Lilium Jet | Lilium’s Battery Technology

Lilium Jet | Lilium’s Battery Technology | Hear from Daniel

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4 ай бұрын

Join Co-Founder and Chief Engineer for Innovation, Daniel Wiegand, for a look into Lilium's battery plans.
Daniel speaks about the Lilium Jet’s high-performance battery technology, how it will enable an initial operating range of 175 km at entry into service that will increase in the future, and more about our preparations to scale up the production of battery cells as we move towards commercialization.
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@martingarrish4082 4 ай бұрын

What the market needs to see is flights more representative of typical mission profiles. This also needs to demonstrate the eventualities procedures for issues with either airfield or aircraft. It can be virtual or realworld, but the market does need to see this to gain confidence.

@EarthCreature. 4 ай бұрын

Lilium is such an amazing company. Can't wait to see the manned flights this year.

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

It will not happen. They will not even have a full sized craft lift off empty this year.

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHoldingWhy?

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@avigator because it's a scam and it's not possible for a bigger one to do what a little toy one can't. The square cube law. They can't even show 2 full minutes with the prototype. I think they will not have a full sized one lift off the ground empty. We will see. There would be records to break if multirotor evtols could lift people for minutes. None of them can

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@@avigator get back to me in a year.

@kfk256 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHolding Oh! We will! 🫡

@spud1 4 ай бұрын

Can you tell us what is the impact of colder air temperatures on the battery performance? Many cities have winter air temperatures well below freezing and also air temperature tends to decrease with increasing altitude. This was brought to mind by a recent article about the inability to charge Tesla batteries in subfreezing weather. Thanks.

@markusdicks648 23 күн бұрын

...you need to heat them.... as for cars... and this off course increases the consumption and reduces the range... But you likely need to heat anyway everything. Unless you operate it in spain or countries more south ..as in the example video..

@TeddyLeppard 4 ай бұрын

Looking forward to widespread rollout of service on the horizon. Try to get more partners onboard in the US.

@heinzrenner5631 4 ай бұрын

Wären nicht Super Caps für den Start und Landung additionell sinnvoll?

@jmrahman1976 3 ай бұрын

can this battery be used in Electric Vehicles such as Cars?

@dixikloos5352 4 ай бұрын

Did you also try Cells from the Company Amprius in California? Looks like they would perfectly fit for your needs

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

Are they magic batteries? That's what they would need.

@willykang1293 4 ай бұрын

They didn’t, although the energy density would be higher from Amprius.

@dixikloos5352 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHolding Yes they are

@oussamachatt3357 4 ай бұрын

Lilium is the most fantastic company! I truly love it and it is a huge pride to be part of it same working for. ❤❤❤

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

Promises, which need to be demonstrated.

@MrJesse1479 4 ай бұрын

Bought over 1500 shares of this company today.

@olfo4100 4 ай бұрын

Has there been a manned test flight yet?

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

They never made one for people. They just have a toy prototype drone that barely flies.

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

Nope. The first aircraft with a flight deck is only built in the spring of 2024.

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@@avigator maybe they should show a 4 minute empty unedited flight to show its possible before getting crazy.

@MetalGearMk3 4 ай бұрын

Solid state battery?

@rale0822 4 ай бұрын

Zur Erinnerung, Daniel Wiegand, 2015: Topspeed 400 km/h, 500 km Reichweite, max. Startgewicht 600 kg, Serienstart: Januar 2018 Ich glaube ihm jedes Wort 😂 Aber egal, wie er den Investoren seit Jahren das Geld aus der Tasche zieht und sie gleichzeitig bei Laune hält - sensationell 👏

@willykang1293 4 ай бұрын

I got the answer from your introduction now. Lilium has ten battery packs. That’s exactly like what I was imaging because I had pondering that if Lilium lost one packs, then there’re still other available packs are still working then gradually bring the aircraft down to ground in balence.

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

The battery probably exploded and is burning if something happened to it. I'd rather drop than burn

@Estanislaogiralt 4 ай бұрын

Top

@user-ov5pz4zc3o 4 ай бұрын

한국 LG에너지 솔루션에서 1회 충전으로 900km를 갈수 있는 베터리를 개발 했어요 LG에너지솔루션과 베터리부분을 협의해 보는게 어떨지?

@zeroqool1 3 ай бұрын

With all due respect, their development work was based on Electric Vehicles (EV's/Cars) not eVTOL's (Flying Vehicles). It will require much more energy ( factors for consideration are weight, air resistance, distance etc...) to sustain flight, which they have not proven at this time. Please be advise that Honda is developing a Hybrid solution (Gas/Battery) to overcome these obstacles.

@MarshallTownRat 4 ай бұрын

I remember when they said it would have 300km range :(

@spud1 4 ай бұрын

Yes, 350km in 10 years, based on rate of battery capacity evolution.

