likely the Stone's first children. If Dwarves, Nugs and many beasts came from the stone (As a gift to Elgar'nan - the land brought forth great birds and beasts of sky and forest). So what would the Evanuris be? - Where the sun touched the earth is the sky/air? The surface of the earth is where the sun touches the earth. So the first consciousness? So the Evanuris would be either powerful entities that embued the earth (rests in it)? The creatures the comes from the earth (alongside the plants) are all these entities (whether its Titans or Evanuris or one in the same) they can only exist through other living creatures. There is also the Avvar mythos that matches up interestingly with some of the Elven mythos; Korth the mountain father (matches Elgar'nan). Korth sealed his heart. Elgar'nan sealed the sun into the depths of the earth. Both acts created mountains. Korth also ruled alongside Lady of the Skies.(Mythal) and it is one of her agents (or herself)- the Ptarmigan who found his heart in the mountains. If the sealing of his heart (or the sun), may have been resolved in the same way as the following; "Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!" Sounds pretty much like having delt a blow to the mountain/or returning something to the people/living. Sindri Sky-Breaker, boldest of the heroes of old, succeeded in climbing to the summit and stood in the Hall of the Mountain-Father in the flesh. Sounds like Falon'din (Proud and ambitious). Dirthamen sounds like Sigfrost. The Great Bear . Its said Dirthamen gave his secrets to many animals, only the bear kept theirs. Its also said Dirthamen had a city in the mountains. Imhar = Fen'harel? The trickster of the Avvar pantheon, Imhar is a slight man who must rely on his quick tongue instead of strength. Avvars enjoy tales of Imhar's jests and mockery, perhaps the most popular of which is that of Imhar and an evil seductress. She lured him into facing her unarmed, then faced him with an army of demons. Playing the coward, Imhar lead them on a merry chase through a mountain pass. (Could this be Andruil in the tale of how Fen'harel outwitted her and Anaris-the Forgotten one?)

Random thing, I always bound my Inquisitor to Mythal on the well just because I don't want to see Morrigan being used by her again.

May I just say that I really enjoy listening to you talk about Dragon Age.

your new Theory is rly something to think about ! I was sitting in front of the Deep Roads Lore in Trespasser and was wondering how powerful a Titan must be, if all the superpower Elves only locked them away instead of killing them off. Magic seems a way to corrupt Lyrium as Solas states when you first get to the Breech so it may be possible that the Elves corrupted them indeed.

"Alas! So long as the music plays, we dance." - Flemeth

Maybe the blight is a result of an angry Titan who wishes to dominate the other Titans or to fight off the elves. Who bent the song into a more twisted manor in order to dominate.

Thank you for these amazing theories, Ashe... :D

Imagine if in the next dragon age, they bring back all the old main characters to do one last thing. Meaning the warden hawke and the inquisitor. Plus the new main character. To like save the world. Would be cool

In a general speculation sense, I can see the known Darkspawn (Architect 'free willed' ones?) actually being an ALLY against what the Blue/Pure Titans could threaten Thedas with. Its one thing to be driven into demonic-ish frenzy, but even this berzerking is a boon when facing a gestalt hivemind that strips away individuality. I would not even be surprised if the next DA protagonist gets a power involving the Blight (not necessarily being a Grey Warden, but more).

Actualy, come to think of it, do you think that Leliana's vision may have been sent/caused by the Titans? It was the vision that gave her the impulse to go with the Warden afterall.

Can't remember where I heard it or read it. But Solas was once able to travel between the Evanuris and the Forgotten ones freely. If the Forgotten ones were titans... Are the Titans the Fade, being able to shape and bend things at will. They were able to 'shape the stone'. Did Solas somehow manage to...disconnect the Titans from their being? I have to wonder how he knew how to create the Veil, could it be the Titans were hoping that creating the veil would take away their 'diseased' blood? Could it be that the disease was created by the Evanuris in hopes to 'end the song'? Is it possible Solas was once a part of them - a spirit? - that became 'more human' in order to establish a connection. Like an ambassador of sorts. He could have befriended some of them, Mythal being the obvious one now. Yet when she was killed he banished them all away? Blah. Now I'm overthinking. I'm not even looking at codex's and such. I want to get the World of Thedas books but I need to get paid first. I think Solas is the dangerous one, the veil is what could have isolated the Titans. Tearing the veil may strengthen them, perhaps it is purposeful or not on Solas's part. But honestly Thedas has adapted with both the Evanuris and the Titans. Unleashing both is just dangerous.

