Lithuania: Pagan Vs Catholic - Medieval 2 Total War Guide

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MELKOR

MELKOR

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to a Medieval 2 Kingdoms Total War: Teutonic Campaign Guide for Lithuania.
At a random turn, after turn 25, Lithuania receives the option to convert to Catholic. Historically they did this.
But should you make that same choice in game?
This video breaks down the advantages and disadvantages of each religion for Lithuania and why I think you should pick up over the other.
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Enjoy : )

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@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
This of course just my opinion. As shown by the Polls, some people will disagree. : ) Which route would you go, and why? What faction should I look into next? The Western Roman Empire in Barbarian Invasion would be an obvious idea. Any others?
@damjan4435
@damjan4435 4 жыл бұрын
If it has to be rome or med II, then the saxons, or sassanids, if not, the getae in Rome II
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 4 жыл бұрын
Pagan all the way. Hail perkunas.
@idontlikerome2744
@idontlikerome2744 4 жыл бұрын
Christianity all the way because Jesus and how about the Berbers from RTW Barbarian Invasion?
@PyrrhicPax
@PyrrhicPax 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I go w the Pagans just to be a rebel. I've always thought gunpowder units are kinda useless anyway. W so many aggressive melee armies in medieval 2.
@insertjokeh3r3
@insertjokeh3r3 4 жыл бұрын
Are those pagan infantry not effected by the 2 handed glitch?
@soldatnr444
@soldatnr444 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely Pagan, especially for Giltine. Those Chosen Ones even shred the heaviest teutonic infantry, Ritterbrüder stand no chance. But they're actually more powerful than they should be, having a shield of 8 despite having no shield at all.
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 4 жыл бұрын
Its a fix to "two handed glitch". The glitch doesent exist, shielded units are just superior. Not always, but mostly. Giltines chosen and readily available dzukijan horsemen is just too overpowred combo to let go of paganism.
@arazeth5562
@arazeth5562 4 жыл бұрын
@alvi syahri That "glitch" is only apparent when a two-handed unit has a lower defensive skill than a one-handed unit, which in vanilla all units have. They increased the defensive skill in kingdoms for all two-handers and decreased it for all one-handers so that two-handed unit actually block incoming attacks instead of taking it an dying. The shield value does nothing or almost nothing for melee combat and is only useful for taking missile hits better. You can fix the problem with two-handers and one-handers in vanilla aswell if you do what I said earlier, one-handers need less defensive skill and two-handers need more, that's it. Edit: I said "glitch" in quotes, because it is not a glitch but only a problem of stat balance between units.
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 4 жыл бұрын
@alvi syahri nothing. Ther is no glitch. Its just animation mostly. Its like that because of low two handed unit defense. Shields increase defense against everything from the front and left, thats why two handed lacked it. Two handers always had pretty good armour and defense skill. That means they can defend better from the right, but lack that dice roll, when attacked from the front simply because of lower overall defense. 5 armour and 5 defense skill will just do horribly against like 3 armour, 3 defense skill and 5 shield. Look at varangian guard, for example. They have pretty high defense and can actually fighy other shielded infantry.
@HeliodromusScorpio
@HeliodromusScorpio 4 жыл бұрын
Lithuania is one of the most unique factions in med 2
@lennydale92
@lennydale92 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I love how you get different units for each Pagan God. Gives your game a lot of variety!
@DarthNicky
@DarthNicky 4 жыл бұрын
Another thing to think about in terms of economy is that you can just wait for the other factions to upgrade their larger settlements before taking them. I’ve gotten citadels and huge cities as pagan in the later game just from taking them
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
True, never thought about that. : )
@milovantolic8821
@milovantolic8821 3 жыл бұрын
My case too.
@dominykassimonis2180
@dominykassimonis2180 4 жыл бұрын
as a lithuanian, i can confirm that you said the lithuanian names 50% correctly of the time,pretty nice for a foreigner
@buckethatboi274
@buckethatboi274 Жыл бұрын
“Divas” “Dievis” idk his pronouncement of dievas is pretty goofy
@buckethatboi274
@buckethatboi274 Жыл бұрын
“Divas” “Dievis” idk his pronouncement of dievas is pretty goofy
@Inquisitor_Vex
@Inquisitor_Vex Жыл бұрын
@@buckethatboi274he’s a Yorkshireman, even his English sounds goofy! 😂
@omicroneridani7456
@omicroneridani7456 2 жыл бұрын
It's indeed a pity I found out this outstanding channel too late. Melkor has turned into Melgone, right, but this Yorkshire lad and his peculiar, mesmerising speech deserve all the views and likes a total war (but not just that) enthusiast can give.
@emilrousseau4752
@emilrousseau4752 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video ! I really love your content keep Working !
