Kyper is correct. Marner wasn’t the issue. The entire team couldn’t score and the entire team failed on the PP. I cannot believe fans can’t see the issue was the coach. Did Keefe ever have this team overachieve in the playoffs? Marner played bad, I am not excusing it. But what the heck did Keefe do to address anything? He played Brodie non stop and did nothing to fix his play either. What adjustments did he make to get the players playing better? When the coach fails to get the best out of the roster every playoffs it’s his fault. Leafs got to conference finals when they had actual coaching and the team played above their normal play. This is the real problem not Marner. He played great when Babcock was here. Fans are scapegoating the wrong person. The Leafs were outplayed by every single team that Keefe coached against. Tampa series needed 3 OT wins and I didn’t think they deserved to win that series either. When the entire team underachieves every year and loses every game 7 you make a freaking coaching change. That or trade the entire team. But we know this is a good team based on the regular season. And when did they ever play better than the regular season in the playoffs? Never. Their best hockey was way better than in April. Every year. That’s not on Marner. That’s on the coach. Marner will be fine. You trade him if you see he doesn’t work with a real coach who knows how to manage players. Trading away a top 10 talent makes no sense if a coach can get him to do the right things in the playoffs. Keefe never held players accountable for bad play and he was the problem Marner was ineffective. The whole team couldn’t generate offense and people think the issue was Marner? It’s the freaking coach who is responsible for responding to defensive strategy. PP made zero adjustments. And it wasn’t just the PP.

@@disinformationworld9378 You're aware Guy Boucher runs the PP, right? Are you saying Keefe tells them to make STUPID no look passes, high risk sauces through 3 defenders, move the puck slowly and look for a perfect play/only for Auston to be set up?! That is on the players - I've seen Keefe SCREAMING to move the puck, they don't. If you as a player need your coach to bring the best out of you, to get you up to play in a playoff game, make you start on time, teach you how - as an 11 million dollar player - to score on the powerplay, to look over your shoulder for an opponent, to hustle on the backcheck, not to make stupid line changes... You're DEEPLY flawed as a player and need to go. Marner isn't the *only* issue, but at the end of the day, the players aren't performing when it matters and changes NEED to happen. Both players and coaches.

Yes he sounded really tone deaf. His discussion belonged in the past. This is 2024. Leafs streak of strikeouts is astonishing. Even compared to all major professional leagues.

Kyper sounds absolutely clueless here. I stopped listening when he said "I was always a winger" yeah your 4 points and 30 playoff games knows it all. Brutal take for a guy I usually don't mind

Marner's contract is a problem but by no means even close to being THE problem for Toronto. I don't think trading him really gets Toronto closer to.playoff success. An inadequate bottom 6 forward group, a subpar blue line, and inconsistent and injury-prone goaltending all have to be addressed.

Kyper has the irrational love for Marner some Leafs fans do

It's become obvious this year that Kyper is shilling for Marner. I would even suggest Kyper gets a % on Marner's next deal

Nah not a leafs fan and I agree with Kyp. Rielly sucked, matthews sucked, and tavares sucked, etc.

You know what would be super Leafy? Toronto gets rid of Marner & Taveras, they both do extremely well on other teams, and the Maple Leafs continue to suck in future playoffs because a certain someone who stays behind only cares about his paycheck and his regular season records.

Ehh I agree marker wasn’t good enough but it’s not like Tavares was or Matthews the 70 goal scorer

What is his connection to Marner? Why does he defend him so much?

Not sure where Kyper was coming from in this one. In the Shanahan discussion he was alluding to thinking "big picture". What is weighing eight years of a failed strategy? Being caught up in the emotions of the moment? Makes no sense.

Kyper is the only one with a brain

I'd be surprised if any team paid him 9mil

confrontation as well, willy n austin arnt much better either

@@chyeaOGKush I don't know, Marner sure punished his gloves, that was pretty confrontational...

A ton of teams would pay him that look at how dumb gms get in ufa time lol

@@stuffnsuch631 Prepare to be surprised.

Every day.

Ehhh I disagree marner is 100% at fault but this idea the other 3 played well is dumb marner wasn’t the only reason they lost but I get matthews is god in Toronto and could never do wrong

There’s 20 players on the team but ya let’s blame the rw for losing in 7 games…leaf fans wanna a scapegoat so bad

Mitch will never be a Marchant. Most will never be a Marchant. Mitch however will get you into the playoffs over and over again.

"Marchan"D", not Marchan"t".

what are you talking about, his defensive play was superb, what Mitch was lacking was support offensively

Didnt Todd Marchant retire years ago 😉

Mitch is that buddy that will get you to the prom, but not get you laid!

