With thanks to Flex of United View (kzfaq.info/love/QWkxGgZFv3VcrwqwIIGFgA) and Paul Machin of The Redmen TV (kzfaq.info)

These episodes are actually watchable and entertaining when Ty isnt in them.

This was a good one. Rational and balanced discussion, not baseless claims coming from pure tribalism.

The way that “Filmed before Man Utd v Athletico Madrid” just casually slipped onto the screen was just majestic

This was the best episode yet. Both guys heard eachother out and had a laugh while bring up good points.

Finally, two people who aren't at each other's throats.

"We've got Ralf now. He's set us up tactically to not get beaten 5-0." Well, he was right. He set them up to get beaten 4-0.

This honestly might be the most likeable and calm football fan debate video yet.

This is the most enjoyable conversation between a Liverpool and a United fan.

Feel sorry for Flex. No one can win a debate Paul or Chris from Redmen.

Most logical and calm discussion I’ve seen here to date

Saying he‘d rather have Pogba than Henderson shows they absolutely learned nothing! What they need is someone like Hendo

The statement of rather having pogba than Henderson in United current state shows the problem with United is top to bottom years of cowboy management has filtered into the fans

Really enjoyed this one, it's so refreshing to see two rival football fans having a rational debate about their teams. Plus I enjoy watching both Flex and Paul from the United Stand and Redmen TV, they're great representatives of their fanbases.

Finally we get well represented by a United Fan, thank you Flex! Great discussion as well

As a Liverpool fan, glad to see that Paul and Flex can have a bit of banter without getting nasty. Humility is largely missing from the modern world but I saw both yield to fair points.

Historically the biggest game in the prem is United vs Liverpool. Recently its by FAR city vs Liverpool, its always the match that impresses every time and its usually the title decider

Two different types of player. Scholes was a tactician and Gerrard was a general. It's not really fair to compare the two as they were both the best at different styles of play. If I was to argue for Gerrard I'd say that Scholes had one of the best man utd teams around him when Gerrard dragged Liverpool through some hard times and kept us competitive

Now this was a great video, two rational fans actually being able to speak and talk, actually putting reasonable arguments out for all the points, even the ones where they get a little trapped. Please get more people like these two.

For some reason " but Gerard played with Aquilani" had me dead haha

Loved this. Both lads presented their arguments well and listened when the other made their point.

Flex: “We will qualify for the CL by winning it this season” 🤣🤣🤣

Best discussion we’ve had yet, proper debate and well made points, not just pure hatred for the other team

Probably the best debate , conversation,and analysis between Manchester United and Liverpool dudes .No contradiction ,no argue just listening one another's word and then commenting .We want these type of things .

Look Scholes was one of my fav midfielders, but as an honest United fan, Gerrard was insane

I love these videos especially when the two fans are as civil and accepting as they are in this video. However, the comment section within them is always such a clusterfuck and is the worst part of them

Gary Neville admitted he wanted Gerrard at United. Why would you want to bring Gerrard to a team that supposedly has the greatest prem midfielder? lol same for Mourinho wanting to bring Gerrard to Chelsea. Speaks volumes.

This was amazing! Just a nice kick back and relax type of sports debate.

This is absolutely amazing. Loved the convo

When he referred back to Arsenals invincibles, that was the perfect timing for a clip of Ty going invincibles,invincibles ,invincibles, invincibles!!!!! 🤣

17:33 I love how even the united fan didn't believe what he said himself 😂😂😂

Thanks for having me! Proper enjoyed that! Not sure about Pauls takes tho lol

Take scholes out of united they still would of won everything they won, take gerrard out of Liverpool and we probably wouldn’t have won a single thing in that era, carried Liverpool on his back for 15 years when he could have gone elsewhere and won everything, and for that he will always be above scholes

Gerrard holds the record for most appearances in the PFA team of the year 8 for a reason. Not to mention included in the world XL 3 times.

