the comparison sounds great!

If you haven'y flown the Zibo before and only have flown the PMDG I can say for certain you are going to love it. To me there is a night and day difference between the flight modelling of the two addons and in takeoff and landing in particular I think it is fantastic. Both have their benefits of course and I'm not trying to do a direct competition between the two but I think the Zibo will really suprise you when you manage to get it working. To me the real benefit of xplane's flight modelling comes with the feeling of weight behind the controls. All the best!

I have respect for all sims however I'm so glad MSFS gives the more-casual community the option of just worrying about aircraft addons and not the mountain of addons and money that is required to bring X-Plane and P3D up to par.

For MSFS comparison I suggest using the G1000 variant which does have all the latest tech made by MS/ASOBO such as CFD, Soft-Body Simulation, etc... while other variants doesn't.

Try the Toliss A320 lineup! See how you can compare it with the FBW A320 NEO or the Fenix A320

I bought both Xplane 12 and MSFS a year ago when I started out. While I haven’t played Xplane 12, I’ve been aware of the praise the flight model has gotten for years now (there is a name for the theory the whole thing is based on for the programming that I can’t recall now). Both sims deserve our attention as simmers. Just like anything else, you don’t want one sim to have a monopoly in the industry as that stifles innovation. Thanks for the review!

There are many planes to fly in xplane. I'd recommend taking a look in ToLiss A319/A320neo/A321neo, Colimata Concorde, I have forgotten the producer but there is a nice MD11F, Flight factor 757,767,777,A350 and probably many more. I have flown the Airbus and the Concorde both feel very nice.

If the budged allows, I highly recommend getting a force feedback yoke (from Brunner for example). Absolutely total game changer. You really feel the dynamics and "heavyness" of the aircraft like you mentioned in this video. I have the Brunner yoke. It's a very high quality build. All steel and aluminum. So yes it's expansive, but it will probably last a few decades. No, I'm not associated in any way with Brunner, just highly recommend it based on personal experience. But I also believe that if more people had a FF yoke, other companies would be more inclined to follow suit and start creating FF controls instead of the old spring loaded stuff. I think it's about time we flight simmers started pressuring companies like Thrustmaster for some FF stuff. Something that has been a basic thing in racing wheels for decades.

I love handflying approaches in XP 12, although I am not a pilot it feels really good, no matter if it is a A321 or the Zibo

Your limiting feature is the processor. Both xplane 12 and MSFS are still mostly one core apps, but are both are working for a proper multi ore setup

I have no Issues with Xplane 12 or Zibo. Follow install directions to a tee and you will be fine!😁 I would adjust graphics a little at a time. Flight algorythms are pretty good for most planes! I get good frames at medium settings.

regarding the graphics settings, you should try to use 2xMSAA and lower the rendering resolution (dont use off, instead quality or so). that will boost you the most. 8xmsaa kills right now every pc

The Dash 8 Q4XP is something you will really like. The Cessa 172 and King Air 350 from Airfoil labs are really special. Everyone says Toliss, which is very good but not much different than the Fenix, so I would go with things you can not experience on MSFS. Flight Factor 757/767 and A350 are also a lot of fun. Avoid SSG 747, straight trash. XCrafts Ejets Family is coming along nicely, especially compared to the Flight Sim Studio version in MSFS. Auto Ortho and sim heaven can really help frame rates.

Lots of graphics updates are on the way including clouds too with new vram system to heal performance near soon, the update is in private beta now, can't wait for it

Personally I prefer xplane due to that there are way more airliners, the flight physics are better, and all default airports are very detailed because of scenery gateway, so I dont need to buy scenery for every airport I fly to and I can do realistic routes. Default airports in mfs are simply broken, with floating jetways and other problems. Also the ground taxiing physics on mfs are very bad. Like taxiing on ice. Another thing that xplane gets right is when you release parking brake with engines on in the a320 your plane starts moving in idle thrust, thats not the case with the fenix.

I didn't see any weather/winds settings. I would suspect that the handling will be different when activated, including surface turbulence, etc.