The greatest goalie in world can't stop pucks when you have a bunch of left-overs & has-beens as defensemen. But that's what Toronto has had for years since they decided to put all their cap space in just a few forwards. The Maple Leafs are all regular season supers and playoff pushover puppies. Getting rid of Marner will not change that as long as a certain someone who wears 34 only cares about his paycheck and his regular season records. When you finally get someone who plays with grit then the Leafs will win.

​@@gregorybiestek3431Mathews led them in hits. He isn't a pushover. Marner and Willy just really need to go imo

It’s pretty gross

@@people3865 not Willy please

@@people3865 I bet you wouldn't be able to actually find footage of any real hits that Matthews laid in this series. It's a garbage stat when you actually watch the games. His excuse for what happened sounds like he's struggling to find a decent enough reason for missing important games when there isn't an excuse that is good enough. Matthews should be receiving more of the criticism.

Because he was a nhl player and he knows better then you and what it's all about

$$$

Because everyone else is against him and wants to sound impartial

That, and also it's good content. The whole setup with McKee is really quite adroit. I don't know where they came up with that guy, but it's a rare combination. So Kypreos plays the foil at times, and it really juices the conversation.

@@jesseburke3990 LOL He was a goon!

THIS!!! THANK YOU! finally someone else gets it. that mentality alone has spoke volumes like are they serious? acting as though getting past the first is some major accomplishment. smh its pathetic,

I wonder this all the time. "Close" made more sense 8 years ago, when we saw a future. I don't see it now.

Saying close is so bizarre. They are always in the 8-16 team class packing their suitcases

Close was when we gave the Caps a run in the post-season as rookies. Ever since it’s been disappointment after disappointment. Literally no progress except last year and then we get torched in round 2 anyways and knocked in 5.

Close is when you're tampa and you go to a finals, then two game 7 ecf.

The worst contributer has the most points? I'm actually done with how stupid everyone is. You're all haters.

@@stevelouis4664 Numbers on a computer screen don't equal winning. I'm done with all the smart people who don't watch hockey and only see Mitch's secondary assists on paper

@@stevelouis4664 If you actually watched the 2023 playoffs, where he had 14 points in 11 games, you would have seen that Marner had one really good game, and then a bunch of mediocre to bad games, some in which he collected a bunch of fluff points. Very similar to Johnny Gaudreau's 2022 playoffs (14 points in 12 games) where he had one or (perhaps) two really good games and then 10 where he looked like a mediocre perimeter push-over. Stat watching should honestly be illegal.

Turns out, he’s right most of the time

Yes he does and I’d love to have a rum with him, and I’m not a Leaf’s fan!

That's the worst take, everyone has. It's just bad, and not possible. Top pairing, RHD are not traded.

@@people3865some 2nd pairing offensive RHD’s are stuck behind a 1RHD in a good team and can improve after given the chance to if traded. they’re acquirable

What about all the playoffs before last year? Matthews hasn’t shown up ever in an entire series

Obviously. But in a larger picture a lot more needs to change.

Maybe he's friends with his dad

He’s got a soft spot for the kid; that’s all To be fair, I really think it was coaching that was the problem. Less the players, unless they simply ignored good coaching.

54 and didnt give an F about winning cuz this team is trash and losing is the only thing they can succeed at

Abandoned the Leafs and picked a team that doesn't win either lmao good call

it could be temporary. Pelley is new, perhaps he wants to learn how things are run before he fires him.

Shanahan going to step down

Could be same as what new GMs do with coaches…

Why you relieved? Nothing will change

Of course you can blame Dubas lol. He signed all these guys to insane deals.

@@people3865He also wanted to trade Marner before Marner had protection and he got canned. mistake. Shanahan deserves more of the blame anyway than Dubas because he’s the one saying yes or no to the trades- Dubas never had the chance to do what he actually wanted.

He screwed the team over when their future was looking better than it has since 1967. Signed Tavares to 11 mil when they didn't need a center, then gave marner and Matthews their deals when he had all the leverage on their rfas. Couldn't prioritize defense, goaltending and toughness. He should be public enemy #1 for the leafs fans

Won’t but should

Toronto fans are a bit dumb. Publicly exiling Marner like they did Kadri, then they will wonder why they get 5 cents on the dollar. Lmao

it took 8 years to finally play PO hockey for the last 3 games... these guys are bums top to bottom. Keep 34 and 88,, everyone else is up for trades or u hauls

​@@Sir_GodzKeep Domi, Bert. Mccabe, Benoit, Knies as well

Shanny also stopped Dubas from trading Marner lol

@@Nathanielhiggerson66when? For who? I heard that rumour but it was never confirmed.

Wow all that to lose 5-1 but I'm sure they feel really good about winning the wall battles lmao maybe let them win a game first before you look to the Panthers for answers

8 years of tweaks. Stop.

First round exit - AGAIN!

Wilson was a Brian Burke hire I believe. Carlyle replaced him.