How do great golfers become so skilled at ball striking? Is it Option "A"... or Option "B"???

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LearnTheRealSwing

LearnTheRealSwing

Күн бұрын

The most frustrating thing for me is to watch golfers who would like to have consistently solid contact and reasonably accurate ball flight endlessly barking up the wrong tree believing that they have to turn themselves into bio-mechanical "golfing machines" that move through all the right "positions" to get it.
So just how is consistent contact and consistent, reasonably consistent ball flight achieved? And how is it that golfers who achieve and elite level of ball striking skill are able to do what they do? How did they learn it?
I believe there are two options: Option "A" is a perception that exists in the Golf Culture in every nation on earth where golf is played that great players have figured out how to move their various body parts so as to CAUSE the swinging of the club. This perception is especially prevalent in the modern golf instruction industry. Hence the endless "swing" analysis where great player's "swings" are put on computer screens and all kinds of lines and arrows drawn all over them, pointing out every move them make. Then, the claim is made that these great players contact the ball precisely in the middle of the club face with the club face consistently square at impact BECAUSE of how their bodies move.
As you will see in this video, nothing could be further from the truth...

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@MNoel-kd9hm
@MNoel-kd9hm 8 жыл бұрын
Golf industry definitely needs people like you! Congratulations for your fantastic work!
@justjames1111
@justjames1111 5 жыл бұрын
What the world needs is more people like you Ron, good man.
@jacquestaulard3088
@jacquestaulard3088 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct, sir! And, of all people, the grest and lamented Moe Norman, insisted that his clubhesd was 18" durectly behind the ball on its wat to 18" in front of the ball! My guess is that this is poetic "Moespeak" because that cannot happen. He added that he put a tee behind and ahead at those 18" spots and practiced for hours. "Feelingofgreatness... Feelingofgreatness. Onlygolferintheworldwhohasthe Feelingofgreatness!" You may have known Moe,so maybe you can comment
@DetVen
@DetVen 9 жыл бұрын
These young men just got the best golf lesson of their lives...lucky guys!
@JuliusHiiden
@JuliusHiiden 9 жыл бұрын
Dear Ron, great to see your new videos. Your swing thoughts helped me a lot and my HCP lowered to 10 this year.
@PaulBogdanovic
@PaulBogdanovic 5 жыл бұрын
Just played lights out using your approach!!!! Thank you so much!!!!
@robertpage4991
@robertpage4991 6 жыл бұрын
I have just discovered your channel. Wish I lived in Calgary. Alas I’m in Brisbane, a third of the way around the world. It’s that 19th Century Mechanistic Paradigm verses Holism all over again. You have deep and intrinsic understanding, and super intelligence to boot
@LearnTheRealSwing
@LearnTheRealSwing 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert and thanks for the kind compliments. I was in Brisbane on vacation back in 1988 so you just missed me by 30 years! Actually, I was only two years into my golf teaching career at that point so I might not have been much help. I do have a DDV (Digital Download Video) for sale which you will find here: www.realswinggolf.com/contact-form-6/index.php And although we are thousands of miles apart, I can still teach you live via FaceTime or Skype video. You can find out about the live online coaching that I do here: www.realswinggolf.com/styled-8/Lessons.html Glad to help out any way I can. All the best...
@maxxsee
@maxxsee 9 жыл бұрын
"yeah, that's kind of what I think too" Love the sarkasm attitude :D
@Nutflash1978
@Nutflash1978 5 жыл бұрын
what a great teacher, really enjoyed this
@brittain522
@brittain522 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, you make a lot of sense! I like your style, thanks a lot!
@gordonjarvis6217
@gordonjarvis6217 8 жыл бұрын
Yes the club face is on an arc. Yes you can't defy physics. However you can get the clubface to have a reduced rate of closure and reduced rate of flip so that there are minimal changes through the impact zone. Johnny felt that and he described it as it staying square down the line. Feel isn't real but he was on to something. Kelvin Miyahira's research shows this stuff.