Once you have everything fixed, you should also try autoortho (ortho streaming similar to MSFS) and combine it with SimHeaven's X-World for improved autogen.

If you decide to buy, load up my 33EFTS from 1943 (download from the forum) and fly a Harvard in Caron,,Sask. Takes you back to time and place.

There is a bug with the current version of the Zibo if you have Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling enabled in the graphic settings. To fly in the Zibo first load up in the default C172 and once the flight is loaded change to the Zibo and it should not crash the PC.

Nice, great video. P.s. you land like a true airline pilot 😂 (flying it to the ground rather than a floatie cessna flair)

I like the heavier presence in the flight model but in my opinion the plane drops far too quick and is extremely heavy in the flare. takes a LOT of backpressure to hold up even in trim. Find myself having to leave some power in there around 1200 RPM to get a smooth landing

@737NG Driver I am so happy you are flying in X plane 12. I'm surprised your performance isn't good in the sim. Maybe it's because you have the Steam version. Mine runs perfectly smooth. It's MSFS I struggle with in performance, when it comes to flight model in my opinion X plane is definitely better, but the difference shines more when flying the heavier aircraft in comparisons to MSFS. The GA in MSFS have decent flight models, especially the C172 that you were flying so those comparisons although I still think X plane will be better, won't be as pronounced as compared to flying the airliners. Try out the default A330. Also the Citation X is fun. Those planes are really good and fun. And then for add ons you should definitely get the Toliss Airbuses, the Zibo 737, Flight factor 757/767, Airfoillabs king air 350 and C172 among a few....there are many more. And then enhancement add ons should be XPrealistic, BetterPushback, FlywithLua for landing rates, and XAtC chatter. And did I forget to mention built in replay mode!!

Switched from MSFS to X-Plane12. 45fps with Active Sky XP12, Ortho4XP , Global Forest v2 and No highway lights. Looks same as MSFS with better WX (incl. WXRadar) and Flgihtmodel.

Idk if you tried it yet but you definitely have to get REP for the Cessna 172SP.

You need try the ToLiss A346 it is amazing. I’ve got a middle grade pc with 3070ti. As you have 4090 should be easy to run it. As others said one down from ultra. Also having all minimal isn’t right it’s perhaps upsetting it. I run everything 1 down from ultra and get close 60fps perfectly smooth. Easier to buy from laminar direct ask for refund from steam. The gfx of the ground will appall you unfortunately. Ops wise it’s a great sim

I run X-Plane with “HAGS” off and MSFS with it on. I have 4080 and 5800X3D

I would recommend purchasing direct from X-Plane vs Steam. That way you can update XP direct and immediately without having to wait for Steam to upload an update. Just my thought. 😊

Say what you want about the graphics, where Xplane shines is simulating physics. After I started my flight training irl, it just clicked on me why this is the licensed sim for real aviation training. I keep using MSFS for the eye candy and Fenix, but that's about it now.

Hi Emanuil, you can try Hotstart Challenger CL650. As for me I have both and I like them both. But definitely I prefer the flight model in Xplane. But it seams the avionics in MSFS are getting better.

hey, x-plane got updated and have now very nice clouds. 12.06b1 is the version. dont forget to update it before the second video!

You can see how XP12 can be beautiful on few of my videos :)

I'd be interested in your comments on the 172 in stormy weather. I shot some footage a while back, and from an external view you could see the rudder flapping about in the wind like it was window shutters on a house. I thought it might be an animation issue only, but inside the virtual cockpit you can see the rudder pedals being pumped left, and right, with no input from me. I would imagine that feels really odd with force feedback pedals.

Great to see you on XP12. Concerning the Zibo, I had an issue where it would only load successfully if you first load at the gate in the Cirrus SR-22 then change aircraft to the Zibo and everything works fine - maybe that'll work for you? Concerning addons I'd very much like to see you try the FlyJSim Q4XP, it's a fantastic aircraft imho.