What a fascinating theory. I am quite intrigued. In the light of your revelations, I have to wonder about Fenris - I mean, he is covered in lyrium-infused markings, right? So what would that make him? Another agent? Yet he did not hear any song, could not foresee the future... or at least never mentioned anything like that. Hm, intriguing indeed.

Yet we also know how the Taint started- when the Black City was entered physically, after Solas created the Veil- but what do Titans have to do with that? Why are Titans so closely related to the Taint even though it began with something related more to Solas than them? I think there is reason to belive that there is more a reason than simply the Taint as to why the Titans sleep- and how the Taint can end. It seems to me that the Titans are deeply connected to how Solas created the Veil, explaining how the Titans are connected to the Taint- because the Taint is connected to the Veil. This also gives reason to why it seems the only material to consistently defy the existance of the Veil is Lyrium- something that exists both in the physical world and the fade. It would not suprise me if the very act of tearing down the Veil led to the Titan's return. I also believe that Solas knows and has a plan for this- for them to fight the false gods, locking them in combat and removing two birds with one stone. And, if they should be completely destroyed, what would happen to the world and the fade? They seem more a core part of it than we imagine, something deeply related to the basic functioning of the fade as well as the material plane- it may have consequences beyond any imagination.

Can you explain the hard in hightown chapter ??? it seems that hawke or the wardens you can leave in the fade live?

+Ashe | Lady Insanity Following your thoughts, i would consider also Andraste as an Agent of the Titans. Because she clearly heard a song from a beeing called "Maker".She is also bound to her purpose,to bring the Chant into the World. Also the control from the Chantry over Thedas could be seen as some form of "Pre-Hive-Mind".Maybe she was one of the first Agents of the Titans but they where to weak to controll the events full. In the Chantry the belief is, that the MAKER SHAPED THE WOLRD. Couldn't the Maker be something like the Will of the Titans transcended into something a human could understand and relate to ?

Wow... will have to rewatch this when I'm not stoned.

This theory is very intriguing. With any luck bioware will listen to you and run with it.

The song sounds like a familiar theme in Mass Effect...

Great video

Ohhhh... this is good. I am adding this theory to my AU fic somehow I think.

Hi Ashe, What do you think of the idea that the reason why ancient Tevinter was so into blood magic was that lyrium was not available for them to use because all lyrium used to be tainted red? Some speculate that the darkspawn taint was not created to punish the Magisters but simply released from the Golden City, but what if the taint only existed in lyrium before the Magisters pulled it into themselves when the Old Gods manipulated them into using blood magic to cleanse lyrium to serve as their power source in their attempt to conquer the Golden City? The reason the darkspawn first appeared in the Depp Roads is that that is where the Old Gods told the Magisters to go to do their seremony, since that was where all lyrium (Titans' blood) was. The taint was then blasted into the Fade when the Magisters entered the Golden City in the flesh. This would mean that the Old Gods would all have to be agents of the Titans. Maybe Solas Knows so much about the taint because it was a weapon they (the Evanuris) created to destroy the Titans, that interrupted their ability to control their slaves? It would make sense that the Old Gods were the enemy that the Elven Gods were diefied for defeating if they were attempting to turn people into thralls of the Titans.

Very Crazy, seems connected but would that effect DA4 and the battle with Solas in the next game?

