The average cuber has never put a hand on a clock. They just talk.

I recently got this and have easily been obsessed with it. Second best event imo

This is just so wholesome. Cubing with your cubing kids is probably the best thing a cubing kid can have

Congratulations! It's a shame that you DNFed that scramble.

@@CalebTrelford Thanx, Bro🥳 But you said reality😥 1st and 2nd scrambles was very lucky, but 1st was WR Scramble😅 After finishing our championship I will send you Scrambles)))

@@MegaMindUZ Just curious, did you use Sheerin or 7 simul?

@@CalebTrelford I have used Sheerin. For 7 simul I should practise. Now around 30 seconds I can count and remember pairs.

I'll tell you when I solve clock in competition with 7 simul)

I'm sure that you'll be able to be sub 8 with no-flip if you put in enough practice (maybe 600-800 solves?) before New Year's!

lol

I plan on making videos going over more advanced Clock tricks in the future. The current no-flip meta is using multiple pins orders depending on the scramble. I'm not very good at setting up Clocks and learned everything I know from other people, but I might make a setup tutorial if I have time.

I don't think about the math when solving. I only taught it like this because it's less abstract than distances between dials. After a few dozen solves, people don't even think of the math and begin just recognizing patterns. I think of M2 as the negative of d-l, but I felt that might be confusing and l-d is simpler anyways for beginners.

Thank you! I plan to make videos in the future on forcing corner skips, but they're easy to preserve if you place them in DL. You can force nonexistent corner skips with M5 and a setup move (in some lucky cases, a setup move isn't even necessary). Memoing M5 first doesn't make a difference, but I taught it last because that's how I learned.

The math disappears after a few dozen solves. It's less abstract than distances between pieces, which is why I taught it.

Carter cubes that's what I thought at first but after doing some solves with it I find that like Caleb says, the maths becomes 2nd nature and doing it in under 12 seconds is so trivial now. It's basically doing addition on the ring of integers modulo 12, it's very simple

Thank you. It depends on the lucky case, but I'd suggest solving them on the front generally. This is because lucky cases on the front can potentially allow you to skip pin shifts in your solves. I showed how you can take advantage of some lucky cases in my example solves video by only slightly modifying this pin order. I plan to make videos in the future going over how to take advantage of specific lucky cases (and spotting hidden ones).

@@CalebTrelford okay, thanks. I will check it and will be looking forward to next tutorial

Yes. I'd suggest watching my mirror Sheerin tutorial.

@@CalebTrelford ok will do

Maybe. I have an ASMR microphone.

Thank you! I have an earlier video with example solves.

Yes.

You can still become world class with flipping, but this probably won't be the case in a few years. If you have any interest in no-flip, I'd suggest learning it sooner rather than later. It's much easier to switch to no-flip at 8 seconds than at 4 seconds. No-flip will make you better at Clock, but it'll take some practice.

Thanks. I turn the top dials with my pointer fingers and the bottom dials with my pinkies.

@@CalebTrelford make a video for skips and lucky cases soon

@@komalgupta4726 I probably won't make one for this style of no-flip because of how inferior it is compared to newer strategies. My next Clock tutorial will probably be over a pure 7 simultaneous move pin order.

@@CalebTrelford wow! waiting for it. When it'll upload?

@@komalgupta4726 Probably by the end of the year. I'm pretty busy at the moment.

I explain that towards the end of the video.

M5 is essentially the AUF for the backside, so you can do it on a down wheel whenever the pins on the back affect all five non-corner pieces on the back. This means you don't even need to have three pins down; you can also just have two diagonal pins down. In short, what you suggested works (though I'd suggest using the ur dial instead to avoid the bottom wheel move unless you really like turning bottom wheels).

I'd recommend just trying to do the calculations. Start by writing them down on a piece of paper.

Thanks so much for the tip! I have actually progressed a lot in a day and can now do the memorization in just about 17-19 seconds every time.

As long as you correctly execute the moves solving the back cross, you don't need to change your pin order.

I have some bias because I learned no-flip before Lou Yunhao even created his variant. I also haven't looked as extensively into it as I should. That being said, I think that it is easier to preserve and use lucky cases with Sheerin. Doing the back cross during corners can also help you reduce turn distances (in some situations...) and even allow you to skip them entirely when the down wheel turn alone solves the corner. Sheerin is also more ergonomic. Lou Yunhao's order is pretty weird with how it solves the cross on front.

If you want to get faster, you should just learn 7 simul. Improving your turning accuracy will fix your problem.

