I agree with the general comment. This being said, the anger, the frustration after what is felt as an injustice is necessary. It has to come out. If not, it will poison your existence. Tuomas used the only means of expression he has : poetry and music. And, at doing that, it is extremely efficient.

Thanks you so much for this original perspective. In fact, I did not reacted to ReVamp, but I listened everything that Floor made before NW. It was fascinating.

I will. Already on my calendar!

Good reference! Jacob’s ghost refers to the greedy husband of Tarja (the girl in white like Tarja in the last Nishtwish consert), he is the gambler, who lost all he does not have.

Elias : this is my understanding as well. Ghost = gambler.

@@GuylainPrince I don't know if that makes sense to me. Jacob Marley was a greedy man who only cares about his business that died. As a ghost, tried to warn/help his old friend and business partner Ebenezer so that Ebenezer wouldn't end up like Jacob. Ebenezer changes and becomes a better person. Jacob can be Marcelo because they were both greedy (at least in tuomas eyes) and the similarities stop there (he did not try to stop Tarja from becoming like him, instead he made her more greedy according to tuomas). Also it's worth nothing that Jacob the human (alive) was greedy but Jacob the ghost (dead) was trying to help the greedy Ebenezer to change. But I did not understand why putting a blindfold on a blind person makes it worse. It has no effect. They are already blind. Can you explain why you think it makes it worse in the song? The way I saw it was that Jacob's ghost is tuomas. Jacob's ghost was trying to make a greedy person change their ways. Tuomas was trying to warn/help his friend and business partner Tarja. But trying to help her had no effect. It was the same thing as putting a blindfold on a blind person - it does nothing! They're already blind! The gambler sounds like Marcelo though. "Are you so blind you don't see what he's doing to you?" Gambler's are greedy (like tuomas thinks Marcelo is. Look at master passion greed.) And he lost what he did not have (trying to dictate the business side of Nightwish and losing it all) I'm just not sure Jacobs Ghost is also Marcelo. Is there a reason you think Jacob and gambler have to be the same person?

@@tes33720 i thought that maybe the gambler IS Tuomas, that lost what he never have (tarja, for me the subject of the Song of the past Like beauty of the beast, ghost love score ecc (infact before told have you read what i wrote you, and what we played))

That is how I understand them as well. Nicely presently and informative. Peace to you!

Oh? No, my edition of the CD is "Meadows of Heaven". No bonus tracks.

All of this makes sense to me.

Most welcome, dear friend!

Most welcome!

Ha ha ha ! Well, it has been long for me too! Peace to you.

Great info. Thanks !

Thanks Doug. Excellent input!

Excellent! Yup, music has this power!

Well. I am back, yes. Regularly!

Thanks Jacob! Peace to you!

Thanks Doug. My honour and pleasure!

that is a good reason! :-) See you soon!

Me too!

I wish I had know that earlier this year. After a LOT of videos on NW, I had only a small hello from Kai. Happily, the fans were there and made it fascinating. As for Tuomas, yes I was informed about the "Canadian monk" who made a video about "song with a religious topic". I wonder if he knows that I made complete series on Human. :||: Nature and now DPP. And that I commented on more than 25 other of their songs. I don't think he is. And right now, they are on tour... too busy for that! Anyways, thanks!

@@GuylainPrince If I remember correctly, it sounded as if he knew more than one video of you. If I find the interview where he said this, I will send you a link. Yes, Nightwish are currently playing a festival tour in Europe and have 3 concerts to play yet in the next 2 weeks. Then they have a break until mid October until their own tour begins. I think with a little bit luck there could be a little bit time.

@@GuylainPrince that is not true, he knows you made analysis of most songs. He said "a Canadian monk, which goes through our entire production. He spends at least half an hour analyzing each song, says Holopainen." So he knows! He just said he was especially interested on your thoughts on a song about religion due to who you are.

I did not realized that before I read you. Thanks for this delicate attention!

Gracias por estar ahí. No entiendo por qué hay un bloqueo en su país. En cualquier caso, no es de mi parte.