I like x-plane…always have. That being said, the flight model doesn’t hold much importance for me on a desktop sim. Regardless of the flight model, it’s *always* going to be tougher than real life. You can’t feel the airplane, you have no spatial awareness and a severely reduced ability to react to the environment. It’s just a million times easier to control an airplane in real life so sim physics are kind of like “meh”. To me, the overall experience is the important part of a sim. Do I like the interface? Is it easy to add stuff on? Are the features intuitive? How’s the community surrounding the sim itself? That’s why I like infinite flight nowadays. Yeah, you can’t add stuff on but the community is top shelf, the learning curve is straightforward and the sim just *looks* nice. That’s all I really care about nowadays.

Zibo has warned that you need to turn on/off some settings in both windows and X-Plane, try turning of H.A.G.S and running the beta. (It can be found on the demo installer or steam betas) Also make sure not to alt tab or touch anything while loading into the Zibo. You may also need to spawn into the Cessna first, and then load into the Zibo. I hope this helps! If you've downgraded your drivers I would definately recommend updating them, I've had the same issues with the Steam issue as you but updated them.

LoL, I almost forgot that Xplane12 was still out there! Thats funny...unless you're Austin Meyers. One day I will get it just to fly the infamous ZIBO😅 Is XP just as good in VR as MFS2020?😅

Buy it and fly the heavies - I'd like to see a real pilots consideration of the flight dynamics/systems modeling.

Finally finally

Looks like FS2002 😄

What about VR , are all the airplanes VR compatible ? 🤔

Steam version had same issues described . Store version is very stable for me

Good Morning, thanks for your continued tutorials. I went from XPlane 11 to MSFS. I remember the handling of the aircraft to be more fluent and natural in XPlane. However, everything else about it is what lost me as a simmer. Performance, weather, scenery, addons, etc. The Zibo mod was absolutely fantastic in XP11. It was actually the only reason I fired up XP11 and got me back into flight simming.

i heard the felis 747 should be superb also in terms of flight modeling

In your comparison video, make sure you choose an airplane in MSFS thar uses the full CFD modeling. The C172 glass cockpit does, C152, and a few others I can't remember right now. To check, turn on CFD visualization which you can bind to a key in the controls options.

I enjoy msfs very much but the zibo mod is crazy good. The default x-plane 737 is no comparison IMO just so you know. Hope you get it running better soon.

zibo crashes for me too. haven't been able to use it in X-Plane 12 so far

I own both Xplane 12 and MSFS. I have 60 hours on MSFS and around 6 hours on Xplane. That sums it up. Xplane has been left behind by msfs. The gap widens by the day.

XP flight dynamics for GA is better than MSFS. Here's the thing - where GA is used extensively for VFR, MSFS scenery is much better. If you want the most realistic FM and aren't too concerned about scenery, go XP. If you want great scenery and are OK with a slightly less realistic GA flight model, go MSFS. For jets/airliners, most of have no idea how they handle in real life anyway.

You could also try the level up 737ng series if the performance hopefully improves

I agree with you fully, my caveat with X-Plane is that it’s sometimes even TOO dynamic, especially with wind gusts and turbulence. The 737 and even 747-200 can sometimes feel like a leaf blowing in the wind, it’s like the airplane doesn’t have the right mass, lacking some rigidity. As opposed to P3D being way too much “on rails”. With all if that being said, check out the Felis 747-200. Let me know if you need some input on it, or better yet - a joint cockpit crewmember!

