I'm mildly surprised they even have humans (however unqualified/oblivious) doing the interviewing, AI HR becoming such a thing now.

Companies want good slaves who are married/have kids. After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

So... Meatpacking at its finest? Different generations, same schtick.

I don't understand why you won't mention the company's name? Criminals need to be exposed.

@@unqiuehandle avocado toast I guess 🤔

No joke, I saw one job posting that basically said "if you're boring, you won't fit in here. Don't even apply." What? Who determines what is boring? Why must I be "not boring" for an intern lower-than-entry-level backend dev position?

One of my best employees was someone I wouldn´t be caught dead outside the office. I did not like his personality, and he was utterly boring. He was also great at his job and far more knowledgeable than me. If anyone ever asked me about him I would highly recommend him and any company would be very lucky to have him. And this is why I consider myself a great professional: As long as the person can do their job, I couldn´t care less about my feelings about him/her. After all I am not marrying the guy.

Same thing is happening with college admissions. It's all about "whether you'd be a good fit" i.e. "whether the sorority girls who are self-important enough to volunteer to gatekeep their university for no compensation decide they like you".

@@alecstahl2387 some of the best software developers I've worked with have been people I can't even begin to relate to outside the job. Good news! I never had to spend time with them outside the job!

it takes boring people to get most work done. I really don't care to chat about what you did over the weekend it.

I wish all managers were like you. Good man.

I'm a middle manager as well and all I do is stand over people all day while holding my coffee mug.

@@josephk6136 That sounds terrible. I don't drink coffee. If I am not working directly I spend time trying to fight for resources, reasonable work expectations, or training my people. Just want to make things a little less miserable.

@@josephk6136 🤣

@@josephk6136 Are you Bill Lumbergh from office space?

So long as you don't dress like her lol

Yeah, that will probably not work.

@@missmansfield6306 It works perfectly, try it. You are the skilled person, they are an HR person or a boss, they don't know what they're looking for so they want you to do their job for them and pick yourself. So you have ~30 minutes to convince someone who is NOT an expert that you ARE the expert. Do you think they will ask you the right questions? So you ask questions like "Hey, I like that your open floor plan lets me shout to the back-end developers across the room, but with the open windows and LED ceiling lights it's going to be difficult to control glare and ambient lighting when I need to color-correct front-end designs. Will I have the option of a separate office where I can turn off the overhead lights when needed?" Their head will explode, they'll be like wow, he's already solving problems I never thought of, and he cares about quality, perfect you're hired!

I am the Mary Poppins of interviews 😂

Lmao, i get paid more then that and its fast food XD

@@MasterGhostf exactly!! The audacity of some of these companies is beyond astounding.

I wash dishes at a STEM school and make $3 more an hour than that... while I hear from students that they keep getting lowball offers like this. One of the students took a job wiping tables because that's all he kept finding and they all pay less than any of the positions in the cafeteria. Yikes.

I deliver packages for Amazon now because I got tired of being jerked around. Genuinely glad it happened, the difference between 18.25 and hour and 50 an hour is what mousewheel you can finance to take to work and what cage you can finance to sleep in. Delivering packages gives me 95% of my brainpower to listen to books/podcast 100% of the time doing that braindead work, I get an excellent excuse to exercise instead of work, I can come home and do my engineering work because I don't use my brain doing deliveries, AND I work whenever the hell I want. Having a brain-power job is drastically overrated. The gig economy is so fucking cool.

@@davidnichol4735 Ikr the media is all about the gig economy and how it's bad, but corporate life is even worse.

Big brains. That's a very good point.

good point but eventually the cats gonna get out of the bag

I actually have a friend with that experience. He was working in the company for years and a new hire left his contract just laying in the breakroom. Someone read it...boom a revolt.

And that is where the no discussing salaries with fellow employee policies come into play.

Easy for any sort of discrimination to happen, too. Everyone can believe it doesnt happen, but i do not believe the person in charge of determining pay is free of all prejudice in every company.

Very nice post thank you!

You sound jealous that you can't land their roles due to lack of experience. HR people are always better with more experience then someone with a degree and "knowledge".

Yes we all know that.

What suggestion can you give to an Hr professional that want to leave the corporate world and try to work in his own gigs , maybe remotely? some side hr tasks or other jobs to convert ourselves and be out of corporate politics? thnks

In my experience, an HR professional who has 25 years in HR and thinks they are an expert at HR is better than a company executive who has 25 years of experience in the company outside of HR, and thinks that makes him an expert at HR.

Because he has so much haters

Because the algorithm favors work slaves.

Truth hurts. Not everyone wants to face it.