Gerrard was the complete midfielder. He was a leader and a captain.had a wide passing range.could head the ball.could tackle. Could score all type of goals and assist

“Give Salah an empty contract so he can put what ever number he wants”……come on flex lol 😂. Y’all don’t learn at United 😂😂😂

Congrats to you both for a great debate!

You can’t beat Paul in these debates. He’s such a rational, balanced LFC fan

Agree to disagree what a segment keep it coming ladbible🥳

This is a great palette cleanser from the other intense debates

Finally one of these videos I didn’t have to turn off. Two interesting people talking reasonably

Just compare what both players won individually; Gerrard won so much more than Scholes it's scary really. I know United fans will point to Scholes trophies but that's more of an indictment of how good that United team was, not one particular player. I think the fact Scholes couldn't even make one of the 2 CM positions for England his own, above Gerrard or Lampard says it all really.

Flex is such a genuine fan. As a Chelsea fan he almost gets my empathy for his team. I still hold Mata & Matic highly & believe Man United just wasted these 2 players by taking them off us. 2 quality players that are never used properly.

Great debate. Such respect between the two.

Love it when the two people actually listen to each other

You can't argue with Paul he will run rings around you.

You need to invite the boys from the stretford paddock channel for these! Love to see Stephen Howdson have a go. Love these videos keep them coming!!

This was one of the best ones! Two decent lads

Everyone makes fun of Arsenal's 03/04 Invincibles but do they know how good those 20 Premier League teams were at that time? Today you only need to worry about Man City and Liverpool and that's it. I really wanna see Jordan Henderson or Rodri go up against just Patrick Vieira in midfield 🤣

I'm an Arsenal fan and I thoroughly enjoyed their debate. Respectful, logical, constructive and informative through out👍

Big up Paul for mentioning that Marcus Rashford is an amazing human being ❤️🔥 I also agree he would fit Liverpool like a glove (if he didn’t have a career for man United) the guy is my age (23) and he’s done more for people in the uk than most government officials. Rashford has already secured a lifelong legacy in my eyes but doesn’t get talked about in a positive light enough 👏🏼👏🏼

Gerrard in those Utd teams wins everything and possibly more than Scholes did Scholes in those Liverpool teams wins nothing because he couldn’t carry them like Gerrard did

19:58 that aged well 🤣🤣🤣

Sick video Fleck, you'd never get this level of rationality with the likes of Ty 😊 keep it real big man

These two really balanced each other out - fantastic episode this

Lampard could shoot Scholes could pass Gerrard could do it all

Ronaldo is so not a Jurgen Klopp player. Ronaldo is better than Firmino atm but Firmino is better for Liverpool’s system

Scholes is massively famous with English football fans. But as someone who isn’t English, I can say with a decent degree of confidence that Steven Gerrard is more highly regarded outside of England.

It's worth noting that despite Liverpool getting 97 & 99 pts, in those 2 seasons combined they lost 15 games in all competitions including SEVEN in the champions league. Lucky to have won a champions league with that record. Obviously ManUtd in the treble season only lost 3 PL games, zero defeats in both the FAcup & CL (with the hardest route any winner has ever had in FAcup & you can't get much harder CL route either, whilst also being top scorers by far in PL & CL). Followed by retaining the PL title with 91pts winning by 18pts, again top scorers by far in PL (97 goals). Followed by retaining the PL again in 2000/01 won that year at a canter as well. Could literally afford to only get 4 pts out of a possible 15 in the last 5 games and still win by double figures. Also the format of the CL that ManUtd won in 1998/99 was the hardest due to more actual "champions" and also only the group winners progress to the knockout stage and just 2 runners up from 6 group's. And then the format that ran from 1999/00 until 2002/03 had the most games because it had 2 group stages and yet in 99/00 ManUtd only reached QF (lost to eventual winners Real Madrid) but only lost 3 CL games out of 14. But you still accept that 3 CL defeats you weren't quite good enough. Liverpool lose 4 in 13 and win the trophy so I don't wanna hear them talk about being unlucky to lose title with 97pts plus Liverpool also wouldn't have made it through their group had the fixture scheduling been slightly different and their last game wasn't home vs the team they're competing with for 2nd which was a massive advantage both times in fact that they won this latest format of the CL was mainly due to having to beat a team last group game who they're competing with to scrape 2nd place at Anfield with the crowd etc...dragging them over the line. If they're away last they are eliminated both 2004/05 & 2018/19.