@alfieingrouille1528
@alfieingrouille1528 4 жыл бұрын
love your content keep up the good work
@nonancourt
@nonancourt 4 жыл бұрын
It would be cool to see a few simulated AI campaigns starting from when the event fires, and seeing if a christian or pagan Lithuania does better. Keep up the good content Melkor
@DarthNicky
@DarthNicky 4 жыл бұрын
Pagan gang Pagan gang
@yobitchcantfindme5288
@yobitchcantfindme5288 4 жыл бұрын
What​ the​ point​ of​ playing​ Lithuania​ if​ you​ become​ing​ a​ Catholic?
@holdenennis
@holdenennis 3 жыл бұрын
It means the Teutonic Order will cease aggressively attacking you with crusading armies, which is really important on harder difficulties.
@bruetel436
@bruetel436 3 жыл бұрын
@@holdenennis because that worked out irl.
@idontlikerome2744
@idontlikerome2744 4 жыл бұрын
5:22 that sweet moment that ur artillery hits the enemy general And Jesus Lithuania all the way! The new sheep will be the best sheep
@iceintheair
@iceintheair 4 жыл бұрын
woodsmen with bombard cannons... wish i knew this was a thing 7 years ago
@runswithbears3517
@runswithbears3517 Жыл бұрын
I wish they had made the pagan route more viable, or made the catholic conversion feel more unique. The choice is kind of bad both ways. Either stay pagan and deal with the fact you can't build up your provinces very far nor convert them, and your units lack late-game potential, or go catholic and give up most of what makes the faction unique.
@cangooz2240
@cangooz2240 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always,here is the next idea make video about special abilities of hero/general abilities in crusade campaign
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
I like it : )
@selder_7
@selder_7 4 жыл бұрын
Going catholic should put a massive debuff on the tectonic order since the job they were originally sent for is now done, obviously they’ll stay and keep fighting because they were just using that as an excuse but still
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
That would have been interesting. Would have made playing the Teutonic Order more interesting also.
@Asbestos_
@Asbestos_ 4 жыл бұрын
Historically there was a temporary ceasefire but shortly after they just stopped giving a damn and went for us. We all know how that turned out lol
@markhirsch6301
@markhirsch6301 3 жыл бұрын
@@Asbestos_ yeah, they became prussia *After getting their crap pushed in and becoming irrelevant
@earthling4305
@earthling4305 2 жыл бұрын
I think the thing that typically happens is Poland turns on them almost immediately if Lithuania converts. Medieval II is just so good
@Sharnoy1
@Sharnoy1 4 жыл бұрын
5:28 But there's a butt. And it's a very very big big BUTT. No-one believes there was no pun intended :D
@shrekas2966
@shrekas2966 4 жыл бұрын
For me, paganism wins every time, because conversion is too hard. Arquebusers are the only positive thing. Paganism in a nutshel. Cities can produce heavy cav, heavy infantry or missile cav. Castles on the other hand can produce similar heavy inf and missile cav, but cannot train heavy cav. Just swap all castles to cities, get increase of economy and make better units. Simple. Psganism is just better.
@markhirsch6301
@markhirsch6301 3 жыл бұрын
So it seems they go full Rome 1 then
@FreelancerCZ
@FreelancerCZ 3 жыл бұрын
Ive just started my second playthrough, after the first one on hardest where I was wrecked from all sides so I tried a tricky move, I gave all my cities to Novgorod, traded them for 3 of theirs (so there was another faction - ally on the west) and I could focus on the north.
@lisboah
@lisboah Жыл бұрын
I was playing Lithuania and got the choice to convert to Catholicism around Turn 60. However, by that point, I had pretty much wiped out the Teutonic Order, was starting to advance on Poland that backstabbed me, and had a very stable alliance with Novgorod. The Pagan units were very useful in achieving this, and I would lose all of them if I was to convert. Poland would get the upper-hand while I tried to rebuild my armies, and both the Mongols and Denmark would probably try to attack me. There was no way that I would convert simply for the chance to get gunpowder and be more liked by my neighbors.
@dunkabiscuit1234
@dunkabiscuit1234 4 жыл бұрын
4:44 Stonks
@Samurai_64
@Samurai_64 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you’d get a little video clip when you built the highest tier temple like how Catholic factions get a video for building a huge cathedral
@90Rush
@90Rush 4 жыл бұрын
I think there are two ways to get the conversion offer. First is that you get beaten so hard that you have fewer than 5 or something settlements. (I don't know if there is a turn limit to this) You'll get the conversion offer. If you did not receive this offer, or you refused, you'll get offered around turn 50 something. I just completed a Lithu pagan playthrough. The pagan units noticeably are very cheap for what they actually worth. Not just the units, buildings as well. Only 4200 total florins needed for Giltine's temple, very cheap. The economy pressure can be further lowered by going majority cities in mid game. Even though you may still need a few castles for the spear/axe and shield infantry that can hold the line, but all other useful units can be, and can only be trained in cities as cities can upgrade temples while castles can't. Converting is a huge mess; after conversion, majority of your military will have to come from castles, and you need a stunning lot of money to upgrade and build military buildings.