@hartnettchristopher
@hartnettchristopher 8 жыл бұрын
Gordon, I'm a big Kelvin follower/disciple but I think Ron is on to something too. Understanding the biomechanics can help diagnose flaws but allowing those positions to occupy the conscious can sacrifice the true skill of hand eye coordination. Sure the goal unconscious competence is ultimately what Kelvin would like to achieve but how long would it take a 15-20 handicap to get there and develop consistency in their game? Potentially, even before such competence can be achieved, the fundamental understanding of the club head and honing ones hand eye coordination would better allow the moves to take said golfer to another level. Kelvin bases his belief in the athletic golf swing developed by "thorough breds" as he would say, but those players first focus was purring balls not where their body is located. I would argue that it's a combination of the two. Both point out that modern golf instruction is leading most astray outside of the few who have already demonstrated innate ability
@gordonjarvis6217
@gordonjarvis6217 8 жыл бұрын
You asked a question there. How long would a 15-20 handicap to get there and develop consistency in their game.. Get where?
@GC-hw9ju
@GC-hw9ju 5 жыл бұрын
@@gordonjarvis6217 Gordon I am a big follower of Kelvins teachings as well. I use Kelvins moves. I am a scratch that drives the ball 320 to 330. Ron is definitely correct. If you develop the hand eye you can implement Kelvins moves. However if your hand eye has not been developed Kelvins moves wont help.
@styofwye
@styofwye 5 жыл бұрын
You would make an excellent hypnotist. You have the calm casual manner. Maybe that's a golf avenue or fairway to explore 🤔 👍
@styofwye
@styofwye 5 жыл бұрын
B for sure, although I failed spelling in the junior school and was put in a special class with some strange kids. That kick started my learning I'll tell you! What do I win for being write 😉
@TRRyan
@TRRyan 8 жыл бұрын
Why is it that after hitting a bad shot in a practice round, we put down another ball and hit it well 9x out of 10? It's because now we're under no pressure. We knew how to hit the shot the first time, but now our nerves don't get in the way. Any action becomes difficult when there's pressure involved or money riding on it. (Ever audition for a big part in a movie worth millions if you land it, and nothing if you don't? Talk about nerves!) If this teacher is so good, why isn't he getting rich and famous on the tour? He hates money? The shy and retiring type? I'm betting his short game breaks down under pressure. Unless somebody has a killer instinct, and can control their emotions under pressure most of the time, no natural ability is enough to become a consistent winner, even in a friendly $2 Nassau. In golf, where there's so much time standing around thinking about the next shot, it's far more of a mental challenge to perform well than a physical one. Even world-class players choke.
@sweetswing1
@sweetswing1 5 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old post but I just found this. First, he is a teacher, not a pro player. We don't know that that was ever an aspiration of his. That said, I generally agree. Pressure is the the biggest reason for failure of high level athletes. There are loads of guys and gals that can do it in a practice round but not when it counts. I have some ideas as to how to deal with pressure much better than current advice but it's not tested yet. I will be doing some testing this coming golf season to see if I'm correct. First on myself and then others. Do you have any ideas as how high level players could deal with it better?
@Moishe555
@Moishe555 5 жыл бұрын
You could say that about every teacher
@numcrun
@numcrun 5 жыл бұрын
I reckon another way of putting this is that you can't rely on a pretty golf swing to hit the ball well. You need to really focus on the club head position and orientation as well.
@tinafeyalien
@tinafeyalien 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely something in this. Look at Colin Montgomerie. European Order of Merit leader 6 years in a row. Yet a swing that was totally idiosyncratic and unteachable. He had a coach but basically he was just there to blow smoke.