Scholesy is great, but he aint capable of carrying that LFC team in the early 2000s to a yearly top 4 finish. No way

Debate 101: "Once you've written something it's done." "Have you ever sang about SG falling over?"

Both these guys were brilliant, heard each other’s points and not just randomly attacking each other reminds me of me and one of my best mates who supports United 😅😂we used to take the piss out of each other from school times but now grown up 😎😂 got mature conversations like this. Respect to United tho, I will always consider them a great club with a great city too (Manchester).

12:30 one season and compare it to multiple seasons, the statement already broken if season to season, absolutely agree

Honest take as a Liverpool fan. I used to like it when Scholes was playing because I felt we could get at him. Scholes was great at passing but like Pogba in the sense you needed legs around him. Think Scholes was more set for Spanish football. I preferred Scholes to play over Fletcher/Anderson at the time, obviously they aren't in the same league The better argument to compare is Alonso or Scholes. Like Mach said. Scholes wasn't really good at dribbling, heading, tackling or particularly fast. An Ferguson dropped him in big games and tried to get Veron in over him at one time,Gerrard on the other hand you have to be extremely biased to say Gerrard wasn't the complete player. Could do everything and he traded his love for Liverpool over playing for the likes of Real.

I think what Scholes offered to United was so different to what Gerrard was to Liverpool that it’s hard to compare the two. Gerrard was the most well rounded midfielder the prem has seen, but Scholes offered a level of control to a game that Gerrard couldn’t. Inseparable and pretty hard to compare the two tbh

Paul and Chris are the GOATs of the independent football entertainment universe. They always end up wellying their opponents in these debates. Keep it up boys ❤️💪🏻

18:05 liverpool vs man utd was a game of high quality football even during the 90s and 00s when man utd was dominating the league and liverpool was not

I love Scholes but you gotta respect what Gerrard did with a lot less talent around him. Constantly pulling a rabbit out a hat to save Liverpool in massive games. He was incredible!!

nobody rated Scholes until he retired, shouldnt even be in the same category as Lampard or Gerrard

Varane won 4 champion's league and won the world cup. I don't think anyone would take Matip over him outside Liverpool.

HAAA i love this one. Both parties know the strength and basis for their arguments, and proceed to have civil discussions.

From a city fan, he was. Gerrard probably best English player ever for me

You was right! Ralf set you up so you didn’t lose 5-0.. you lost 4-0 😅

Being an outsider… I would say that Fergie’s United is what solidified the club in the world as being the face of the premiership with Liverpool and Arsenal as close 2nd and Chelsea/City as 3/4 Being that Gerrard was the face of a successful Liverpool era… and a “better” 2 way player… he’ll probably have the tables tipped his way. Scholes however maybe as good of a playmaker as any… If Zidane is the benchmark of a total midfielder, it’s hard not to look at Gerrard as a close 2nd.. but Jesus were there so many who were exceptional in their prime.. kaka, ballack, rivaldo, iniesta, lamps, and my favourite of all Effenberg

I died when it said filmed before the AM game 🤣🤣

I've ever hated another club like I hate United because you destroyed my childhood but because of that o respect them hugely. City doesn't come close on terms of Rivalry for me.