Excellent theory Ashe but I do have to ask for your opinion on a theory I myself have had for quite sometime based on the Implication I took from the end of the Descent & Sola's fears with the end of the Blights in general. I believe The Forgotten Ones are the Titans deadliest & most fanatical "Agents" locked away long ago by the The Evanuris, leaving Mythal's elite guards whom in this case would be the Old Gods to be the Jailers of The Forgotten Ones so they never escape, and when the darkspawn corrupt them & Wardens kill them, they would be free to carry their Masters will once again in full force since the Old Gods serve not only as Jailers but also Keys to their cells, and once killed the prison they are in is ever more closer to being opened what do you think Ashe? Do you think I may be right or am I overthinking it?

can you post a theory about the origin of humans in the back of my mind something tells me they were spirits once changed because of the creation of the veil the same way you can push cole to be more human even though he is a spirit

I agree with your theory but I'd also like to add something. In inquisition, when asked about humans Solas says something like imagine a great horde beating drums and singing in "songs" never heard before. Also, when magisters (ancient human empire) entered the black city they corrupted it and the blight was born. So what if solas doesn't actually want to destroy the titans so much as he needs to because their infected with this foreign "song". what if each song represents the consciousness of a race and humans were the new kids on the block who's song infected the others. By creating the veil Solas probably isolated the problem like we do by chopping an infected leg. Hence the reason why he refers to varric and dwarves in such a way like a severed limb dying in a pool of their own blood. It's like humans created a magic virus.

I was skeptical when you first included Flemeth in this... But now it all makes sense; why she has been using agents all this time.

No, I don't buy it. There are a lot of other factors involved. Titans are only a part. Here's a link to my thread, which is ordered and numbered for convenience and ease of navigation if you want a detailed analysis of my thoughts along with codices and screenshots to back up my theories (instead of reading this long ass post) forum.bioware.com/topic/563161-major-spoilers-trespasser-edit-ancient-accumulated-lore-theories-discussions-20/ They are a force of balance. The Fade and the unchanging world. I believe the Titans moved around and "shaped" the world in order to compensate for the changes being made by the Evanuris and Elvhen People who took form and claimed the earth as their right. This brought the Titans to their attention, which is why they started hunting them and learned of lyrium and it's enhancing qualities. I don't believe Mythal is an agent of the Titans either, her plans revolve around what was wrought by the Evanuris and what Solas plans to do. I believe the veil is what brought the Titans into a dormant state. Without The Fade interacting with the unchanging world, their role as Shapers of the stone and as keepers of balance isn't needed. They are cut off from their purpose as well as the source of their consciousness. This is why they haven't created anymore Dwarves and most likely why the Sha-Brytol are so lost and confused. The fact that the breach is what caused the Titan to "panic" ends credence to this train of thought. The Elvhen people were products of The Fade and were spirits before they found a way to take form. Given the codex Old Elven Writing: "Their workers scurry, witless, soulless, this death will be a mercy" we know how the Elvhen people regarded the Dwarves, they pitied them and didn't even consider them "real" people. Their views basically reflected Solas' perceptions of modern Thedosians. They felled Titans before the veil. I doubt they (The Titans) held any sway over Solas or any of the ancient Elvhen. As for Sandal, he very well could have been, or is connected to a Titan. As for "not enchantment" i.e. "magic", it rather seemed to be a frost spell, "Cone of Frost" to be precise, rather than him turning the ogre to stone like Solas did Qunari, if you watch carefully. Speaking of Qunari, we still don't know their circumstances, though it's implied they are a mixed race infused with bred with Dragon blood who were a mistake. It's implied the Kossith, whether a culture or an actual race, were also "horned" and I believe they served as slaves during the Tevinter Imperium when they left from the east, 15 years before the Magisters reached the Golden City. I think they were used as blood sacrifices and slaves to fuel powerful blood magic (as we know dragon blood is especially powerful). We also have no clue what caused the blight in the first place, only hints that it was due to the Evanuris unleashing something primordial is their greed. The Forgotten Ones are also another factor that has yet to come into play. from what we understand of Geldauran's claim, they are not Titans, nor are they agents of the Titans. They could be however, involved in having unleashed, created or harnessed the blight. Besides, if it was that simple the series wouldn't have much of a shelf life in my opinion, meaning, I would lose interest in the lore if this was the case. The song from lyrium is said to be different than the calling of the Old Gods, which is perpetuated by the blight, not red lyrium, meaning the blight itself is of a separate nature. The Black city is said to corrupt spirits with the taint who wander to close to it, meaning it is a sickness of the soul also made physical when it hitched a ride on the Magisters once they breach the Golden City. This is why Red Lyrium i.e. blighted lyrium can infect people "psychologically" simply if someone gets near it compared to normal lyrium, where its effects on the psyche require "physical" contact. Also, Dwarves were created by the Titans and once held a symbiotic relationship with them as Valta does, this is why Dwarves still have a lingering connection, like whispers of something once lost, the stone sense. Other races can only hear the song when handling lyrium such as Templars and mages. The song itself also seems to repel Darkspawn, interfering with the calling. In World of Thedas Vol. 2, it's also speculated that their are a lot of suspicious things revolving around the world such as the Voshai, mysterious traders from the west who apparently are led by Dwarves, who apparently hold standing in their culture and are often seen as ship captains. Then we have "Parladians" from the Boeric Islands, who could or could not have magic specialists akin to the seers of Rivain that specialize in concealment spells that can mask a whole islands "location". The Tirashan to the West also holds many mysteries, including Elves that seem to worship The Forgotten Ones. We have the "sunless lands" to the north, described as a hellish wasteland of Ice and snow home to Chasind exiles which may or may not have formed their own tribes. To the East, the supposed Kossith/Qunari homeland of which we know next to nothing. It is said many who ventured forth have disappeared, some due to immense sea creatures, others due to what they found on the mainland. Drakon's Prophecy seems to imply a war was fought there with tooth and claw, sword and bow, brethren who after a time, could not be distinguished from one another cursed, generation after generation. Perhaps this was in relation to what happened with the Kossith and what led to their "dragon blood". If the Inquisitor is Vashoth, Kieran will either declare that their blood "doesn't belong" to the Inquisitor's people and express his sorrow at what happened to the people, which could also be in relation to what transpired in the East. The Par Vollen Pyramids are yet another example of mysteries waiting to be explored and explained. All of this explain there are still many pieces of the puzzle left to put together and the Titans are but a piece, not the frame which holds it all together.

