⚡Lightning Lap 2023 ⚡ | The Ultimate Performance Car Test | Car and Driver
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Күн бұрынOn our 16th trip to Virginia International Raceway, we set lap times in 16 of the best performance cars of the year -- and one minivan.
See Car and Driver’s Lightning Lap 2023 feature and all the lap times here: www.caranddriver.com/features...
The contenders:
2022 Subaru WRX: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 Volkswagen Golf GTI: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 Hyundai Elantra N: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 Hyundai Kona N: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 BMW i4 M50: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 BMW M240i xDrive: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Toyota GR Corolla Morizo Edition: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Honda Civic Type R: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Manual: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 Mercedes-AMG SL63: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 Audi RS3: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 BMW M4 CSL: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Lamborghini Huracan Tecnica: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: www.caranddriver.com/features...
2022 Kia Carnival: www.caranddriver.com/features...
This year’s crop of cars doesn’t look too different from that first event’s, when we ran a Corvette Z06 but not one with a mid-engine 670-hp V-8. A Cayman appeared on the first roster, although it was not nearly as track focused as this year’s Cayman GT4 RS.
There have been massive performance increases in the past 17 years, and not just for Porsches and Corvettes. The Honda Civic Type R offers 315 horsepower from the factory. Toyota fielded two cars: the rally-inspired GR Corolla and a manual-transmission-equipped Supra. Zero Hyundais appeared in 2006, but two this year-Kona N and Elantra N-returned times that might surprise you. BMW sent the M4 CSL and the electric i4 M50; both were significantly quicker than the 2006 M6 in the first event.
A new Subaru WRX and Audi RS3 brought a rally-car experience at two different price points. After a few issues with the BMW M240i, the Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing, and the Volkswagen GTI last year, we invited them back for a chance to improve their lap times. Mercedes and Lamborghini were missing from the first roster, but this year we lapped the new SL63, a 2+2 with all-wheel drive, and Lamborghini brought out a Huracán Tecnica, a less extreme version of the Huracán STO.
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00:00 Intro and how we test
01:45 Subaru WRX
03:12 Volkswagen Golf GTI
04:47 Hyundai Elantra N
05:54 Hyundai Kona N
07:13 BMW i4 M50
09:27 BMW M240i xDrive
11:05 Toyota GR Corolla Morizo Edition
12:36 Honda Civic Type R
14:32 Toyota GR Supra 3.0 Manual
16:33 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing
18:00 Mercedes-AMG SL63
19:47 Audi RS3
21:27 BMW M4 CSL
23:15 Lamborghini Huracan Tecnica
25:00 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS
27:10 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
29:35 Conclusion
@CarlosLago Жыл бұрын
Welcome to Lightning Lap 2023! We put a lot of time and effort into this event, and we hope you enjoy it. The story on our website has more details, including video of each car's hot lap with telemetry, so be sure to check it out. www.caranddriver.com/features/a42387169/lightning-lap-2023/ I'm happy to answer any questions you have.
@Mgoblagulkablong Жыл бұрын
Why kidding? Test the WRX with the CVT next year, that would go viral and make all the keyboard warrior haters cry. Do it!
@LearningFast Жыл бұрын
Why has C&D not tested the Tesla Model 3 Performance on the Lightning Lap? If you do test it then preheat the battery. It can add as much as 100 HP above 50 mph. It truly makes a MASSIVE difference in acceleration.
@LearningFast Жыл бұрын
@@layne4376 you are right. I am not expecting it to do that well but they should at least test it now that they have tested the BMW I4 M50 which is a direct competitor for it. In all fairness my Tesla Model 3 Performance weighs the exact same(4,100 lbs) as my AWD Kia Stinger GT2 did. Once you modify the Stinger they actually end up with very similar performance numbers. I believe they have tested the Stinger so why not the Model 3?
@CarlosLago Жыл бұрын
@@scottt.4596 Right here www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
@matthews826 Жыл бұрын
Love it! Great job guys!
@vr6one Жыл бұрын
The driver laughing like a child in the Z06 made my day 😆
@davecech4741 Жыл бұрын
My favorite part of the video was listening to one of your drivers giggling like a little kid as he drove the Z06.
@cesarg4328 Жыл бұрын
LAP TIMES: Subaru WRX 202 3:11.6 VW Golf GTI 2022 3:11.4 Hyundai Elantra N 3:07.03 Hyundai Kona N 3:06.1 BMW i4 M50 2022 3:04.7 BMW M240i xDrive 3:00.6 Toyota GR Corolla Morizo 2:59.6 Honda Civic Type R 2023 2:58.8 Toyota Supra GR 3.0 Manual 2:55.6 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing 2:54.6 Mercedes AMG SL63 2:52.6 Audi RS3 2:52.5 BMW M4 CSL 2:47.5 Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica 2:43.9 Cayman GT4 RS 2023 2:40.5 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2023 2:38.6
@Pratagraph Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this beautufully laid out summary! You're a legend!