This is gonna be long..... I am an XPlane customer since V 7 or 8 meaning, I am using this sim for almost 2 decades. Never in the whole history of its ups and downs have I been this disappointed and frustrated. Laminar allways stated clearly that visuals like ortho streaming etc. are not their primary interest and that the focus of the simulator is a complete different one than others have. And in that regard the sim works nicely. Aerodynamics, behaviour Implementation of effects on aerodynamic surfaces etc. Everything in this area is above the MSFS standard and in most cases really impressive. The simulator is very capable of beeing used in multi monitor, systems and complete simulator setups and is super easy to handle in regards of installation, managing Updates, mods, Plugins etc... The documentation for 3rd Party devs is great, the tools to create planes etc very good. However... Laminar is completely unable to create an optimized and fluent running outside world at the moment! They managed it to brake the AntiAliasing completely resulting in massive fps loss during evening/night Operations at airports. The glorified new lighting engine is so damn bugged and unfinished that it is nothing more than an alpha testing Version imo. Bugs, reported years ago in Xpl10 are still present and wont be solved anywhere in the future. Optimization of clouds, the stutters everywhere and the freakying looking clouds during sunsets and tons of artifacts simply make XPl12 feel like an tech Demo and not like a full price simulator. I fully understand that new features like the reworked weather engine etc. wont work as expected on day one and that xplane was is and allways will be in constant development. BUT!!!! When people like me pay a full price for an early access Version and report bugs after bugs ok day one, which have been present for ages and Laminar is unable to even reply or just states that those things arw WIP, how on earth can this sim go live on steam, and leave early access with none of those issues fixed???? People with 4090 GPUs get Single digit fps or have to live with pixelated graphics like from the early 2000s. People with CPUs like your 9900k or my 8086k can super easy fly on MSFS or Xpl10 with steady 60fps but struggle with 15 to 38 fps in xplane 12 almost regularely. And this almost a year after the first early access. Austin himself allways praises his simulator and the World changing acheivemnts in hours of self confident power presentations. But he completely forgot that the idea of bringing volumetric clouds, new lighting and modern visual effects need knowledge and k ow how! And this is an area where Laminar is lacking extremely. For me this inability killed xplane 12 completely by now and they lost me as a flying sim user. Yes Xplane 11 doesnt look this vivid and modern but it is a stable platform and still my sim to choose. Now to All MSFS users.... You did nothing wrong and all right! Why? Easy because the flight caracteristics of MSFS are plausible and good enough to transport the feeling of flying an aircraft with a joystick or yoke at home. The areas where MSFS is lacking are noticable but really not that important IMO. Unless you want to put it on a motion Plattform and certify its usage from local authorities. Then it is substantially lacking yes. But as most of us want to enjoy aircraft in a homedesk simulator MSFS is perfectly fine, like Xplane 11, like Aerofly FS4, like DCS etc. But not like Xplane 12 because it is an deeply unfinished, broken, unevolved and frustrating product. Sorry but this needed to be said!

Hi Emi would love to see you fly a 172 in MSFS now as a direct comparison now that MSFS has had CFD models and what not :)

Towards your direct purchase of XP12 (non steam)

I can play XP12 on my laptop on RTX 4050 with 32GB of RAM, it runs fine not that bad.

Takeoff, landing (arguably the most important and exciting phases of a flight) and general stick and rudder dynamics are precisely why I would buy a sim for the.... flight dynamics. XP's a win on all counts there. If you like cruising around straight and level, others will do just as well.

How do u manage to post so much content basically everyday as an airline pilot ? Just curious

X-plane 10 demo is real slow on my iMac with Mojave. X-Plane 9 demo plays fine but want the more up to date version 12. Hope updating my iMac will allow me to load and play version 12.

I have all settings full and don't have any problems with performance. Maybe it's a problem with demo version. I personally recommend you Take Command!: Hot Start Challenger 650. You won't find anything better in any of the simulators. ToLiss A320 is also very good. I recommend extra AviTab, XPRealistic, FlyWithLua and BetterPushback. I do not recommend any additional scenery for now. X-WORLD 3.0 is ok but performance suffers. Maybe only Global Forests v2. I really love flying in XP12 even more than in MSFS.

lower the anti aliasing to about 2x. its very heavy on resources

I’m curious about your comparison of the two Cessnas. However, I think comparing two flights models is not as simple as comparing the same plane in the two sims. The accuracy of the flight model of a certain plane is not just a result of the capabilities of the sim but also of how much work the devs put in to get the best out of those capabilities. If you really wanna make a fair comparison of the two sims in terms of flight dynamics there is only one way. Ask a developer who’s worked with both flight models or test a plane of a developer who you know goes all out for accurate flight dynamics in both sims. Again, just because the default Cessna in X-Plane flies better than the equivalent in MSFS does not mean the whole flight model of X-Plane is better as well. Comparing the Zibo with the PMDG would also be a good comparison I would really like to see although flightdeck2sim has pretty much pointed out all the differences already.