You can execute it whenever two diagonal pins are down, which could occur multiple times during your solve. I changed the pin state so that I could it simultaneously while turning a bottom wheel.

I use tape because I find it makes it easier to get the tensions I like on my Clocks. I don't use the screws.

You could make a different equation for M1, but it's best in the long run to be comfortable with doing edges both clockwise and counterclockwise.

The most important thing is to minimize moves that require you to use the lower wheels. If you have an edge-center pairing, you will want to place that vertical at the top. Additionally, if you have a corner-edge pairing, you will want to place that in the lower left corner to preserve it. There's more you can do, but if you are at the point with Sheerin where you are thinking about ways to further optimize it, I would suggest that you instead learn 7 simul.

I wouldn’t have ever become sub 7 in Clock without no-flip. I switched to it at about the same speed as you. No-flip made Clock so much more fun for me. The earlier you learn it, the easier it is.

I recommend starting in the position that allows for the most efficient solution.

This works! Just make sure that you do the back moves on the correct down wheels.

@@CalebTrelford thanks

Yep. Pinkies are goated.

You are messing up the M5 calculation.

This aged perfectly lmfao

@@JudeStradtner LMFAOOOOOO THATS CRAZY (I’m getting a clock for my bday so ima relearn it lol)

@@Dumbledorf1234 bro don’t you already have a clock??

@@JudeStradtner I traded it away at nats lul

I’m getting a new clock soon so clock grind is gonna go hard

You're making a mistake when calculating M5.

Just learn 7 simul. In my opinion, it isn't worth using Sheerin anymore at a high level, even with tricks. There are many more tricks and optimizations for 7 simul anyway.

Think of M5 as the ALL move on the backside. Execute it when all five clocks making up the back cross will be affected.

Ahhh thanks that make sense

> is the 12 o clock position considered 12 during inspection? or 0 It doesn't matter as long as it's a multiple of 12. Both 0 and 12 work. > if theres an X-X=0 during inspection, do i use zero for the execution? Yes. > also for some reason whenever i attempt, the backside cross is always made, but off by 1 from 12 o clock, but all the corners are at 12 , do you know where i am going wrong in my memo, or execution? You're messing up M5, probably in execution. Being off by one is commonly the result of mistakes in execution. Try to be more careful in turning the correct amount.

Thanks man, just one more thing, should I execute m5 at The very start of the solve like you showed in the video, or does it really matter?

@@danielahokas8085 Do it the way that's most comfortable for you. As long as do it on the back while at least 2 diagonal pins are down, it works. Think of it as setting up the cross on back to 12.

Learn it as soon as you feel comfortable. 12 seconds isn't too early to start.

I mean no flip methods

@@CubiiVerse0422 7 simul is the best. Tommy and I have tutorials that can introduce you to it.

No. You can modify the pin order however you like as long as the back still gets solved. You could even try modifying the memo order.

How did you get M3=1? That's incorrect. The rest of your solution seems fine though.

@@CalebTrelford Oh, lol. Sorry, I miscalculated. Thank you!

@@JudeStradtner Was that your only error? If so, I'd recommend that you just keep practicing. Over time, your DNF rate will go down (assuming that you are counting DNFs and trying to improve).

@@CalebTrelford Yes, that was my only error. I am counting DNFs and trying to improve. I intend to use this as my main method.

@@CalebTrelford Sorry to bother you again, but I'm still having issues. I have done about 12 solves and every one of them has been a DNF by 2 moves: A DL move and a UR move. Any idea where I'm messing up?

It happens in many scrambles, that is why I dear to ask you for help

I honestly don't know what you did wrong for that first side. Your memo is correct except for M1, which should be +5 instead of +4. Maybe you just misscrambled? If you can't figure it out from this, please provide another scramble as an example.

@@CalebTrelford thanks!!! It worked. Turns out that when I had - 7 and +7 I was using +4 and - 4 instead of using +5 and - 5,just like in the memo I sent you!!. Thanks Caleb!!

The calculations are the same. You just execute them in a different order.

@@CalebTrelford alright

You're messing up the M5 calculation.

Thanks!@@CalebTrelford

Doing slow solves where you deliberately try to do "perfect" simul terms is the best way to improve on them. You could also use a simultaneous move scramble generator to practice them while scrambling. I could post one in the comments if you'd like.

​@@CalebTrelfordCould you share your simultaneous move scramble generator with us?