@zinny999 Жыл бұрын
Why didn't they add GR 86 here. Surely is about same time as CTR.
@surfsessions100 Жыл бұрын
Csl had a bad tire. I bet worth 2 to 3 seconds
@nyplantingsgardendesigners5645 Жыл бұрын
thanks dude
@duck8280 Жыл бұрын
@@zinny999 no shot
@rmp5s Жыл бұрын
"Barely faster than the Kia Carnival we lap just for fun"...that's friggin hilarious. 🤣
@johnpulawski35 Жыл бұрын
Which car?
@mihan5660 Жыл бұрын
@@johnpulawski35 bmw i4 m50 speed on straight
@dennissmith7214 Жыл бұрын
@@mihan5660 Speed limiter! 🤷🏽♂️
@mihan5660 Жыл бұрын
@@dennissmith7214 no, its battery was running out by the end of the lap. According to the article, it has a (low) top speed of 128, but it could only reach 116 on the long final straightaway, not much faster than the carnival, the slowest vehicle they ever tested. Whereas at the beginning of the lap, it keeps up with an m3.
@mamixon100 Жыл бұрын
Not available in the US.
@pasigiri Жыл бұрын
29:25 When you're laughing like this, while catching a Huracan ... you know the car is good.
@usafcombatvet218 Жыл бұрын
That blue Z06 is so badass and beautiful at the same time….the sound of the Z06 engine alone is worth every penny.🔥
@bman1668 Жыл бұрын
Until it blows up at 100 miles lol 😂
@Randyboobandy69 Жыл бұрын
@@bman1668it's an ls lol.
@Luke-cb3ly Жыл бұрын
@@bman1668 poor hater
@bman1668 Жыл бұрын
@@Luke-cb3ly definitely sorry got Porsche
@johnjobber2219 Жыл бұрын
@@bman1668 Probably drive an old Hyundai with rust
@andreww2927 Жыл бұрын
I say this almost every year, but thank you for putting all this together for us. The benchmark in vehicle testing remains C&D, and Lightning Lap is one of the few events where the playing field is levelled. Great work.
@Bill-NM Жыл бұрын
Just wish they would REALLY "level the playing field" with the same tire on every car.
@andreww2927 Жыл бұрын
@@Bill-NM I understand your point, but also why they stick with what you can get from the dealer. I also think the feel and balance of the car is too seriously impacted by tires, and that the engineers carefully selected many components to create what they thought was the most cohesive overall package. I would suspect all cars could improve their lap times on R compound tires, but I'll bet more than a few more economical cars would become dangerously twitchy at the limit.
@IanHobday Жыл бұрын
@@Bill-NM Many cars these days come with tires specific to that car, and should really be driven with those tires. Sticking with options factory & dealer options is the best compromise.
@Bill-NM Жыл бұрын
@@IanHobday yeah I don't know - I mean no one would ever upgrade their tires if that was 100 percent true - and that's clearly not the case (autocross people ALWAYS upgrade their tires). In the comparison there were clearly a few cars hampered by their tires - C&D even said that a few times - it's just sad to see all this effort go into a big test to have something like tire questions leaving the viewer not knowing which cars are truly better than others.
@Bill-NM Жыл бұрын
@@andreww2927 Andrew I don't think thats always true. Engineers are held back by other requirements, like the sales price, mpg, ride quality, noise, and who knows what. I hear what you are saying though, which does make sense most of the time, but not always, and that's the problem.
@dennisbohner6876 Жыл бұрын
As a former 'vette owner (X 3), I have great fondness for the mark. Every car that exceeded the Z06's performance here started at about twice the Z06's maxed out price. The Senna is hard to consider as a production car and at a million or better used, made of unobtanium. While the Z06 exceeds my economic restraints and ability to drive, I consider this to be the greatest bargain in automotive history. Hanging tough against this outlier competition is a landmark. And then if you want you can make it faster and parts to do so will be plentiful. After all, it's just a Chevy.,
@dennisbohner6876 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, you can also go pick up groceries in it.
@davepaturno4290 Жыл бұрын
Good luck trying to get a Z06 at a "bargain price". And judging by all the quality issues C8s are having, I wouldn't call any a long-term bargain.