My favourite album too!

I concur. Please do Escapist which was added as a bonus track to Dark Passion Play. It's a great song with beautiful melodies and lyrics.

I believe he does,nine songs will follow,three already Quelain reacted before and one today we have already thirteen songs. The album has thirteen songs,let me guess? Why your lips are still red or escapist will replace the Last of the wilds which is instrumental only. But the bonus track of the album is the escapist, so we have some luck. I love escapist as well,i never understood why was a bonus track this amazing song.

@@stasa-X There is a lyric version of The Last Of The Wilds sung by Jonsu. This one has Finnish lyrics and English subs: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKddi6yJ3pvap2g.html

The Escapist is not on the CD that I own. I will try to find it!

@@GuylainPrince The escapist was a bonus track to Japan version only, unfortunately i haven't too. Maybe in the next edition of DPP put it there as bonus. But it's easy to find it and i have some pretty good live with Anette to this song which has so many fans.

Thanks Bill! Very nice input. Much appreciated!

De rien! Avec plaisir !

Most welcome!

I have seen 2 songs of it. I will take more time one day. Be sure of that!

Yup! More than two months!

Most welcome! I enjoy doing that a few hours / week. It keeps me sane! :-)

Thanks!

Hé hé hé ! Contente de te revoir active. Hé oui, hier, j'ai enregistré ma deuxième vidéo de cette série. Ça va très bien et, comme toujours, c'est étonnant!

Ha ha ha ! I miss you guys, even our endless discussions... ! Very happy to be back.

@@GuylainPrince hihi, i too.🤘

As a friend... I like that! And I think that you might be right on this one!

Thanks, Greek lady! Your knowledge of those years is phenomenal. You bring something precious on this channel.

"he warned her" exactly. That's why I think Jacob's ghost is tuomas warning Tarja. But she was already blind, so it was similar to putting a blindfold on a blind person - useless.

Correct,he had warned her but she was already blind.

@@stasa-X people seem to think Jacob=gambler though which wouldn't fit. So i feel like maybe I'm wrong. Guylain says Jacob is greedy so it makes sense it's Marcelo plus he thinks gambler and Jacob is the same person. But i don't see why the putting blindfold on a blind person makes sense. And Jacob was greedy when alive, but as a ghost ("jacob's ghost") tried to help a greedy person to change (Tarja) but in the song he failed cus she was already blind.

I always enjoy reading comments and seeing different people's opinions on Tarja's dismissal. I really hope that one day Tuomas and Tarja will open their cards and we will know truth. Tarja's accusations of greed are most illogical to me personally. We know that successful bands make money from touring after release of a new studio album. Tarja wanted to cancel show so she would make less money and Tuomas wanted to make more show, meaning he wanted to make more money. It turns out that Tuomas is more greedy. Isn't he?

I have not read yous, specifically... did I reacted? I don't think so. But somebody informed me as well. Maybe, one day, I'll be able to talk to Tuomas.

@@GuylainPrince That would be very interesting conversation, I'm certain. I wish that would happen some day, and I'd love to listen to it! ✨

Helle Graham. Yup! Same program as last year and very good fall semester ahead of us!

@@GuylainPrince Looking forward to it. Rugby season starts in September, so I'll probably miss some when we have Friday night matches (e.g. 2nd and 9th Sept I'll be out, unfortunately).

Yes ! Welcome back!

I prefer the vehicle of "allusion" to the personal situation of the band members. Knowing that everyone is able to make those connections. This being said, I think that you got it right. I agree with your reading.

I agree. For "Jacob's Ghost", apparently, you have to look toward a Christmas tale : Jacob's Ghost is someone who has been very greedy, and because of that, he is still a ghost (does not go to heaven). He regrets it and try to "suggest" to Scrooge to behave differently. So take this for Jacob's Ghost : real / not real, trying to influence reality, has a greedy dynamic, ... etc.

The New Album from the Warning? I will. I did not see that! Was away for the month of July !