@satyakisil9711
@satyakisil9711 4 жыл бұрын
The Latvian Crossbowmen are too hard to resist.
@Canaris4
@Canaris4 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I never put that much weight to the conversion as a dilema in the Tutonic Campaign. The real dilemma is whether or not you should upgrade your towns into Large Towns, since the terrain for the Villages and Towns are so fun to defend with. From Large Towns upwards you lose that massive hill that forms the town centre.
@maxomat4319
@maxomat4319 4 жыл бұрын
I normally create mounted archers and heavy cav armies you shouldn´t autoresolve in them but Shooting teutonic armies to shreds is fun and why are the teutons still alive at turn 43?
@laurynassuperkavoliukas9396
@laurynassuperkavoliukas9396 4 жыл бұрын
Can someone make Lithuania campaign video series? Would be awesome :)
@theimperialowl1011
@theimperialowl1011 4 жыл бұрын
I actually like the Dievas guard. They're decent heavy cav with a strong attack, descent charge, and armor piercing. They also have better morale than most other cav the Lithuanians have which means they don't instantly break if they're in a sticky situation.
@Randomstuffs261
@Randomstuffs261 4 жыл бұрын
Melkor can you tell us how to rank up units? I see them ranking up in battle when they glow in rome total war, but i have literally no idea what causes this Thank you my liege
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
It's experience they gain for doing different stuff. Like a hit = 1xp and a kill =2xp, for example. I'll look into and see if exact figures are clear, but I doubt I will find anything.
@Randomstuffs261
@Randomstuffs261 4 жыл бұрын
@@MelkorGG My sincere thanks , noble lord
@jonasgpayer
@jonasgpayer 5 ай бұрын
Giltine Chosen are the best unit in the game. Only one with 26 on defense, bonus against Calvary charge, and attack as good as the best infanteries. They are no broken just because the unit has less soldier as usual, sadly. Sometimes appears a image during the loading games where Giltines chosens have a full cover helmet, but I never get them in the game.
@elang1702
@elang1702 4 жыл бұрын
How do you play medieval 2 normally, Melkor ? Is it with mods or vanilla
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
Vania
@LorenTR
@LorenTR 4 жыл бұрын
Is there an AI mod for Kingdoms expansion?
@stormrunner4081
@stormrunner4081 4 жыл бұрын
So the death god has the best units well he is doing his job then
@Asbestos_
@Asbestos_ 4 жыл бұрын
She. It's a goddess
@jarskil8862
@jarskil8862 4 жыл бұрын
Perkunas? *Finnish Perkele intensifies*
@gintautassickus6390
@gintautassickus6390 4 жыл бұрын
Perkunas and Perkele fight against each other. Yes I know its complicated.
@sskspartan
@sskspartan 4 жыл бұрын
@@gintautassickus6390 They're all related, as well as Slavic Perun
@gintautassickus6390
@gintautassickus6390 4 жыл бұрын
@@sskspartan Yes Perkunas and Perun are the same god- war god. Perkele translates as devil, making Perkele the god of intrigue.
@jarskil8862
@jarskil8862 4 жыл бұрын
@@sskspartan Christianity blackmailed Perkele. Perkele was one name for Finnish god of Sky and Thunder Ukko. Main god of Finnish Paganism. Christianity turned the word Perkele into curse word meaning Devil/Lucifer. Tho we Finns still commonly use Perkele in various situations~ its super flexible word that can mean good and bad things. Example PeRRkele! = Godddamit Perkeleen hyvä! = Damn good! Perkeleen perkele = Shit fuck
@Sharnoy1
@Sharnoy1 4 жыл бұрын
It is common for Christianity to demonize old pagan gods and pagan rituals because they conflict with the new Christian God and Christian rituals making converting people much harder. That is why many old gods' names started to mean similar things with the Devil and Anti-Christ. It's an invention by priests and nobility and it's completely understandable from their point of view.
@Trexmaster12
@Trexmaster12 4 жыл бұрын
Melkor, I have three questions about the game (and any other TW game, if possible) using console commands: 1) Can you switch factions during in-game? (eg. playing as Gaul and switch to Egypt during the same campaign mid-game) 2a) Can you add/erase buildings from settlements that would, otherwise, be inaccesible or impossible? (eg. playing as SPQR, introduce a console command to have all the Roman temples; and erase infrastructure such as walls & roads) 2b) If you can, does the game crash during battles in those affected settlements?