@dennisbohner6876 Жыл бұрын
@@davepaturno4290 I await mechanics' takes on the longevity. Quality issues haven't been overwhelming, as best as I can tell. That is an uninformed statement, just haven't seen anything yet. RESEARCH!
@davepaturno4290 Жыл бұрын
@@dennisbohner6876 Research the corvette forum (C8 General section) and you'll find over 200 complaints about quality issues since 2020. Yes, research.
@dennisbohner6876 Жыл бұрын
@@davepaturno4290 Failure rates of Z06 engines have been about .3%, 3/10's of one percent according to the postings I viewed. Trannys are even less unreliable. If you go to the bleeding edge, expect to get some cuts and abrasions. Also, Chevy is expeditiously handling those problems and is not reluctant to make things right. Now go to your Ferrari dealers with similar complaints and see how that goes and get back to me. I'm genuinely curious. I have no stance on that.
@acerimmer8338 Жыл бұрын
Lightning Lap is the best thing any car mag has ever done. Really puts into perspective just how good (or bad) these cars relate to not only their competitors, BUT compared to others in completely different pricing brackets. And really shows how tire tech has come so far the past 20 years.
@abcdLeeXY Жыл бұрын
What a great video. No 0-60 drag race bs. A sports car capability should be tested at the track.
@telliesmith9825 Жыл бұрын
Exactly period 👍🏽
@jrod78414 Жыл бұрын
Your thinking of Motor trend. Edmund's does. Udrag. Car and driver does this. Carlos has done it all literally
@E46325mod Жыл бұрын
0-60 is not BS its the most often used segment of performance anyone uses, a track is once in a blue moon event
@fabioribeiro5071 Жыл бұрын
@@E46325mod yeah because in everyday we see people doing launchs on the roads. 🤦♂️
@bjornar9026 Жыл бұрын
@@E46325mod No, because track performance shows a car's handling. That can be used on spirited driving on twisty backroads, not just on track. Making a good sports car is more impressive than just making a car that only is good in the straights.
@rc54 Жыл бұрын
I was fortunate enough to be invited out on the final afternoon of LL23 testing, and was given some very warm laps in a few of these cars by the editors, including the Z06 and Lambo. The production process is amazing to witness, and these guys are all real pros! Thanks for letting me stand around with you guys!! (Also, side note, witnessing the Kia minivan with a load of staff doing a hot lap was hysterical. KC had the tires howling and I could even hear it when it was coming through Roller Coaster from the paddock. That was both funny and impressive.)
@seanc6754 Жыл бұрын
I think the C8 Z06 will probably end up being the best all around super car America has ever built.. and it costs half of other cars in its class..so crazy. 🇺🇸💪💪
@liquidsk8s 5 ай бұрын
The RS is only $20-30k more. And with 170hp less, is nearly as fast 🤪
@WilliamStewart1 5 ай бұрын
@@liquidsk8sBase price of the Z06 is 106k, base price of the Cayman GTS is 183k........
@liquidsk8s 5 ай бұрын
@@WilliamStewart1 this isn’t a base Z06. And the starting price on the GT4 RS is $160
@liquidsk8s 5 ай бұрын
@@WilliamStewart1 video itself states the base price is in the $130’s. And as tested $141k. It has the GT4 at $180 as tested due to the carbon seats. Still only a $40k difference not double.
@jsmrgen 5 ай бұрын
Ever?? lol, just wait to see the C8 ZR1
@danmayberry1185 Жыл бұрын
Z06 and Supra .. delicious meals on a budget.
@bobsmoot8454 Жыл бұрын
I, along with millions of others in the USA, really appreciate you all undertaking the Lightning Lap every year. It’s the reason I subscribe to the printed version of C&D. The C8-Z06 did not disappoint, and I can’t wait to see how the E-Ray and more importantly the ZR1 will compare to the top 5 cars. The Zora could be an insane final configuration of the ICE Corvette
@canadapac2747 Жыл бұрын
Not only in the US, i enjoyed every piece of it since i was in Algeria and now i'm in Canada
@cavaseno Жыл бұрын
The fact that the Elantra N went 4 seconds faster than the GTI and the WRX is a win by itself.
@Beezy_Builds Жыл бұрын
Right imagine what that DCT would do
@Prodriver33 Жыл бұрын
Ya that’s so crazy. Just imagine a Kia beating a wrx back in 06’ lol. How far they have both gone, Kia/ Hyundai has moved up leaps, the wrx has fallen so far!
@cavaseno Жыл бұрын
@@Beezy_Builds I’d still rather have the six speed
@cavaseno Жыл бұрын
@@Prodriver33 when they said the Kona N was faster than an 08 C63s around the same track I was shocked.