@keviniwankow8294
@keviniwankow8294 Жыл бұрын
Read Trevinos book he figured out how to keep the face moving DTL longer than anyone you teach what he calls The Rim Swing
@plus2golfer12
@plus2golfer12 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ron I've worked on robotic technique for 15 years... I'm only a +2 hc...im about to change it all to your swing wink wink ha ha
@adatshhc
@adatshhc 8 жыл бұрын
correct me if I am wrong, but don't most golfers instinctively start their swings with the upper body when they are first beginning? Then hopefully a good instructor intervenes and teaches proper sequence. I believe what you are saying is true. However I think that it is useful only after a sound, (not necessarily perfect) mechanics are acquired. IMO
@589supra
@589supra 8 жыл бұрын
+AD mobile yea, i agree. i figured out the secrets by studying and watching and interpreting and its truly mind blowing. but basic fundamentals are needed to be able to get to this new level. its like going from good striker to master striker.
@fontking1a
@fontking1a 6 жыл бұрын
A + B = C where C is a (C)ombination of A and B.
@mikeobrien1559
@mikeobrien1559 5 жыл бұрын
If Johnny Miller is wrong, how is it I can hit three golf balls, on a straight line, about eight inches long, with one swing? The golf swing is not a circle. If the club is going in one path while the hand path is going in a differing path, there will be a flat spot.
@FredCDobbs-er4qd
@FredCDobbs-er4qd 9 жыл бұрын
Hello Ron, I do not doubt that you are a good golfer. When you hit a shot while running up to the ball I see it as a perfect example that how you address a ball is not a fundamental. Other guys can hit it kneeling, sitting and whatever else. It proves beyond doubt that there is no reason that every golfer should stand at address in the same manner. What matters most is that you are comfortable, not unnaturally contorted, which is what happens when most folks try to do what they just saw on KZfaq. If you can easily toss a wad of paper into a waste basket which is 5 feet away, you have all of the ability that is needed to play good golf. Now, think about what I just said. Go about hitting a golf ball with the same mental attitude that you had tossing the wad of paper. Forget about what your feet are doing and what your arms, knees, hips, shoulders and anything else are doing. Think exactly the same things you thought about while tossing the paper, which is usually nothing. Forget about how far away your target is and just put a nice and unhurried swing on the ball. Never swing harder than that. If the ball does not get there, use more club and never more swing. Forget everything you heard about HOW to hit a golf ball. Find your own way because your way is going to be what is best for you and you will never have to practice that swing a whole lot because you will know it by feel and not by mechanics. What you will end up with is a swing that resembles Bobby Jones hitting a mashie niblick and what would be wrong with that?
@589supra
@589supra 8 жыл бұрын
+James Ruhnke absolutely dead on.
@steventyers125
@steventyers125 9 жыл бұрын
Basically what you are saying is that people need good hand eye co-ordination to play golf well. All good golfers develop an excellent foundation during their youth built on some kind of natural talent. I guess my question is how do you teach that? How do you teach human skill as you say at the end? You begin by talking about club path mechanics, then compression in an almost scientific reflection, and then go on to say how useless swing mechanics are..? Its like you assume everyone that takes up golf has their first experience in a lesson, being taught mechanical movements. This would never be true, everyone spends some time learning their own way before lessons. People with decent hand eye co-ordination will always be better at sport, but I'm not sure how you can teach that.
@rw7799
@rw7799 9 жыл бұрын
Steven Tyers totally agree.
@traviskoh999
@traviskoh999 7 жыл бұрын
basically, he's teaching nothing.
@MrLuigiFercotti
@MrLuigiFercotti 9 жыл бұрын
The importance of utilizing hand-eye coordination and natural athleticism is in some ways golfs dirty secret. However, there is little guarantee that those attributes will result in good mechanics. Citing examples of those where that did occur is using the exception to create the rule. Even the most talented of players work on mechanics, so maybe the issue is that the "name" instructors deal with talented players so much, they put the cart before horse. Haney couldn't do anything for Barkley as we know.
@MrBarrynicholas
@MrBarrynicholas 5 жыл бұрын
Always a good laugh.
@kurtlyons6333
@kurtlyons6333 4 жыл бұрын
It is B sir!
