With thanks to Paul Machin of The Redmen TV and Big Steve

This is the most realistic one so far. Yes they disagree but they're going off passion and respect instead of talking about stupidity

As a Liverpool fan ,Them agreeing on how disappointing man u look ,just made my day😂😂

I'm a Liverpool fan, and I would say Pep gets a lot of stick for managing big clubs. Managing big clubs aint easy. We have seen managers failing at big clubs. Pep has objectively proved that he's a genius man manager and a tactical powerhouse. He's surely one of the best ever. And for Jurgen Klopp he's just my all time favourite manager ever. The sheer passion he exudes on the pitch is just incomparable. Love the man to bits. Can't really compare the two. We're lucky to see them both compete against each other.

1:16 ''1 title in 30 years'' obviously he means Liverpool as a whole but they way he says it implies that Klopp has managed LFC for all this time. So to be factual, 1 title in 5 years.

This was great. Especially the bit at the end. Both of them letting United fans have it. Hilarious that.

This part about City being so many points ahead really did age well

'The current state of Manchester United is hilarious' I think the entire premier league can agree on that.

As soon as someone mentions trophies when comparing players, they've completely admitted defeat and are just clutching at straws

Trying to play down how good Virgil is just makes you look stupid tbh. Sometimes you just have to drop the pride and say that player is class.

"Who called him the best centre-half on the planet.. Klopp?" Kompany did 😅 Also said VvD is the most complete defender in PL history.

One of the best agree to disagree episode ever. they really agree to disagree. they are both so happy for each other. wonderful to watch. no hate no stupidity.

Two genuine football fans that can actually have a grown up conversation

Pep goes to rich clubs, klopp doesn't.. What klopps achieved is nothin short of brilliant. End of argument

If you want to make 'pound for pound' literal.... then Klopp has spent only £200k per point won in the PL - Pep has spent £650K per point won - and that's on top of the league winning side he inherited. Klopp is clearly the better manager for every single club who isn't backed by a country

Paul Machin is class. He makes a good argument instead of being a blinded fan.

Thank god we have Paul as the face of redmen tv. He’s so eloquently spoken and has great points. Makes it very hard to argue with.

"The season you won the league, you spent more money than anyone has in one window." Liverpool won the league in 2019/20 and spent £10m in the window on Minamino, Elliot, Adrian and Van Der Berg. Man City has spent £100-200m almost every window... what on earth is he on about?

Let's be real... every fan would like to have a manager like Klopp. Rival fans may not like him because he manages a another team but if he was at your club, you would love him. Every last one of you.

As an Evertonian, I have to agree with the Red about Klopp being a better manager. I've always said give Pep a club that needs building and let's see how good he is.

Great video this! Lovely to see different opinions. It’s our time soon

Scoring a 40 yard volley makes you a better defender apparently

united fan watching: sipping tea smiling until that last question: almost choked n cry 😂😂

The city lad at one point said Klopp can only win with big money as well. He should inform himself on the situation Dortmund were in when Klopp came. They were almost bankcrupt and nowwhere near competing for international football not even speaking about trophies. Then he won the league twice over Bayern with a team of nobodies and youth products and even led them to the Champions League final. He won titles without loads of money, that's a fact.

Need more of this agree to disagree football videos 🔥🔥

Liverpool back 4 - TAA, Matip, VVD, Robertson = £83m Man City back 4 - Stones, Diaz, Laporte, Cancelo = £228m

What is Big Steve saying? The year Liverpool won the league was 19/20, they spent 10m on Minamino and Van den Berg. Unless he is including the season before which was Fabinho, Alisson and Keita which totalled 180m. Man City have spent 300m in one season. So not sure what he is on about there.

“Those Mickey Mouse cups over seas” if City ever win the CL I bet the world club cup will no longer be a Mickey Mouse cup overseas. Good watch though, enjoyed both of them

I loved the Man City guys explanation of agueros moment

never thought I'd see the day when we finally discovered a city fan

Klopp took a financially struggling Mainz into the top division for the first time in their history. He then took over Dortmund despite being a second division manager and ended Bayern's dominance and won two in a row, and reached the Champions League final. That's the part a lot of people don't know, everyone knows what he has done at Liverpool. (Edit): Klopp stayed at Mainz for three seasons after getting them promoted, tipped for relegation every season. Still struggling financially, Mainz finished mid table the first two seasons, and eventually went down the third.