@Beezy_Builds Жыл бұрын
@cavaseno its awesome that it comes in a manual, personally I brought the dct, just to add a bit more duality to the car but cant go wrong either way!
@stevennatale4471 Жыл бұрын
The giggling at the end of the Z06 hot lap speaks volumes!
@JeLifeCoach Жыл бұрын
Thought the same thing. He was in heaven. Pure connection.
@arivette2010 Жыл бұрын
Carlos, you're one of the best automotive journalists out there! Thank you and thank you Car and Driver for doing this yearly!
@revaholic Жыл бұрын
The Z06 is such a feat of engineering.
@BigInjun05 Жыл бұрын
That corvette is a unit makes me excited to see what the new zr1 will be
@randr10 Жыл бұрын
The Z06 lap looks like you sped up the camera it's so fast. That car is super impressive. I'm honestly impressed with a lot of these vehicles the way they like to rotate. I suspect some of the lower horsepower cars with such great lap times are that fast because of great chassis and suspension tuning along with electronic wizardry to help them get into and around corners quickly.
@mranderson2278 Жыл бұрын
By far the most impressive of them all was the C8 Zo6. what an amazing car for the price. Im so ready to see that car modded with twin turbos. its will be borderline if not flat out hypercar performance. Chevrolet you absolutely knocked it out of the park with the C8 platform!
@jacobdahlgren5292 Жыл бұрын
Lighting Lap is my favorite car review event. It is the most objective review in such a subjective field. I also love that all the results over the years are put in a single table.
@toddh4491 Жыл бұрын
Best part of the Car and Driver written portion was the jogger and the Kia Carnival. Thanks for having a sense of humor in an otherwise very serious article.
@nickcottrell9594 Жыл бұрын
Just amazing that the z06 is that much better then everyone. Thank you GM
@ecksray48 Жыл бұрын
The last 2 LLs have really highlighted the importance of tires and advancements in tire tech. I'd love to see you re-test some cars from years past that you think would improve the most with modern rubber
@ruthnoya8424 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, tires transform cars for peak bragging numbers. Though I doubt most track people use these crazy street/track tires as they're ludicrously expensive per lap as they wear out faster than track only tires.
@dnegel9546 Жыл бұрын
yeah a 350z with any of the R tires would be sick to watch.
@ruthnoya8424 Жыл бұрын
@@dnegel9546 Yeah, I'd like to see a 370z with tires and my fav, an 11-14 Lexus isf with R tires. They tested an 11 isf and it's lap time (3:05) dropped by 8 or 9 seconds vs the 08 isf they tested thanks to an LSD and revised suspension. But I just looked it up and the 11 isf had pilot sports while the M3 every M3 fan compared it to at the time had wore Pilot Cup tires.
@chooki101 Жыл бұрын
Seeing as the GR Corolla and Civic Type R were on PS Cup 2s, would be interesting to see the Elantra N on the same tyres
@avis1978 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I don't understand Hyundai. Why they didn't do a small effort and get the right tires. Very stupid of them.
@BlueFL5 Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting, but it would still lose by a large amount. However, it’s still impressive for such a cheap car.
@lllll981 Жыл бұрын
@@avis1978 it's not stupid of them though. The Elantra N comes stock with Michelin PS4S which are expensive tires already. The purpose of all of the N cars is to give you great performance at an affordable price and putting Cup 2's on them would keep that from happening. It would be cool if Hyundai had them as a dealer option though. But the PS4S tires are great on their own. Also the tires that were on the Elantra N during this lap were apparently shot so that made a huge difference as well.
@alex_707 Жыл бұрын
That ToyoBimmer is nearly as fast as BMW M4 CSL and costs one-third of the money!! That's engineering at right price. Plus, it can go faster with track tires, which M4 had.
@Stormtrooper-oc4vn Жыл бұрын
That Kona N is very impressive here.
@tk9839 Жыл бұрын
Ugly as hell but its performance is bat out of hell...mind-boggling
@John_Redcorn_ Жыл бұрын
@@tk9839 impressive performance, terrible name. When i hear Kona i think of coffee beans.
@eichler721 Жыл бұрын
Another amazing showing at Lightning Lap. Next year should be phenomenal as well with the 296GTB, GT3RS, E-Ray amd many more.