@@paisisspeedcuber7445 I could, but Josh has a simul move scramble generator with more features that is also easier to use. github.com/JoshM2/cstimer-7-simul-scrambles

@@CalebTrelford I downloaded that scramble generator and according to the download description I noticed that all the letters before the two dashes is the scramble, and I know each number that corresponds to each letter but I don't know how to apply it to execute the scramble, could you help me?

​@@paisisspeedcuber7445 You can use any 7 simul pin order to scramble it. Be consistent with which pairs correspond to which moves.

I recently did an attempt but all the edges on the other side were facing 6, while the corners were solved.

You just need to make sure that the cross gets solved on the back. Execute the moves solving the back cross like I did. Don't mess up the cross on the back while solving the front.

@@xelaCUBING You probably messed up the M5 calculation or did a later move that messed up the alignment of the back cross.

There's this Google Document, which teaches a slightly different variant than the one shown in this video: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feaxLHMJvxfLrCh5aJ_KdHQZHrDalFkzrxqaxb_b9Sw/

1. Yes. 2. It's just how Sheerin works. You don't have to do this, but you'd need to change the calculations to do it differently. This is not the most efficient way to do things (the most efficient way is the way that 7 simul does it). 3. Yes. There are of course intuitive tricks to make your solutions better, but they're not really worth exploring anymore with 7 simul around. If your goal is speed, you should learn 7 simul.

@@CalebTrelfordthank you so much for your responses and time. I was able to solve it correctly but the corners on the back remained unsolved. But tried a few more times and yes it did work like a charm. I was messing something up earlier. Appreciate your response bro.

After practicing some more I noticed that in most cases when I complete the solve my entire clock is solved but my back side cross is not correctly oriented to 12 and in some cases I noticed that the clock is solved but the back side corners or cross are off by 6. I wanted to know in which step during the exe I might be going wrong as I am seeing a pattern here, just not able to figure out in which step I am missing a key part of orientation as in these solves the cross/corners are solved relative to each other on the back just not oriented to 12. Thanks as always

@@ItsCubeRunner You're messing up the M5 calculation.

@@CalebTrelfordthanks ill be on the lookout for this. Appreciate your response as always

You're likely messing up M5.

You can definitely sub 5 with Sheerin, but it would be much easier and quicker to get sub 5 with 7 simul.

Think of M5 as the ALL move for the back. It sets up the cross on the back to align to twelve. You can perform M5 on a wheel next to a pin that is down when all 5 clocks making up the cross on the back will be effected.

@@CalebTrelford Thank you for the clarification!

Both work.

OK thank you

If you ever want to learn no-flip, you should start now. It's easier to switch at 9 seconds than at 4 seconds.

Would it be better to learn No flip or 7 simul

@@Clock2x2person Both Sheerin and 7 simul as taught on my channel are no-flip variants. Sheerin is less efficient and worse, but it's easier and a more fun introduction to no-flip. 7 simul is harder, but it's significantly better. I'd recommend that you learn Sheerin and move on to 7 simul once you start getting successes consistently with Sheerin.

@@CalebTrelford thank you!

Sorry for the late response. Yes. The majority of people do this, but I never did.

@@CalebTrelfordcan you memo m5 first and if so how do you

@@KidDoesCubing Yes, but you'll still need to calculate M4 before it. The calculation for M5 is the same.

Ok cool is there a way to do m5 visually

@@KidDoesCubing Yeah. Just do the calculation but with visuals instead of math. I just glance at the puzzle and automatically calculate it.

In Sheerin, you mainly solve the cross on the back while solving the corners on the front. This typically takes 5 simul moves and 4 regular moves, but with tricks you can do it with 6 simul moves. In Lou, you mainly solve the cross on the back while solving the cross on the front. With 7 simul, you always solve the puzzle in 7 simul moves. You solve both sides at the same time. 7 simul no-flip is objectively the best method.

@@CalebTrelford Thanks that helped alot👍👍

I'll try to upload some videos later this month going over more advanced tricks. No promises though.

You messed up M5.

Ok

Turn the wheel next to a pin that is down when at least UL and DR or UR and DL are down.

I have a written tutorial in the description.

thank you so much for sharing this tutorial, if i had only one clock tutorial for no flip, it would be this one, 10/10 recommend well deserved @@CalebTrelford 👏Ps.Im going to the same comp as you soon :)

i finally know how to do the sheerin method, but i always either have at least two cross pins misaligned, or all of them are aligned together, but not at the 12 o clock after execution, how do i fix this?