Yes, the flight dynamics are stunning and important, but it does not appeal to the eye. It looks like Commodore 64 next to MSFS 2020. Thanks for the review. I'll think about it when the XPlane 15 comes. Hımm Maybe :)

Regarding performance, some things to try: .Lower AA from 8X to 4X .In settings screen, "Data Output", click "Clear all data selections" and make sure "Send network data output" is UNCHECKED .In settings screen, "Network", click "Reset networking configuration" .In settings screen, "GPS Hardware", make sure "Enable moving map or other NMEA GPS-driven device" is UNCHECKED

Physic changes aren’t worth the downgrades in scenery for me but its still great:)

yep sugestion #1 delete from your computer and install on your CRAY Supercomputer

Anti aliasing currently cripples X-Plane, try turning that down

Xplane 12 performance is terrible. MSFS for the win even more so when the physics differences aren't that far apart

I also had issues with XP12, not the ones you are describing, but the graphics are just off. Especially inside clouds, it looks downright awful. I haven't flown much in XP12 yet since I cant fix that issue, and it's a dealbreaker for me.

Problem is xplane is cpu usage and the lack of multi threading. Its a bit funny to combine a 4090 with a i9-9000 thats like 4 years old?

I bought an XP-12 a year ago. I flew just a couple of hours and deleted this simulator. Today I enjoy flying in MSFS. Goodbye XP, you've lost this battle.

r.i.p xplane

Try please cross wind landing.

Xplane has only been a source of frustration for me, the end experience never really worth the effort to find fixes to bugs, get mods, set up orthos and all the other complications. I find the flight model in MSFS just as good and the graphics in a complete different league compared to XP. Maybe Xplane was a upgrade compared to FSX but they would really need to step up their game to survive now.

Your anti-aliasing settings were too high. You should also lower your Anisotropic settings. Then you could use some of the other sliders. The left side = Graphics, right side = CPU power convention seems questionable in XP12, IMO. The fluid dynamics model in XP12 is currently superior to that of MSFS. That's not to say that MSFS fluid dynamics model won't eventually match XP12's.

Use 3jfps might help?

Thermals and turbulence feel more realistic in MSFS, but the aircraft inertia feels more "realistic" in x plane.

Engine sounds are good, though too quiet. Stall horn sounds... very, very "gamey"... nothing like the 172R and 172S that I've flown. The flight model looks great though!!

I’ve been having problems non stop on xplane 12 that I decided to give up on it a couple of weeks ago. My hardware couldn’t connect no matter what I did, my addons weren’t working (and this was the payed one) I was getting terrible fps and antialiasing and also puddles which looked incredibly unrealistic, and it felt way to dynamic. Msfs is the perfect in between compared to P3d and xp. Whatever people say about xplane is simply not true as it is an absolute nuisance. Figure this, all my settings where low, fps at 8 and my gpu temp was at 89 degrees (on a 3090)I had a fan curve on at that time. It also kept crashing. Xplane 12 is a no go to me. I just laugh whenever I go back to msfs after trying to get xplane to work. Physics are barely better anyway. It’s not worth the sacrifice of all the immersion I had in msfs. I guess Austin that wasn’t at the expo explains everything till v13

I bought MSFS when it came out and I was shocked how sluggish the flight model was. It was an idiotic 6 hour install and then I only used it for an hour or two and didn't touch it for a couple of years. The control/flightmodel was so sluggish it was largely unusable. And it wasn't about framerate, if the control model was realistic then you could fly the plane at 8fps. It would be a slideshow but it would feel realistic. I had played X11 which was crude graphics but I remember the flight model being much more responsive than MSFS. You might say they had one job.