@tblack21 Жыл бұрын
The layout of this video is unmatched
@studio-flash Жыл бұрын
As a Brit, for years I’ve had to put up with ill educated people , including the press who are mostly to blame harking on about America cars not being able to go around corners. This was aimed at Mustangs and Corvettes mainly. Despite all the way back to the 1980’s with the C4 corvette having a reliable race car in the form of the C4 Corvette beating the Porsche 944… 29 wins to 0 ..so much so they had to create a Corvette only championship in the Corvette Challenge. Today the awesome C8 Corvette super car pulling 1.22g on the corners and getting a 2:38.6 being the 5 th fastest car tested at a price half that of the 4 before it and about a 5th the price of the Senna. This with day to day drivability more so than any other car here, including a car you can work on yourself with parts attainable price wise ( if your in this price bracket). Now you can see why the Brits are called snobs!,,,, Credit where it’s due, that’s one amazing car.
@CarbonRev Жыл бұрын
It's awesome to see Z06 performing so brilliantly! This is why we come to work and strive to make the world's best wheels, and save weight from such an important part of the car.
@Kelveron Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. Maybe I missed it, but it would've also been nice to show a summary table of the cars' lap times, power to weight ratio, tire choice etc all in one place.
@CarlosLago Жыл бұрын
Here's every lap we've ever recorded: www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
@JacesOwnWorld Жыл бұрын
And prices including dealer markups
@rwilson4073 Жыл бұрын
@@JacesOwnWorld Dealer markups vary from dealer to dealer, and the cars tested aren't owned iirc but loaned from the manufacturers.
@tyhyhh Жыл бұрын
@@JacesOwnWorld comparing cars off dealer markup is completely pointless lol you think all dealers do the same markup? some dont even mark up so stupid
@MikeTarlton Жыл бұрын
Z06 FTW!
@doug186 Жыл бұрын
Look forward to this every year. Thanks for continuing his series.
@flsupraguy Жыл бұрын
My body is ready
@gradientO Жыл бұрын
coming now
@TheG60528XiJinPing Жыл бұрын
Z06 is a masterpiece
@YellowCamaro85 Жыл бұрын
The fact that a McLaren 765LT / 911 GT2RS MR and corvette C8Z06 are that close is absolute absurdity.
@dave0110aaaa Жыл бұрын
Wow they have done a helluva job with the vette...you weren't kidding, the faster cars like the Senna ARE much more expensive! Great video! Thanks!
@saltyfloridaman7163 Жыл бұрын
Every car that's faster has at least 50hp more. Just imagine if Randy Pobst was driving instead of the journalist who got fatigue
@yuppystick Жыл бұрын
Ridiculously well written, narrated, and cinematographied 👌👌👌
@mediocreman2 Жыл бұрын
Just making up words then eh?
@yuppystick Жыл бұрын
@@mediocreman2 it's one of my necessitized specialties.
@jean-paulgrenade2241 Жыл бұрын
Great video - really enjoyed that!
@spcjunk Жыл бұрын
Great video!!! I've always enjoyed the article in your magazine but seeing this video is so much better!!! Getting to see the cars in action, hearing the engines, ahhhhh, so sweet!
@jakejohnson6120 Жыл бұрын
Excellent reviews and overview Carlos! We appreciate you and your team’s effort!
@chisquare5701 Жыл бұрын
Lightning lap is my favourite car journalism venture. Another good one this year...👍🏾
@KeliK1 Жыл бұрын
Great work! Incredible cars... I wasn't expecting the RS3 to rank that high. Impressive!
@ytsux9259 Жыл бұрын
Because of the Trofeo R tires. The same car without those tires would be 10s slower, which is about 3:02.
@RomanticPopPunk Жыл бұрын
@@ytsux9259 tell me how I know you’ve never driven an RS3 or even an S3. Quattro is no joke.
@jasonmohning1708 Жыл бұрын
I just read the magazine article today. This video is a great companion. Great stuff!
@blue98jettavr6t Жыл бұрын
This was great. VIR, and a great range of cars, at 47yrs old it great to see the magazine action photos come to life in audio and video. There’s so many 1/4 mile videos out there but my preference has always been road course. I lived 55 minutes from the Nordscheife so weekends were fun in my 98 Jetta GLX vr6 with a 361hp/340tq turbo set up even if I didn’t have the nerves to lap the Ring, the ride to on the B road and the autobahn blast back home was a time in my life I’ll forever cherish.
@Porschelover456 Жыл бұрын
Considering the gt4 rs has 180 hp less than z06, and 245 vs 275, 295 vs 345 tyres. It is in other league. Also no rear steering, less downforce than gt3 , no duble wishbone, smaller tyres. It is simply amazing. Also the sound, the look, the seats, the gearbox. It is an extraordinary machine!
@tobycyril780 Жыл бұрын
yes surely less wear of brakes and tires in comparison to the Z06. i fear c8 z06 would be very expensive on intensive track use with high consumption of brake and tires.