@juan.2438 2 ай бұрын

Lithium sulfur cathode and silicon anode battery help

@2thessa2 4 ай бұрын

Sodium-ion are lighter is that true?

@brian60299 4 ай бұрын

sodium-ion will not become standard in the next 10-30 years, it takes manufacturing processes and supply chain to mass produce efficient and solid batteries lithium is here to stay at least in the mid-term future

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@brianben4522 they need to invent one that works before manufacturing. Evtols should do the same.

@2thessa2 4 ай бұрын

@@brian60299 is easier to manufacture

@2thessa2 4 ай бұрын

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@goodfodder 4 ай бұрын

Sodium ion batteries already exist and ship in cars, energy density is less as to weight have no idea

@dirkweindel9492 4 ай бұрын

Daumen drücken!

@savethedeveloper 3 ай бұрын

long range = about 85 miles, or 40 miles round trip.

@zhangzzzzzzzzz 4 ай бұрын

good

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

Will the range be 175 km with maximum payload?

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

Would you trust their answer? Can it fly empty for 4 minutes straight should be the question and they should show proof.

@kingplays5369 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHolding Who hurt you? Did you buy shares when they were 10$ ?

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@@kingplays5369 no but I've been trying to warn people since then.

@kingplays5369 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHolding Bro I’m really sorry I have to tell you this, but what you are saying is just total bs… Look at their battery’s specifications, it‘s ~320 wh/kg (on the cell level) which equals to around 300 kWh for their whole 1500 kg battery (~900 kg for the cell-part and ~600 for surrounding structures etc.). How on earth do you calculate 4 minutes of flight time based on these numbers? 😂

@kingplays5369 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHolding Take the exact numbers with a grain of salt, I‘m not an engineer, let alone an aerospace engineer, but I believe the calculation is at least fairly accurate…

@earlgreystoke3324 4 ай бұрын

Energy density matters... Li-Po = 1 MJ/kg while Jet A = 43 MJ/kg

@TheArrowheadVenom 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, many people forget that efficiency is not the only thing that matters. The Lilium may be energy efficient, but it's got to be mass-efficient. Can we measure km/kg? Range relative to cargo weight capacity?

@earlgreystoke3324 4 ай бұрын

@@TheArrowheadVenomAgreed!

@gpaull2 4 ай бұрын

If I had a dollar for every promise of future battery tech that’s just a few years away…🙄 Batteries HAVE NOT gained 6-7% or 4.5% per year in recent history. Simply “believing” that it will is total BS.

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

Lithium batteries not much better than 20 years ago.

@EarthCreature. 4 ай бұрын

You're incompetent. Density & factor formats have wildly exploded last year alone

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@@EarthCreature. lol not

@tonyb4773 4 ай бұрын

If you look at the 20 year trend, it's 5% per year. There are of course better and worse years, but 5% is the average. It's easy to be carried away with announcements of new cells, but it takes quite a few years to get from the lab to certified commercial use. And most fail on the way for a wide variety of reasons.

@goodfodder 4 ай бұрын

Agreed unless something completely new comes around the corner, density is near it’s peak. Only production costs are likely to be significantly reduced, leading to the possibility of larger battery packs - however in a plane there are obvious limits

@gegitur Ай бұрын

thanks for battery 101 intro. I would rather convince customer for trashed stock

@Mango_B 4 ай бұрын

The cost is $2 per passenger kilometer per customer in an airline????? FALSE

@jean-marcducommun8185 4 ай бұрын

To me this startup looks and feels like a solution looking for a problem already solved long ago. Batteries just don’t have the stamina needed for energy hungry applications.

@NiceGuyNotSo 4 ай бұрын

$2 per passenger kilometer - isn`t that a bit much for an electric aircraft?

@0Turbox 4 ай бұрын

It's for sure no poor man's ride. The jet itself costs 10 Mill. on top. But it's like with all new stuff, someone has to pay for the R&D.

@EarthCreature. 4 ай бұрын

It's faster & cheaper than a taxi

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

2:34 eCTOL? 😂 Why don’t you just call it an electric aeroplane?

@vincentsmith9562 4 ай бұрын

Not enough info. 175 Kim is that after allowing for reserve in the battery. not much. What’s the speed? For how many people Only 6 ? what if you lose 2 battery power packs ? Waiting 7 years to double the distance is way too long. Haven’t seen this beast flying with a pilot yet Think you have missed out heaps of important info. So take it we have to presume the bare minimum. So when will you have your first commercial flight. You haven’t got that far yet.

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

Talk is cheap. Fly a giant battery for 5 unedited minutes.