@thomasslagle5080
@thomasslagle5080 7 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I think your solution is too simplistic. In my opinion it is both option A and Option B. Otherwise you can't explain a player like Larry Nelson who learned to be a world class ball striker starting as an adult out of Five Lessons. But you do make a good point. In my lifetime the three greatest pure ball strikers in my opinion were Moe Norman, Ben Hogan, and George Knudson. They also happen to be the same three humans that struck the most golf balls during their lifetimes (Do you know of anybody who hit more?). The sheer volume of the repetition of strikes would have honed their hand-eye coordination to an unbelievable degree. Funny thing is they all should probably worked on their putting a little more.
@pebblebeach4868
@pebblebeach4868 9 жыл бұрын
.you were going to do a follow lesson with these 2 golfers to demonstrate how quickly you got them to advance - what happened?
@roytubby
@roytubby 9 жыл бұрын
I guess Winter in Alberta, Canada happened...
@Ileee87
@Ileee87 8 жыл бұрын
+Roy Gilley That's unfortunate.
@plus2golfer12
@plus2golfer12 5 жыл бұрын
THIS MAN KNOWS HOW TO GET THAT HOURLY PAY!!!!! GET THAT MONEY RON
@cryptoengineer9930
@cryptoengineer9930 5 жыл бұрын
Club pro's and tour pro's swing completely different, your sequence is wrong you need to understand how to create forces. All great golfers have the same basic sequence there's many ways to swing the club, but only one correct one.
@carlcampbell6827
@carlcampbell6827 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Wallis - You are absolutely correct that there is only one correct way. The first time you go out to watch a PGA or LPGA event you will immediatly understand something. Every player is doing exactly the same thing ie hitting targets and correct distances with absolute perfection or close to perfection.
@brettcollins2210
@brettcollins2210 Жыл бұрын
These dudes are thinking I just want hit the damn ball
@plus2golfer12
@plus2golfer12 5 жыл бұрын
These to stoners left the range on this day more confused than they have ever been in their life and just chalked it up to a bad trip lol
@carlcampbell6827
@carlcampbell6827 4 жыл бұрын
Plus 2 Golfer - You are too funny; calling out "stoners". Honestly I really hope those 2 guys have at least average intelligence and attention span beyond 5 - 6 minutes or all this is an experiment in futility. They would be dead after "the swing is not a ferris wheel"
@TheNYgolfer
@TheNYgolfer 3 жыл бұрын
@Plus2 Golfer -way too much info in a first lesson for 2 stoners..lol
@timcwalker
@timcwalker 5 жыл бұрын
Both students were holding the club with the worst grips. If a golf teacher doesn't have the students holding the club properly, they should not teach golf. What a joke.
@Kaminadorr
@Kaminadorr 5 жыл бұрын
Many people commenting here are unfortunately untalented thinkers. @Ian Wallis @Simon Leach @Steven Tyers @Rich Williams @bambino bambini @timwalkersings @goldenglove25 @Tv S
@simonleach3812
@simonleach3812 6 жыл бұрын
Not sure whether Ron Sissons has a point or is just completely infuriating. Like most who take things to hyperbolae, neither is correct. If we can only hit a ball well if we begin as a young tot, then what hope is there for most of the amateurs who want to get better? Shall we just give up? Sure the pros have fast fluid swings but unless they hit with precision and tweak the moving parts every now and then, they don't stay at the top. i.e. a combination of A and B. Actually how you swing is a reflection of you - physically and mentally. Seems like Mr Sissons is just teaching from the school of the bleeding obvious.
@goldenglove25
@goldenglove25 9 жыл бұрын
bubba dont swing like that neither does furyk...
@tvs3497
@tvs3497 6 жыл бұрын
Good observation. That list could get quite long.
@robertpage4991
@robertpage4991 6 жыл бұрын
goldenglove25 I think that’s exactly how Furyk swings. Take another look, and allow something for teacher theatrics. It’s called caricature.
@numcrun
@numcrun 5 жыл бұрын
I reckon another way of putting this is that you can't rely on a pretty golf swing to hit the ball well. You need to really focus on the club head position and orientation as well.
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