@Luke-cb3ly Жыл бұрын
What about price? Lmao
@Porschelover456 Жыл бұрын
@@Luke-cb3ly 150-165k in Germany if you are lucky to buy it from new! I am sure it eats less tyre and brakes even from the gt3! In 10 years it will be 400k at least. So it is a good investment.
@tobycyril780 Жыл бұрын
@@Luke-cb3ly the C8 Z06 is less expensive to own but more expensive to use (intensively)
@tobycyril780 Жыл бұрын
@@Porschelover456 400k in 10 years ? it seems a little presumptuous to me but this car should hold his value during the years.
@stefanb18 Жыл бұрын
Love these videos! Keep up the good work Car & Driver 👍
@t-bonedoelman455 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for These videos. I look forward to them every year. Keep going 👍
@SaveTheManuals1 Жыл бұрын
Such a great comparison! Thanks for all of the hard work.
@Mrpancake72 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see the Supra did well. I have a manual 23 and love it!
@MukiMuki688 Жыл бұрын
Though I love all those indie cartubers, but at the end of the day I still comeback to C&D. Been a reader since 97'
@daytonars5 Жыл бұрын
Good to see a channel not afraid to show how bad EVs are beyond 0-60
@DanielWStyles Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks for making it about the cars with useful info..Commentary was most welcomed!! 👌✌💯💥👍
@bimmerfan729 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see this comparo on a control tire. Seems like there may have been some interesting results if some cars had better tires.
@DroneStrike1776 Жыл бұрын
Then it would defeat the purpose of being a completely stock, off the showroom floor test. This is Car and Driver, an automotive journal that test new cars for consumers. You just can't go and put Hoosiers on a BMW M4 CSL when that car has a partnership with specially made Michelins for it and test it on different tires for consumers. Unless it's independent studies, sure, but these are not. These cars are loaned by the manufacturers.
@bobstarr Жыл бұрын
Right, a difference of 10 seconds has me rethinking every lap time I've seen.
@brentcollins9727 Жыл бұрын
@@bobstarr , so you’re saying on every lap you’ve ever seen, every car was running on the same model tire? The Huracan and Elantra R both running Pilot Sport S’s? The Miclaren running on Firestone’s?
@ardyshane23 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see that too. Running them how they come is pointless. Anyone going to the track doesn’t leave the tires stock. It’s the same thing all these car shows do with old muscle cars. They leave stock narrow bias ply tires on them and run 15 second 1/4 mile times even though the guys (like my dad) put different tires on right when they got the car and ran 12’s back in the day. It’s just an in a irate representation, simple as that.
@ivan-681 Жыл бұрын
Only thing missing is the laptime for the Carnival!!!😊
@MegaRetr Жыл бұрын
Great video! Glad you are improving video quality over prior years!
@karapetschnell2314 Жыл бұрын
Lap videos with this kind of production quality are the best and most fun thing to watch on youtube. Movies dont matter anymore if you can have both the movie aspect and the technical aspect combined. Thanks a lot
@_VelociDad Жыл бұрын
Love Lightning Lap! I just wish YT had a button better than “Like” - you guys make the best mainstream automotive content!
@dy8863 Жыл бұрын
No Model S Plaid? That Zo6 is amazing. The performance per dollar is untouchable. (Until the ZR1 and ZORA comes out of course) Merica!
@williammayer1742 Жыл бұрын
The Plaid wouldn't be able to handle the corners.
@brianbrinegar6086 Жыл бұрын
Flippin' awesome video!!
@MarMPB Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for that! Thanks!!
@shiftmotorsports9803 Жыл бұрын
$50k for a 3 cylinder Corolla is not something I thought I would ever see in my lifetime. What world are we living in?
@jacksonkendrick943 Жыл бұрын
Base starts at 35… 37 if you want the dual LSD’s which is not too bad
@Randyboobandy69 Жыл бұрын
@@jacksonkendrick943a 3 cylinder bro...
@shiftmotorsports9803 Жыл бұрын
@Jackson Kendrick True, but that's still Camaro SS money. Different animal, but both "performance cars". I'm sure the GR is a blast to drive, but not for V8 money.....for me anyway
@mitchellsteindler Жыл бұрын
A world with great cars. The corolla is not actually 50k...msrp.
@tinhinnh Жыл бұрын
@@Randyboobandy69most powerful production 3cyl bro
@nathanjackson2136 Жыл бұрын
So basically get the zo6 like I was planning to do anyway
@jamlarna Жыл бұрын
How have I not found this chanel before now 🤦🏾 this is brilliant 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@dammyo6010 Жыл бұрын
Awesome vid! I really wish you included the music playlist as well. Some great music to go with the visuals.