FACTS

Agree; he is getting at the subtle stuff that makes up what's wrong; like dangling a job in front of someone - in a twisted way - without disclosure - needing to make the applicant squirm to find the correct answer when it comes around to salary questions; how did it get like this? when we became a "service economy"? it also meant mental manipulation - that we grew to accept? Stockholm...what?

It would be like not having a price tag at the grocery store. [Josh's manager voice] "Oh, I see you have the milk there. What do YOU think that milk is worth?"

Same

Nice

Companies want good slaves who are married/have kids. After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

It always is. Every market needs movement to keep it fair.

@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 No new cars either.

The formula for disaster is ignorance + enforcement

Has happened to me, been offered the job, salary 20% lower than advertised so I declined (twice in a row!)

@@jakien Lower than *advertized*? That's a new level of scummyness. "Oh, yeah sure, we'll put the salary range on the posting, but we are going to offer 20% less anyway" Like what the heck?

@@kristianjensen5877 I'm in the UK and it's the employment agencies who do this. They get a cut if they find someone for the post. Sometimes they even get paid just for providing a candidate for the interview.

@@jakien Huh, thanks. Still a super shady practice even if it's technically "third party scummyness". :)

Plus there's the fact that if you aren't currently working, they probably won't even interview you, but if you are currently working, you're going to have to use your limited PTO to go on interviews (since they're likely not interviewing people after hours or on weekends). That means there is a cost to the interviewee and they have to use limited PTO judiciously or they'll run out before they get a job.

and hoe did it end? got a job?

happens in my company too. non tech or non design middle management are always interviewing candidates for those positions - the people they hire know almost as little as them, but i guess they're just good at interviews 🤷🏻‍♂️ don't work in a company like this unless you really need a job

Sounds more like "how dare you question our obviously terrible hiring practices, we're deeply offended and we only hire people who don't point out how stupid we are."

Not always true. Sometimes they are willing to pay well above market rate (and more than any of their existing employees) to get someone with specific skills. But agree its hard to tell..

@@dan44zzt231 That’s fair. It’s just my impression. I’ve worked at a few large companies, and they always listed a range because they also always had budget constraints. There was only one time I recall someone getting hired with no budgetary considerations and that was a high level exec and they just paid him whatever was negotiated - about 170k. (I know because I was involved in the paperwork process).

I just check glassdoor for an estimate .... if i dont like what i see im gone

Not only a salary range is necessary but also it shouldn't be too wide. They should use a range between 20/30K above the lower end. A range from $65K to $138K could mean so many positions. If a company posts a range which the higher end doubles the lower end of it, I wouldn't have any idea whether I want to stay in the interview process or not. It tells me nothing. A person making $65K a year is a totally different person from the one who makes over $130K a year. P.S: Usually they try to low ball you with an offer closer to the lower end.

i will waste their time by sending in an app that i will never check up on when the pay isnt advertised

Experienced position, Senior expectations, Junior pay, Intern treatment

yep about how half the postings I see for JRs are. 5 years of experience required 50k.

You won't even get an electrician for that.

@@toodlesnoodlesgsl required ads prior to asking for a pack of H1-Bs

then you gotta ask or tell them what you want

In my experience they are fishing for someone really good who got kicked out of the job because his/her previous company didn´t get that one customer or project, so they need something to make ends meet until the next good opportunity arises. Pro tips: 1. ALWAYS ask why the position is open and why (if applies) the previous candidate left. 2. Find out or ask the retention rate. If is high that is the reason (low salary for people in a temporary desperate point).

I think it's because they hope someone will work for less. Have gotten the question about salary expectations quite a few times.

Thar is how you find the diamonds other people miss.

But do you mention the salary range before even moving forward to fill missing resume details?

So how do you vet for proof of technical skills then? Plenty of people lie about their knowledge/experience on their resume.

@@KaesOner Can the candidate tell what might and might not work when searching Stackoverflow? Because that is the real skill that you are looking for and what will get used.

What do you mean by the bell curve model? I know what it is, but I've never seen it applied to recruiting.

@@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult It's a model used to force people to compete by, during their review, forcing a set percentage to be labeled (and rewarded) as failing, subpar, par, above par and excellent. Doesn't matter what the actual performance is - even if you have all superstars, you have to fit them into this model and reward them (or not) according to it. It's excused as being a way to have people compete in order to do their best work. It's really soul-killing lameness where managers reward their buddies and if you aren't one, you get the shaft no matter how hard you worked or what you actually achieved.

@@greymouseher I had a college class where the professor applied this model to our grading scale. Had a 90% but I got B since I guess more people had higher grades...it made no sense.

Absolutely no way a person should be conducting an interview if they don't thoroughly understand what the candidate will be doing.