@@GuylainPrince It's including the songs of the MAYDAY EP, but there are 7 new ones and an intro. For all songs there are great Lyric-Videos. For the title song ERROR they made a Music-Video, but this might be blocked, so you should put a kind of layer over it. I don't think that it's a spoiler to say that the lyrics of the new songs are outstanding (again). For me Pau is the greatest songwriter of our times. After finishing the recording the album ERROR, they wanted one more song so... The bonustrack BREATHE is completly Paus work. She composed, performed, mixed and recorded this on her own. She played it at home on the familypiano which is always out of tune.😊

@@Youknowwho1964 Although Nightwish is my favourite band, I really enjoyed Error, Great lyrics and good mixture of songs, And see they support Halestorm with Lzzy in September.

I have already said that I will say it again : The Warning and the Japanese all-female BAND-MAID are the best hard rock bands in the world at the moment... By far!!!

Nope! J'avais ce projet de faire Dark Passion Play, un album que j'aime, depuis 1 an et demi! J'attendais juste l'occasion.

@@GuylainPrince Roh la la je vous adore 😍 je suis un très grand fan de tarja mais les albums sous annette sont une véritable réussite je continue de regarder et ce même si ce n’est plus en français pour ma part 😍

I understand. I agree, as you will see : great song. Harsh sentiments.

And greed. Something that will still be important in the next albums.

@@GuylainPrince greed was important in imaginaerium/efmb/human nature?

Yup! And Jacob's Ghost was a very "greedy man". :-)

@@GuylainPrince he was when he was alive. But as a ghost he tried to help his greedy friend and business partner to change, so that he wouldn't become like Jacob. Adrians comment says Jacob tried to get scrooge to amend his ways. Did Marcelo do that? Did he try to make Tarja less greedy? I don't think so, tuomas thinks he made her more greedy so that doesn't make sense to me. Tuomas tried to warn/change Tarja but she was already blind? I don't understand how putting blindfold on a blind person makes it worse. But if instead the lyrics are saying "trying to warn her when she is already blind is useless. Similar to putting blindfold on a blind person - does nothing" it makes a little sense to me?

@@tes33720 Tarja’s reply to the open letter states that she doesn’t see herself as the person described in the letter: she is therefore admitting to being blind. Tuomas is implying any influence that Marcello had was akin to being a blindfold for a blind person. Similarly the open letter states things have gone beyond a point of return for the band and that Tarja’s immediate departure is the only possible course of action. Tarja is almost literally ghosted. Any intercession now for her to change her ways would be like Marley visiting Scrooge after his death. The fact that they were obsessed with money adds a bit more spice to the analogy. Hopefully that clarifies my understanding of the lyrics.

@@adriannicholson3365 No, that doesn't help me, sadly. My main issue is if Jacob and the Gambler are the same person. Your comments suggest you belive "jacobs ghost"=tuomas and "gambler"=marcelo (Jacob is Tuomas trying to change tarja but it was too late). But then you flipflop and say marcelo had no influence (implying jacob=marcelo). Feels contradictory. Guylain is saying jacob and gambler is the same person (marcelo) which doesn't make sense to me. Like you said yourself, Jacob's Ghost tried to help Scrooge change so that Scrooge doesn't end up like him(jacob). If Jacobs Ghost = marcelo, then you are saing that Marcelo tried to help/warn her, that doesn't make sense. However, tuomas/the band DID try to warn her and they didn't like marcelo. "tuomas is implying marcelo had as much influence as blindfold on a blind person" that's just not true, though. This sentence means that marcelo had no effect on tarja, that marcelo did not change tarja. This is not what tuomas believes. Tuomas and the band blamed marcelo. That's very important. This quote is From the open letter: "Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn't think or act the way she used to. " they are literally blaming Marcelo for changing her. Tarja's reply suggests she's blind (after being fired) but it doesn't say she was blind before marcelo. In fact, it is well-known that tuomas blames marcelo for changing tarja. For "making her blind", if you will. It's even in the open letter. So yes, when she posted the reply she was blind, but it's because of marcelo. I see it this way: Marcelo walks into tarja's life. Changes her, "makes her blind/greedy". Tuomas/the band tries to warn her/change her (Jacob's Ghost trying to help/warn Scrooge) but it's too late, she is already blind. So it's like putting a blindfold on a blind person: useless. (Blindfold for the blind) so: Jacob's ghost (A person trying to help/change another) for the girl in white (the person he's trying to help is a girl in white. Maybe she's in white because she's already dead) Blindfold for the blind (Jacob trying to help the girl in white is like putting a blindfold on a blind person - it has no effect. He can not help her, it is too late) You said: "Jacob Marley’s ghost urges Scrooge to amend his ways before it is too late" If jacobs ghost = marcelo, then you are saying that Marcelo the one trying to help tarja before it's too late, but ultimately lost. But Marcelo didn't do that, instead tuomas blames marcelo for changing tarja. And Marcelo didn't "lose" (it being too late), tuomas/the band are the ones who lost (tarja) because it was too late.