@Dolby109 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Glad you are improving video quality over prior years! Too bad you missed the new Z, but I'm sure we'll see it run a ~3:02 next year.
@aibada6594 Жыл бұрын
Elantra N, Civic Typr R, and Supra seem to offer best values for manual options though I am wondering about the new Z
@hugdeath929 Жыл бұрын
Love sitting here and living through you guys. There can’t be many happier people in the world than people that get to do what you do. You’ve got me thinking about tan RS3. Even though it’s so tidy inside the bang for the buck seems real. I need someone to create a vehicle that handles like an RS3 with the interior space of the Accord. I’m here for the Carnival hot lap and love that u loaded up the vehicle. Nobody loads up these vehicles when they’re testing them.
@marciomartins6041 3 ай бұрын
Cool video!! I enjoyed it!! 🔝
@SilverScarletSpider Жыл бұрын
I have been following Lightning Lap ever since 2016: when the Acura NSX was new, and the Honda Civic Type R was forbidden fruit. I’m glad that EV’s and Hybrid’s don’t get shoved down our throats in these tests.
@davepaturno4290 Жыл бұрын
With dems/global alarmists calling the shots, VIR times will most likely rise, not drop as all the lighter-weight ICE sportscars go away. I can see C&D bring in an "old" McLaren every so often to show us what real sportscars were like.
@cerohero1 Жыл бұрын
Man, hearing those insanely fast shifts from the gt4rs makes me want to switch to a dct car.
@kainsel Жыл бұрын
Love the split screen with chapters on the right, brilliant editing
@malcolmar Жыл бұрын
That was AWESOME! Thank you. The amazing examples of automotive engineering on display here are not lost on me although the shift knob coming off of the GTI during driving s unforgivable. I have never seen that happen.
@disinter3181 Жыл бұрын
I want to be a GTI fan, and even had one on order last year - until it failed the smog test and I was refused delivery. Not meant to be I guess... and after all the bad things I have heard and seen... I think I'm glad it didn't work out. The idea of the GTI is cool, the execution seems to border on horrendous.
@malcolmar Жыл бұрын
@@disinter3181 I think you saved yourself years of unreliabilty and trips to the mechanic.
@mrtim5363 Жыл бұрын
Regular auto-crosser, the shift knob issue I have to let slide because I wasn't there, don't know who was driving or what was going on when it happened. But I've seen shift knobs come off & shift lever forks broken, & shifters ripped out of the transmission & on more than one occasion for all three. Only once was it the cars fault. 1. Some drivers, can get, cough, cough,.... 'Aggressive' in their shifting. & It may not have been the one driving at the time. A previous driver could have cracked something, leaving it open to failure. & 2. Track driving a street car not meant for the track is abuse, fun abuse to be sure. But abuse none the less. Part failure by VW or any other brand under these conditions should be given 'a bit' of slack. I haven't heard of this issue in general public GTI's which leads me to think it's one of these two.
@DTEL77 Жыл бұрын
Of course I am bummed to see the Elanta N hobbled by worn tired and an antique transmission, hopefully C&D will give the DSG Elantra N on fresh tires a shot at VIR, heck, you can borrow mine.
@GeordieAmanda Жыл бұрын
This video certainly makes me think tyres are contributing more to lap speed than ever before. The M240 improved with better tyres than last year, the Audi improved with a tyre upgrade and the M4 was suspected of not performing optimally with replacement tyres (there are interesting videos of how OE tyres are markedly different from option tyres of the same brand and type). Amazing, considering how lardy cars are becoming. I have an M3 Competition that weighs the same as a small country and yet for the most part it hides it weight amazingly well.....if it could only hide it's size too it would be a welcome upgrade (I live the UK with narrower roads than much of the USA). I also love how the electric car (Beemer) was shot as the sun went down. It felt, somehow, prophetic and allegorical
@Jr_5646 Жыл бұрын
I'd agree with tire technology making a huge impact on the lap time improvements. Take something like a C6 z06. In 2006 it ran a 3:01. Five years later it was 8 seconds faster. Im sure if you put the cup 2r's from the c8 z06 on it, and made the suspension a little stiffer to compensate for the increased cornering forces I bet it would go another 8 seconds faster still and be around a 2:45 car with especially the same 17 year old chassis.
@Pmtd1234 Жыл бұрын
The Cup 2 R tires on the Z06 reduce lap time by ~1.5 second at a 2 mile track; the CF wheels also reduce lap time by another 1+ second.
@kidcubi9675 Жыл бұрын
Quiroga wearing a sweater and button-down while lapping VIR will always get a chuckle out of me
@WarriorsPhoto Жыл бұрын
I was impressed with some of these numbers. These cars are quick. Especially that little Hyundai Crossover. See you all next year.