Thing with Scholes is, he was probably the only English player who had the technical ability to get into that that great Barca side managed by Pep. And that is the peak for any midfielder imo

Xavi zidane and Ronaldinho have all said gerrard is the greatest English midfielder they’ve seen. And zidane wanted him to come into Madrid when he was going to leave since they was going to lose 2 playmakers in zidane and beckham.

"Who makes the best cup of tea?" Lol 😆 🤣 😂

Love Paul. And that statement that Matip is the 2nd best CB is 100% correct.

As a French Liverpool Fan, MU doesn’t manage well Paul Pogba. He is so gifted, just watch how he plays for France and you will understand that MU never used him properly. He is a true leader.

Why do LadBible always choose the most stubborn and or loyal fans, you are entitled to your own thoughts even tho you are a fan. Im a Liverpool fan, and still think the impact of Ronaldo shocked PL and the world at that time more then Salah ever did.. even tho Salah has been a beast at Liverpool. Aleast they werent overly stubborn this time and they had a good discussion. Theese two are the best best episode yet, great discussion!

Hey Ladbible it would be really cool if you got sharky or any of the other podcast members from SDS to debate it would be really fun to watch

Gerrard was absolutely insane man, could do it all. Gerrard got into the pfa team of the year more than any other player and got into the uefa team of the year numerous times too , and came third in balon dor and was voted by his peers almost every year. Scholes never even got into the uefa team of the year nor got a single vote. Just my opinion. People always say everybody regarded Scholes as one of the best ever but none of his peers ever voted for him for anything

I don’t know if this is a relevant point for whose got the best team between Klopps team and Fergusons team because villa had decent teams in the past and isn’t very good now but I am always scared when we play city or Liverpool in hoping that we lose 1-0 instead of 4,5,6-0 whereas Man Utd ALWAYS beat us but can’t really remember getting totally demolished, as there was a few really good games, a couple of times we went 1/2-0

As a Liverpool fan since 1978, I like the way this guy makes our arguments. Walk on...and Zidane did say Gerrard by the way...

I’m a massive Liverpool fan but you can’t say Paul Scholes wasn’t good! Absolute class player

Joel matip has got to be one the greatest signings of all time. Got him on a free and he's been a Liverpool 6 years now. Liverpool finishing 2nd place in 2019 were 18 points better off than man uniteds 99 team. Thats 6 games 😬 Gerrard played with alonso, mascherano, dietmar hamann, raul morieles and this fella brings up cheyrou and aquialani 😂 I disagree with the rivalry part. I think in more modern times our biggest rival has been Chelsea and most recently its Man City. The 2 teams are just so good to watch and they both go for it. The Everton game is dead to me. They bare no relevance to me at all. We can draw with them and they think they've won. It's not a match when one of the teams starts with a handicap 😂

I need to know where that green hoodies from

You do know Liverpool have won the European cup, league and league cup in the same season….not a bad treble imo…some seem to forget and always mention the 2001 treble

as a Liverpool fan, both scholes and gerrard were phenomenal. i think gerrard just edges it imo

They’ve use Paul Scholes in the Barcelona academy as an example of how a midfielder dictates the game, as stated by Leo Messi. I think we all know who’s the better midfielder.

15:00 Do u remember Alonso Mascherano Barros COUTINHO

Finally an actual debate rather then just screaming over each other

Paul Scholes was underrated when he was playing but he's become so overrated ever since he retired.

I agree Paul was always proper hyped up, he don’t even deserve to be in the convo with lampard and Gerrard

So much better when it’s a proper debate

You can just only include premier league because playing away in Europe against juventus or inter Barca Bayern would affect your league form. It's crazy when a team losses in all cups and only needs to focuses on the league would get more points than a team fighting on all fronts

I never thought SG got the acclaim he deserved while everyone was always singing the praises of Mr Mesi SG was always ignored; Prolly because he was a northern Englishman & Scouser and not from da da 👁️ candidates...👊

salah can win the title 7 more times but cr7 will still have a better legacy.