Tarja is famous as the ex singer of NW. She never sing in full arenas like NW and she never sells so many albums like them. Her fans are mostly from NW especially from her era, NW continue to collect fans, so the meaning of the song has some right. Maybe Marcelo had many ambitions about Tarja and her solo career back then. In my beliefs Tuomas's ego needed mostly Tarja's return but without Marcelo so i can understand how deeply in love was with her, the long road maybe means many difficulties in her personal life also.

Maybe the "long road, but we'll be waiting" means just that they are waiting to see what is going to happen in future. I think a reunion with Tarja was already seen as not possible.

Someone suggested that it might be : "as a friend". They were friends since childhood. I like to think there is some truth in that.

They were friends from school and Tuomas's mother was pianist and Tarja's teacher. Tuomas wanted to stay at least friends with her but Marcelo wanted to take Tarja away from the band, maybe from jealous and as he wrote in the open letter they weren't friends because friends can talk. Now they talk at least with emails and probably their friendship is in better condition than years before. About reunion?I can't see something near but life is strange and has many turns, so maybe in the future we will see something in orizon,i hope!!!!

En effet! Au plan énergie. Je pense que sa contribution générale à cet album était un sommet. Il n'était pas que musicien et chanteur.

Yup! Good, very good blend!

Anf I think that the Jacob's Ghost and the Gambler are the same!

Hint : loved it!

I practically agree with everything ! Thanks!

There are four in the line. I just have to decide ! ;-)

We all go through crisis in our life, things that we are not proud of. Being judged today for the mistakes we did, sometimes a long time ago, is not only unfair; it misses that we might have find a bit of wisdom in meditating our mistakes... We might have grown BECAUSE we learnt from our mistakes.

They playd this song only Dark Passion Play tour. they didn't stop playing this song because Floor. Tuomas said in an interview that they don't need to play it anymore.

Nice analysis! I agree!

This particular song does not have another singer for studio or live recording. Don't forget : I cover and analyse the WORDS and live versions that might be with someone else.

@@GuylainPrince no offence intended. I just don't like the singer. You on the other hand is AWESOME and thank you for what you do. GREAT REACTIONS. Peace

Well, since I love the studio work (I did that job for 10 years), I like listening to a creation in studio. It cannot be the same as a live performance, but it has its merits : "This is exactly how Tuomas figured that song".

@@GuylainPrince And yet he has said that he would never want anyone else to perform it after Floor.

I agree that nobody conveys Tuomas's emotions like Floor. But the studio version does have some interesting aspects. As always, you can hear the amazing orchestral parts much clearer as in the live version. You can also hear the pendulum striking the poet much clearer, especially with headphones on. This always sends cold shivers down my spine. And I'm not talking about that pleasent goosebumps I get with other Nightwish songs. The sound of the pendulum in the studio version makes me feel the cold breath of Death behind me. Even though I prefer the live version with Floor, why not listen to both, as Guylain did.