@@CubinglordXd For the second problem, it sounds like you are making a mistake when calculating M5.

oh thats very helpful thank you so much@@CalebTrelford

The optimal no-flip method (by today's meta) is being competent in multiple pin orders and using a setup move and M5 to solve at least one corner. I expect more tricks to be found in the future though.

@@CalebTrelford clock is progressing so fast i remember a couple months ago when the meta was just 'turn fast and don't pause'

I'm currently in the process of switching.

Are you consistently DNFing in the same way? Keep in mind that it's normal to get very few if any successes at first. I'd recommend double and triple checking your memo. Try writing the calculations out on paper.

In competition today, I used this version of no-flip. However, 7 simul is better, and I'm in the process of switching to it. My written tutorial is as follows: For memo, I memorize three pairs. I use x2 flips for memo. **First Pair**: the first part of the first pair: c-d second part of the first pair: (dr-r) + (U-L) Every number from 1 to 12 (0) I have assigned a letter from A through L. For example, if my first part calculation is 3 and my second part calculation is 4, my letter pair I'd memo would be CoD. **Second Pair**: You don't really have to memo a full pair for this (you only need to memo the move on the back). However, I memo the full pair to keep consistency in my memo. first part: L-U second part: d-r This pair is a little weird. To minimize flips, the first part is actually the second part in execution. For example, if this pair were 3 and 4, I would memo DiCe. **Third Pair**: This one's pretty difficult to get the hang of, but it's worth it for ensuring that you get optimal pin transitions in your solve. It's not too difficult after a lot of practice. You can also do this one like the second pair where you memo the second part first and then flip the memo to minimize flips but that's not how this is handled if you plan on one looking in the future. For the calculation, make sure that you are paying respect to the "real" values of the clock faces. For example, if the red mark for 12 is at the bottom, then the top is 6, not 0 or 12. first part: (UR-U) + (C-D) + DL + l + r second part: u-c+d + (UL-L) + (DR-R) **Execution**: The way I execute my pairs is I do the initial letter on the left side and the final letter on the right side. dl: do the first pair you memorized; for example, for CoD I would do +3 with the DL wheel and +4 with the UR wheel R: do the second pair you memorized DR: solve UL and C relative to L and U \ : do the third pair you memorized UL: solve the 2x2 (comprised of UL, U, L, and C) and DL to D L: solve the 2x3 and DR to R ur: solve all to 12

wow that’s a lot 😂 i might just stick with no flip for now

@@brawlstar6937 Good luck! Feel free to ask me any questions.

M5 is the first number you execute on the back. Think of it as the AUF move on the back side. The other numbers you need to execute in the same ways I did in the video. In every solve, you can execute the numbers you memorized in the same order. For reducing your inspection time, I'd recommend that you stop thinking of the math and just visualize the differences between the clocks.

@@CalebTrelford But how do you know where to execute M5?

@@mrcubes2227 I’m not sure if I quite understand your question. You can execute M5 whenever at least two diagonal pins are down using a wheel that moves the back side.

@@CalebTrelford I'm just saying is there a certain spot you execute m5 or can you execute it anywhere when 2 diagonal pins are down using a wheel that turns the back side.

@@mrcubes2227 You can execute it anywhere, but I would recommend using an upper wheel to avoid regripping.

It shouldn't matter. Both work.

Thanks.

Many people have just completely skipped learning Sheerin and had no problem learning 7 simul. You could honestly try that.

@@CalebTrelford I found 7simul memo to be super difficult because I had no experience with no-flip memo before. I’m using Sheerin now and I’ve done about 200 solves and average sub-9. I’ll probably keep going with Sheerin until I get really comfortable with memo

@@JudeStradtner I still think that you should switch. Try using Josh's trainer to practice your 7 simul memo.

For the sake of simplicity, just use the same pin order that I use. You do not have to do this though.

I have a comp in a month

It obviously depends on how much you practice, but getting under 9 or even 8 seconds shouldn't be too difficult.

@@CalebTrelford thank you I practice like 2-3 hours a day

It would make practicing Clock much more fun, but it would take a few thousand solves to get back to averaging just sub 6.

@@CalebTrelford hmm, ok. Are pinky turns for D layer necessary? I could get those solves done in just a couple weeks.

@@jaycalter-speedcuber8472 They're not necessary. I was the only world-class solver who did them for a while. However, more people are experimenting with them now. Good luck.

@@CalebTrelford hmm, ok