@@AssBlasster Curving is pretty standard for most colleges. They sometimes impose an average grade for each course around C+B- then the profs can do whatever they want to get it. It can go either way I have aced courses with 50% and got Bs with 90%. In the workplace it is quite dumb.

Depending on the field, this is done to milk you for everything you're worth. If you're a known chemical company, asking for chemical equipment, you get a slightly lower price because you'll be a repeat customer, especially if you're the only one who manufactures that product. If you're a no-name lab asking for some specific gear, you're going to get gouged, rutted and rammed because they don't expect to see you again, and need to make their money's worth up front.

What if you don't necessarily sell things on shelves with price tags on them ? Take the Software Industry, i mean web application development which is bespoke and custom. You cannot possibly be forced into throwing a price at the 'demanding client' because they're running out of patience. A good sales person in the tech company will understand their requirements and present set up before giving them whats called a 'ball park' figure. I agree its unwise to completely hold back on giving a price because you'll eventually piss off the prospect, however you need to be smart in sales and understand that the prospect may have haggled prices before with big software dev houses and managed to a $50,000 custom built solution developed for half that price as they sized up the novice sales person and played them like a fiddle. I would make sure I understood three things quickly: 1) What is their existing set up and what is its shortcomings, what are they looking to address ? 2) What is their budget ? 3) How soon are they looking to get the ball rolling ? If they hold back on any one of these three things its a red flag that I may possibly be dealing with a time waster. Whether I'm in Sales or whether I'm freelancing and trying to understand what the client wants and how much he/she is looking to spend. If they refuse to give me enough information about what they're looking for I cannot possibly just throw a price over the phone, hence why I push for meetings. Understanding their requirements is of paramount importance. Rule #1 in sales - never 'throw prices' at the prospect. Thats low league sales, it can work with cheapskates but not with big players who have serious $$$ to spend. This is where the project proposal document comes into effect. It 'binds' the client with what was discussed in the meeting in terms of reqs gathering, what they wanted and you have gained an intimate understanding of what it is you will be delivering. Once you know this, you give them the final project costings and they must agree with that 'PP' , sign it and then give you the green light to commence work. You only start once you have received some agreed percentage of payment in advance of course, i.e 30% + 30% + 40% or even 50/50. The scope of work will be defined in the PP and during the project lifecycle anything they discuss outside of the scope of work, if they need/want it - it will indeed incur extra costs because it was not part of the agree scope.

i see this with printing a lot, but there are so many variables with print so i kinda get it.

Love this idea!

This would be great!

name and shame, help other people

@@AlegreFranz yes exactly because if every company does that then when you go for a job interview and be bummed off... Robert name and shame the company or else that person facing disappointment could be you someday...

Yeah, this is why you should try and research companies, ones with bad reps like this will show up. Like the company I left last year, they have no clue on the inside why they cant hire people. All it takes is a little outside research to see that they dont pay enough, and have a crappy reputation.

me to . i said sorry . if you want to talk please ask your it people instead.

I would tell them to f#ck off!

Spam him Every time you leave send him an email/call him Make him feel sorry that he even came up with this fucked up idea

@@TheAlchemist1089 it's a woman. I just ordered a Liberty Mouse off Amazon because F her. If want to take a walk, I should be able to do so without asking my Boomer boss.

My best advice is to refresh your resume and keep a keen eye out for another job. Recent hires appear to be getting 'tested' on how much bs they'll tolerate...I would expect even more unreasonable nonsense from your supervisor, especially as the holidays approach.

@@businesscat4435 oh ok same advice though. Yes lookup software/hardware mouse jigglers Lots of other ways to overcome this shiiit

@@pablodelsegundo9502 agree with this

Yeah they'll just put huge ranges, but it makes you wonder, why won't they post it? It's a law hard to enforce for sure, but atleast they're trying lol

In New York state the salary range can't have the highest bound more than twice the lowest bound. Either way, seeing someone posting 30k to 200k is a good way to see if a company is not worth applying anyway.

What the actual hell? If the tank explodes it can't be put together again like a puzzle.

Come both ways, I in example cannot quote myself and it seems my monetary needs or the local market value were not accepted

It's all fields. I had an "interview" for a sales position a few months ago. They refused to post base salary and wouldn't even tell me in the interview because "we weren't that far in the discussion yet". Turned off the call then and there.

@@KennethSee Thanks, good to know. Sorry to hear that but good for you for hanging up. We need to normalize up front salary, I'm sure we will get there one day.

lmao

Matrix reversion is a common one thst appears on job tests. My friend told them the answer is Matrix.reverse() and it baffled the interviewer.

@@justinwhite2725 That's funny cause its probably inversion they were asking for.

@@cb-gz1vl yes, inversion my bad.

Very logical.