will you upload the assquisator playthrough

Could the blight be some kind of curse the elves used in order to defeat the Titans ?

:Sandal's diary begins in 9 : 41 , The very year where DA: I managed to kill Corypheus. to 9 : 42 , The inquisition's exalted council began in 9 : 44 O_O

This is glorious. I love that the lore is so deep in this series. I really hope Mythall isnt one of the Titans agents. that would devastate me.... Flemeth/Mythall is my favorite character. I think she is cooler and more interesting if she is in control of herself and trying to take revenge for what happened to her.

Ashe, you've just blown my mind xD

Wow. As you said "Agents of the Titans", my first thought: Sandal O_O

Where did you find the picture of the elfs destroying the titan?

Also, I was thinking, and this isn't directly tied to the video or necessarily backed up by any lore, but what if humans in the DA universe are the result of Elven genetic experimentation. It has been stated that humans picked up their magical abilities from remnants of the fallen Elven empire and it just seems weird that if the Fade and physical world were once one that they never would have encountered magic before meeting the Elves, unless the Fade was restricted to a single continent. Also, Bull proposes that the Qunari are the result of genetic experimentation, so it wouldn't be unheard of. So, maybe a group of Elves wanted to make slaves who weren't Elven. Sorry this comment is so long.

when does kieran mention the titans?

...I think the future may revolve around physically tearing the veil to get enough power to stop the Titans. Or it could just be me.

Hi Ashe, I enjoyed your videos. From what you are saying and I might be simplifying it here is the "Titans" were here before the Elven Gods or the "Old Gods". And then someone poisoned the Titans? Then that could mean that the Titans have different factions to them. Blighted Titans which is trying to take over all of Thedas. And the clean or unblighted Titans is trying to heal it in some way. hmmm my mind might explode on all the different possiblities going on here.

and.. three year we wait for the next game.