@EarthCreature. 4 ай бұрын

You can't stop embarrassing yourself and working for free, adding to Lilium's algorithm 🤣🤣 You 🤡

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@@EarthCreature. They should be embarrassed that they can't fly a full sized craft. I don't care about the algorithm I wish more people made videos about evtol. I think only ai robots care to make videos and that's strange considering all the money. Do you think it's wrong to want proof their prototype can fly empty for 5 straight minutes? That should be easy.

@notmyname9876 22 күн бұрын

"Flight Range (2040) : 1,100km)" so they're just making a wild-ass guess about what batteries will be able to do 17 years from now. If this was a serious company and not just a scheme to acquire investment money they would publish current 2024 flight range numbers using the real batteries that are in the platform. The fact that they don't actually tell you what the product can actually do should be a red flag for any investor.

@starwaves6024 4 ай бұрын

I sense the engineers are over engineering.

@zeroqool1 4 ай бұрын

Hybrid VTOL (Gas/Batteries) is the way to go. The Single Point of Failure as it relates to this 100% battery eVTOL (cold temperatures, system malfunctions, electromagnetic pulses etc..) and it's circuitry is the 10K pound elephant in the room. I am NOT convinced that this vehicle is SAFE for the public.

@thet0ast3r 4 ай бұрын

How many months until you go bankrupt? After the IPO, you already slashed your valuation to 1/10th of the original one.

@vaughnbay 3 ай бұрын

Isn't this thing a 2/3 scale model? The vehicle shown in this clip has not and will not carry a human...correct? Has there been a real human being carried in a Lilium "Fan" yet? Everyone else is carrying people now, right? If this thing does not perform, it will be in trouble. And since it will only carry 3 big boys with full airline baggage it may be in trouble anyway.

@RudyRender 3 ай бұрын

Big mistake not going for hydrogen. Toyota is super confident on their hydrogen capabilities, and hydrogen gas is so accessible.

@TheBagOfHolding Ай бұрын

They are heavier than lithium batteries.

@ScumfuckMcDoucheface 4 ай бұрын

I don't trust him, his hair is too beautiful.

@EarthCreature. 4 ай бұрын

lol.

@jonpetter8921 4 ай бұрын

That s because European has style :D

@user-xg8qy6xw8i 4 ай бұрын

ha😂😂😂

@burtonlee22 4 ай бұрын

It’s Not A Jet !!

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

Be constructive. What’s a better name?

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

@@avigator a boondoggle

@burtonlee22 4 ай бұрын

@@avigator a Name that does not misrepresent the underlying technology

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

@@burtonlee22 So, what‘s that name?

@goodfodder 4 ай бұрын

an electro air duct

@kioly_ah 4 ай бұрын

in next 7 years....the market share not wait for your progression speed. european innovation speed is lag of the China and US. the derisking means your integration speed is behind your competitors.

@jonpetter8921 4 ай бұрын

They are being realistic and safe. No need to brag about something unrealistic.

@avigator 4 ай бұрын

Which competitors?

@starwaves6024 4 ай бұрын

@avigator Joby...Beta Tech...Archer.. Wisk....etc.

@jonpetter8921 4 ай бұрын

@@starwaves6024 Lilium is one of the few companies to make serie of public flying tests on their channel here on YT also one of the companies that has come along with their design interior of exterior.

@ALC656 4 ай бұрын

⁠@@jonpetter8921flight test with no substance

@wkj200246 4 ай бұрын

Lilium has no money

@hafizuddinmohdlowhim8426 4 ай бұрын

175km range??? 😅 good luck.

@TheBagOfHolding 4 ай бұрын

I'd be impressed with that. Nobody in the world has done anything close. They will not either.

@hafizuddinmohdlowhim8426 4 ай бұрын

@@TheBagOfHolding 😂😂

@timfulwell8472 2 ай бұрын

That’s what their type certification is going to say. The regulators would not put it on if they weren’t sure.

@unclewerner 4 ай бұрын

Scam alert: emotions instead of facts. Professional marketing videos instead of showing the progress as it happens. Same story as other startups of the region. Any one remembers Sono? The one investment you have to make if you like to DREAM of flying (or driving) in a better future.

@EarthCreature. 4 ай бұрын

Says the half wit using emotions, capital letters and nonsensical hysteria

@unclewerner 4 ай бұрын

@@shwiwowh Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Many companies burned years of investment in the FAA certification process with the only outcome of going bankrupt and they actually had flying prototypes that were carrying people. But like I said, it's a great dream well sold.

@tobiasreichelt888 3 ай бұрын

Wenigstens versuchen sie es und bringen Risikokapital nach Deutschland. Ein Umweltheli mit 100NM Reichweite ist jetzt auch kein Weltretter, aber ein Schritt in die richtige Richtung. Höhere Gleitzahl, höheres Batterie/MTOW Verhältnis, neuere Batterien und zack King Air Niveau