Let me know if you need help on XP12, more that happy to help

Ah - surely you will let us know soon how the Zibo compares with the PMDG!

Maybe verify the integrity of game files on Steam

Hardware GPU Scheduler

Given your system specs and the way FS2020 behaves I'm very surprised you are having problems with x-plane. I ran it well, even in 4K VR, with a similar spec to yours except a RTX3090. (I have now moved on to an i9=13900) Considering all hype about FS2020 flight model X-Plane is still far superior. Emanuel, try these graphic settings I use, this is with the Steam version of xplane12. Texture quality-high, ambient occlusion-medium, rendering resolution-ultra, AA-2xmsaa, anisotropic filtering-8x cloud quality-medium, shadow quality, rendering distance, world object density and vegetation density-all high

Whenever I use ortho tiles, it is flattening my airports, I know how to fidle somewhat in folders to flat curved runways, but the airports remain flat. It causes me not to use xp 12 anymore. If anyone knows the solution, much appreciated.

Zibo has issues in XP12.

You must try the Airfoillabs Cessna 172 NG for xplane 12

As a long time XP user, I would always recommend the standalone version over the Steam version. The Steam version should not have the issues you described, but worth refunding either way. It's worth the price IMHO and should provide a lot of fun content for the channel. I'll be here to watch it :) As for recommendations, there are quite a few. Any of the Reality Enhancement Pack-enabled aircraft are fantastic. The Siai-Marchetti SF260 by JRollon is great (although he ported it to MSFS as well). Q4XP is solid. The Challenger 650 from X-Aviation is a top tier addon that will give you something you won't be able to find in other sims. And of course, the free Zibo mod for the default 737.

One tips with the graphic settings is to set them to one notch below ultra, and turn of ambient occlusion, set shadow setting to medium and activate Zink

Graphics are not as good, but flight dynamics are realistic.

X-Plane 12 + AutoOrtho (Sat imagery streaming) + Simheaven XWorld (Accurate Buildings) brings it "close" to MSFS in looks for 0$ Then you have the Zibo 737 which is insanely amazing and free. As for Payware Toliss Airbus Aircraft are the cream of the crop as far as Airbus goes.

X-plane team should just join Microsoft/Asobo and that would be perfect. One handles the physics and the other graphics.

I would love to be able to fly xplane12 i have it, but my graphics card being an amd one, is very poorly optimized for xplane has constant 100% usage and frames arent that great.

Just Flight said their port overs to XP 12 have sold horribly and they lost money on it (check Avsim "Just Flight Fokker F-28 release date Wed 12th July" thread, page 16). Just Flight will focus on MSFS going forward. XP 12 is dying.

I’m disappointed that you are having so much trouble flying the sim in its default state. I flew in Xplane11 for many years prior to MSFS. I was very happy with Xplane11 performance but used so much disk space with Ortho. MSFS provided a better solution for VFR flight without the need for storing satellite image tiles. While I have a respect for the flight model in Xplane, I was impressed with the detail taken with the flight models used in MSFS compared to FSX and P3d. Many have suggested that the difference is not so great now. I still have Xplane11 installed on my computer but prefer to fly in MSFS.

The scenery and performance of MSFS2020 has, unfortunately, made any other sim almost unplayable for me.

Those exact pitch power things are simulated in msfs

There's a good reason why PMDG opted out from X-Plane so yeah. For me no thanks X-Plane.

To eliminate stutters, you can try this : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pMB-i7ae1Kqap3U.html . I have the same configuration except only a 3070 and always around 35-40 fps with nearly all sliders near maximum, so you should definitely be higher!

Please don’t use the steam version. Defo buy it direct. Steam just adds more system requirements and fiddles in the background. What screen resolution are you using we are mostly only seeing it as he. I assume you are 4k for such low settings else you have processes in the background

The crashing may be due to your high clock on the cpu, when I fly x plane i cant be too agrassive on the overlock. On the cpu and the gpu aswell. I have rtx 3060 and I7-9700K@4.9GHz and my performane is fine