I totally just realized that Meredith and Samson have the same sword. Weird.

I'm going to link this on BioWare Forums if you don't mind. This is worth the share.

GOOSEBUMPS

Where do you think The Maker fits into all of this? I personally think The Maker is not real or he was a Titan. You even said in this video that the Titans are influencing the world and they shaped Thedas. Maybe this is why the Shaperate doesn't want a Chantry in Orzammar and all recordings wear erased. Andraste was not "Divine" but was able to hear the Titan's song through lyrium (possibly the corrupted Titan). We all know how powerful of an influence lyrium was in the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Solas more than likely witnessed Andraste through the Fade and still doesn't have any use for that story at all. What do you think?

I dont understand. If the veil keeps them down, alongside the DS corruption, what happens when Solas unravels or begins to unravel it? Start killing darkspawn? A rival hivemind? Start trying to hivemind everyone else? If these titans were around when the dwarves were st their more or less peak, why couldnt they find any evidence of their existence? Imall for the agents tho, leliana was an interestig one.

Now I'm second-guessing my choice to kill the Architect in Awakening...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Solas' tearing down the Veil bring back all the magic? Wouldn't this in turn strengthen the Titans? Is it not possible that Fen'Harel is himself, if unknowingly, another agent of the Titans?

Very interesting theory, although I'm still not sure one can make such a direct connection between red lyrium and the Blight, since the latter's origins are not totally clear. It's nonetheless really interesting what you said in the video.

And all of this wonderful, wonderful lore being held up by a game with such terrible AI that everyone either plays it on Casual or specs a Knight Enchanter and holds down the Spirit Blade button for hundreds of hours. Thrilling stuff.

Now I'm certifiably confused, before it was just an unofficial sort of vague confusion. Best response, just kill them all. So where/how exactly do the old Tevinter Magisters and Andraste fit into this epic struggle if you were to overthink this?

The theory is interesting but I wouldn't go as far as to say no one else can stop the Titans, depending on the interpretation of the player the Maker would be a threat to them acting through his followers. (Like Leliana for instance)

you are usally 90% right so I with you on this.

Ashe.... stop blowing my mind.

All this talk of Titans makes me think of Greek mythology. Didnt the Greek gods battle them and lock them in Tartarus? I also read the gods were the Titans children, which reminds be of the dwarves a bit. It might be smart to look there for clues where this story goes. Also Red Lyrium grows in living people so maybe it uses blood to grow. Some sort of blood magic perhaps? Blood magic can block or weaken your connection to the fade and lyrium can both block (templars) and strenghten it.

So when Mythal slayed the Titan, she inevitably became bound to their song. Did the Evanuris used blood magic to create the Blight as a disease to keep the titans contained?

If this is true then how and why have the darkspawn and the blight been able to halt the power of the titans for so long, was the blight a pure accident that the titans didnt forsee getting in their way or was it designed as a harsh but necessary action to stop them. We were always led to believe that the veil was created by the maker to protect mortals from demons, but now we discover it was a harsh but necessary creation to stop a handful of power mad elves from destroying the world

i want to know about the old gods..

This is a really interesting theory, but I'm not sure that Solas's plan to remove the Veil would make defeating the Titan's easier. Lyrium is used to strengthen a mage's connection to the Fade, and Lyrium is suggested to be Titan's blood or essence. So, wouldn't reconnecting the Fade to the physical world just make Titan's more powerful, since their blood has such a strong connection to the Fade.

I will not kill Leliana just to make her an agent of the Titans. Titans on one side, elves godkings on another and the third player the Blight. I think I understand what they say, We will never prove the Maker exist or not, but Andraste is a different entity entirely. She will be the fourth player and we will have a fatal four-way for Thedas.

wow missed this entirly on my run through. Scary thought that there are worse things out there then the egg wanting to form the World in such a fashion.

This just feels...right

Im going to hope the future of the game that they drop this ideal of a titan, and go with a diffent ideal.