It's almost impossible to compare Klopp and Pep. Pep is after perfection. He's mostly interested in achieving his ideal football, so he's not gonna settle for lesser players. Klopp also wants to win but he seems more interested in development and unity. Pep definitely has the ability to coach small budget teams but his ambition and temperament will never let him.

“We’ll see” is the best quote in this video. Aged to absolute perfection😭

Hold the phone, did that man City fan just say when Liverpool won the league he spent the most money in a window ever???? Why has he not been called out on this blatant lie

I absolutely love all the slight digs at the Invincibles. 70 draws, invincible with 40 points… love it.

one of the best debates up there❤️ city fan here enjoyed every bit and specially the ending lmaoooo

As a united fan For me klopp is clear of pep no debate both are absolute quality but the money pep has had in comparison to klopp is crazy.. bad time being a united fan aye🤦‍♀️

this is a level headed discussion. i just healed from ty being horrendous the last time this series came on

3:34 “the season you won the league you spent more than anyone else in one window”, I think you’ll find in the 19/20 season we bought two players in both summer and January. Those two players being sepp van den berg for around 2 mil, and minamino for 7 ish mil. Talking out his arse. We’ve actually spent hardly anything compared to other top 6 clubs in the past few years.

Big respect to this City fan! Not a glory hunter like a large majority Great debate between two level headed fans

Everyone knows Klopp spent money. Liverpool are not a poor club at all, but "compared to Pep" is the question. How does it keep evading people's heads? "oh hurr durr Klopp too spent money"... Yeah, that's the point. Who spent more?

As a city fan, this is the most logical Liverpool fan I've ever seen... Secondly, Kompany is a legend but Van Dijk is a far better player than him

City fan was devoid of objectivity. Liverpool fan actually thought about the questions a bit and wasn't such an absolutist. Also that UCL final vs City vs QPR? Liverpool were in Istanbul and came back from 3-0 down at half time in a UCL final against a Milan team consisting of Kaka, Maldini, Shevchenko, Cafu, Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta, etc coached by Ancelotti. That's an incredible moment. Man City were playing at home against a QPR team fighting relegation and nearly bottled it... Only managing to snatch the win at the very last.

oh my god man the moment when city fan explains aguero's premier league winning goal, i almos cry i swear and im not even a city fan, i felt that bro

Pep’s had a silver spoon in his mouth his whole managerial career mate😂 Klopp took a £30 million Egyptian right winger and made him better then £300 million of city attackers combined

nice to see there are actually some nondelusional liverpool fans, really liked this guy

All fans could join in and laugh from 18:28 onwards 🤣🤣

Guardiola is a tactial genius, amazing football mind, but he could never have done what Klopp has done. Guardiola is about the football, Klopp is about people. If Guardiola has the tools, he can do wonders. If he doesn't have them, he can't. Klopp can. Man City wins because every player executes their role perfectly. The right players, doing the right things. You need to be at the right club for that. Liverpool wins because they want it more. They want it more, because of Klopp. You can't beat City because their style of play is unmatched. You can't beat Liverpool because the players will do EVERYTHING in their power, from start to finish, to win. Liverpool isn't the best team, but they can beat the best team. That's why Klopp is better imo. Mentality monsters. Still amazing managers, different managers.

Mickey Mouse trophies when city fans go wild over the Carbabo cup and community shield 😂😂😂😂

When Liverpool won the league Liverpool only bought Harvey Elliott in the summer window of the 19-20 season and Taki Minamino in the January transfer window, so the spending big money notion doesn't stand up. Van Dijk and Alisson was bought in the transfer windows of January 18 and June 18 respectively!