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
1. Not yet, but I know some modders are working on a tool like that. 2. I don't think so. 3. And yes, it would crash. XD The 3 answers you probably did not want to here : )
@learnoreldarion620
@learnoreldarion620 4 жыл бұрын
2a Technically, if you mess around with the export_decsr_building you can make that happen for certain factions. Don't know why one would want to delete the walls or roads, but it can be done. Edit: not by console command, but by messing with files.
@danielhughes3316
@danielhughes3316 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just wondering why your voice sounds so deep lol
@dazhibernian
@dazhibernian 2 жыл бұрын
What are pagan? Like old gods? Odin Thor etc?
@lennydale92
@lennydale92 4 жыл бұрын
I am currently in the middle of a Lithuania campaign and have defeated the Teutonic order so I feel no need to Convert to Catholicism. Novgorod have been my allies the whole game and I am so close to getting rid of the Mongols and Polish!
@jorgejustice
@jorgejustice 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that this was a review of stainless steel lithuania. I used them and campaign mode and it is so difficult! Right off the bat you're surrounded by independent and rebel city-states where you could just take a bunch of territory without pissing off any faction. But after about 15 or 20 turns, everybody starts to encroach on you. All of your enemies are Christian and hostile to your pagan religion. It's easy to piss off one of your Catholic neighbors and the pope will call a crusade to take over Vilinus, biggest castle and your capital... Another thing is a lot of your castles which give you the best units are so spread out and also you're better units all cost money to keep in the field. With free upkeeping castles, it's hard to make the decision whether you want to move them out and fight and conquer more territory, or just keep them stagnant but free for a while in case of an emergency. I just wanted to see if anybody else used the Lithuania in stainless steel campaign mode and had any issues with them
@ssimoonxd9227
@ssimoonxd9227 3 жыл бұрын
Is this a mod because I can't find Lithuania in Custom Battle...
@premiercherdenko
@premiercherdenko 3 жыл бұрын
It's the Kingdoms expansion's Teutonic campaign
@untukkepentingan6207
@untukkepentingan6207 3 жыл бұрын
Convert the Teutons to paganism:3
@90Rush
@90Rush 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, for Teutonic campaign specifically, if you want to play a generic Catholic faction ... maybe just play Denmark or Poland.
@ClamMan1989
@ClamMan1989 6 ай бұрын
I don't know man, considering you get your best units from cities, pagan Lithuania can get very wealthy...
@constantinople777christens5
@constantinople777christens5 3 жыл бұрын
I am allied with the papal states as pagan and conquering africa and the Aztecs as a pagan to see if can be done.
@badjuju8624
@badjuju8624 4 жыл бұрын
I got the offer to turn to Catholicism right after I'd wiped out the Teutons. I did not just wipe out an entire faction and kill thousands of people just to wind up converting and letting them get the moral victory.
@valeriussulpiciusmaximus8392
@valeriussulpiciusmaximus8392 4 жыл бұрын
Trying to spot Alessandro and Cristiano in the comments. XD
@niekasnieko3177
@niekasnieko3177 4 жыл бұрын
Kinda ironic that it is called temple of Dievas (translation: God, singular form) which is kinda implying that this temple is dedicated to one god and not a variety of pagan gods xd
@SamuelHallEngland
@SamuelHallEngland 4 жыл бұрын
The best M2TW expansion is Britannia imho! The Americas expansion is the most boring too.
@thezukazujshow6552
@thezukazujshow6552 Жыл бұрын
the Lithuanian flag is so wrong in this game XD it should be all red and then the horseman
@herewegoagain1140
@herewegoagain1140 4 жыл бұрын
One God is so boring 😴
@MelkorGG
@MelkorGG 4 жыл бұрын
YEAH! XD
@iceintheair
@iceintheair 4 жыл бұрын
one god: i shleep many god: REAL SHIT?!
@DrillEntertainmentNetwork
@DrillEntertainmentNetwork 4 жыл бұрын
pagan gang
@trygveblacktiger597
@trygveblacktiger597 4 жыл бұрын
I mostly stay Pagan for spice.... and im a Neo Pagan in real life so it is abit religious for me :p
@svon1
@svon1 Жыл бұрын
the perkunas temple is far more op than you think ....these crossbow man hit hard and combine that with Giltine here and there and bam you just saved money on barracks and Archery's
@OliverdeClisson
@OliverdeClisson Жыл бұрын
I played with Lithuania two times on very hard difficulty and its extremly hard. couldnt beat the teutonic order and then poland who was allied with TO and Mongols attacked me and thats it.
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