I think the Titans are just one aspect of Thedas who are not disposed to direct interference in mortal matters

solus hates grey wardens - grey wardens want to end the blight = solus knows the wardens need to be stopped to stop the end of the world. holy shit

So to steal a line from coryphius....we better pray that Solas succeeds?

Well this is the first time I ever felt behind on DA lore. Time to buy some DLC.

I'm not 100% sure the Titans are absolutely a threat (unless there is a red one). The idea about them wanting to take control of all people through a hive mind is interesting though. However, wouldn't that be like the Sha-brytol? Valta kind of implied that they turned themselves into what they were and the Titian didn't ask them to do so. So if the Titians want everyone to be under their control, why does it seem like they kind of reject the Sha-brytol who seem to be the one ones still devoted to them (even in a CRAZY cult-ish kind of way)? What I'd like to know is how the blight in red lyrim and the blight in darkspawn is different. Also, how did the blight come to be in the first place? It seems to be some kind of combo of the red lyrim and the magisters going to the Black City. But the details still aren't all together. :/

Wow.

Just discovered this channel, but I was thinking since the blight is a song and the lyrium sings maybe the Titans are the source of the blight, or more precisely their corrupted blood. I'm thinking that the ancient elves made a poison or a curse to kill the titans but something went wrong, they may have sent the weakened titans in the deep and cut the dwarves connection to magic to prevent their minds from being corrupted and solas eventually used this weapon or something similar to defeat the other eleven gods and trap them in the golden city. Eventually the magister came upon this corruption and made the blight song heard once more to the world. Also with lyrium confirmed as Titan blood, this means that all magic in Thedas is blood magic, that's a very ASOIF way of depicting magic, sacrifices must be made to make it work. EDIT: Also, speaking of songs *tinfoil hat on* the CHANTry kinda starts to look suspicious to me, maybe the Maker is the/a Titan, I mean Titans litteraly shaped land as in *made* the land as it is in the present. *tinfoil hat off* EDIT 2: This story of elven gods killing Titans for their religion to get assimilated into the imperium pantheon to then get one upped by a prophet backed by a monotheist god really mirrors what happened to the Greek pantheon in reality.

I'd say being bound to either is just as bad. As a guy who normally plays a human, I'd say "screw them both" and put an end to them both while we can.

I've never heard sandals dialog

Whoa!Based on your theories Ash,Titans sound like Dragon Age version of Mass Effect Reaper indoctrination.Maybe not that bad,but pretty close.No way that's a good thing however you look at it.Then again,there is always a chance that Bioware will in Dragon Age 4(I assume DAI sold well enough to continue the franchise someday),introduce something far worse in to the lore.

Holy shit this blew my mind!!!!!! =)

Does this mean that we've doomed the world by killing gods (hakkon) all the great dragons, dragons in general, and the archdemons? if the Architect was freed from the song, would he not know something else is at play?

Eleven gods are the Old gods. You ever look at this theory or thought of it?

Alright so you basically spoiled the next game where we move away from the 'elven' threat and into the 'dwarven' threat (where DAI moved away from the 'human' threat and into the 'elven' threat). Then I guess I could broadly imagine DA5 moving from the Titans and into something more cosmically existential, then the DA6 finale. And of course there isn't just Red and Blue here. DAI has the engineered Green (thanks Solas) and there could be more of importance.

Wait there are Titans in Dragon age ? Please explain

First btw they just released the goty edition tralier for the game!!!

*mass effect 2 log voice* Indoctrination is- oh wrong game. umm fuck I can already see the colour options for the finale, 1. have everyone listen to the Titans song thus all being one mind now - blue choice, 2. carry on fighting against the blight while resealing the Titans - red, 3. or create a new form of mind affecting lyrium which forces all to be an individual and now unaffected by the previous forms of Lyrium red and unawakened blue (this would also affect the Titans thus making infighting amongst themselves some pissed some not.) and giving a united elf human everything else army a chance to fight against the still mean Titans - green. We need a herder of some sort for the 3rd army choice a shepherd perhaps?