The best one so far. Both sensible and reasonable

11:07 One counter argument i wished Paul made regarding City's Centurion team was how weak the Prem was that season. The best team after them was United with 81 points, unconvincingly won their UCL group vs Basel, Cska Moscow and a super terrible Benfica side that lost all 6 games by 1:14 goals. In the Round of 16, they then continued to play bad and got knocked out vs Sevilla, a bang average Sevilla side at that. Sevilla barely qualified for the RO16 previously in a group with Liverpool, Spartak Moscow and Maribor, with just 9 points and a +0 GD while Liverpool got 12 Points and +17 GD, Sevilla finished 7th. A Liverpool side that was still not world class as LFC still had Lovren and Karius at the back and no Fabinho, VVD joined in the middle of the season and LFC barely finished 4th and ofc lost the CL Final vs RM because they weren't truly world class yet and the weak defence cost us. Tottenham who finished 3rd also got knocked out in the UCL RO16 vs Juve. You could very well argue that in that Season, there was no World Class team besides Man City. Man United definitely not, even though they finished 2nd, their UCL Performance was too crap and they didn't do anything special in the smaller domestic cups, maybe LFC because of our UCL Final run but other than that, we weren't great, to get to the final we had a wild shoot out game vs As Roma, aggregate score was 7:6, it was fun but showed how massive LFC had to improve and in the domestic cups we only played 3 games as West brom and Leicester knocked us out.

this city fan was absolutely had by the LIverpool lad 😂😂😂😂

as a city fan i genuinely think steve is delusional the answers for the first 2 questions were jokes and he just has an aggressive personality in general and doesn’t try to listen.

this has been the best one. two blokes respecting opinions with no foolish opinions

"Klopp spent more than anyone every has in 1 window the year they won the league".... Erm 2017 City spent £223M in a single window. That year they went on to record 100+ points in the league. Thats the most any English team has ever spent...in a single window.

What do you mean who called Virgil the best CB on the planet? Um just the whole football community as he was voted the second best player in the world behind Messi 🤣

I love how Paul comes in with intelligent, coherent arguments. The City fan “Trophies init” . . . Broken record. Totally miss the point of the questions.

Paul completely destroyed this guy in a very respectful way.

the aguero goal/istanbul segment was so wholesome between the 2 as they understood each others opinions

"No one other than liverpool fans call VVD the best defender in the world" Excuse me what

Liverpool fan here. That last question was hilarious

I love how the Liverpool fan is being pretty logical and trying to keep emotion out of it while the city firm is purely emotional and not making much sense

Even as a Dortmund fan I believe Pep is better. Although it’s close and their stories are really different I believe Pep edges it because of his achievements with Barça between 2008 and 2012. That team is simply the best football team of all time and it’s not just the best team of all time because of the players. Before he arrived they didn’t win a title for 2 years when Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were already there. He was the one to implement the system that made them so strong. So he clearly played a crucial part in the making of the best team in the world. And in my opinion being the manager of the team that’s known to be the best team of all team while contributing a lot to its success beats any other achievement as a manager.

What's this city fan on about no one calling VVD the best CB itw??? It's been said countless times by players, managers and pundits. Kompany himself called VVD the best CB to grace the PL, so that's his argument out the window.

Most reasonable and realistic football episode in this series 🙌

Pep started at the very top, and did the very best that you could possibly do, winning a treble in his first season of management and completely revolutionizing the game.. This was unprecedented, after leaving he could literally choose to manage any club in world football that he wanted to, and yet he is disrespected by casual fans for choosing the very best clubs that would make him most comfortable. No manager's career has ever spanned out like Pep, he's only not won the league title in 2 seasons of his entire career as a manager. People act like these teams have a god given right to win titles. Since he left Barça & Bayern both have had many managerial changes despite consistent league success.

Big steve love you bro what a man. Aguero moment and istanbul deservely one of the best moments in the history of football

With the first question, its really hard to say being a liverpool supporter. I actually respect pep, and honestly with the resources he has, he got man city within the expectations they should be in. Not many managers can do it in the way he has done it, and people that have done it have ride the success from the previous managers. The only criticism from pep is the cl. Klopp for me I personally love the guy, mans an honest hardworking person that makes any player that does come in better than they really should be. There were a few hairy signings from him that didn't work out (karius) but for the most part he does elevate their levels. He also makes me proud of the club with the progression and constant improvement from the team. He adapted his tactics later on to make us more defensively sound and takes the best qualities from our team to win. I dont wanna jinx it, but I really think this team will win alot this season, and its gonna be cause of diaz inclusion. Despite that, pep will be known to be the better manager than klopp sadly. Objectively speaking, he has done more with the bigger names and his legacy as both a player and manager is set. Me personally, I love klopp and cause of the character he has shown, I think for me anyways he's better than pep.

Jürgen Klopp goes to an Europa league side and wins the UCL, Pep goes to an UCL top 4 side and still can't win it. He also has a lot of money to spend while Jürgen had limited resources...