@eloneatmyshorts Жыл бұрын
Video and testing by professionals vs. amateur KZfaqrs. This is how it’s done folks.
@rmp5s Жыл бұрын
Of any of these, I'd take that GT4...that's SUCH a magical car...
@donwilber1628 Жыл бұрын
It's a shame that some of these are unaffordable by all but one-percenters. FWIW, I just plunked down over $80k on a new Bimmer, but I'm comfortably retired.
@rmp5s Жыл бұрын
@@donwilber1628 I was looking at Porsches a while back and actually tried to get an allocation for one of these and my dealer guy flat out was like, "no". lol...even those of us that CAN afford one can't get one. Hahaha Ended up finding a gorgeous single owner 2016 GT-R with all the bolt-ons that is WAY faster than anything in this video and I love the hell out of it. Maybe everything happens for a reason. lol
@gmoose7155 Жыл бұрын
@@donwilber1628 strange to say this. You are a one percenter. But I can't figure if you commented to criticize, apologize or advertise.
@donwilber1628 Жыл бұрын
@@gmoose7155 My comment is just a minor criticism. And, at best, I'm a two-percenter :D The point is that several of these are unattainable by all but the wealthiest people. It's just my $.02, but why not show the vehicles that the 99% can afford?
@DS-pk4eh Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. It was great. As for the lap times, the difference in tyre choice makes for it not being the perfect condition. But it gives us the idea of what those car are capable.
@mikemcintosh9933 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding content. Subscribed.
@jayman81424 Жыл бұрын
Slap some trofeo Rs on that Kia Carnival!
@toaztelg Жыл бұрын
I don't need a passport to drive on the Nürburgring ;)
@robertr.hasspacher7731 Жыл бұрын
thanks guys, very interesting!!!
@secretop8343 Жыл бұрын
Two thumbs up on the music and video quality. It is appreciated
@Lewapolis Жыл бұрын
I’ll have the GT4RS every time.
@harrycolonicjr.2397 Жыл бұрын
Z06 is a goddamn monster!
@sonicloud7774 Жыл бұрын
You said a mouthful. That is far too much car at msrp for the money.
@DanyCesc83 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video guys!
@ninetres187 Жыл бұрын
Best annual car content out there.
@GingersKing Жыл бұрын
These new Corvettes might motivate me into a very irresponsible purchase. Can't wait to see the ZR1 version of the E-Ray with all this Z06 tech plus electric motors and AWD. Mark my words that's happening.
@Teramydog Жыл бұрын
Vette for the win
@Ribastein Жыл бұрын
Great Vid!!
@henryi9738 Жыл бұрын
excellent thanks !
@yusufgta4341 Жыл бұрын
Z06 C8 only one second slower than the GT2 RS? Wow🔥Imagine if it had a turbocharged or supercharged engine like the GT2 RS? The times would probably be different. But for a NA engine that's impressive!!!!
@JacesOwnWorld Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the GT2 had a V8 🤷♂️
@sonicloud7774 Жыл бұрын
@@JacesOwnWorld I wonder why Porsche only use v6's for their own rear engine format? It might be because V8 engines are too big for the rear.
@dannykennedy5885 Жыл бұрын
@@sonicloud7774 flat 6s :)
@tobycyril780 Жыл бұрын
GT2 is 400 lbs lighter, the key is here. a c8 z06 with 200-300 lbs could perform like as a GT2 RS
@yusufgta4341 Жыл бұрын
US has less emission restrictions and regulations allowing us to make bigger displacement engines and V8 engines. Also, Petro is much cheaper in the US than it is in Europe allowing us to drive larger inefficient vehicles like Minivans, pickup trucks, and ect. V8s are heavily popular in the US. Now, V6 twin turbo EcoBoost engines are very popular in Fords especially American police cars like the Ford Taurus interceptor and Ford explorer interceptor. The 2020 Ford Taurus interceptor now has 400hp from a 3.5L V6 twin engine EcoBoost with a 10 speed automatic transmission.
@phillippugh2161 Жыл бұрын
Damn the z06 sounds crazy an runs laps around the others pun intended hahaha 🤣
@blamesanti 9 ай бұрын
@caranddriver the M4 CSL headrest is removable with 2 quick bolts to fit helmets, it’s the same with any of the Carbon Buckets from BMW. It looked so awkward for the driver. Just needed a little research of the iDrive owners manual.
@ricky3506 Жыл бұрын
Just bought my LS800 at best buy and a 120 silver flex alr screen. Should arrive in about 3 weeks. Cannot wait.
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