Kompany was the glue that held that team together even when he was injured he was like their dad making sure everyone was on time training properly the players said how influential he was and how much he contributed to our success and I dont see that in VVD

Lifelong Liverpool fan here, lived in Ancoats when that QPR game happened. Had my door open for that game, I could feel the ROAR from the Etihad when that Aguero goal went in. Still gives me chills - beat feeling other than Liverpool winning titles etc x

The season Liverpool won the league we signed MInamino, Elliot and Van Den Berg

The season we won the league the only player we bought was Takumi Minamino. So in fact it the complete opposite of what he said we won the league with the LEAST amount spent in one window. Adding another reason on why Klopp is a better manager than Pep

Watching this a year later 😂 post-treble and Liverpool playing in the Europa League

It's great to have somewhat reasonable fans having a good debate. The point made were great both ways. But to end on united being shite. Glorious! I laughed as hard as these guys

This isn’t gonna stop but love listen to the two accents always clash🤣🤣

I love this debate it was so great! I can see the points in both arguments but i feel Mach made a better argument. I’ll give Big Steve the glory that Man city deserves nowadays because they were so bad for so many years until the big money came. And then great players and managers came. But I’d say Mach is mostly right on Juergen Klopp, and who were the better players.

2:15 That is a really tough, ballsy, and ultimately correct decision that few other managers would have made. Don’t know why he’s acting like it wasn’t...

I agree with Paul. Pep had the best football team ever in Barcelona, thanks to the footballing ability of the players. He took over Bayern Munich when they were German & European champions & couldn’t win CL. He’s never managed a struggling team.

The Liverpool fans on this always win the arguement.

Could Klopp have gone to to best clubs with infinite money and win everything, yes. Could Pep have taken over 3 clubs in need of a rebuild with not much money and turn them into European giants? Absolutely not

Pep has won THREE consecutive titles with Barca, Bayern, and Man City EACH over a span of 14 years. (Total 11 Titles) Klopp has won 2 titles with Dortmund, 1 with Liverpool in the same time. (total 3 Titles) Head-head, Pep has beaten Klopp in 5 Title races for City and 2 Title races for Bayern, while Klopp's Liverpool won the title once against Pep in the 2019-20 season How can anyone say that Klopp is better....is beyond me.

Saying Vincent kompany isn’t as important as Aguero is like saying VVD isn’t as important as Salah. What an absolutely abysmal argument lol

Klopp is better, if he too had the backing like guardiola has in city, even he would have built a similar kind of dominating team

An Andy Robertson for an unthinkable 8 Million from stark unknown... a Chelsea & Mourinho reject in Mohammed Salah ... an absolute under rated nobody in Henderson & Trent ... N the list just goes on & on... The man jus keeps building miracles at the background with absolutely no peas to spend at all... It's not just LFC, it's the English game that is so lucky to see and have him 💯 🌎 🙏 ...

6:44 truer words have never been spoken 🤣🤣

Lol absolutely fucking love these guys. They respected each other throughout the session.

Coming from a Manchester United fan, just appreciate them both.

Paul, a true representative of LFC! The City lad was decent too

Man that Istanbul match is the best match ever this match shouldn't be an other opinions this match it's the definition of football

Great to have two guys who don't just answer with ego

Finally a city long time fan with knowledge of football. Loved it.

Can someone inform that City fan that he's wrong by saying Liverpool spent more in any transfer window the window before they won the League. After Liverpool won the Champions League the only player we signed was Van Den Berg. Big lad is wrong, and great work Paul as always ⚽️🙌

Both so level headed , been a City guy since 93 coz of my dad , but I love this Liverpool guy , just a mature debate , both opinions yeah but oh well, men chat kids shout , well done lads , good chatter

I am a passionate red supporter. There is much we can't know. These are two great managers, two of the greatest. What we don't know about Pep is if can he build a team out of a failing club? Can he build a team without unlimited funding? We know Klopp can. Maybe Pep can, but we just don't know.

The Man City fan saying that Man Utd is Disneyland is spot on. Been saying the exact same thing about the Glazer ownership and the current state of our club for years. Absolutely shameful to be a United fan atm.

The Liverpool fan was too generous the city fan is a biased af

Big Steve wow wow🙏🙏🙏🙏👋he touched that Scouser ...very composed and precise and not emotional in the debate..love it

Abroad cups ??? Plastic cups?? You haven't even won a europa cup or conference And lost to Chelsea in the final of the CL What is Steve on about